ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?
SunsetLament: Agarista: The executive branch executes the laws that have been passed.By changing the way in which the law is executed, the law is not being changed. Just the timetable.You're right - the law is not being changed ... it's being ignored.The law says you have to have insurance for 9 months in a year or you have to pay the Obamacare penalty tax. Obama just unilaterally changed that to 7.5 months for 2014. That's not regulating the law; that's ignoring the law and behaving as if it says something else. It's what dictators and kings do.
Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!
Cheater71: I can't wait for a decade from now when tea party people start showing up to protest with signs reading:Keep your government hands out of my aca!
koinbahd: demaL-demaL-yeH: vatica40: A lot of the plans, including mine, were fine and offered coverage that was right for me. Now I have to pay hundreds more to meet the 'minimum', which shock and surprise, isn't that much better.Is this before or after taking this stuff into account?/Too many talking hairdos/radio ranters pulling this nonsense for me not to ask.My old plan was $172/mo with a $500 deductible and max outta pocket of $2500. 80/20 copay, $40 office visits and free generic drugs. Perfect for a 30 year old male with no kids.Got my notice in the mail that my coverage was being cancelled.Compareable plans on the marketplace by deductible/outta pocket are $266-$320Compareable plans by premium between $150-$190 carry an avg deductible of $5000 with max out of pocket of $6350According to the link above I'm not eligible for a subsidy. My employer offers health insurance but they don't pay for it, and when I got hired here their plan was group policy with a high deductible so I kept my plan. (And even if they didn't offer insurance I make just enough to not qualify for the subsidy)
Tricky Chicken: BrotherThaddeus: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So you're ok with one chamber of Congress trying to force changes to legislation that was legally passed by both chambers, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court? And did they try to change it by passing laws? Yes, 40+ times and they failed to get those through both chambers of Congress. So instead they went with we will ruin the dollar as the world reserve currency and possibly tank the global economy if we don't get our way and fundamentally shift the balance of governmental power. And the delay that they wanted was a full 1 year delay in the mandate, what we have instead is an extension of the time period to enroll, same start date, and a a later ending. However, even if the President had decided to repeal the ACA after the shut down was over he would have taken the right path, to do otherwise would have left the Senate and Presidency significantly weakened next to the House of Reps.Yes, I'm perfectly fine with one chamber using the only tool at its disposal to try to get change to current law. If the other side arbitrarily decides that THIS time budget negotiations are not negotiable, then they had no other course. It isn't terrorism to force a reluctant side to the table.It is hilarious that the obstinate party has to later turn tail and do what the other side asked for earlier.
Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down. They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA. Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.It wentRepeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"Other derp followed by derp terrorism claimsComplete republican surrender.Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!
Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down. They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA. Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.
topcon: In this thread, 24 year old OWS Gen-Yers who have never had a job or employer offered medical plan tell you how you're stupid.
skullkrusher: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fart_Machine: So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out. What exactly is the problem here?People too stupid to realize that they are being ripped off are pissed that the government is forcing insurance companies from ripping them off."If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said. "This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."He left out the "unless we think you're too stupid part"
fusillade762: I predict this thread will be a calm and rational discussion.
Kittypie070: Well I see a fresh set of talking points has been uploaded to the dittoheads.They're soooo ruggedly individualistic, you know.
StopLurkListen: ArmednHammered: Tell that to the 500,000 people in California that just lost their insurance.Before I go all "you're a moron" I have to do due diligence and look up any news relating to "California", "lost", and "insurance".And here we go:Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes"The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1.[...]By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify."You're a moron.
demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?liteThrowing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?
DemonEater: The RIchest Man in Babylon: Good, if the signup is causing people problems, extend the deadline the length of time the signup was broken. I bet the Republicans will be thrilled with this news. Right guys? Right?Makes sense to me. Moving on, next issue folks.
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