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2013-10-29 08:44:22 AM
Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!
 
2013-10-29 08:49:06 AM
More delays, and now millions of people are going to lose coverage that Obama said they could keep. Even if the law itself is well-intentioned, even fans of it need to acknowledge what a shiat show the messaging and rollout has been.

/Maybe one day we'll grow up and adopt single payer.
 
2013-10-29 08:52:30 AM

SunsetLament: Phil McKraken:

Obamacare bad!

Representative democracies aren't run that way. Neither are constitutional republics.

Are they run by bribery?  Because that's how this piece of shiat legislation got through Congress.


I think that might be a legitimate criticism. It's too bad an alternative wasn't offered. I like the French style single payer system because it's cheap and effective.
 
2013-10-29 09:01:02 AM

SunsetLament: Jorn the Younger: You have failed to provide data to support your assertion: "It is in the best interest of everyone involved that the individual mandate be delayed for at least a year"

Care to try again?

Sure.  I'll present a lengthy dissertation.  But first, I would like to see your data supporting the assertion that it is not in the best interest of everyone involved that the individual mandate be delayed for at least a year.


No, that's not how things work.  You made an assertion, you have to support it.

I have made no such assertion.  I have made no assertions at all.  You made an assertion, I challenged yuo to prove it, you failed.  You can try again to provide evidence, or admit it's something you made up to support the position you decided you wanted to take.
 
2013-10-29 09:02:53 AM

skullkrusher: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fart_Machine: So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out.  What exactly is the problem here?

People too stupid to realize that they are being ripped off are pissed that the government is forcing insurance companies from ripping them off.

"If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said. "This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."

He left out the "unless we think you're too stupid part"


Obama lied and people...

got better access to healthcare?

Yeah. Go with that.
 
2013-10-29 09:03:25 AM

Karma Chameleon: More delays, and now millions of people are going to lose coverage that Obama said they could keep. Even if the law itself is well-intentioned, even fans of it need to acknowledge what a shiat show the messaging and rollout has been.

/Maybe one day we'll grow up and adopt single payer.


That chicken is waiting.

/you should also bring up how many people in Congress may have mentioned their Native American ancestry, I don't think that talking point is abused enough yet
 
2013-10-29 09:04:00 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


When a libertarian robot breaks down, does it fix itself?
 
2013-10-29 09:09:18 AM
So insurance companies don't get to sell worthless plans anymore, to healthy freeloaders who are using minimal plans as a form of going uninsured (or underinsured).
Freeloading's over. Tough titty.
Contrary to lying troll ITT, majority of populace approves.
Game over, righties lose.

Don't like your health plan? Go to college and get a better job, is what us "conservatives" say to that, right?
 
2013-10-29 09:09:47 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fart_Machine: So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out.  What exactly is the problem here?

People too stupid to realize that they are being ripped off are pissed that the government is forcing insurance companies from ripping them off.

"If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said. "This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."

He left out the "unless we think you're too stupid part"

Obama lied and people...

got better access to healthcare?

Yeah. Go with that.


Even when he lies he awesome!
 
2013-10-29 09:10:46 AM

Triple Oak: Karma Chameleon: More delays, and now millions of people are going to lose coverage that Obama said they could keep. Even if the law itself is well-intentioned, even fans of it need to acknowledge what a shiat show the messaging and rollout has been.

/Maybe one day we'll grow up and adopt single payer.

That chicken is waiting.

/you should also bring up how many people in Congress may have mentioned their Native American ancestry, I don't think that talking point is abused enough yet


Wow
 
2013-10-29 09:12:11 AM

skullkrusher: Mighty white of em


Wow
 
2013-10-29 09:12:23 AM

Karma Chameleon: More delays, and now millions of people are going to lose coverage that Obama said they could keep. Even if the law itself is well-intentioned, even fans of it need to acknowledge what a shiat show the messaging and rollout has been.

/Maybe one day we'll grow up and adopt single payer.


You're right, the messaging was flawed, though you have to admit at least part of the blame for the unclear messaging was due to the constant noise being generated by the opposition.

And yes, the roll-out has had some difficulties, like, I don't know, pretty much every government or private endevour in the entirety of history.  This is an endevour that is getting a great deal of media coverage, so of course the bumps in the road are receiving media coverage, but a lack of media coverage concerning the roll-outs of other programs doesn't mean those other programs were any more or less flawed;  It's really the response to this one that's different.  See the Bill Clinton quote someone posted upthread.

I am acknowledging the flaws.  I am not agreeing that those flaws are indicative of the program being bad, or bad for America, nor reasons for its repeal.  I am also not going to get down on the President for making predictions during his (first) campaign that turned out to be more than he was able to acheive.

President Obama did misspeak when he said "If you like your current coverage, you can keep it", but I don't think he expected so many people would "like" coverage that is so poor it fails to meet the new federal requirements.  He thought too highly of the American people, it would appear.  Hardly seems a sin worth vilify him for.
 
2013-10-29 09:13:34 AM
So let me see if I have this right. We pass a 2000 page bill that nobody reads prior to implementation. We then pick and choose who actually participates, realize there is not nearly enough time to implement the law and extend the time for some folks and exempt others. Then we fight like kindergarteners, shutting down the government and costing the taxpayers money because no one can get past their egos to discuss options. Now, we extend the law anyway? This is the best and brightest this country has to offer? What is worse is that people are acting like this is somehow fine behavior on either side.
 
2013-10-29 09:14:42 AM

jso2897: So insurance companies don't get to sell worthless plans anymore, to healthy freeloaders who are using minimal plans as a form of going uninsured (or underinsured).
Freeloading's over. Tough titty.
Contrary to lying troll ITT, majority of populace approves.
Game over, righties lose.

Don't like your health plan? Go to college and get a better job, is what us "conservatives" say to that, right?


Why would someone use "minimal plans" as a form of "going uninsured" when it is still ok to just not be uninsured?
 
2013-10-29 09:16:10 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow


Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere
 
2013-10-29 09:18:03 AM

skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere


Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.
 
2013-10-29 09:22:13 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.


Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense
 
2013-10-29 09:22:21 AM

RantingAlex: So let me see if I have this right. We pass a 2000 page bill that nobody reads prior to implementation. We then pick and choose who actually participates, realize there is not nearly enough time to implement the law and extend the time for some folks and exempt others. Then we fight like kindergarteners, shutting down the government and costing the taxpayers money because no one can get past their egos to discuss options. Now, we extend the law anyway? This is the best and brightest this country has to offer? What is worse is that people are acting like this is somehow fine behavior on either side.


No, you don't have that right.  The bill was read prior to implementation.  The bill was read prior to being voted on.  You're presumably referring to the imfamously taken out of context "We won't know what's in it till we read it" quote, which, since you have an active FARK account, you must know by now was a reference to a revised version of the bill that hadn't been read by anybody at the time of the quote because the revisions hadn't been finished.

And then we gave companies who already provide insurance to their employees some extra time to get their new ACA complient paperwork in order, since they already provide insurance to their employees so we're not as hard pressed about it since the flagship goal of the ACA is making insurance available to those who don't already have it.

And then the Republicans in Congress shut down the government because they wanted to get rid of the entire legislation but could not do so through legislative or judicial means (they didn't have the votes to repeal it and the Supremes found it Constitutional).

And while that was going on, there were some glitches with the roll-out, and people have experienced difficulties and delays signing up, and so now people are being given extra time to get signed up before being penalized for not being signed up because of those difficulties with the sign up process.
 
2013-10-29 09:27:47 AM

skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.

Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense


Actually you didn't actually to actually actually?
 
2013-10-29 09:29:01 AM

Triple Oak: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.

Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense

Actually you didn't actually to actually actually?


Was my clearly written English too much? Welcome to our fine country, good sir!
 
2013-10-29 09:29:59 AM

skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.

Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense


I literally don't get the "obvious joke". It also just dawned on me how little you ever bring to the discussion. There are plenty of other talking point bots that are actually entertaining. Enjoy annoying others.
 
2013-10-29 09:30:18 AM

Jorn the Younger: RantingAlex: So let me see if I have this right. We pass a 2000 page bill that nobody reads prior to implementation. We then pick and choose who actually participates, realize there is not nearly enough time to implement the law and extend the time for some folks and exempt others. Then we fight like kindergarteners, shutting down the government and costing the taxpayers money because no one can get past their egos to discuss options. Now, we extend the law anyway? This is the best and brightest this country has to offer? What is worse is that people are acting like this is somehow fine behavior on either side.

No, you don't have that right.  The bill was read prior to implementation.  The bill was read prior to being voted on.  You're presumably referring to the imfamously taken out of context "We won't know what's in it till we read it" quote, which, since you have an active FARK account, you must know by now was a reference to a revised version of the bill that hadn't been read by anybody at the time of the quote because the revisions hadn't been finished.

And then we gave companies who already provide insurance to their employees some extra time to get their new ACA complient paperwork in order, since they already provide insurance to their employees so we're not as hard pressed about it since the flagship goal of the ACA is making insurance available to those who don't already have it.

And then the Republicans in Congress shut down the government because they wanted to get rid of the entire legislation but could not do so through legislative or judicial means (they didn't have the votes to repeal it and the Supremes found it Constitutional).

And while that was going on, there were some glitches with the roll-out, and people have experienced difficulties and delays signing up, and so now people are being given extra time to get signed up before being penalized for not being signed up because of those difficulties with the sign up process.


I like the "either side" comment, it really brings home how infromed this six-day old account really is. BSABSVD
 
2013-10-29 09:31:45 AM
We were raping you with sh*tty insurance and now here are 2 other ACA-approved, non-raping policies you can choose from =/= losing your health insurance.
 
2013-10-29 09:32:17 AM

skullkrusher: Triple Oak: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.

Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense

Actually you didn't actually to actually actually?

Was my clearly written English too much? Welcome to our fine country, good sir!


Clearly you're a wonderful influence because I ended up doing the same thing. Great, now I'm getting dumber.

/I really really to really really, did I
 
2013-10-29 09:37:13 AM

coeyagi: We were raping you with sh*tty insurance and now here are 2 other ACA-approved, non-raping policies you can choose from =/= losing your health insurance.


they always ignore the subsidies/medicare expansion aspect of the law when they are talking about it too, these low wage and lower middle class families who are going to "lose their (scam) insurance" will qualify for them.
 
2013-10-29 09:39:58 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Mighty white of em

Wow

Don't pretend at being offense by my obvious joke. You do a fine
job at appearing less than bright when you're being sincere

Why not? You only posted it to provoke a reaction.

Someone should come up with a word for that.

Actually I didn't think anyone would be lame enough to actually have a reaction. Didn't know you were poking around trying to feign offense

I literally don't get the "obvious joke". It also just dawned on me how little you ever bring to the discussion. There are plenty of other talking point bots that are actually entertaining. Enjoy annoying others.


Oooh so I still get to call you out on the stupid shiat you say without having to roll my eyes at your weak ass defenses? Best of both worlds! Thanks for the ignore, bud. You keep engaging those entertaining talking point bots like randomjsa. Your reasoning behind your ignore choices isn't painfully apparent. Don't worry
 
2013-10-29 09:48:39 AM
In this thread, 24 year old OWS Gen-Yers who have never had a job or employer offered medical plan tell you how you're stupid.
 
2013-10-29 09:48:51 AM
here's a subsidy calculator to give people an idea of what people would actually end up paying for based on income and family size, if you are poor or lower middle class you might be surprised at how cheap your insurance will end up being...

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
 
2013-10-29 09:51:12 AM
They took my health care.
 
2013-10-29 09:58:19 AM

topcon: In this thread, 24 year old OWS Gen-Yers who have never had a job or employer offered medical plan tell you how you're stupid.


To be fair, doesn't everyone tell you that?
 
2013-10-29 10:09:18 AM

Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.


well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!
 
2013-10-29 10:11:14 AM

Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!


I don't understand what point you think you're making
 
2013-10-29 10:13:59 AM

CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!

I don't understand what point you think you're making


Of course you don't.
 
2013-10-29 10:14:19 AM

Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!


Quite a bit different. "Do x or we'll defund the government and refuse to raise the debt ceiling" is nothing at all like "We're doing x because we farked up and it isn't fair"
 
2013-10-29 10:15:40 AM

SunsetLament: Agarista: The executive branch executes the laws that have been passed.

By changing the way in which the law is executed, the law is not being changed.  Just the timetable.

You're right - the law is not being changed ... it's being ignored.

The law says you have to have insurance for 9 months in a year or you have to pay the Obamacare penalty tax.  Obama just unilaterally changed that to 7.5 months for 2014.  That's not regulating the law; that's ignoring the law and behaving as if it says something else.  It's what dictators and kings do.


Executive Order: You are considered to be insured on date X if you have paid your first month's premium and completed all your paperwork. It's not your fault the health insurance company couldn't turn around your order instantly like my car and home insurance company did.
 
2013-10-29 10:16:53 AM

Tricky Chicken: CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!

I don't understand what point you think you're making

Of course you don't.


I don't think you do either
 
2013-10-29 10:19:44 AM

CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!

I don't understand what point you think you're making

Of course you don't.

I don't think you do either


it is simple, Obama now owns the shutdown.
 
2013-10-29 10:20:31 AM

skullkrusher: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!

Quite a bit different. "Do x or we'll defund the government and refuse to raise the debt ceiling" is nothing at all like "We're doing x because we farked up and it isn't fair"


^^^

If you want to negotiate with me, treat me like a dignified human being. Come to me on even ground. Before you make an offer, ask yourself if you would accept the offer were you in my shoes. Don't stick a loaded gun to my head or strap a bomb to your chest. That's coercion...almost exactly like the government coercion free market-hardliners insist they detest.
 
2013-10-29 10:20:32 AM

Tricky Chicken: CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: CPennypacker: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!

I don't understand what point you think you're making

Of course you don't.

I don't think you do either

it is simple, Obama now owns the shutdown.


lol ok
 
2013-10-29 10:25:37 AM

Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down.  They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA.  Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

well, yeah this does now mean that the shutdown was all Obaba's fault.

It went
Repeal ACA-"no that's bomb strapped to yor chest terrirism!"
Defund ACA - "why are you holding a gun to murikca's head?"
Delay ACA -"you are murdering people!"
Delay the individual mandate- "that's bomber vest mall shooting crashing planes terrorism!"
Other derp followed by derp terrorism claims
Complete republican surrender.

Now The President delays the individual mandate. Which would have stopped the shutdown when first suggested! But when the president does it it isn't bomber vest terrorism.

It isn't terrorism when we do it amiright!


So you're ok with one chamber of Congress trying to force changes to legislation that was legally passed by both chambers, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court? And did they try to change it by passing laws? Yes, 40+ times and they failed to get those through both chambers of Congress. So instead they went with we will ruin the dollar as the world reserve currency and possibly tank the global economy if we don't get our way and fundamentally shift the balance of governmental power. And the delay that they wanted was a full 1 year delay in the mandate, what we have instead is an extension of the time period to enroll, same start date, and a a later ending. However, even if the President had decided to repeal the ACA after the shut down was over he would have taken the right path, to do otherwise would have left the Senate and Presidency significantly weakened next to the House of Reps.
 
2013-10-29 10:29:09 AM
IRONIC Tag still trying to log in to Healthcare.gov

/Yesterdays Technology -- Tomorrow!

www.zdnet.com
 
2013-10-29 10:30:34 AM
So the govt extended the sign up period.

This is nothing at all like what the tea party wanted. The tea party wanted the entire bill pushed back, they did not want to give people a longer time in which to sign up for healthcare. If they did, that would mean they supported the ACA, and that they were trying to help people get health insurance. The tea parry did not want that, they wanted all of ACA gone.
 
2013-10-29 10:43:24 AM

obamacaresucks.com

 
2013-10-29 10:43:40 AM
My goodness! The sock puppets are busy today...
 
2013-10-29 10:43:52 AM

physt: Agneska: ANRAgneska: This is what you get when you vote with your head up your ass. Failure of leadership.

[www.anunews.net image 574x315]


...did you just 'b-but Bush' Obamacare?
 
2013-10-29 10:45:13 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


Trisomy 21 Support Council, potato!
 
2013-10-29 10:47:41 AM
Whiny b*tches who are lying through their teeth.... we again ask... what is your alternative?

www.altergroup.com
 
2013-10-29 10:47:51 AM

BrotherThaddeus: Tricky Chicken: Bigdogdaddy: 

So you're ok with one chamber of Congress trying to force changes to legislation that was legally passed by both chambers, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court? And did they try to change it by passing laws? Yes, 40+ times and they failed to get those through both chambers of Congress. So instead they went with we will ruin the dollar as the world reserve currency and possibly tank the global economy if we don't get our way and fundamentally shift the balance of governmental power. And the delay that they wanted was a full 1 year delay in the mandate, what we have instead is an extension of the time period to enroll, same start date, and a a later ending. However, even if the President had decided to repeal the ACA after the shut down was over he would have taken the right path, to do otherwise would have left the Senate and Presidency significantly weakened next to the House of Reps.


Yes, I'm perfectly fine with one chamber using the only tool at its disposal to try to get change to current law. If the other side arbitrarily decides that THIS time budget negotiations are not negotiable, then they had no other course. It isn't terrorism to force a reluctant side to the table.

It is hilarious that the obstinate party has to later turn tail and do what the other side asked for earlier.
 
2013-10-29 10:48:41 AM
So they're part of the conspiracy to make it look like there are problems with healthcare.gov.
 
2013-10-29 10:48:41 AM

OregonVet: [obamacaresucks.com image 610x472]


And then he told the trollers... your Fox news talking points are the stuff of mongoloid wet dreams.
 
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