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(The New Republic)   There are so many sets of college rankings out there that they need their own rankings   (newrepublic.com ) divider line
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2013-10-29 12:10:41 AM  
I thought this was going to be ranking the College Football polls.
 
2013-10-29 01:06:12 AM  
Skip college.  You'll be better off on your own.
 
2013-10-29 01:56:03 AM  

Bucky Katt: Skip college.  You'll be better off on your own.


You sound like my unemployed uncle.
 
2013-10-29 02:02:16 AM  
They need to stop stressing "four year college for everyone!!!!" and show people the other options like the ones where you go to HS for two years than a career center for two, or even a two year college instead of four. Not everyone is meant to go to college, and blue collar workers earn a good living,are intelligent, and almost never unemployed and can usually set their own hours. I wish I had been shown more options when I was in HS since employment right now sucks (doesn't help that I graduated in the middle of a recession).
 
2013-10-29 02:05:50 AM  

IbiEvacua: Bucky Katt: Skip college.  You'll be better off on your own.

You sound like my unemployed uncle.


How do you know I'm not?
 
2013-10-29 02:22:07 AM  

IbiEvacua: Bucky Katt: Skip college.  You'll be better off on your own.

You sound like my unemployed uncle.


College is great, i loved it and would go back in a heartbeat for my "advanced degrees"

but in all seriousness, your "Adult Life" is more about who you are and who you/your family knows then your degree

now if there is something you really do enjoy, and a degree will really help you get your foot in the door for that industry go for it. Or if it something you really enjoy and you/your family can afford for you to go to college without loans, go for it

but Don't take on a ton of loans for a degree that has less earning power that 14 week cert

(Now will add, Get your Associate Degree, it is a College degree and will cover you in most "Do yo have a degree" situations)
 
2013-10-29 02:34:33 AM  
WHERE GRAF WHAR
 
2013-10-29 02:46:47 AM  

OhioUGrad: They need to stop stressing "four year college for everyone!!!!" and show people the other options like the ones where you go to HS for two years than a career center for two, or even a two year college instead of four. Not everyone is meant to go to college, and blue collar workers earn a good living,are intelligent, and almost never unemployed and can usually set their own hours. I wish I had been shown more options when I was in HS since employment right now sucks (doesn't help that I graduated in the middle of a recession).


Mostly-ish this.
 
2013-10-29 02:56:30 AM  

IbiEvacua: Bucky Katt: Skip college.  You'll be better off on your own.

You sound like my unemployed uncle.


you sound like you are living in the seventies.
 
2013-10-29 03:01:53 AM  
The 30-year tyrrany of the US News & World Report rankings may be coming to an end:

www.aerojockey.com
 
2013-10-29 03:08:10 AM  
BTW, I like how they rate US News in insufferable haughtiness, and how that counts as a positive in their rankings.
 
2013-10-29 03:22:26 AM  
Yo dawg, I heard you like rankings...
 
2013-10-29 03:23:23 AM  
i757.photobucket.com

Helps if I actually attach a pic.
 
2013-10-29 03:38:43 AM  
No Fiske Guide to Colleges? Weak.

Word of advice: Stay away from unknown rating books and refer to more than one of them. About 30 years ago, when I was was an undergrad, a book company sent the editor of our college paper a form to fill out describing our college, favorite professors, hangouts, etc. We went to town making stuff up, all of it patently false and easily disproven. The next year, after we had graduated, the book came out with our description, unchanged. I suspect other people at other colleges has the same idea, because I never saw another edition of that book again.
 
2013-10-29 07:06:36 AM  
WTF was that.  I don't know New Republic, is it all satire or do they attempt "humor" on the side.
 
2013-10-29 07:47:19 AM  

OhioUGrad: They need to stop stressing "four year college for everyone!!!!" and show people the other options like the ones where you go to HS for two years than a career center for two, or even a two year college instead of four. Not everyone is meant to go to college, and blue collar workers earn a good living,are intelligent, and almost never unemployed and can usually set their own hours. I wish I had been shown more options when I was in HS since employment right now sucks (doesn't help that I graduated in the middle of a recession).


Somewhat relevant:  http://chronicle.com/article/Associate-Degree-Is-Worth-Less/142055/?c i d=cc&utm_source=cc&utm_medium=en

"Over all, community colleges deliver a negative return on investment to taxpayers, and 15 percent of them produce graduates who earn less than if they had never enrolled, according to a controversial report being released on Thursday."
 
2013-10-29 08:05:45 AM  
We need people in the building trades, but nobody wants to work that hard.
 
2013-10-29 08:15:17 AM  
Meta rankings?
blogs.ocweekly.com
 
2013-10-29 09:49:00 AM  

Crewmannumber6: We need people in the building trades, but nobody wants to work that hard.


You're half right.  We definitely need people in the building trades and other skilled trades like machinist, mechanics, etc.  But there are people who do want to work that hard.  Not a majority, by any means, but there are a few.  And, of the late 20s, early 30s types I know, the most successful in terms of financial security and net worth, are those who graduated from HS 10 - 15 years ago and went straight to trade school or to work for a plumber or  builder or electrician and got OJT in abundance.  No college degree but no college debt and no 4 or 5 years of prime earning time wasted spending your whole academic year either planning for or recovering from Spring Break.

What's really interesting to me is the number of those people who, in spite of no college degree, avidly read world history, study the math concepts they need at both a theoretical and practical level, study economics beyond balancing their check book, and in many other ways get about as good an education as most of their college graduate peers.  While we obviously need universities for such things as doctors, engineers, physicists, and the like, I'm not sure that, in a society blessed with the internet and all the information available there, the vast majority of folks wouldn't be better off without college.  Well, except for the university professors, the university administrators and their alumni funds.  And college sports.  But are those significant enough drivers in our economy to saddle multitudes of low income and middle class kids with mountains of debt, the repayment of which will stunt their economic growth their entire lives; when those people could be doing productive things and building their own wealth without a 4-year degree?

We frequently see studies that compare college graduate income with non-degree income.  How about if we see a study that takes into account the total cost of that education, including interest payments and opportunity costs during the "lost years" and compares it to lifetime earnings and actual wealth creation?  Maybe a survey ranking colleges by ROI.
 
2013-10-29 09:52:21 AM  

aerojockey: The 30-year tyrrany of the US News & World Report rankings may be coming to an end:

[www.aerojockey.com image 680x453]


I have to laugh: my school fell this year in the USN&WR rankings.  Why?  Our alumni department has made a push in the last year to contact a greater percentage of our alums.  Most of these folks don't give money, so the total percentage of alumni donating to the college has gone down.  USNWR also upped the impact of this metric in the total.

Thus, we're a worse school than last year...
 
2013-10-29 10:18:56 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: aerojockey: The 30-year tyrrany of the US News & World Report rankings may be coming to an end:

[www.aerojockey.com image 680x453]

I have to laugh: my school fell this year in the USN&WR rankings.  Why?  Our alumni department has made a push in the last year to contact a greater percentage of our alums.  Most of these folks don't give money, so the total percentage of alumni donating to the college has gone down.  USNWR also upped the impact of this metric in the total.

Thus, we're a worse school than last year...


I've been hearing more and more about schools gaming the system to increase their rank; it's nice to see that this backfires once in a while.
 
2013-10-29 12:29:36 PM  
Learn a Trade. Rule them all like the bitchees they are.
 
2013-10-29 01:18:00 PM  
My biggest beef with these rankings is that they really just serve as BS marketing tools for MBA University Presidents/Provosts.

I graduated from Columbus State University, Columbus, GA.  Approx 7000 student regional state school.  Average SAT somewhere in the high 700s, low 800s at the time (I had a full ride music scholarship to a relatively renowned program, so my 1100 made the University happy).  Most general population freshman take a full year of remedial English/math/science before starting actual classes or dual enroll in the tech school down the street to get up to speed.

We got a new MBA president the year I graduated.  The following year is a multi-million dollar marketing campaign touting CSU as "Rated Top 50 Regional University in the South by USA Today!"  Billboards were up in Orlando and Birmingham for this mediocre school.

Short Story: Are there 50 regional universities in the south?
 
2013-10-29 02:14:58 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: OhioUGrad: They need to stop stressing "four year college for everyone!!!!" and show people the other options like the ones where you go to HS for two years than a career center for two, or even a two year college instead of four. Not everyone is meant to go to college, and blue collar workers earn a good living,are intelligent, and almost never unemployed and can usually set their own hours. I wish I had been shown more options when I was in HS since employment right now sucks (doesn't help that I graduated in the middle of a recession).

Somewhat relevant:  http://chronicle.com/article/Associate-Degree-Is-Worth-Less/142055/?c i d=cc&utm_source=cc&utm_medium=en

"Over all, community colleges deliver a negative return on investment to taxpayers, and 15 percent of them produce graduates who earn less than if they had never enrolled, according to a controversial report being released on Thursday."


That's interesting, but I'm sure it's like a four year degree and just depends on what your major is.
 
2013-10-30 07:45:39 AM  
While I agree that going to college isn't necessary, but I will say that has restricted me in later years when trying to find something else. And even more so now that I'm past 50
 
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