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(The Detroit_News)   U.S. automakers struggle with reliability, but so far have still managed to fend it off   (detroitnews.com) divider line 17
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2013-10-29 10:37:37 AM
2 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: omnibus_necanda_sunt: +1 subby.

This.

FTFA: Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co. and Honda Motor Co. saw the reliability of many of their vehicles suffer because of unresponsive infotainment systems and faulty voice recognition commands

I wonder why they just don't build something on top of Android like Amazon did? That's gotta be easier than rolling your own from scratch.


In Ford's case the fault is purely on the shoulders of Microsoft. They have some competent touch UI designers over in the Win Phone division that can build a responsive, easy to read interface, but unfortunately the guys over at Sync never talk to them because the company is so siloed. It's so bad that the Sync guys don't even make a Windows Phone app, despite having companion apps for iOS and Android. It makes no sense at all.
2013-10-29 03:19:16 AM
2 votes:
I'm not too much of a fan of CR's car ratings. People disliking the car's infotainment system is somehow on the same level as having a shiatty drive train that frequently breaks down.
2013-10-28 11:42:19 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Their first mistake was expecting their car to do anything except convey them from place to place.


Their second mistake was probably driving an automatic
2013-10-29 06:04:46 PM
1 votes:

odinsposse: MBZ321: \My father has a 2012 Elantra with a touchscreen setup. It actually isn't bad as it is pretty simple (just radio, nav, and bluetooth controls), but they forced a back-up camera into the package. Why the hell do you need a backup camera in a compact car?

Because a lot of the new car designs have sloping lines that result in shiatty rear visibility. Even in the compacts.


A law was passed in 2007 that essentially requires all cars to have backup cameras by 2011. It's been pushed back a couple times, with the requirement apparently going into place for 2015 models. I certainly doesn't surprise me that some automakers are simply making it a standard early.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/09/25/backup-cameras-d ot -lawsuit-gulbransen-obama-administration/2870819/
2013-10-29 02:13:17 PM
1 votes:
"I bought a Chrysler 300 back in 2000. Six years later it was costing $4k a year to keep on the road when the front windows fell out.

Think about that. The front windows falling out of a car. How bad does your build quality have to be for the windows to fall out of the car during normal use?"

Yeah, I thought about it Marcus and realized when I favorited you as "Anti Mopar Stupid", I did so correctly.
If any car is costing you $4K a year, it's because you're so stupid the mechanics are bending you over a barrel and porking you deeply. Meanwhile, I still have my 2000 Grand Caravan, no, the windows have never fallen out, even though it's been beat so hard on WV back roads I've had to change the oil pan a couple of times.
BTW, your 2000 300, if it actually existed, would have been a FWD 300M. It has nothing in common with 300s built now, so your anecdotal, possible false, story means nothing when talking about later Chryslers.
2013-10-29 01:56:05 PM
1 votes:
Back in the day, a smallblock Chevy engine had to be rebuilt after about 100,000 - 150,000 miles. The LS-style engines that GM has been using since the early 90's are just getting 'broken-in' at that point, and can easily last well over 250,000 before needing to be overhauled. When you factor in stuff like direct injection, constantly-variable valve timing, cylinder deactivation, forced induction, water-methanol injection, and electronic tuning packages, the current crop of American engines are pretty damn good. They are capable of producing lots of power, while being much more environmentally friendly than in previous years.

It is a shame though, that the American auto manufacturers can't 'stick the landing' with the electronic gadgetry.
2013-10-29 12:36:50 PM
1 votes:
2010 seems to be the last year in which cars had plain knobs on things. I'm glad my Outback is from that year. Touchscreens are fine while I'm sitting still, but when I'm driving I don't want to press an icon, wait for something to load, and then have to find the menu option to change from FM to AUX.
2013-10-29 12:19:02 PM
1 votes:
My Nissan's Nav/Stereo system is a touch screen. There are no knobs, but there are a couple of buttons - I think for volume and to switch the Nav off and on. I hate it. When the sun hits it at certain angle (which happens a lot in AZ), I can barely even see the thing. I would have been perfectly content not to have this stereo, but there was some other option I wanted (maybe the sunroof?) that came packaged with it. I love my car, but I hate the system in it. I keep telling myself I need to replace the audio system with one I like, but I have a problem tossing out something I paid for that still works.

I hate that options are always packaged now. I know they do it because it'd be damn expensive to offer every single option by itself, but the packages they put together often make no sense. Just because you want one thing doesn't mean you'll necessarily want another. I had a Mazda a few years ago that required me to have leather seats if I wanted a V6 (don't know if they're still doing that). I live in the desert where it's crazy hot in the summer, and I hate leather seats. But I much preferred the V6 to the 4 cylinder when I test drove the car. So I got the V6 with the leather seats, which I regretted every time it was hot outside.
2013-10-29 10:29:20 AM
1 votes:
The American car manufacturers have completely polluted the opinions of at least 2, maybe 3 entire generations of Americans with poorly produced shoddy crap vehicles.  The only people who think that American means quality and foreign means bad are over 60 years old.  Everyone else has never known an American car manufacturer that could put together legos competently and has only known foreign (esp. Japanese) cars that are cheap, work, and don't break.

Right now, Ford or Chevy or GM could produce a solid gold piece of perfection, but I wouldn't believe it for a few years.  It's like convincing a football fan that the Cleveland Browns are a legit contender.
2013-10-29 10:09:56 AM
1 votes:

kregh99: What I keep hearing from US automakers is "We're just as good as Toyota/Nissan/etc."  What they don't get is that even if you're just as good, I still have zero motivation to switch.  What I want is "better than...", and a quantifiable, verifiable "better than," not just "we think we're just awesome and you should too!"

/ drives a Prius
// 145,000 miles and still runs like a champ
/// suck it GM


But haven't the domestics been routinely been beating imports for reliability and satisfaction for a decade? And it's mostly morons who are still occupying a 1990's mindset on this kind of thing? And whenever the imports beat out domestics, its mostly on stupid shiat like infotainment systems? And of course, they're still comparing luxury and basic badges from all makers like they're equivalent? Not you of course. 145,000 miles is super impressive. Most cars crap out around eight thousand or so.

/if someone could show how a corolla was #1 in America and ignore all the crashes to try to disprove my point, that'd be great.
2013-10-29 09:30:17 AM
1 votes:
What I keep hearing from US automakers is "We're just as good as Toyota/Nissan/etc."  What they don't get is that even if you're just as good, I still have zero motivation to switch.  What I want is "better than...", and a quantifiable, verifiable "better than," not just "we think we're just awesome and you should too!"

/ drives a Prius
// 145,000 miles and still runs like a champ
/// suck it GM
2013-10-29 08:39:02 AM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: StopLurkListen: LOL subby, +1.

"Newer audio and infotainment systems continue to create headaches for consumers"
Sooooo... not actual reliability, just UX frustrations, huh?

Reliability across makes is actually narrowing, the only way to really differentiate is through stuff like "infotainment systems".

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Yeah, pretty much this.  Consumer reports has been looking for ways to dock American automakers even as their mechanical reliability equals or surpasses that of imports.  Biatching about UX problems is the way to go.

I think some of these new touchscreen systems are goofy, but I see why they're necessary.  Modern cars have more and more features and systems, and you can't just have a physical button or knob for each system anymore---it would mean way too many buttons that were way too small, harming usability.  A touchscreen fixes those problems, since you can configure it an infinite number of ways and get the screen to display what the driver wants to see---ideally.  But there are teething problems, as with all new technologies.  They'll get it figured out in a few years, I'm sure.


Consumer Reports "docks" American automakers because some of them need to be docked.  GM cars are still largely designed-by-committee pieces of shiat that, while marginally better than model years past, still lag behind their competition.  Ford, although they've made HUGE improvements in their reliability as compared to years past, continue to bang their heads against a wall over something so simple that every Android/Apple phone can do it 100x better, all someone at Ford has to do is pick up a phone and outsource their development.  They don't because they want full control, so I'd expect them to come up with a solution that fits their $2500 price tag that's not so riddled with bugs as to be non-functional.  Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge should be just shot into the sun.
2013-10-29 02:10:29 AM
1 votes:
Headline: U.S. Automakers struggle with reliability

Actual f*cking article: Brands with recent recurring histories of major life-threatening defects like Toyota have better marketing than older brands like Ford and GM, and therefore idiots who don't actually research cars perceive the deathtrap Toyotas as being more reliable.
2013-10-29 01:07:48 AM
1 votes:
Isn't it time Fark had a religion tab?

/bicycle threads
//apple threads
///ford threads
////not sure about hamburger threads but probably those too
2013-10-28 10:59:59 PM
1 votes:
Their first mistake was expecting their car to do anything except convey them from place to place.
2013-10-28 10:39:25 PM
1 votes:
Late entry for HOTY!
2013-10-28 07:53:52 PM
1 votes:
+1 subby.
 
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