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(Globe and Mail)   Canadian Prime Minister: Senator Duffy is lying. Senator Duffy: Here's a photocopy of the cheque   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 23
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2013-10-28 09:43:58 PM
3 votes:
The depressing thing is that, in the short term, none of this really matters. It won't take down the government. The only way that happens is if Conservative Members of Parliament defect and vote against Harper's budget bill (which would be a no-confidence vote that would trigger an election), which I don't see happening since it would likely cost them their own seats. He'll still be able to cobble together enough party support to survive a leadership challenge because 1) there's no one on deck to replace him, and 2) the money is still on his side.

Unfortunately, the more scandals come to light, the more the situation is akin to backing a rabid animal into a corner. Sure, Harper might lose his throne in 2015, but he has until then to push through any legislation he wants, and the less likely another Conservative majority becomes, the more he'll be in a rush to implement before then all the changes he wants to see. Changes that will take years/decades to undo.

Some might say that he wouldn't risk damaging the Conservative party brand, but IMO he doesn't care. The party is just a tool to him, and once he achieves his objectives ("You won't recognize Canada when I'm done with it") if he feels he has to smash that tool to bits on his way out the door, he will.
2013-10-28 08:33:28 PM
3 votes:

Fabric_Man: Hi, I'm a dumb yank. Can anyone here offer a little background into what's happening in Ottawa? The only thing I can get from TFA is that Harper may have misspent some funds on... something or other.


Imagine the president (or his chief of staff) paid cash to a sitting senator in order to have that senator stop fighting an inquiry into improperly claimed housing expenses.   In addition to the cash, the president promises that the committee looking into his housing expenses will whitewash the results.

Up until this point the senator has also been a huge fundraiser for the president and his party.

Now imagine the committee screws up the whitewash and the president starts smack talking the Senator and trying to get his pay stopped and him kicked out of the Senate.
2013-10-28 08:29:54 PM
3 votes:

Fabric_Man: Hi, I'm a dumb yank. Can anyone here offer a little background into what's happening in Ottawa? The only thing I can get from TFA is that Harper may have misspent some funds on... something or other.


It's sort of complicated, but this is about our senate which is different from yours because we they're appointed, not elected, and they don't actually do anything. Except now they figured out how to game the system so a few of them who were appointed by our PM McSweaterVest KittenPants have been lining their pockets by claiming expenses that weren't really claimable and the chief of staff for our PM McSV KP even covered the bill to the tune of 90k for one but then got caught out and fired/resigned.

So the senators have been getting thrown under a bus by the administration and now the fat(test) one, Duffy, has just pulled the pin on a grenade in a crowded room and...well, stay tuned to see what happens.
2013-10-28 07:09:34 PM
3 votes:
Does this look like the face of a liar?

img.photobucket.com
2013-10-28 07:52:05 PM
2 votes:
I don't think this is a "hail Mary pass" by Duffy. He's running a wishbone option. In simplest terms he's letting Harper's cronies know "Hey, I'm willing to cough up this stuff and throw it out there, even if it makes me look just as bad. You and I know this isn't the only incriminating document I have. So what will it be? Are you going to commit and come after me? Or are you going to hit someone else and let me head to the end zone?"
2013-10-28 07:35:24 PM
2 votes:

BATMANATEE: Does this look like the face of a liar?

[img.photobucket.com image 400x503]


can we get rid of this fark tard now? how did this obvious douche sandwich get elected? oh, yeah, he stole the election...
2013-10-28 07:10:32 PM
2 votes:
Clearly a hail Mary pass by Duffy but the cheque stub implies a lot.

There are the short term considerations and the long term ones. In the short term, Wallin and Duffy have no reason to be discrete any more to protect their party. They've been cut loose, the question is, will they have a platform on which to make a case. This will be their near-term fight. Harper's near term fight is to ignore everyone and focus on the forthcoming party convention.

In the long term, this may may force a heap of sudden resignations inside his party apparatus. The result can be that dossiers get dropped which can, in time, cause secondary explosions. In the mean time, he could end up with a lot of people outside the tent pissing in.
2013-10-29 10:41:34 PM
1 votes:

BATMANATEE: Does this look like the face of a liar?

[img.photobucket.com image 400x503]


Looks like the face of a sociopath.

He also governs like a sociopath.

Wait, duh, of course. He's a sociopath.
2013-10-29 08:28:21 AM
1 votes:

Kurohone: Quebec might be where the election is decided in 2015.  I honestly don't know how much support Trudeau has been gathering there based on his heritage, or if QC is still going it's own way and sticking with the NDP.  Trudeau will probably pick up seats in Ontario, as the voters there I think are getting tired of the shenanigans.  The west of course will go solid blue (dammit), and the Maritimes + Newfoundland don't have enough seats to matter.  If the Liberals take Quebec they'll probably get a minority government; if the NDP holds it, it'll be another Conservative majority.



I'm in Montreal, and from what I see and hear, Trudeau and the Liberals will take Quebec.  Hatred for Harper and his policies run deep (we still uphold a strong fracking moratorium provincially, which shows how lefty we are).

Especially now that, inexplicably, the Harper gov supported that anti-Quebec-referendum bill a week ago.

I have never heard a French Canadian have anything but contempt for most Conservatives.  The NDP gains in Quebec will probably swing back to the Liberals, and Conservative support in Ontario will drop.

I want Trudeau to win a nice tame MINORITY government.  Majority governments are too dangerous, especially ideological and dishonest ones.
2013-10-29 12:59:43 AM
1 votes:

costermonger: God Is My Co-Pirate: Glenford: This just keeps getting better and better. I love how it went from "It is with great regret that I accept Wright's resignation" to "I fired his ass".

And they ran on transparency and accountability.

Wasn't senate reform (hah!) a big part of their platform at some point?


Well yeah, back when all the senators were liberal.  But since the liberal party have been shiatting the bed for the past decade and the conservatives have been able to load up the senate, they're totally cool with the senate again.
2013-10-28 11:23:07 PM
1 votes:
rattchett:

I look forward to a new government, which will likely be Trudeau.  I have no doubt he, or anybody for that matter, will do a better job than Harper.  Say what you want about Trudeau but he's not Harper.

The problem is Trudeau isn't _anything_.  He's a cipher.  He's the ghost of of the idea of Pierre, only less charismatic, and with virtually no political sense.  He'll probably end up leading the Party back to the official opposition, but that will be less due to him and more due to....

...Tom Mulcair!  The only person in Canadian federal politics who might have _less_ political sense than Trudeau!  The man whose vision of Canada's future is 'We're not the Conservatives!"

Quebec might be where the election is decided in 2015.  I honestly don't know how much support Trudeau has been gathering there based on his heritage, or if QC is still going it's own way and sticking with the NDP.  Trudeau will probably pick up seats in Ontario, as the voters there I think are getting tired of the shenanigans.  The west of course will go solid blue (dammit), and the Maritimes + Newfoundland don't have enough seats to matter.  If the Liberals take Quebec they'll probably get a minority government; if the NDP holds it, it'll be another Conservative majority.
2013-10-28 10:11:51 PM
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Glenford: This just keeps getting better and better. I love how it went from "It is with great regret that I accept Wright's resignation" to "I fired his ass".

And they ran on transparency and accountability.


Wasn't senate reform (hah!) a big part of their platform at some point?
2013-10-28 09:57:47 PM
1 votes:

Glenford: This just keeps getting better and better. I love how it went from "It is with great regret that I accept Wright's resignation" to "I fired his ass".


And they ran on transparency and accountability.
2013-10-28 09:56:36 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: The depressing thing is that, in the short term, none of this really matters. It won't take down the government. The only way that happens is if Conservative Members of Parliament defect and vote against Harper's budget bill (which would be a no-confidence vote that would trigger an election), which I don't see happening since it would likely cost them their own seats. He'll still be able to cobble together enough party support to survive a leadership challenge because 1) there's no one on deck to replace him, and 2) the money is still on his side.

Unfortunately, the more scandals come to light, the more the situation is akin to backing a rabid animal into a corner. Sure, Harper might lose his throne in 2015, but he has until then to push through any legislation he wants, and the less likely another Conservative majority becomes, the more he'll be in a rush to implement before then all the changes he wants to see. Changes that will take years/decades to undo.

Some might say that he wouldn't risk damaging the Conservative party brand, but IMO he doesn't care. The party is just a tool to him, and once he achieves his objectives ("You won't recognize Canada when I'm done with it") if he feels he has to smash that tool to bits on his way out the door, he will.


What? Politicians choosing their own careers over the integrity of the system? Unpossible!
2013-10-28 09:28:34 PM
1 votes:
harper is an emotionally crippled douchebag selling Canada, like Mulroney, to the highest bidder.

I wish him a slow, lingering and painful death ASAP

from natural causes
2013-10-28 09:15:26 PM
1 votes:
fta "Let due process proceed," he said. "This is a case for the history books."

Yes, please. This could be fun.
2013-10-28 09:12:10 PM
1 votes:

VGA Hole: BTW, here's an explanation of the wishbone option, for those of you who don't know football:http://www.coachad.com/pages/Spre/Team-Sports-Strategies---F ootball---3-Complementary-Plays-To-The-Wishbone-Triple-Option.phpThe idea is the quarterback can run, pitch it, or pass, depending on the defense's movement. It's a great pay that, when run well by a visually aware QB, makes the defense take the first move and can result in a lot of yards. But if the defense expects it, or if you run it too much, it drastically reduces the health of the QB, since he most always will take a hit.Apt metaphor, I believe.


Thanks, I was thinking "Salad Dressing option?"  Really.
2013-10-28 09:02:40 PM
1 votes:
Yes, we have a massive massive coont running out country right now.  All because of the same stupid shiatty voting system (FPTP) that you use. It essentially negates democracy.
2013-10-28 08:48:20 PM
1 votes:
King Harper(R-servant) of Canada seems like such a nice fellow.... So when is his next press conference where he won't allow reporters to ask questions in regards to his Kings speech?

/King Harper: "bring in them fancy soul stealing, camera thingees, and heres the script for you to repeat word for word on the monopoly news that my 3 buddies own"
//His buddy at Bell Canada is going to scrape every bit of content from peoples Internet(cell or landline) and sell it to the highest bidder with no opt in/out and Canada's NSA screams about competition to their own scraping for Cheneys use

Canada's NSA is worse than 'Merica's NSA.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/tags/nsa
2013-10-28 08:41:27 PM
1 votes:

Fabric_Man: Hi, I'm a dumb yank. Can anyone here offer a little background into what's happening in Ottawa? The only thing I can get from TFA is that Harper may have misspent some funds on... something or other.


Duffy was basically using government funds as a personal checking account, buying whatever luxuries and shiat he wanted for himself, using a loophole in how residency is declared to get is all classed as "living expenses".  A loophole that, it turns out, wasn't actually a loophole and was just straight-up illegal.  Additionally, he's claimed a bunch of "travel expenses" that weren't actually part of his job and so on.

The rest of it is pretty much the standard parade of excuses and accusations that follow any exposure of blatant corruption.
2013-10-28 08:15:06 PM
1 votes:
This just keeps getting better and better. I love how it went from "It is with great regret that I accept Wright's resignation" to "I fired his ass".
2013-10-28 08:11:59 PM
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: BATMANATEE: Does this look like the face of a liar?

[img.photobucket.com image 400x503]

Is that a real photo? I'd be willing to believe, given the current state of politics, that it is.


It's been around a while.  AFAIK, it's the real, glorious deal.
2013-10-28 07:56:10 PM
1 votes:

some_beer_drinker: BATMANATEE: Does this look like the face of a liar?

[img.photobucket.com image 400x503]

can we get rid of this fark tard now? how did this obvious douche sandwich get elected? oh, yeah, he stole the election...


How did he stealthe election?  I mean yes, there were the robocall shennaigans, but they didn't affect enough ridings to tilt the balance, AFAIK.

I mean, it's _appalling_ that he won.  Somehow Canadians decided to give a reactionary, corrupt government, a government that just weeks before had been caught literally writing the word 'NOT' on duly passed legislation before signing it to deny funding, and turned it from a minority into a majority government.  This happened, and I still don't really know how.  I'm guessing it was 'the evil you know' vs. 'I make Mitt Romney look principled Ignatiuk' and 'We Love the Moustache, but hate the Party'.

And what scares the crap out of me?  Next election might actually be _worse_.  Look at the opposition...if you dare.  Tom 'I just can't stop talking, even when I should' Mulcair, and Justin 'Trudeau!' Trudeau.  And I won't even have a meaningful vote this time...at least last time my riding was in play.  Now that I'm in the farm belt again, not so much.
 
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