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(Providence Journal)   While the Republicans do everything they can to sabotage the roll-out of Obamacare, Vermont is quietly constructing the nation's first government funded universal health care system   (providencejournal.com) divider line 257
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2013-10-28 07:01:04 PM
Because Vermont is as it always has been. Pretty much doing their own thing, and thinking some of the dumb shiat the Fed does is kind of quaint.
 
2013-10-28 07:07:20 PM
Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.
 
2013-10-28 07:13:21 PM
Nice.  That little 'what state should you live in' personality test that made the main page last week said I should live in VT.  It would be nice to see real snow again, and I like maple syrup.
 
2013-10-28 07:17:22 PM
Ya know, the headline got me thinking. There are very few stories on Fark that take place in Vermont, or mention Vermont. In fact, a search of Fark only turns up 9 results for 'Vermont'. Delaware has the least with 5, and my state, Texas, has 196 (mostly involving abortion, women's rights, Rick Perry, or a combination of the 3). Florida, with its own tag, only got 230.

And the grand champion, New York, has a whopping 1808 results.

/Done without archived search (goes back to March 2013)
//New York still dominates with 29,992 incl. archived
///end threadjack
 
2013-10-28 07:24:17 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


put down the bag of lead paint chips
 
2013-10-28 07:41:10 PM
Good. Be nice if it served as a model for the rest of the nation.
 
2013-10-28 07:43:12 PM

libranoelrose: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

put down the bag of lead paint chips


You know, that would explain alot ..
 
2013-10-28 08:08:19 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


Why won't you let Breitbart rest in peace.
 
2013-10-28 08:13:49 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously
 
2013-10-28 08:15:30 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


"The states are the laboratories of democracy"

Why you drop talking points so fast?
 
2013-10-28 08:20:12 PM
FTFA: Then there's the fact that Vermont is close to universal health care already. Lavarreda noted that the state became a leader in insuring children in the 1990s. Now 96 percent of Vermont children have coverage, and 91 percent of the overall population does, second only to Massachusetts.

upload.wikimedia.org


HA HA!!!   MITT ROMNEY WINS AGAIN!
 
2013-10-28 08:25:24 PM

Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously


Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?
 
2013-10-28 08:27:47 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


it's going to be sadly humorous when republicans try to take credit for it in five years.
 
2013-10-28 08:27:50 PM

sex0r: Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously

Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?


The ones that got beat in 2010 by the Teatards.
 
2013-10-28 08:28:51 PM
Why don't people understand that Republicans are ok with this?
 
2013-10-28 08:30:50 PM

Fark It: /there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously


What helped fuel the ACA website fiasco is unclear requirements, bad coding, terrible organizational structure, and an arbitrary deadline written into law.

/meanwhile most state run exchanges are running along swimmingly even with the deadline
 
2013-10-28 08:31:21 PM
I love Vermont SOOOOOO much - I hope to move there in 2016
 
2013-10-28 08:31:35 PM
Really subtardmitter?  Dems own the unmitigated disaster that is Obamacare 100%.  And as a constitutional conservative who believes in federalism, if a state wants to have universal healthcare implemented by democratic processes, by all means have it.  If it works, great for them and maybe other states can try it.  If it falls on it's ass, people can easily move to another state and states can't print money and put their citizenry into crushing debt.
 
2013-10-28 08:31:54 PM
Makes me want to move to Vermont.

If only I could get a job that pays 75% as much....

/Vermont needs more Engineering jobs!
 
2013-10-28 08:32:10 PM
So Vermont leads the way in universal health care?

img.fark.net

Vermont?
 
2013-10-28 08:32:37 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: sex0r: Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously

Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?

The ones that got beat in 2010 by the Teatards.


No.  Zero Republicans voted for it.
 
2013-10-28 08:34:02 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: sex0r: Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously

Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?

The ones that got beat in 2010 by the Teatards.


Nope, not a single Republican voted for Obamacare in any vote at any time and when Kennedy died, the uber-progressive state of Mass. elected a Republican who ran on stopping Obamacare so the Dems used underhanded parliamentary procedures to complete the passage after that.
 
2013-10-28 08:37:41 PM
It's funny how New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" libertarian state, is right next to our most socialist one.
 
2013-10-28 08:38:37 PM
Ha, republican's fault now...

Sekrit republican sabotage machine!
 
2013-10-28 08:39:00 PM

libranoelrose: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

put down the bag of lead paint chips


I prefer to call it "wall candy".

/obscure?
 
2013-10-28 08:39:17 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


Yes, someone with a southern accent pissing in everyone's cheerios.
Never surprised when this happens.

/Oh yes, I said southern accent.
 
2013-10-28 08:39:43 PM
Between this and their almost perfect record on gun rights, I might have to move to Vermont.
 
2013-10-28 08:41:08 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


The "disaster" is happening in the states that did not want to adopt state run exchanges. They brought it on themselves, and I can guarantee you that was not a 100% Democrat owned idea.
 
2013-10-28 08:41:56 PM

CivicMindedFive: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: sex0r: Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously

Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?

The ones that got beat in 2010 by the Teatards.

Nope, not a single Republican voted for Obamacare in any vote at any time and when Kennedy died, the uber-progressive state of Mass. elected a Republican who ran on stopping Obamacare so the Dems used underhanded parliamentary procedures to complete the passage after that.


Passing something with less than 60 votes in the Senate is not "underhanded". Read the constitution. You will not find a requirement for a 3/5 majority on anything. This requirement is one that the Senate imposed on itself, and has the sole discretion to enforce, or not enforce, on itself.
 
2013-10-28 08:42:17 PM

JonBuck: It's funny how New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" libertarian state, is right next to our most socialist one.


It's spooning with Vermont, getting bumfarked by New York and Mass. is licking its balls.
 
2013-10-28 08:42:51 PM
You mean a state is able to take action independent of the Federal government. I am shocked.

Actually this is the way it should be done. Individual states setting up their own systems, if they want them, not one size fits all imposed by the Feds.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45
 
2013-10-28 08:43:20 PM
"It has a tradition of activism. Several times in recent years, hundreds of people have rallied in Montpelier for a campaign advocating that health care is a human right."

 Healthcare is as much a right as driving a car. Were do people come up with this mess, if it is a right shouldn't they petition the medical community in Vermont to reduce the cost of care so everyone can afford it. Why turn to government why not just force the hospitals and clinics to reduce their costs and take it on the chin to provide this "human right".

 Who will manage the risk associated with providing healthcare insurance, who will make sure that people with poor lifestyles change their ways and become less a risk to the system?
 
2013-10-28 08:44:22 PM
And these acts of sabotage would be...?

I guess noticing something is broken counts as sabotage now?
Perhaps calling the fire department is arson now?
 
2013-10-28 08:44:30 PM
So when is Texas going to declare war on Vermont?
 
2013-10-28 08:45:05 PM
Open carry laws, too.
 
2013-10-28 08:46:29 PM

sex0r: Fark It: BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.

I think you're being extremely unfair to the Heritage Foundation's healthcare reform package, re-branded as Obamacare.

/there is something to the notion that nepotism and politically-motivated contracting helped fuel the ACA website fiasco
//and people like you are the reason no one will take it seriously

Which Republicans voted for Odumbocare again?


So why was the ACA a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and implemented by Romney in Mass., but became the worst idea ever when implemented by a blah person President?

/never mind. I think I figured it out.
 
2013-10-28 08:46:33 PM
Fine.  Let Vermont do it.  This sort of thing should be done on the state level -- not on the federal level where a one-size-fits-all solution is forced on the public.  The only reason for doing it federally is to get a corrupt program entrenched, not to actually fix any problems.
 
2013-10-28 08:47:30 PM

pmdgrwr: Healthcare is as much a right as driving a car. Were do people come up with this mess, if it is a right shouldn't they petition the medical community in Vermont to reduce the cost of care so everyone can afford it. Why turn to government why not just force the hospitals and clinics to reduce their costs and take it on the chin to provide this "human right".

 Who will manage the risk associated with providing healthcare insurance, who will make sure that people with poor lifestyles change their ways and become less a risk to the system?


Not sure if serious....

However, the costs can be managed...by the government. Fix malpractice, fix the cost of drugs and the equipment and you can have reasonably prices options.

Also, as humans, shouldn't we be striving for a society where everyone gets what they need, particularly when it relates to healthcare? Everyone should have access to the same drugs, treatments etc. as those who can afford the best care.

Yes I realize utopian societies have never existed (or at least not for very long) but that should still be the end goal right? We need to think more for the group than for the individual.
 
2013-10-28 08:48:09 PM

Tricky Chicken: I guess noticing something is broken counts as sabotage now?


Not to mention racist.
 
2013-10-28 08:49:28 PM

BravadoGT: Nice spin Subby, but this disaster is 100% Democrat owned.


Haven't you heard? the Obamacare website was designed by a company awarded a no bid contract by the Tea Party and Ted Cruz deliberately  lied to Americans by promising them if Obamacare passed they would still be able to keep their Health care plan if they wanted to-period.


assets.diylol.com
 
2013-10-28 08:49:33 PM

ghall3: pmdgrwr: Healthcare is as much a right as driving a car. Were do people come up with this mess, if it is a right shouldn't they petition the medical community in Vermont to reduce the cost of care so everyone can afford it. Why turn to government why not just force the hospitals and clinics to reduce their costs and take it on the chin to provide this "human right".

 Who will manage the risk associated with providing healthcare insurance, who will make sure that people with poor lifestyles change their ways and become less a risk to the system?

Not sure if serious....

However, the costs can be managed...by the government. Fix malpractice, fix the cost of drugs and the equipment and you can have reasonably prices options.

Also, as humans, shouldn't we be striving for a society where everyone gets what they need, particularly when it relates to healthcare? Everyone should have access to the same drugs, treatments etc. as those who can afford the best care.

Yes I realize utopian societies have never existed (or at least not for very long) but that should still be the end goal right? We need to think more for the group than for the individual.


And for some reason, in every country that has UHC, the costs are *significantly* less than healthcare costs in the US.

Or is this another of those things that the rest of the world can do without an issue, and Americans are too incompetent to figure out?
 
2013-10-28 08:50:10 PM
ghall3:
Also, as humans, shouldn't we be striving for a society where everyone gets what they need....?

No.   Tried it, hated it.  It's important that people start the race at the same point, not whether they finish at the same point.
 
2013-10-28 08:50:49 PM

LaughingRadish: Fine.  Let Vermont do it.  This sort of thing should be done on the state level -- not on the federal level where a one-size-fits-all solution is forced on the public.  The only reason for doing it federally is to get a corrupt program entrenched, not to actually fix any problems.


This.  None of us outside of Vermont will be stuck with this monstrosity.

/Just the one the federal government stuck us with.
 
2013-10-28 08:51:02 PM

pmdgrwr: "It has a tradition of activism. Several times in recent years, hundreds of people have rallied in Montpelier for a campaign advocating that health care is a human right."

 Healthcare is as much a right as driving a car.


I'm curious. Do you feel the same way about public education? Everybody needs an education just as everybody needs healthcare.
 
2013-10-28 08:52:10 PM

hasty ambush: You mean a state is able to take action independent of the Federal government. I am shocked.

Actually this is the way it should be done. Individual states setting up their own systems, if they want them, not one size fits all imposed by the Feds.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45


This is accurate, but remember that the the Federalist Papers were more like campaign documents. This assurance from Madison was much more relevant when half the states had slave economies and half did not. Our concerns today are only practicality and adherence to the spirit of the constitution, rather than whether or not we would have slaves for neighbors. What we've found is that states are reluctant to invest in needful things if their neighbors are not similarly burdening themselves.
 
2013-10-28 08:52:49 PM
I wonder how many Virginians are gullible enough to equate universal healthcare with free healthcare.
 
2013-10-28 08:52:54 PM

ghall3: Everyone should have access to the same drugs, treatments etc. as those who can afford the best care.


They do, 5-10 years after the rich. Which is better than never, which would be the case if you outlaw the wealthy from using their resources to obtain better care than is typically available.
 
2013-10-28 08:53:13 PM

hasty ambush: You mean a state is able to take action independent of the Federal government. I am shocked.

Actually this is the way it should be done. Individual states setting up their own systems, if they want them, not one size fits all imposed by the Feds.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45


It's pretty awesome that the ACA includes those provisions about state-run exchanges, right? Too bad all the bootstrappy conservatives opted into the federal program.
 
2013-10-28 08:53:18 PM

plcow: Why don't people understand that Republicans are ok with this?


That would be news to Governor Romney. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten savaged over enacting it as Governor by his fellow Republicans.
 
2013-10-28 08:55:16 PM

hasty ambush: You mean a state is able to take action independent of the Federal government. I am shocked.

Actually this is the way it should be done. Individual states setting up their own systems, if they want them, not one size fits all imposed by the Feds.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45


Hmm, one case where a state does what it should in the interest of its citizen vs. the CSA.

The evidence that the system of government as envisioned by some of the Founding Fathers is still overwhelmingly on the side of "broken."
 
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