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2013-10-28 03:53:01 PM  
I have seen articles that were more ignorant.
But not many.
 
2013-10-28 03:54:42 PM  
This is satire, right?

FTFA: And then there is another consideration: It's the dark underbelly of the Affordable Care Act reminiscent of what Lenin and Churchill both said. Lenin: "Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state." Churchill: "Control your citizens' health care and you control your citizens."

Neither of those people said those things.
 
2013-10-28 03:56:41 PM  
i219.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-28 03:59:04 PM  
Keep in mind, this is coming from a woman who did the talk show circuit to announce proudly that she hadn't farted in years.
 
2013-10-28 03:59:09 PM  

unlikely: I have seen articles that were more ignorant.
But not many.


Oh come on, it can't be that bad.

*clicks article*
Headline:  The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme
*clicks close*

Wow...
 
2013-10-28 04:00:14 PM  
Fact: Canada used to have over 200,000,000 people.
Now they're down to fewer than 35,000,000.

Thanks a lot Obamacare!
 
2013-10-28 04:05:27 PM  
When people talk about wait times to see doctors, how long do they wait to see their doctors here?

When I had a swollen gland in my throat and accompanying ear pain? My doctor saw me the following morning. (I called at 4pm, in fairness. I probably would have been seen same day if I called that day.)

To schedule my physical? Three months wait time.  That's actually standard, even now, even before Obamacare.  But nobody is throwing up for weeks on end without being able to see their doctor. And if they are, they should either find a new doctor, go to any of the numerous walk-in clinics, or go to the emergency room (i mean really, if you are throwing up for WEEKS it certainly qualifies as an emergency.)
 
2013-10-28 04:14:25 PM  
I don't care what she has to say, not one dewitt.
 
2013-10-28 04:16:22 PM  

serpent_sky: When people talk about wait times to see doctors, how long do they wait to see their doctors here?

When I had a swollen gland in my throat and accompanying ear pain? My doctor saw me the following morning. (I called at 4pm, in fairness. I probably would have been seen same day if I called that day.)

To schedule my physical? Three months wait time.  That's actually standard, even now, even before Obamacare.  But nobody is throwing up for weeks on end without being able to see their doctor. And if they are, they should either find a new doctor, go to any of the numerous walk-in clinics, or go to the emergency room (i mean really, if you are throwing up for WEEKS it certainly qualifies as an emergency.)


I usually get a regular appointment for a month later. A sick visit is a couple of days. If I need anything immediately, I go to the ER. But I get a lot of attention from him once I do get in and I don't see that changing any. He keeps me there for hours. He spends my allotted time with me and then pops in between seeing other patients if they are quick. It can take all day but it's worth it.

I imagine that very little will change for well people and I seriously doubt it will change for more complicated people like me with chronic conditions. The biggest change will be that people who can't get insurance will be able to (in the states that did Medicaid expansion) and will get the care they need whether it be a flu shot or a referral to a specialist.

Also, waaaaaaay off topic, but someone should start a site like Yelp! to review medical experiences.
 
2013-10-28 04:19:08 PM  
First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

I wish.

It doesn't get any smarter from there, either.
 
2013-10-28 04:20:32 PM  
Yeah, she would know...

i218.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-28 04:22:24 PM  
My 75-year-old Canadian girlfriend . . .

Giggity?
 
2013-10-28 04:23:34 PM  

Calmamity: First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

I wish.

It doesn't get any smarter from there, either.


Pretty f'ing far from socialized medicine. But "socialized" is a scary word isn't it.
 
2013-10-28 04:24:56 PM  

serpent_sky: When people talk about wait times to see doctors, how long do they wait to see their doctors here?

When I had a swollen gland in my throat and accompanying ear pain? My doctor saw me the following morning. (I called at 4pm, in fairness. I probably would have been seen same day if I called that day.)

To schedule my physical? Three months wait time.  That's actually standard, even now, even before Obamacare.  But nobody is throwing up for weeks on end without being able to see their doctor. And if they are, they should either find a new doctor, go to any of the numerous walk-in clinics, or go to the emergency room (i mean really, if you are throwing up for WEEKS it certainly qualifies as an emergency.)


I live in France, you can't get more much more socialized medicine than here. I got an appointment for a Saturday morning at 8:30. This was done on a Thursday evening at around 5:30pm. He is a new doctor for me and was recommended by my neighbor as a doctor who listens. Seems good to me. I can go to any specialist with a reference, probably in less than 15 days. Don't see a problem with the delay or the need of a reference. Doctors visit is 25€, specialist is about 60€. Wife is pregnant; 100% covered.
/you really want to keep comparing?
 
2013-10-28 04:29:46 PM  
Its bern fun watching the Wall Street Journal become World Net Daily.
 
2013-10-28 04:29:55 PM  

Calmamity: First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

I wish.

It doesn't get any smarter from there, either.


I don't understand how you can say something so definitively, provably false and STILL get your "article" published by a major news company.
 
2013-10-28 04:34:20 PM  

serpent_sky: When people talk about wait times to see doctors, how long do they wait to see their doctors here?

When I had a swollen gland in my throat and accompanying ear pain? My doctor saw me the following morning. (I called at 4pm, in fairness. I probably would have been seen same day if I called that day.)

To schedule my physical? Three months wait time.  That's actually standard, even now, even before Obamacare.  But nobody is throwing up for weeks on end without being able to see their doctor. And if they are, they should either find a new doctor, go to any of the numerous walk-in clinics, or go to the emergency room (i mean really, if you are throwing up for WEEKS it certainly qualifies as an emergency.)


Mrs. Samurai sees an endocrinologist twice a year - or at least she's supposed to, but it's damn near impossible to schedule an appointment because there's a grand total of one within two hours' driving time that Blue Cross will deal with.

So yeah, that whole "rationing of health care" scare tactic bullshiat doesn't fly with me, because that's exactly what we have now.
 
2013-10-28 04:39:15 PM  
All of a sudden we're greenlighting Wall St. Journal stuff again? If so, why in the fark did we resume with gibberish from the Dale Gribble wing of the Republican party?
 
2013-10-28 04:42:09 PM  
We have left our lives, we have left our land,
We have left behind all we understand,
Now we must cry out, yes we must demand --
Let my children live in a land that's low,
Where the holes are deeper than light can go;
Let them have not pride but instead a soul
That can see the shame of the hands that glow.
Hole-Workers vs Man and Machine
Another Land
 
2013-10-28 04:44:48 PM  
Chalk another one to the 'former celebrities gone right-wing nut' category.
 
2013-10-28 04:48:28 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Chalk another one to the 'former celebrities gone right-wing nut' category.


Life in the celbribubble, unless somebody can point me to a celebrity who's gone moderate.
 
2013-10-28 04:51:00 PM  
www.contactmusic.com

Whoa. Chrissy. WTF happened?
 
2013-10-28 04:52:39 PM  
I knew Larry roofied her drink one too many times at the Regal Beagle.

I give it two days until Suzanne opens up a package to find a bloody severed finger in the box and a note reading "Stop stepping on my gig or next time I'll cut off my whole hand and send it to you! Love, Victoria Jackson."
 
2013-10-28 05:17:26 PM  
Oh please be ted nugent, please...

*opens article*

fark around
 
2013-10-28 05:19:04 PM  
First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

If affordable health care is socialized medicine, then we should have socialized medicine.

Or do you mean the Affordable Healthcare Act, which is a mandate to buy private insurance? You would be stupid to call that "socialized medicine."
 
2013-10-28 05:27:30 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [www.contactmusic.com image 500x750]

Whoa. Chrissy. WTF happened?


That's a lot of work done, and a lot of makeup.
 
2013-10-28 05:31:44 PM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: unlikely: I have seen articles that were more ignorant.
But not many.

Oh come on, it can't be that bad.

*clicks article*
Headline:  The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme
*clicks close*

Wow...


How sad is it that there is a significant percentage of the American populace that can't tell the difference between a Ponzi scheme and a risk pool.

*sigh*
 
2013-10-28 05:32:24 PM  
I am not sure about today, but about 35 years ago she was solely responsible for the death of thousands of kittens.
 
2013-10-28 05:33:51 PM  

TenJed_77: serpent_sky: When people talk about wait times to see doctors, how long do they wait to see their doctors here?

When I had a swollen gland in my throat and accompanying ear pain? My doctor saw me the following morning. (I called at 4pm, in fairness. I probably would have been seen same day if I called that day.)

To schedule my physical? Three months wait time.  That's actually standard, even now, even before Obamacare.  But nobody is throwing up for weeks on end without being able to see their doctor. And if they are, they should either find a new doctor, go to any of the numerous walk-in clinics, or go to the emergency room (i mean really, if you are throwing up for WEEKS it certainly qualifies as an emergency.)

I live in France, you can't get more much more socialized medicine than here. I got an appointment for a Saturday morning at 8:30. This was done on a Thursday evening at around 5:30pm. He is a new doctor for me and was recommended by my neighbor as a doctor who listens. Seems good to me. I can go to any specialist with a reference, probably in less than 15 days. Don't see a problem with the delay or the need of a reference. Doctors visit is 25€, specialist is about 60€. Wife is pregnant; 100% covered.
/you really want to keep comparing?


No. Your country sounds smart. My country sounds like Brad Paisley blasted full volume out of stock speakers on a lifted pickup with mud on the tires and a naked woman airbrushed over a Confederate naval jack on the tailgate while some sister-f*cking hillbilly preacher yells about how Jesus never healed any sick people, just went deer hunting with Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-10-28 05:37:36 PM  

vernonFL: Its bern fun watching the Wall Street Journal become World Net Daily.


What's hilarious is Murdoch and crew swore - SWORE - this would never happen.  They'd leave normal operations alone, it'd never change.

Alright, not hilarious, just kind of awful and sad.  Rupert Murdoch is like a demon infesting the world.
 
2013-10-28 05:37:41 PM  
LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH YOU
 
2013-10-28 05:40:40 PM  
FTA: "...by using my celebrity to get to the best and brightest doctors, scientists and medical professionals in the alternative and integrative health-care world..."

Well, there's your problem right there. You started off by scrapping the bottom of the intellectual barrel to get your information.
 
2013-10-28 05:42:06 PM  
This is the same nut who promoted homeopathics over chemotherapy for cancer patients. Was Jenny McCarthy unavailable?
 
2013-10-28 05:43:59 PM  

CPennypacker: LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH YOU


All I see are white true Americans like Chuck Norris, Suzanne Sommers, and Ted Nugent. People who have always put Jesus and the Constitution first in their lives. People that have never asked for handouts or been found wanting when hard jobs needed doing. People that built this country from the untamed, uninhabited wilderness it was before God and George Washington discovered it together.
 
2013-10-28 05:44:49 PM  
Why haven't all these idiots been up in arms over the "government" forcing us to have car insurance for all these decades?
 
2013-10-28 05:45:04 PM  

TenJed_77: I live in France, you can't get more much more socialized medicine than here. I got an appointment for a Saturday morning at 8:30. This was done on a Thursday evening at around 5:30pm. He is a new doctor for me and was recommended by my neighbor as a doctor who listens. Seems good to me. I can go to any specialist with a reference, probably in less than 15 days. Don't see a problem with the delay or the need of a reference. Doctors visit is 25€, specialist is about 60€. Wife is pregnant; 100% covered.
/you really want to keep comparing?


1 October, I broke my toe in Paris. I got to see a doctor the following morning, they took an X-Ray, they gave me a prescription for painkillers. I told them I wasn't French, and they said "oh we are so sorry for how much we'll have to charge you." 47 euro for the X-Ray and the drugs and two rolls of tape to hold the broken toe immobile against the middle toe. 47 euro. Total.

/ALSO, those french pain drugs are kind of amazing.
 
2013-10-28 05:45:08 PM  
badthinking.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-28 05:45:30 PM  
I think we can all agree that the opinion of Suzanne Somers doesn't really matter on this issue. But for the love of god, what does Frankie Munoz think of it?!?
 
2013-10-28 05:45:56 PM  
Whoever is having sex with her twice a day sure does like sticking it in the crazy.
 
2013-10-28 05:45:57 PM  

impaler: First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

If affordable health care is socialized medicine, then we should have socialized medicine.


Notice she says this in the exact same article that she is furious money may be taken out of medicare.
 
2013-10-28 05:46:13 PM  

TenJed_77: Soup4Bonnie: [www.contactmusic.com image 500x750]

Whoa. Chrissy. WTF happened?

That's a lot of work done, and a lot of makeup.


Too much or not enough. Whatever it is it isn't working
 
2013-10-28 05:46:54 PM  

vernonFL: Its bern fun watching the Wall Street Journal become World Net Daily.


Idunno. I remember how nice it was when the WSJ was more than a check out line tabloid. I guess I'm just nostalgic.
 
2013-10-28 05:48:35 PM  

Notabunny: vernonFL: Its bern fun watching the Wall Street Journal become World Net Daily.

Idunno. I remember how nice it was when the WSJ was more than a check out line tabloid. I guess I'm just nostalgic.


Sounds like you hate freedom, brother.
 
2013-10-28 05:49:01 PM  
Mods, seriously, how many more articles do we need where X person who might be "famous" and doesn't need any of the benefits from the ACA decides to drop their 2 billion cents into the picture? WE DON'T CARE.
 
2013-10-28 05:49:07 PM  
Christ, I'm so sick of retards who know nothing about history, politics, philosophy, or economics not know what the word socialism means. Probably my biggest pet peeve politically.

/funny enough, social democrats who favor a mixed economy can give better defenses of capitalism than can any right wing mouth breather in this country.
 
2013-10-28 05:49:40 PM  
For once, it's not a ponzi scheme. It sold everyone to the insurance companies like a pack of debt slaves, but it's not a ponzi.
 
2013-10-28 05:50:20 PM  
I...this is...I just...

/gives up
 
2013-10-28 05:50:22 PM  
My sister-in-law had to wait two months to get a General Practitioner. During this period she spent her days in bed vomiting continuously, unable to get any food or drink down because she couldn't get an appointment with the doctor. When she finally did, the doctor said, "Oh you don't need me, you need a specialist." That took another two weeks until she got a pill that corrected the problem.

She spent two months vomiting without eating or drinking? And then "a pill" cured that?

Your sister in law died of dehydration after 5 days, and then she became a zombie. She couldn't get out of bed because your brother chained her to the headboard, because he's a sick farking weirdo.

The "pill" that cured her problem was a bullet to the head. The reason she never attacked you, Ms. Sommers, is because zombies eat brains.
 
2013-10-28 05:51:13 PM  
Tell me more, alt-medicine imbecile and crapharkster.
 
2013-10-28 05:51:16 PM  

impaler: First of all, let's call affordable health care what it really is: It's socialized medicine.

If affordable health care is socialized medicine, then we should have socialized medicine.

Or do you mean the Affordable Healthcare Act, which is a mandate to buy private insurance? You would be stupid to call that "socialized medicine."


Yes
 
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