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(NewsAdvance)   Campaigning at Liberty University to support Ken Cuccinelli's run for Virginia Governor, Rand Paul raises the boogeyman of eugenics. RAND PAUL   (newsadvance.com) divider line 123
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2013-10-28 02:32:01 PM
Paul likened the [DNA] tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

He's probably thinking of how lucky he was such tests weren't used on him.
 
2013-10-28 02:32:58 PM
Rand Paul raised Khan Noonien Singh?

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2013-10-28 02:35:45 PM
Great. So now instead of the 1950s, the GOP is aiming for the 1880s.

/slavery arguments next?
 
2013-10-28 02:36:59 PM
Dear Rand

Whilst its understandable you would immediately assume that you would be a candidate for a program that forcibly sterilises people with dangerous genetic deficiencies, rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.

Though in case of any confusion it should be noted that the only reason you would not be sterilised is as a result of that blanket prohibition, as obviously any argument you might make based on the merits of your own person would be hilariously invalid.

Yours T
 
2013-10-28 02:38:20 PM
*face palm*

On one hand, it saddens me that this farkwit represents my state. On the other- keep talking, hopefully he'll talk himself into being primaried...
 
2013-10-28 02:39:15 PM
It's funny that, between Newt Gingrich's moon base and Rand Paul's "Gattaca" future, it seems that Republicans have their minds firmly in a science fiction novel.

I guess that shouldn't be too surprising. They've been trying to turn the US into Snow Crash for years.
 
2013-10-28 02:40:50 PM
Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

Are you frightened enough to vote correctly yet? If not, I can tell you the yarn about the one-armed man. THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!
 
2013-10-28 02:44:52 PM
"Paul, also a Republican, warned them to beware of DNA testing and who will control it in the future."

I can't argue with that. An educated, engaged citizenry ought to be aware of technologies and their inherent risks. For example, would we be happy with health insurers charging individually-tailored rates based on genetic tests?

"Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement."

Okay, now that's just derp if he's arguing that that's the logical conclusion of the Republican opponents' policies.
 
2013-10-28 02:56:43 PM
So you campaign a conservative viewpoint at one of the most conservative locations in the state. But then wonder about your message is not getting out?
 
2013-10-28 03:01:30 PM

phaseolus: "Paul, also a Republican, warned them to beware of DNA testing and who will control it in the future."

I can't argue with that. An educated, engaged citizenry ought to be aware of technologies and their inherent risks. For example, would we be happy with health insurers charging individually-tailored rates based on genetic tests?


Right.

"Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement."

Okay, now that's just derp if he's arguing that that's the logical conclusion of the Republican opponents' policies.


It's just a summary of a speech that was apparently not published in full, so hard to really attack or defend with no context.  Probably the intended point was something like "Don't just hand over your DNA without thinking about it because it reveals a lot about you.  Imagine if they analyzed it as a predictor of your success in school, would you be OK with that?"
 
2013-10-28 03:06:49 PM

Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

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2013-10-28 03:07:21 PM

Peki: Great. So now instead of the 1950s, the GOP is aiming for the 1880s.

/slavery arguments next?


Does it surprise you?  The message since 2009 has been "TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK...(to the robber baron era)!!!"
 
2013-10-28 03:07:26 PM

Slives: So you campaign a conservative viewpoint at one of the most conservative locations in the state. But then wonder about your message is not getting out?


Are you suggesting that Cuccinelli would benefit from more people in VA knowing what he really stands for?
 
2013-10-28 03:10:29 PM

UNC_Samurai: Peki: Great. So now instead of the 1950s, the GOP is aiming for the 1880s.

/slavery arguments next?

Does it surprise you?  The message since 2009 has been "TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK...(to the robber baron era)!!!"


Nope. I just keep having those "You know we can hear you, right?" moments.
 
2013-10-28 03:11:45 PM
I doubt there's much of a connection between DNA and academic performance in college.
 
2013-10-28 03:19:08 PM
Upon hearing this news the honors pre-med students at Liberty were so shocked they could barely cast the bones required to determine if a patient's humours were so unbalanced they'd have to begin immediate phlogiston therapies.
 
2013-10-28 03:21:03 PM

simplicimus: I doubt there's much of a connection between DNA and academic performance in college.


Not surprising you'd take a Pro-swab position.
 
2013-10-28 03:29:03 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Upon hearing this news the honors pre-med students at Liberty were so shocked they could barely cast the bones required to determine if a patient's humours were so unbalanced they'd have to begin immediate phlogiston therapies.


Would not blood letting suffice?

/assuming a great enough quantity
 
2013-10-28 04:02:27 PM

Ashyukun: On the other- keep talking, hopefully he'll talk himself into being primaried...


No offense, but it seems more likely he'll talk himself into a 2016 GOP presidential nomination.
 
2013-10-28 04:20:44 PM
"Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement."

well i mean you libulardos laugh but this is a great example of government overreach

back in my grandpappy's day black people were denied college from simple photographs

we don't need this whole 'boligical test' witchcraft
 
2013-10-28 04:22:34 PM
Whatever dude, since when does government abuse power!

I really don't know much about the guy but I'm going to go ahead and assume Rand Paul is a nut because of the house he grew up in.  But, I think it's more than a bit rash to dismiss the idea that we should be cautious about that kind of information being controlled by the government.

I'm going to go ahead and include a version of this post designed so fark liberals can understand it:

Imagine Karl Rove or Dick Cheney having access to a DNA database of every US citizen.
 
2013-10-28 04:22:46 PM
Remember, since people could in theory abuse understanding of genetics, DNA should not be understood at all, and left as a divine mystery.  Except rich children.  They're successful because of good genes.
 
2013-10-28 04:24:04 PM
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2013-10-28 04:25:00 PM
Well, thank god, they haven't learned a thing from the last three election cycles.

Even getting demolished in shutdown fight hasn't taught them a thing.

It's things like this that make me feel okay about the next cycle.
 
2013-10-28 04:25:18 PM
I think we should be worried about eugenics and DNA testing. Republicans may actually get back in control of government someday and then we will be truly farked.

It's like the voting fraud thing. The are scared of it because they are the ones doing it and don't understand that others are not total dickhead and don't do it.
 
2013-10-28 04:26:02 PM
And he's "the moderate."
 
2013-10-28 04:26:06 PM

Tigger: rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.


But what about progressive philosophy? Progressives were usually eugenicists.
 
2013-10-28 04:27:08 PM

paygun: Whatever dude, since when does government abuse power!

I really don't know much about the guy but I'm going to go ahead and assume Rand Paul is a nut because of the house he grew up in.  But, I think it's more than a bit rash to dismiss the idea that we should be cautious about that kind of information being controlled by the government.

I'm going to go ahead and include a version of this post designed so fark liberals can understand it:

Imagine Karl Rove or Dick Cheney having access to a DNA database of every US citizen.


Liberal types don't get terrified over vague possible outcomes in the future.
 
2013-10-28 04:28:45 PM

jigger: Tigger: rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.

But what about progressive philosophy? Progressives were usually eugenicists.


You're so adorably retarded.
 
2013-10-28 04:30:10 PM
I work as an educational specialist for a large urban school district, and I can tell you that your "intelligence" is only partly responsible for your grades and your accomplishments. Numerous studies can show that even very smart children who are poor fare worse than children who aren't as smart but come from good homes.

I go to work every day and work with middle schoolers who want to drop out who are VERY smart (read: crafty, adaptable, etc) but couldn't pass a simple reading comprehension test. By this logic, your entire life could be predetermined by your DNA, and that's inappropriately inaccurate.
 
2013-10-28 04:33:02 PM

Slives: So you campaign a conservative viewpoint at one of the most conservative locations in the state. But then wonder about your message is not getting out?


Remember how things went the last time Rand Paul tried to do some outreach?
 
2013-10-28 04:34:04 PM
If Rand Paul doesn't like DNA testing the way it's currently done, he could just start his own DNA testing certification board like he did for his Ophthalmology board certification.

What I'm getting at is that Rand Paul shouldn't be listened to about scientific things.
 
2013-10-28 04:37:10 PM

Infernalist: jigger: Tigger: rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.

But what about progressive philosophy? Progressives were usually eugenicists.

You're so adorably retarded.


Do you not know the history of the Progressive Movement?
 
2013-10-28 04:37:13 PM

Slives: So you campaign a conservative viewpoint at one of the most conservative locations in the state. But then wonder about your message is not getting out?


The Cooch knows he is going to lose. He is just burnishing his conservative credentials for the future.
 
2013-10-28 04:37:45 PM
Since Rand Paul wouldn't be a senator except for his DNA, he should shut up.
 
2013-10-28 04:37:55 PM

RexTalionis: It's funny that, between Newt Gingrich's moon base and Rand Paul's "Gattaca" future, it seems that Republicans have their minds firmly in a science fiction novel.

I guess that shouldn't be too surprising. They've been trying to turn the US into Snow Crash for years.


I could have sworn they were using The Handmaid's Tale as a handbook.
 
2013-10-28 04:41:44 PM

Diogenes: Paul likened the [DNA] tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

He's probably thinking of how lucky he was such tests weren't used on him.


And here I thought he was thinking we'd be testing for the Christian DNA and executing people that have it.
 
2013-10-28 04:43:19 PM
Republican Ken Cuccinelli, in the final eight days of his race for governor, told Liberty University students today he's proud of defending freedom, whether it's about his lawsuits against the federal government or an inmate wrongly imprisoned.

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who wants to be able to wrongly imprison people for blowjobs.
 
2013-10-28 04:46:32 PM

jigger: Infernalist: jigger: Tigger: rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.

But what about progressive philosophy? Progressives were usually eugenicists.

You're so adorably retarded.

Do you not know the history of the Progressive Movement?


"History" being the operative word.
 
2013-10-28 04:50:49 PM

qorkfiend: jigger: Infernalist: jigger: Tigger: rest assured that liberal philosophy applies a blanket prohibition to programs of this nature and will not pursue it.

But what about progressive philosophy? Progressives were usually eugenicists.

You're so adorably retarded.

Do you not know the history of the Progressive Movement?

"History" being the operative word.


That sort still try to make political hay over the fact that the southern traitors in the civil war were democrats.

Better to just mock them and move on.
 
2013-10-28 05:12:50 PM

Ashyukun: *face palm*

On one hand, it saddens me that this farkwit represents my state. On the other- keep talking, hopefully he'll talk himself into being primaried...


...the only way Rand Paul gets primaried is by an even crazier Tea Partier on the grounds that he's a RINO who's not conservative enough.
 
2013-10-28 05:18:11 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Paul likened the tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

Are you frightened enough to vote correctly yet? If not, I can tell you the yarn about the one-armed man. THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!


RAND PAUL was wit a voter on the campaign trail and his phone rigns. He anser it n the vioce is "wat r u derping wit my daughter?" He tells the voter n she say "my dad is ded". THEN WHO WAS PHONE?
 
2013-10-28 05:19:40 PM

Soup4Bonnie: simplicimus: I doubt there's much of a connection between DNA and academic performance in college.

Not surprising you'd take a Pro-swab position.


I just said a DNA swab would be useless. Now phrenology? That would be an useful indicator. Or you could use past grades and test scores, but that's just a silly superstition.
 
2013-10-28 05:20:41 PM
Dear Kentucky Voters who voted for Rand Paul:

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2013-10-28 05:21:20 PM

qorkfiend: "History" being the operative word.


But the philosophy remains: people need a strong central authority that uses force to achieve "the greater good" (as they see it). Even though the terms eugenics and racial hygiene are seen as distasteful these days, the concepts and practices could still arise in other, less recognizable forms, especially if they arise out of some progressive's idea of "the greater good."

Infernalist: That sort still try to make political hay over the fact that the southern traitors in the civil war were democrats.


Looks like you've got me mixed up with someone else.
 
2013-10-28 05:23:56 PM

jigger: But the philosophy remains: people need a strong central authority that uses force to achieve "the greater good" (as they see it). Even though the terms eugenics and racial hygiene are seen as distasteful these days, the concepts and practices could still arise in other, less recognizable forms, especially if they arise out of some progressive's idea of "the greater good."


Which is why it's progressives that are always trying to enforce their morality on people, twisting the law to mandate a Puritan idea of labor servitude, demanding control over womens' bodies, trying to force religion into the public square (again as a mechanism of controlling public morality) and so on and so forth. What is with you right-wing scum blaming everyone else for your own sins?
 
2013-10-28 05:23:56 PM

jigger: qorkfiend: "History" being the operative word.

But the philosophy remains: people need a strong central authority that uses force to achieve "the greater good" (as they see it). Even though the terms eugenics and racial hygiene are seen as distasteful these days, the concepts and practices could still arise in other, less recognizable forms, especially if they arise out of some progressive's idea of "the greater good."


WTF am I reading?
 
2013-10-28 05:24:51 PM

Diogenes: Paul likened the [DNA] tests to a potential eugenics program in which even college admissions could be determined by swabbing the inside of a cheek instead of measuring academic achievement.

He's probably thinking of how lucky he was such tests weren't used on him.


I thought colleges were evil bastions of lib-think.
Cheek swab the kindergarten classes. No use putting them through all that core curriculum testing stress.
Teach them to read, give them a few age-appropriate books a year-bingo.
More taxes put back in your pocket.
And let them get a job at 8or9 for chrissakes. Like fry cook apprentice, or something.


/used to be a spongebob meself
 
2013-10-28 05:26:45 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Upon hearing this news the honors pre-med students at Liberty were so shocked they could barely cast the bones required to determine if a patient's humours were so unbalanced they'd have to begin immediate phlogiston therapies.


This guy gets it.
See?


/funny you iz
 
2013-10-28 05:27:34 PM
They're still campaigning for him? I'm surprised the Pubes haven't given up on the Cooch as a lost cause. All of the latest polls have him down at least 7 points and an average of 10 points. That is not a margin they can swing in a week.
 
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