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(Daily Record (UK))   Wiggly, weaving road lines: traffic calming measure, or sad admission that most of your drivers are drunk and going to be weaving all over the road anyway?   (dailyrecord.co.uk) divider line 42
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2013-10-28 12:56:14 PM
And they drive on the left, too!
 
2013-10-28 12:57:01 PM
This seems to be a great example of, no matter what you do someone is going to complain.
 
2013-10-28 01:00:10 PM
If only they could put some sort of traffic sign every fifteen feet like Americans do, maybe they wouldn't have so many traffic fatalities Oh wait, it's the US that leads the First World in traffic fatalities.

Really, how is a Brit supposed to know to stop at an intersection if he isn't warned that there is an intersection ahead, then warned that the intersection has a stop sign, then warned that cross traffic is not going to stopped, then shown a "stop" sign?  It's madness.  THEY'RE GAMBLING WITH CHILDREN'S LIVES!!!!
 
2013-10-28 01:00:45 PM

AFKobel: This seems to be a great example of, no matter what you do someone is going to complain.


Really?  I would be willing to bet that it cost signficantly more money to do this than normal painting.  So thereby is a waste of money.  Also it's a stupid idea.
 
2013-10-28 01:02:47 PM
Jeebus, that type of traffic calming measure sucks. At least where I am, the two they mainly use are raised road hills or cut ins that are fairly spaced out and are not too numerous. This was the best choice they could agree to?
 
2013-10-28 01:02:48 PM
Nothing really to do with the story:

i758.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-28 01:03:21 PM
Some background: the UK traffic planning folks are putting a lot of work into traffic calming research with the aim of installing systems that reduce speed over long stretches of road and do not lead to either constant stop-start or brake-accelerate cycles as they contribute to local air pollution and just lead to people speeding between the stop-signs or speed bumps.

This looks like a trial for one such system.
 
2013-10-28 01:03:24 PM
That Banksy guy gets around.
 
2013-10-28 01:03:39 PM
Easier for drunks to follow.
 
2013-10-28 01:06:06 PM
Those curbs aren't bubble wrapped.
 
2013-10-28 01:08:23 PM

eas81: Nothing really to do with the story:

[i758.photobucket.com image 468x657]


My road just straightened.

//Chris Hansen is knocking, excuse me...
 
2013-10-28 01:08:26 PM
Roads are wibbly-wobbly timey wimey stuff.
 
2013-10-28 01:15:51 PM
What a dismayed Scottish farmer actually looks like:
i2.dailyrecord.co.uk

"Goad a'michty! Ma dampt hoovercraft's breemin' ower wi bluiddy eyls!"
 
2013-10-28 01:22:35 PM

Target Builder: Some background: the UK traffic planning folks are putting a lot of work into traffic calming research with the aim of installing systems that reduce speed over long stretches of road and do not lead to either constant stop-start or brake-accelerate cycles as they contribute to local air pollution and just lead to people speeding between the stop-signs or speed bumps.

This looks like a trial for one such system.


Cars get better fuel mileage by accelerating hard up to about 40, then coasting down to about 25, then accelerating hard back up to 40 again. That whole deal about engines being more efficient when working at near maximum capacity. Traveling at a constant 35mph will get you about half of what you get if you accelerate hard and then coast.
 
2013-10-28 01:29:17 PM
Or if you're Norway: Can't be arsed about following the old line in the center of the road when you're laying down a new layer of paint. Some places there were three center lines where it should only be one.
 
2013-10-28 01:32:00 PM
Fort Bliss has a few entry/egress points that look like Mario Karts.  Anyone know if this is typical of US military institutions?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-28 01:35:29 PM
I would love to know if there's any hard research done on the effects of speed humps. Not just on effectiveness at killing speed and saving lives, but also on the effect that the braking and acceleration has on pollution output from a car, plus all the extra wear and tear that goes into the car as it hits the bumps. Does it lead to any noticeable amount of increased demand for car parts, and thus industrial pollution in the fabrication process?

Personally i'm willing to try anything but speed bumps. I just hate them. I think they should just make the driving test much much tougher, and then grade people based on their results. People doing 90 on a motorway that's 70mph limit in the dry? Fine. 90 in the wet? Let's see your license, ah you passed with an A and your car is in good repair, off you go. 100 in the dry? License please, B? I'm sorry, that's 3 points and a £60 fine or you can sign up to re-take the test. It costs £140, but if you pass at the required A grade you get no fine.

Once you have a nation of great drivers you don't need traffic calming measures, because a great driver isn't going to do 50mph outside a school, which is pretty much the only place I can imagine traffic calming is actually needed, everything else is just wasting money.
 
2013-10-28 01:40:30 PM
Looks like they're adding curves to a straight road (see: the painted kerbs) to make sure people pay attention when driving. It may even be a trial. But that's not a story unless we find some disgruntled herders to complain about their sheep getting dizzy, or something.
 
2013-10-28 01:43:42 PM

Slaxl: I would love to know if there's any hard research done on the effects of speed humps. Not just on effectiveness at killing speed and saving lives, but also on the effect that the braking and acceleration has on pollution output from a car, plus all the extra wear and tear that goes into the car as it hits the bumps. Does it lead to any noticeable amount of increased demand for car parts, and thus industrial pollution in the fabrication process?

Personally i'm willing to try anything but speed bumps. I just hate them.


Be grateful you don't live in Mexico.  The wife and I drove from Cancun to Belize a couple of years ago, and their speedbumps (topes) are really just mini launching pads.  I hit more than one in the middle of the jungle going in excess of 100 km/hr and WHOOAAA!  And to see all of the rim gouges more than 10 meters away from the ramp is unbelievable.  Thank dios for Mexican rental cars!
 
2013-10-28 01:43:55 PM

tuna fingers: Fort Bliss has a few entry/egress points that look like Mario Karts.  Anyone know if this is typical of US military institutions?


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I've not seen that exact layout before, but they do all sorts of stuff to make it less likely to have straight, unobstructed, high-speed runs at the gates.  Monster speed bumps/humps/plateaus, deep rumble cuts, short curves, slaloms like Fort Bliss, etc.
 
2013-10-28 01:45:31 PM
If you think this is a good idea, kill yourself.
 
2013-10-28 01:55:32 PM
www.montrealmemes.com
It's funny because it's true.
 
2013-10-28 01:56:44 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

"Dan be daft, mon, there's nowt wrong wi those, they look foin!"
 
2013-10-28 01:58:44 PM
IT was hoped that the loopy lines would slow down motorists using the A811, but locals say they are "silly" and "a waste of money".

A: They're called "chicanes".
B: These guys cut some serious corners, this wouldn't slow ANYONE down.
C: There isn't really a "waste of money" there, those cute little curbs cost nothing compared to what it looks like when some city really puts the effort forth.

They had a road with these in Phoenix. Instead of just some decorative curbs on the side, they had full on medians, similar to the pic below, just one after the other. They worked and didn't work... In my Jeep, I could shoot the narrow channel down the center and go straight through. In anything wider, you have to weave a little. I actually think for the most part, they slow traffic and work. Once again, they are FAR better implemented than that bullshiat in TFA.
Here's one:
www.tcrpc-pa.org

Here's another:

upload.wikimedia.org

Those Scotts just kind of phoned it in...
 
2013-10-28 02:05:53 PM
.. isn't that Apple's maps ..?
 
2013-10-28 02:09:15 PM
So what problem, exactly, do these "traffic calming" measures solve anyway? I mean, I can see in a residential area wanting to do something like that if there's a serious issue with people speeding. But it seems like there are those who want these "solutions" implemented on main roads as well, and that is what I don't get at all.
 
2013-10-28 02:11:20 PM
Man, Why does Scotland get all the fun shiat?
 
2013-10-28 02:15:50 PM

"I would love to know if there's any hard research done on the effects of speed humps. Not just on effectiveness at killing speed and saving lives, but also on the effect that the braking and acceleration has on pollution output from a car, plus all the extra wear and tear that goes into the car as it hits the bumps. "


I know what your saying, but if someone's tires are hitting the humps they're going too fast. At least the ones I see on roads are less hard bumps than a rise in the road and the car should be rolling over it. Most I've seen look similar to this:


www.brentwood-tn.org

 
2013-10-28 02:20:37 PM

Mikey1969: IT was hoped that the loopy lines would slow down motorists using the A811, but locals say they are "silly" and "a waste of money".

A: They're called "chicanes".
B: These guys cut some serious corners, this wouldn't slow ANYONE down.
C: There isn't really a "waste of money" there, those cute little curbs cost nothing compared to what it looks like when some city really puts the effort forth.


No, but that is the point. Your point B. sums it up nicely. It wasn't thought through, or implemented properly, as a result it won't slow anyone down. That really does make it a waste of time.
 
2013-10-28 02:21:17 PM

Slaxl: Mikey1969: IT was hoped that the loopy lines would slow down motorists using the A811, but locals say they are "silly" and "a waste of money".

A: They're called "chicanes".
B: These guys cut some serious corners, this wouldn't slow ANYONE down.
C: There isn't really a "waste of money" there, those cute little curbs cost nothing compared to what it looks like when some city really puts the effort forth.

No, but that is the point. Your point B. sums it up nicely. It wasn't thought through, or implemented properly, as a result it won't slow anyone down. That really does make it a waste of time money.


I lost focus for a second.
 
2013-10-28 02:39:28 PM

Slaxl: Slaxl: Mikey1969: IT was hoped that the loopy lines would slow down motorists using the A811, but locals say they are "silly" and "a waste of money".

A: They're called "chicanes".
B: These guys cut some serious corners, this wouldn't slow ANYONE down.
C: There isn't really a "waste of money" there, those cute little curbs cost nothing compared to what it looks like when some city really puts the effort forth.

No, but that is the point. Your point B. sums it up nicely. It wasn't thought through, or implemented properly, as a result it won't slow anyone down. That really does make it a waste of time money.

I lost focus for a second.


I just don't see a huge outlay of cash on that problem, that was what I was trying to say. $200 for those little curbs, and they just restriped the road.. Sure, it's money wasted, but I think these people used more government resources complaining than were used on that road... I guess I should have said "hardly any" money wasted.
 
2013-10-28 02:49:17 PM

Mikey1969: Slaxl: Slaxl: Mikey1969: IT was hoped that the loopy lines would slow down motorists using the A811, but locals say they are "silly" and "a waste of money".

A: They're called "chicanes".
B: These guys cut some serious corners, this wouldn't slow ANYONE down.
C: There isn't really a "waste of money" there, those cute little curbs cost nothing compared to what it looks like when some city really puts the effort forth.

No, but that is the point. Your point B. sums it up nicely. It wasn't thought through, or implemented properly, as a result it won't slow anyone down. That really does make it a waste of time money.

I lost focus for a second.

I just don't see a huge outlay of cash on that problem, that was what I was trying to say. $200 for those little curbs, and they just restriped the road.. Sure, it's money wasted, but I think these people used more government resources complaining than were used on that road... I guess I should have said "hardly any" money wasted.


You may be right, but I fear when councils get spending taxpayer money tins of paint have to come from Peruvian paintworms, and the mixing spoon can only be made from wood from a tree known only to Tibetan monks... so it's more like $300.
 
2013-10-28 03:00:09 PM
Pikers.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-28 03:27:37 PM

skinink: "I would love to know if there's any hard research done on the effects of speed humps. Not just on effectiveness at killing speed and saving lives, but also on the effect that the braking and acceleration has on pollution output from a car, plus all the extra wear and tear that goes into the car as it hits the bumps. "
I know what your saying, but if someone's tires are hitting the humps they're going too fast. At least the ones I see on roads are less hard bumps than a rise in the road and the car should be rolling over it. Most I've seen look similar to this:
[www.brentwood-tn.org image 640x293]


IIRC, those are called Watts humps, and if you hit them 25 MPH or under, they're nothing.  Over 25 and you'll know it.  I have no problem with the Watts humps.  But those bolt-down speed bumps they use at the university here...you hit them at 3 MPH and you need a chiropractor.  Those things are retahdid.
 
2013-10-28 03:31:52 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-28 03:53:28 PM

SurfaceTension: So what problem, exactly, do these "traffic calming" measures solve anyway? I mean, I can see in a residential area wanting to do something like that if there's a serious issue with people speeding. But it seems like there are those who want these "solutions" implemented on main roads as well, and that is what I don't get at all.


So the basic idea is a good one.  Get people to slow down through residential or high-pedestrian neighborhoods through some other way than speed limits and stop signs everywhere (when everyone then ignores because there's a stop sign every 100 feet and it takes 87 years to get anywhere).  This also keeps people from using your cute little side-street as a major cut-through and forces them onto the choked arteries.

For those who want them implemented everywhere, that's simple.  Slowing people down makes them more likely to move closer to work, into Transit-oriented development, and take mass transit everywhere (which is for some reason considered a positive good in EVERY circumstance by these people).  The fact that this costs people money (since living in TOD is expensive, mass transit is slow, walking is slower, and making say, the entire SF peninsula into transit-accessible development is more or less impossible) and pisses them off immensely seems to escape them.
 
2013-10-28 04:29:43 PM
I like the little flappy sticks they put up in the middle of normal two-lane roads sometimes, for two reasons. One, they really do work to slow down traffic. Two, because if you're driving someone else's car or don't mind some scratches on the bumpers, it's fun to just swerve into them and mow them all down. (They pop right back up.)

/your local flappy sticks may vary
//test at low speeds on an inconspicuous part of vehicle before applying
 
2013-10-28 06:29:28 PM

Mad_Season: eas81: Nothing really to do with the story:

[i758.photobucket.com image 468x657]

My road just straightened.

//Chris Hansen is knocking, excuse me...


She's far from underage. If I'm not mistaken, that's Faith.
 
pla
2013-10-28 09:01:21 PM
Traffic "calming" has one major flaw with the entire concept.

You haven't convinced people to drive slower because they "perceive" the road as more dangerous - You have actually made the road more dangerous.

Congratulations, every child death on your wiggly lined "calm" road now goes right on your own head, local councilmen!
 
pla
2013-10-28 09:06:34 PM
Pawprint : If I'm not mistaken, that's Faith.

Dunno about you, but I'd pretend to believe for a shot at making her scream "oh god, oh god, oh god"...
 
2013-10-28 09:31:37 PM
Why not just try tricking people to do the speed limit? Put in a musical road.

/and since it's 'over there', make it a pub song
 
2013-10-28 11:01:28 PM
Is the point to have people busy screwing around with lines on the road.

Maybe real curbs on those lines would help.

It might be fun in the right car.
 
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