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2013-10-28 12:23:22 PM  
..."to mitigate these effects, researchers have proposed creating a Siri-like user interface, a virtual copilot that anthropomorphizes the drone and lets crews shunt off the blame for whatever happens. "


That's crazy.  They should, instead, try overlaying the battlefield with a virtual tiberium mining operation and appropriately label the good guys and the bad guys.
 
2013-10-28 12:30:45 PM  
What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?
 
2013-10-28 12:39:02 PM  
They need to screen the operators and select megalomaniacs who relish the feeling of God-like power of life and death over others.

The only problem is that it would probably end up weighting it heavily toward Republicans.
 
2013-10-28 12:45:17 PM  
Now, I want THAT iPhone!
 
2013-10-28 12:47:32 PM  
I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?
 
2013-10-28 12:48:50 PM  
Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.
 
2013-10-28 01:07:16 PM  
This will really come in handy when the drones start targeting American citizens.
 
2013-10-28 01:27:26 PM  

unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?


Sounds like a book I read...
 
2013-10-28 01:29:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This will really come in handy when the drones start targeting American citizens.


Start?
 
2013-10-28 01:33:01 PM  

naughtyrev: What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?


That's not quite what it said.  Re-read.
 
2013-10-28 01:35:45 PM  

unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?


Just a taste of armageddon?
 
2013-10-28 01:38:37 PM  

unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?


Hmm...maybe they could make it a game, or like a game simulation, call it ... Ender's Game.
 
2013-10-28 01:39:40 PM  

unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?


Maybe we could ask Ender about that approach....
 
2013-10-28 01:40:35 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?

Hmm...maybe they could make it a game, or like a game simulation, call it ... Ender's Game.


1 minute !!!

/your comment was better..
 
2013-10-28 01:43:50 PM  
You can't actually address Siri as Siri and have her understand you. This isn't Star Trek.

/stupid Siri
 
2013-10-28 01:47:22 PM  
i.ytimg.com

Does not approve.
 
2013-10-28 01:59:36 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.


It's like you never want to have to say "I was just following orders".
 
2013-10-28 02:04:58 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.


Yep.  Or we could just stop killing people altogether.

I mean, it's not like things are getting any better.   We keep killing people, and the survivors who didn't hate us learn to hate us  because of our own actions.  And they become people that we then feel we need to kill.  Which creates more people who hate us.

What's that definition of insanity?  Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?
 
2013-10-28 02:07:16 PM  

naughtyrev: What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?


For Christ sake!  Can we stop green lighting articles about this drone operator and the blatantly misrepresented kill totals?

That number is for his entire division
and Fark has had 5+ green lights in the past week on it.

/only you can stop the spread of misinformation
//done rant
 
2013-10-28 02:08:13 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Vulcan: Oh, this is our prototype. RX, uh, Intercontinental, radar-sneaky, multi-warheaded nuclear missile.
Baron Munchausen: Ah! What does it do?
Vulcan: Do? Kills the enemy.
Baron Munchausen: All the enemy?
Vulcan: Aye, all of them. All their wives, and all their children, and all their sheep, and all their cattle, and all their cats and dogs. All of them. All of them gone for good.
Sally: That's horrible.
Vulcan: Ahh. Well, you see, the advantage is you don't have to see one single one of them die. You just sit comfortably thousands of miles away from the battlefield and simply press the button.
Berthold: Well, where's the fun in that?
 
2013-10-28 02:09:18 PM  
We need the airforce to come out with their version of America's Army where you fly drones.   Get the general population to do your wetwork.
 
2013-10-28 02:09:56 PM  
Create a photorealistic drone simulator, charge people £5 an hour to play on it. Let 10 people play at the same time. One of those 10 piloted a real drone strike. No one knows who. Except me.
 
2013-10-28 02:11:17 PM  
GameSprocket:
Berthold: Well, where's the fun in that?

Knowing you outgeeked a bunch of mud-hut dwellers
 
2013-10-28 02:14:10 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.


You'd rather we do it indiscriminately with aerial bombardment? Or risk our troops on the ground?

So long as free will exists, there will always be at least some people wanting to kill us, whether for logical reasons, out of batshiat insanity, or due to some combination of both.

The only options are to remove their ability to act, whether by capturing and imprisoning them, reprogramming them, or killing them. The first is impractical, the second unfeasible, leaving us with the third option.
 
2013-10-28 02:16:36 PM  
I don't think the iPhone has that as an option.

Juiz could make it happen, though...

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=Smidge=
 
2013-10-28 02:18:07 PM  
s11.postimg.org
 
2013-10-28 02:19:11 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: naughtyrev: What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?

For Christ sake!  Can we stop green lighting articles about this drone operator and the blatantly misrepresented kill totals?

That number is for his entire division and Fark has had 5+ green lights in the past week on it.

/only you can stop the spread of misinformation
//done rant


FTFA: In total, the military estimates Bryant, specifically, contributed to the death of 1,626 human targets. "He hadn't lased the target or pulled the trigger on all of the deaths tallied," Power notes, "but by flying in the missions he felt he had enabled them."

How does the above quote misrepresent the kill totals?
 
2013-10-28 02:19:40 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.

You'd rather we do it indiscriminately with aerial bombardment? Or risk our troops on the ground?

So long as free will exists, there will always be at least some people wanting to kill us, whether for logical reasons, out of batshiat insanity, or due to some combination of both.

The only options are to remove their ability to act, whether by capturing and imprisoning them, reprogramming them, or killing them. The first is impractical, the second unfeasible, leaving us with the third option.


False choice. Who cares if someone in a hut in Pakistan wants Americans dead? Let em sit there and stew.
 
2013-10-28 02:19:50 PM  

Saiga410: We need the airforce to come out with their version of America's Army where you fly drones.   Get the general population to do your wetwork.


Don't give them ideas.

/Achievement unlocked
 
2013-10-28 02:21:22 PM  
look a 1600 kdr is not very good when nobody's shooting back

i'd like to see him break 2 in chivalry
 
2013-10-28 02:22:42 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: The only options are to remove their ability to act, whether by capturing and imprisoning them, reprogramming them, or killing them. The first is impractical, the second unfeasible, leaving us with the third option.


The first isn't impractical. Let local authorities deal with criminals within their own borders.

Some Taliban soldier with an AK-47 in Pakistan isn't an immediate threat to U.S. national security.
 
2013-10-28 02:22:58 PM  

Saiga410: We need the airforce to come out with their version of America's Army where you fly drones.   Get the general population to do your wetwork.


Battlefield 4?
 
2013-10-28 02:26:47 PM  
we need health care army.
 
2013-10-28 02:27:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: SmellsLikePoo: naughtyrev: What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?

For Christ sake!  Can we stop green lighting articles about this drone operator and the blatantly misrepresented kill totals?

That number is for his entire division and Fark has had 5+ green lights in the past week on it.

/only you can stop the spread of misinformation
//done rant

FTFA: In total, the military estimates Bryant, specifically, contributed to the death of 1,626 human targets. "He hadn't lased the target or pulled the trigger on all of the deaths tallied," Power notes, "but by flying in the missions he felt he had enabled them."

How does the above quote misrepresent the kill totals?


Because this article is just as misleading a much of the other "journalism" being passed around.

That total has been confirmed by the military to be his entire division's total during his career there. They did not track any stats for individual operators, or at least they did not share this with him.

I don't know how many people are in the division, but I'm sure its more than just him.
 
2013-10-28 02:27:30 PM  
On the right side, an article about Air Force drone operators suffering PTSD and inserting some AI to press the button.

On the left side, an advertisement from the Air Force about building autonomous drones in a collaboration with universities.

So, half baked contextual advertising from the company I sometimes suspect of harboring emergent AI's. It could connect drone to drone, but couldn't apply comprehension. When AI's can consistently apply comprehension to the advertising we'll talk about letting them push the buttons capable of war crimes.
 
2013-10-28 02:27:40 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.

You'd rather we do it indiscriminately with aerial bombardment? Or risk our troops on the ground?

So long as free will exists, there will always be at least some people wanting to kill us, whether for logical reasons, out of batshiat insanity, or due to some combination of both.

The only options are to remove their ability to act, whether by capturing and imprisoning them, reprogramming them, or killing them. The first is impractical, the second unfeasible, leaving us with the third option.


omnibus_necanda_sunt: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Or we could not blow up targets and civilians with drones. Just throwing that out there.

You'd rather we do it indiscriminately with aerial bombardment? Or risk our troops on the ground?

So long as free will exists, there will always be at least some people wanting to kill us, whether for logical reasons, out of batshiat insanity, or due to some combination of both.

The only options are to remove their ability to act, whether by capturing and imprisoning them, reprogramming them, or killing them. The first is impractical, the second unfeasible, leaving us with the third option.


Again.  False choice.  99.99% of all the people who hate us, will never lift a finger against us.  But you know instead of making people around the world hate us because we spend billions of dollars a day on bombs and bullets blowing them up and shooting them and their children dead, we could simply spend a tiny fraction of that amount on schools, and clean water, and basic healthcare.

But that would be productive.

One of the main reasons we are in Afghanistan is that after supplying the rebels with weapons to kick out the Soviets, we simply abandoned the country.  We had a golden (absolutely golden) opportunity to step in and fund a rebuild of that country for a tiny fraction of what we are spending now.  And we didn't.  Cause, I guess there's less profit in building a country than there is in blowing it up.
 
2013-10-28 02:30:43 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: You can't actually address Siri as Siri and have her understand you. This isn't Star Trek.

/stupid Siri


Siwwy, instwuct the dwone to bwow up those tewwowists but weave the civiwians awone.
 
2013-10-28 02:32:25 PM  
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2013-10-28 02:33:01 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: naughtyrev: What I find remarkable is that this one guy is responsible for 1600 kills. How many drone operators do we have?

For Christ sake!  Can we stop green lighting articles about this drone operator and the blatantly misrepresented kill totals?

That number is for his entire division and Fark has had 5+ green lights in the past week on it.

/only you can stop the spread of misinformation
//done rant


You've just finished your enlistment period and your commanders want you back, because you're good. You're so good that you don't realize how good you are. So your commanders pull you into a room and say 'Listen, kid, we need you. You've done so well that you've participated in at least 1600 confirmed kills'. Does your brain kick in and say 'pfft no way I could have personally ended 1600 lives, I didn't pull the trigger on enough missions.' Or do you consider yourself a monster for having mercilessly slaughtered 1600 people from the comfort of home?
 
2013-10-28 02:34:55 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: I don't know how many people are in the division, but I'm sure its more than just him.


He's an army of one.
 
2013-10-28 02:36:55 PM  

manwithplanx: You've just finished your enlistment period and your commanders want you back, because you're good. You're so good that you don't realize how good you are. So your commanders pull you into a room and say 'Listen, kid, we need you. You've done so well that you've participated in at least 1600 confirmed kills'. Does your brain kick in and say 'pfft no way I could have personally ended 1600 lives, I didn't pull the trigger on enough missions.' Or do you consider yourself a monster for having mercilessly slaughtered 1600 people from the comfort of home?


This is a worthy question that we, as a society, need to ask, but let's debate the facts!
 
2013-10-28 02:37:01 PM  

oldweasel: unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?

Maybe we could ask Ender about that approach....


Or Buster Bleuth
 
2013-10-28 02:37:34 PM  

unyon: I suppose the next step would be to remove the guilt over killing people- by not letting them know.  Treat everything like a simulation, a video game.

Of course, you could also just remove human pilots from the situation and go straight to the autonomous arial HK unit.  Isn't that our destiny anyways?


I like the idea of that.  To add more subterfuge, add additional missions that don't actually kill anybody.  The pilots will never know when they actually hit a real target or when they are are just playing the "game".

/Bonus mod packs could move things even further from reality.
 
2013-10-28 02:37:41 PM  

Cheron: [s11.postimg.org image 750x422]


Noblesse oblige
 
2013-10-28 02:38:28 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-28 02:39:49 PM  
Just use a computer to overlay an SS badge and swastikas on all of the insurgents clothing. A lot less people were this upset about killing Nazis in WWII.
 
2013-10-28 02:40:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-28 02:46:50 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: manwithplanx: You've just finished your enlistment period and your commanders want you back, because you're good. You're so good that you don't realize how good you are. So your commanders pull you into a room and say 'Listen, kid, we need you. You've done so well that you've participated in at least 1600 confirmed kills'. Does your brain kick in and say 'pfft no way I could have personally ended 1600 lives, I didn't pull the trigger on enough missions.' Or do you consider yourself a monster for having mercilessly slaughtered 1600 people from the comfort of home?

This is a worthy question that we, as a society, need to ask, but let's debate the facts!


And the facts are that this young man signed up to serve his country and now has significant mental dysfunction because he participated in the deaths of 1600 people from an armchair. If he feels the weight of 1600 deaths on his shoulders why should the media actively try to lessen the impact that makes on people? It's not their job to ensure news lands softly.
 
2013-10-28 02:56:25 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Saiga410: We need the airforce to come out with their version of America's Army where you fly drones.   Get the general population to do your wetwork.

Don't give them ideas.

/Achievement unlocked


I do not see it working though.  You would get idiots like me that whenever they get their hands on a ground attack flight sim, 9 times out of ten get target tunnel vision and forget the altimeter.  Ya, ya get some, get som... crash into the target without ever attemption to pull up.

That would get costly fast.
 
2013-10-28 02:56:25 PM  

manwithplanx: SmellsLikePoo: manwithplanx: You've just finished your enlistment period and your commanders want you back, because you're good. You're so good that you don't realize how good you are. So your commanders pull you into a room and say 'Listen, kid, we need you. You've done so well that you've participated in at least 1600 confirmed kills'. Does your brain kick in and say 'pfft no way I could have personally ended 1600 lives, I didn't pull the trigger on enough missions.' Or do you consider yourself a monster for having mercilessly slaughtered 1600 people from the comfort of home?

This is a worthy question that we, as a society, need to ask, but let's debate the facts!

And the facts are that this young man signed up to serve his country and now has significant mental dysfunction because he participated in the deaths of 1600 people from an armchair. If he feels the weight of 1600 deaths on his shoulders why should the media actively try to lessen the impact that makes on people? It's not their job to ensure news lands softly.


The only true responsibility of the media is to report on the facts.  The number, 1600 that you keep quoting, is NOT attributed to him personally (that is a DIVISION TOTAL), but every damn article seems to quote that is truth without fact checking with the original sources.

You say that you want an honest conversation about this, well let's deal with the truth, not an eye catching headline.
 
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