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2013-10-28 11:55:01 AM
I doubt the main RSO at my local range can read much less read people...but at least he can manage the safety rules.
 
2013-10-28 11:59:06 AM
Which is why many ranges will not let you rent a firearm unless you are with somebody or have brought a firearm of your own.
 
2013-10-28 12:08:18 PM
Then there is the woman who shot her son in the back of the head at a range.
//to save him
 
2013-10-28 12:12:20 PM
Suicide? No.. These people were just mis-informed that the guns dispense Ice Cream. They Do, but lead flavoured.

Seriously, I am surprised that anyone would go to a shooting range for a suicide. Come on..
 
2013-10-28 12:12:28 PM
One of the more interesting/depressing thigns I learned about my job (I work for the Army Corps of Engineers) was learning that our park maintance people have an SOP for handling suicides that happen in the park. I was surprised that it happened often enough to warant actually having a set plan for employees to follow, but apparantly they find one or two a month at the parks we manage. I guess it's really common for people to drive out to a secluded area in a big park before they off themselves.
 
2013-10-28 12:12:41 PM

monoski: Then there is the woman who shot her son in the back of the head at a range.
//to save him


There was a spider on his head.
 
2013-10-28 12:13:02 PM
If there haven't been any incidents at his range, how has he "learned" to read people?  One needs feedback to learn.
 
2013-10-28 12:16:54 PM

error 303: One of the more interesting/depressing thigns I learned about my job (I work for the Army Corps of Engineers) was learning that our park maintance people have an SOP for handling suicides that happen in the park. I was surprised that it happened often enough to warant actually having a set plan for employees to follow, but apparantly they find one or two a month at the parks we manage. I guess it's really common for people to drive out to a secluded area in a big park before they off themselves.


Of course, it's probably what I would do too. Google Japan's suicude forest, if you don't already know about it. Creepy.
 
2013-10-28 12:20:06 PM
I don't think there's any perfect way to prevent suicides at public ranges.  It's a very rare event, and even ranges which don't offer rentals have suicides.  While tragic, there are lots of much worse places for somebody to commit suicide with a firearm.

There are groups promoting the distribution of suicide prevention literature at gun stores and ranges, though many of these groups come across more as anti-gun than anti-suicide.
 
2013-10-28 12:26:00 PM
The man to whom he refused service was tight-lipped, LeVan said, and, "that's a dead giveaway that he was going to do something silly."

Strange choice of adjective to describe someone blowing a hole through their skull with a firearm, but whatever.
 
2013-10-28 12:27:40 PM

FoxEWolf: Suicide? No.. These people were just mis-informed that the guns dispense Ice Cream. They Do, but lead flavoured.

Seriously, I am surprised that anyone would go to a shooting range for a suicide. Come on..



Not surprising at all, since the presence of guns increases the risk/likelihood of suicide.  Before I get all the gun nuts in here saying, "OMG BUT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD JUST JUMP OFF A BRIDGE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GUN!!!"  That's simply not true.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-an d- use/
 
2013-10-28 12:31:38 PM
I used to use a range in FL and what I'd normally do is fire one round and then wheel back the target to see where it landed.  While i was loading up the magazine i saw a VERY concerned- and apprehensive-looking employee come by the window and look in.  It didn't occur to me a single shot then a few minutes of silence made them think lol.  Since that day I'd shoot two rounds.

/Boring Story bro
 
2013-10-28 12:32:10 PM
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Pez or Glock.  Your choice.
 
2013-10-28 12:32:18 PM

error 303: One of the more interesting/depressing thigns I learned about my job (I work for the Army Corps of Engineers) was learning that our park maintance people have an SOP for handling suicides that happen in the park. I was surprised that it happened often enough to warant actually having a set plan for employees to follow, but apparantly they find one or two a month at the parks we manage. I guess it's really common for people to drive out to a secluded area in a big park before they off themselves.


There are two types of suicide:

1. Depression: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

They plan their end as to cause minimal spectacle and do it in some secluded area. Aokigahara: Japan's Haunted Forest of Death

2. Attention Whore: Fark You.

These do it in some conspicuous place with the intent of causing emotional harm to specific people they felt slighted by. e.g. in the house or on the property of said target.
 
2013-10-28 12:32:53 PM
Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?
 
2013-10-28 12:33:23 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?


Because they want to go out with a bang.
 
2013-10-28 12:35:22 PM
They just need to put up a big yellow sign in the gun range that says "No Suicide Zone".
That'll stop it.
 
2013-10-28 12:35:27 PM

KidneyStone: I used to use a range in FL and what I'd normally do is fire one round and then wheel back the target to see where it landed.  While i was loading up the magazine i saw a VERY concerned- and apprehensive-looking employee come by the window and look in.  It didn't occur to me a single shot then a few minutes of silence made them think lol.  Since that day I'd shoot two rounds.

/Boring Story bro


Maybe you're just double-tapping now? Might still spook 'em.
 
2013-10-28 12:37:40 PM

hardinparamedic: abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?

Because they want to go out with a bang.


Should I laugh at that? No.
Was it pretty funny? Mostly.
Am I going to hell? More than likely.
 
2013-10-28 12:39:11 PM

Combustion: hardinparamedic: abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?

Because they want to go out with a bang.

Should I laugh at that? No.
Was it pretty funny? Mostly.
Am I going to hell? More than likely.


Heh.

But really. That's why they do it. They want to give one last, gigantic traumatic middle finger to society for getting them to that point. And bearing witness to someone's head asploading, and making them clean up their brain sauce from the walls and ceiling is their way of doing so.

One last "fark you".
 
2013-10-28 12:39:15 PM

bopis: They just need to put up a big yellow sign in the gun range that says "No Suicide Zone".
That'll stop it.


Maybe if they banned guns at the shooting range, that would help too.

/eye keed
 
2013-10-28 12:39:17 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?


I know a dude who did this. He was on the list of people who are not sane enough to buy a gun so he went to the range, got a gun and shot himself in the chest (the even more odd part was he did not hit any vital organs and lived)
 
2013-10-28 12:45:49 PM

kid_icarus: The man to whom he refused service was tight-lipped, LeVan said, and, "that's a dead giveaway that he was going to do something silly."

Strange choice of adjective to describe someone blowing a hole through their skull with a firearm, but whatever.


The *Bomb*, Dmitri... The *hydrogen* bomb!... Well now, what happened is... ahm... one of our base commanders, he had a sort of... well, he went a little funny in the head... you know... just a little... funny. And, ah... he went and did a silly thing... Well, I'll tell you what he did.
 
2013-10-28 12:45:50 PM
Why does everyone have to dress alike to use a gun range?
 
2013-10-28 12:48:56 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?


Somebody is going to be inconvenienced when you shoot yourself, there is no getting around it.  Now if I shoot myself in the bedroom or living room I will scatter brians everywhere, there will be a hole either in the wall (which could end up out of the house hitting a bystandard) or the ceiling (causing damage that will need to be repaired or possible major damage to the house durring the next rainstorm).  If I do it proper with 00 buck the hole will be huge and so will the mess, blood and brains everywhere (I have pics I could post for examples but drew wouldnt like that).  Now if I blow my head off in the bathroom, still a big mess and big whole, now the tile is going to need to be replaced.  I could blow my head off in the yard but then its a neighborhood issue in the front yard (can you imagine the future neighbor converstations?) or the dogs will be eating daddy in the back yard which will make for uncomfortable petting with the pets for the rest of the family.  Blowing your head off in or around your house leads to either serious cost, serious issues or really bad discussions with the neighbors.

This is the conversation I had with my mother who is going to blow her head off 'somewhere' when her health deteriorates past a certain unknown point.  I got her to agree to just take a handful of painkillers in the bathtub.  Because she loves me.

However if you kill yourself in public, its both a public shaming for the rest of the family but it alleviates the followup cleanup that is now the problem of somebody else.  The city or the property owner will likely sue the now grieving family for cost, but hey, somebody has to pay.

We need this:
i2.kym-cdn.com
Should be mandatory on every street corner that isnt rich.

/bag of helium will do me just fine.
//Going to do it on rick perrys porch, let him farking clean up the mess cuz fark that guy.
 
2013-10-28 12:50:32 PM
No, Subby, put the gun in your mouth and then squeeze the trigger...
 
2013-10-28 12:50:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Combustion: hardinparamedic: abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?

Because they want to go out with a bang.

Should I laugh at that? No.
Was it pretty funny? Mostly.
Am I going to hell? More than likely.

Heh.

But really. That's why they do it. They want to give one last, gigantic traumatic middle finger to society for getting them to that point. And bearing witness to someone's head asploading, and making them clean up their brain sauce from the walls and ceiling is their way of doing so.

One last "fark you".


Train jumpers are the worst.  You couldn't at least wait until after peak hours?
 
2013-10-28 12:51:03 PM
In these tough economic times gun ranges could unofficially become suicide centers for a little extra profit. Just make them entirely out of stainless steel with some drains in the floor, and hose the place down at the end of each day.
 
2013-10-28 12:51:24 PM

kid_icarus: The man to whom he refused service was tight-lipped, LeVan said, and, "that's a dead giveaway that he was going to do something silly."

Strange choice of adjective to describe someone blowing a hole through their skull with a firearm, but whatever.


Yeah, but you didn't see the guy...

fc03.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-28 12:52:27 PM
It is Pennsylvania. At least they have the courtesy of not doing death by motor vehicle and shutting down the highway for six hours.
 
2013-10-28 12:52:39 PM
Hey, I've used that range - the one whose manager they interviewed, not the no-comment one.
 
2013-10-28 12:57:03 PM

monoski: abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?

I know a dude who did this. He was on the list of people who are not sane enough to buy a gun so he went to the range, got a gun and shot himself in the chest (the even more odd part was he did not hit any vital organs and lived)


Methinks he might not have been that serious about it, then. I knew a guy who did the same thing (with a 22 rifle, so nothing that high-powered), and he was most certainly banking on surviving and was more interested in getting the attention of his wife who had just left him.

/she didn't care
//great plan there, bud
 
2013-10-28 12:58:21 PM

BitwiseShift: It is Pennsylvania. At least they have the courtesy of not doing death by motor vehicle and shutting down the highway for six hours.


reminds me of the guy in CT who jumped off a bridge onto I-95 and shut the highway down for about 4 hours, wife damn near pissed her pants.
 
2013-10-28 12:59:22 PM

BitwiseShift: It is Pennsylvania. At least they have the courtesy of not doing death by motor vehicle and shutting down the highway for six hours.


That's a service mostly provided by deer.
 
2013-10-28 12:59:31 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?


I suspect most of them don't own a gun, and most ranges offer rentals.
 
2013-10-28 01:00:29 PM
orclover: This is the conversation I had with my mother who is going to blow her head off 'somewhere' when her health deteriorates past a certain unknown point. I got her to agree to just take a handful of painkillers in the bathtub. Because she loves me.

My dad's boss committed suicide sitting in his chair in the living room.  His eldest son found him. Hazmat teams had to be called.

My dad said if he can't say he would never commit suicide, but if he did, he would walk out into a field somewhere in the middle of no where.  I appreciate that.  I mean, not really, but considering the alternative?  I'd rather not have nightmares about finding my own father dead in the living room.

You'll agree with me, based on the conversation you had with your mother, but I think this is kind of an important conversation to have with the people you love, especially those who are reaching their elderly years.  Neither of my parents wants to end up severly ill to the point that they can no longer function.  So we've had this conversation.  That way, while I wil be devastated to lose them, should it happen, the shock might be slightly lessened.

/CSS
 
2013-10-28 01:02:09 PM
Random Internet Persona: My dad said if he can't say he would never commit suicide

Sorry for the extra "if."
 
2013-10-28 01:04:14 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself? Just do it at home. Why do asshole that commit suicide always seem to have to inconvenience other people?


Ease. If you want to buy a handgun it's $500 plus ammo cost and a five business day waiting period. With a long arm, you gotta go home and cut down the barrel. At a range it's rental fees and no wait. But honestly it doesn't happen that often. There's something like 20k firearm suicides annually, most probably happen at home.
 
2013-10-28 01:09:46 PM

Chummer45: FoxEWolf: Suicide? No.. These people were just mis-informed that the guns dispense Ice Cream. They Do, but lead flavoured.

Seriously, I am surprised that anyone would go to a shooting range for a suicide. Come on..


Not surprising at all, since the presence of guns increases the risk/likelihood of suicide.  Before I get all the gun nuts in here saying, "OMG BUT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD JUST JUMP OFF A BRIDGE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GUN!!!"  That's simply not true.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-an d- use/


You are correct. The availability of firearms is why the United States of America's suicide rate is an appalling 12 incidents per 100,000 residents, while nations with stricter firearm regulation experience much lower suicide rates, such as Canada (11.5 per 100,000 residents), the United Kingdom (11.8 per 100,000 residents), Austria (12.8 per 100,000 residents), France (14.7 per 100,000 residents) and Belgium (17 per 100,000 residents).
 
2013-10-28 01:12:53 PM

Chummer45: Not surprising at all, since the presence of guns increases the risk/likelihood of suicide.


Yes, I'm sure all these people were completely normal, well adjusted individuals who had absolutely no intention of committing suicide before they walked into the gun range, but the presence of guns there made them do it...
 
2013-10-28 01:14:23 PM

abhorrent1: Why go to a gun range just to shoot yourself?


To rent a gun.

As mentioned above, many ranges will not guns rent to lone users. It's a smart policy.
 
2013-10-28 01:15:13 PM

uncleacid: Why does everyone have to dress alike to use a gun range?


Because they just google searched "gun range" and didn't realize they had a picture of a police training range... where suicides are no doubt common...
 
2013-10-28 01:16:45 PM

El Brujo: Japan's suicude forest


I shouldn't have done that
 
2013-10-28 01:39:12 PM

El Brujo: Of course, it's probably what I would do too. Google Japan's suicude forest, if you don't already know about it. Creepy.


Yeah, just don't GIS it.
 
2013-10-28 01:44:11 PM
Assuming you don't want to traumatize your family with a messy corpse, where better? I'd think gun enthusiasts would be the least offended by the display of the end result of their hobby.
 
2013-10-28 01:49:26 PM

Dimensio: Chummer45: FoxEWolf: Suicide? No.. These people were just mis-informed that the guns dispense Ice Cream. They Do, but lead flavoured.

Seriously, I am surprised that anyone would go to a shooting range for a suicide. Come on..


Not surprising at all, since the presence of guns increases the risk/likelihood of suicide.  Before I get all the gun nuts in here saying, "OMG BUT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD JUST JUMP OFF A BRIDGE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GUN!!!"  That's simply not true.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-an d- use/

You are correct. The availability of firearms is why the United States of America's suicide rate is an appalling 12 incidents per 100,000 residents, while nations with stricter firearm regulation experience much lower suicide rates, such as Canada (11.5 per 100,000 residents), the United Kingdom (11.8 per 100,000 residents), Austria (12.8 per 100,000 residents), France (14.7 per 100,000 residents) and Belgium (17 per 100,000 residents).


I don't have a dog in this fight and don't necessarily believe Chummer's claim but your numbers don't really refute them... for all you know the UK would be 15.8 if the firearm regulations were more lax, you're comparing the entire population of a bunch of totally different places and seemingly suggesting that differences in gun control are the only difference between their otherwise identical populations.

That Harvard link talks at length about controlling socioeconomic factors across the US when comparing intra-state suicides, I doubt some numbers fetched from Wikipedia have the same normalization.  I'm ready to be proven wrong, but absent other facts Harvard research seems a bit more credible, considering the economy/mental health resources/education/etc in their study that your random numbers don't.
 
2013-10-28 01:50:29 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Assuming you don't want to traumatize your family with a messy corpse, where better? I'd think gun enthusiasts would be the least offended by the display of the end result of their hobby.


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2013-10-28 01:52:18 PM
I didn't know that suicide at the gun range happened that often.
It happened around here - there was a firearms safety class at the gun range, and at the end of the class, a woman in the class picked up a gun and killed herself.
 
2013-10-28 01:59:26 PM

Chummer45: Not surprising at all, since the presence of guns increases the risk/likelihood of suicide.


That's why japan is so bad, all the guns.
 
2013-10-28 01:59:52 PM

J. Frank Parnell: In these tough economic times gun ranges could unofficially become suicide centers for a little extra profit. Just make them entirely out of stainless steel with some drains in the floor, and hose the place down at the end of each day.


dr. kevorkian, is that you?
 
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