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(NPR)   A closer look at Facebook's attempt to perfect facial recognition software and tear the lid off the last remaining vestige of privacy   (npr.org) divider line 30
    More: Scary, Facebook, enemy of the state, computer vision, mobile apps, Electronic Privacy, facial recognition technology, Los Angeles County  
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2013-10-28 09:51:14 AM
Terrible, isn't it? Now Facebook will know who you are and who your friends are!
 
2013-10-28 09:59:34 AM
Non story.  Let's move on to the next fake paranoiac outrage, please.
 
2013-10-28 10:02:32 AM
Que the Facebook apologists that will say that Facebook is a public space.
It's not.
That's like saying Google is scanning my emails.

/what?
 
2013-10-28 10:05:21 AM
The biggest problem will be the 9 billion anonymous internet nude pictures will now have names attached to them.
 
2013-10-28 10:09:24 AM
You know, some days I wish I had been born to where I wouldn't have to live through this whole internet thing.

This is one of those days.
 
2013-10-28 10:11:06 AM
Once they get that up and running to the point where it functions as well as the fingerprint or NCIC databases it will be a significant source of revenue for Facebook.
 
2013-10-28 10:14:53 AM
Privacy online is dead.. I remember all those lessons as a kid saying that it is never a good idea to put your information online at all. Kids today do it with no regard to safety. Once they hit Facebook, it is all down hill.
 
2013-10-28 10:20:26 AM
Here is hoping kids do it like my kid and skip Facebook for the next thing like snapchat or vines. At least those are weaker than Facebook or google
 
2013-10-28 10:24:23 AM
I usually take the difference between the SR-71 Blackbird and the most advanced commercial plane when it was developed ( huge leap in technology) and assume that the government has that kind of advancement for any technology at any point. So if a commercial company can identify a picture against a set database with 95 percent accuracy, the government probably already has the ability to identify from security camera images.
 
2013-10-28 10:30:20 AM
"You are being watched. Marketing has a secret system: a machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know, because I built it. I designed the machine to detect acts of Asshatery, but it sees everything. Stupidity involving ordinary people; people like you. Stupidity the Ad Agencies considered 'irrelevant'. They wouldn't act, so I decided I would. But I needed a willing partner, a company with the skills to intervene. Admired by by the NSA, we work in secret. You'll never find us, but dumbass or bystander, if your number's up... we'll find you".
 
2013-10-28 10:30:25 AM
Facebook thinks I'm Moby.

(dick joke goes here)
 
2013-10-28 10:33:52 AM
You are Facebook's product.

Facebook is buying and selling YOU.

I have no idea what the fark the practical upshot of this is, but it sounds edgy and dark doesn't it?
 
2013-10-28 10:36:39 AM

TheGreatGazoo: The biggest problem will be the 9 billion anonymous internet nude pictures will now have names attached to them.


That assumes they perfect non-facial recognition.

/fap?
 
2013-10-28 10:42:19 AM
TinEye does a pretty good job already. A random test: there is an actress on "The Office," Jenna Fischer, who must have many pictures on the internet. Can the TinEye software find a particular picture of Jenna Fischer posted on Fark over four years ago? How long does the TinEye search take?


Here is the picture:
img.fark.net
Success. it found the Fark image in this thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/4510972/High-school-girls-softball-coach- fired-for-hosting-an-end-of-season-cookout-at-his-home-where-beer-was- served-FARK-Not-to-students-to-other-parents
Search took 1.249 seconds and searched 3.9725 billion images.

Google image search does even better. It finds the Fark image and about two dozen "visually similar" face matches, all Jenna's.
 
2013-10-28 10:54:32 AM
First vestige of Privacy - Do Not Facebook
 
2013-10-28 10:59:47 AM
I've been saying for many years that we live in a historically unusual bubble of anonymity. It wasn't that long ago that the vast majority of people lived in small towns, tribes, clans, or whatever, in which everyone knew everyone else. You could not do much of anything, including date someone, without everyone you knew knowing.

And it won't be long before all the still and video images taken by security cameras and cell phones are available online, and software exists to process and index them.  Looking for someone? Oh, there's the most recent picture of him, putting gas in his car at the corner station about 3 minutes ago.

So this period we've been living in, between the time that cities got big enough for a person to be somewhat anonymous, and when technology makes anonymity nearly impossible, will be seen as unusual, I think.
 
2013-10-28 11:05:48 AM

Delay: TinEye does a pretty good job already. A random test: there is an actress on "The Office," Jenna Fischer, who must have many pictures on the internet. Can the TinEye software find a particular picture of Jenna Fischer posted on Fark over four years ago? How long does the TinEye search take?


Here is the picture:

Success. it found the Fark image in this thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/4510972/High-school-girls-softball-coach- fired-for-hosting-an-end-of-season-cookout-at-his-home-where-beer-was- served-FARK-Not-to-students-to-other-parents
Search took 1.249 seconds and searched 3.9725 billion images.

Google image search does even better. It finds the Fark image and about two dozen "visually similar" face matches, all Jenna's.


Facebook sucks. Jenna is awesome. That is all.
 
2013-10-28 11:11:17 AM

super_grass: Terrible, isn't it? Now Facebook will know who you are and who your friends are!


You shortsighted idiots are perfecting the prison in which your children will dwell. The end result of this research is third party profit like everything else about the book.
 
2013-10-28 11:13:49 AM
Cue the whinging.

Okay, folks, when you post something online? You're posting it into someone else's house. It's not even just "Public space", but simply, "This is my house and I write the rules as I see fit". It's not a Democracy, it's not a case where you get to whine and say "You should listen to the people and let us write your rules for you", simply put, your only choice is not to participate.

If a friend posts a photo of you there, and you don't consent to that, then it's between you and your friend to sort out. If the photo is taken in public space, then you have no recourse, as no release is required. If the photo is taken at a private party, then your recourse is significantly little, all things considered. But quit biatching at a server that balances a face against another face to see if they're similar. The only way the facial recognition software works properly is if you've made a profile there yourself, and uploaded photos there yourself, and confirmed yourself as being in a photo at least a few times.

TL:DR: Quit your biatching, your problems are your own, stop blaming the amorphous "System" for being caught on film vomiting onto a naked midget in Times Square.
 
2013-10-28 11:15:27 AM

TheGreatGazoo: The biggest problem will be the 9 billion anonymous internet nude pictures will now have names attached to them.


Nah you can't see my face but your mom is going to have some splainin to do.
 
2013-10-28 11:15:29 AM

fark'emfeed'emfish: super_grass: Terrible, isn't it? Now Facebook will know who you are and who your friends are!

You shortsighted idiots are perfecting the prison in which your children will dwell. The end result of this research is third party profit like everything else about the book.


Dude! You posted this on the internet! Now you'll have to activate your mom's basement's self-destruct sequence!
 
2013-10-28 11:19:34 AM

Herb Utsmelz: Non story.  Let's move on to the next fake paranoiac outrage, please.


Like Obama taking guns away?
 
2013-10-28 11:21:29 AM
I can't believe people know who I am. I guess I need to start burying the bodies.
 
2013-10-28 11:23:28 AM
All I know is that it is creepy! My dad posted a pic of me and him when I was about a year and a half old and Facebook knew it was me! I mean I look a lot younger than I actually am, but not THAT young!
 
2013-10-28 11:49:15 AM

Delay: Google image search does even better. It finds the Fark image and about two dozen "visually similar" face matches, all Jenna's.


When I right click and "google this image" it googles the picture and automatically adds "jenna fischer self".

I don't know where it gets the "jenna fisher self". My guess is that particular image gets searched for enough that google has tags for it.

If I crop everything but her face and GIS it, I get results for "hot girl softball" and the similar images show the original.

My point is, what Google does isn't facial recognition, it's image identification, which is much easier.
 
2013-10-28 12:05:10 PM

TheGreatGazoo: The biggest problem will be the 9 billion anonymous internet nude pictures will now have names attached to them.


Weird...I have WAY more than that.
 
2013-10-28 03:40:24 PM
When I read "1984", I wondered why they didn't just turn off the TV. Ha! Got to get back to CarTown
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-28 07:58:56 PM
Some agencies and states are working to increase sharing of mug shots and department of motor vehicles photos. But as of right now, we simply don't have a universal database of faces.

Coming soon. For several years states have run facial recognition programs on their own databases to detect duplicates. The obstacle to a nationwide system is inertia rather than technology.

People resisted REAL ID so the government took a circuitous route to a similar end.
 
2013-10-29 11:27:40 AM
FB's cutting-edge facial recognition asked if I wanted to tag a friend in a photo of a horse's leg.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-29 11:58:51 AM
FB's cutting-edge facial recognition asked if I wanted to tag a friend in a photo of a horse's leg.

iPhoto wanted me to name a friend's crotch, but I'm not going to do that unless she starts sleeping with me.
 
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