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2013-10-28 09:02:16 AM  
7 votes:
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2013-10-28 09:37:14 AM  
5 votes:
1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations.

2) Fashionistas

Even if they were, they are soulless automatons without conscience or regard for others. So it doesn't matter.
2013-10-28 10:17:33 AM  
4 votes:

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


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2013-10-28 10:10:30 AM  
4 votes:

doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.
2013-10-28 09:54:58 AM  
3 votes:

"1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."


Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.

2013-10-28 09:38:31 AM  
3 votes:

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Which really doesn't matter. If it is racist one way, it is racist all ways.
2013-10-28 09:32:32 AM  
3 votes:
Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.
2013-10-28 09:04:40 AM  
3 votes:
I wouldn't say it's NEVER been funny.

We might not find it funny right now, but in the 20s, it was a f*cking riot, apparently.

Also, what RedPhoenix122 said.
2013-10-28 08:34:55 AM  
3 votes:
Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.
2013-10-28 11:08:09 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah, but black people in whiteface is funny. Well when these black people stop THEIR racism (which they are far worse than whites), I will stop thinking of them by that little word they call themselves all day long. Just remember, white men can't jump, but black men can't swim. :)

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2013-10-28 10:40:48 AM  
2 votes:
So if you're trying to dress up as a black character, what's the appropriate way to do it?

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"Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended."
― Salman Rushdie
2013-10-28 10:25:05 AM  
2 votes:

StrikitRich: I think Eddie Murphy was doing a little bit more than parodying blackface.


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Murphy has discussed how the character of the old Jewish guy was an homage to several men he grew up around in his youth. Their stories became a way for him to develop situation-based characters, so there is of course a more serious basis than general parody. The corporate white guy is a fairly specific class and race reversal of Black Like Me. So yeah, Murphy usually does have a more specific context that he works in. Point taken.
2013-10-28 10:19:01 AM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.


And I can't think of one example in recent memory where a white person put on blackface and the joke was, "Look how stupid black people look." Those who don't understand context are farking idiots.
2013-10-28 10:18:40 AM  
2 votes:
If you are dressing up as a specific character, the goal is to look as much like that character as possible.

It's not like she was doing some broad stereotypical black person costume.

Get over it.
2013-10-28 10:12:17 AM  
2 votes:
Note to celebrities: blackface is not funny, it never has been funny, it never will be funny. What the fark is wrong with you idiots?

And I bet you have a friend that is black too.

/someone's trying too hard
2013-10-28 10:08:04 AM  
2 votes:
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gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...


Sometimes it is.
2013-10-28 10:05:12 AM  
2 votes:
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doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


I'll see your 'White Girls' and raise you a 'White Chicks'
2013-10-28 09:59:43 AM  
2 votes:
Comedy is not funny! What's wrong with you people?
2013-10-28 09:56:29 AM  
2 votes:
There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended. You're just going to have to deal with it.
2013-10-28 09:49:30 AM  
2 votes:

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Actually, that did happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#Slavery_practices_thr ou ghout_Africa
2013-10-28 09:49:10 AM  
2 votes:

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Rich white people are often insulated from the wider world and rarely face consequences for their actions, which leads to questionable decision making.

2013-10-28 09:47:31 AM  
2 votes:

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Also, "White Girls" was pretty offensive.  The most offensive thing about it was that some studio exec thought people would actually pay to see it.
2013-10-28 09:42:34 AM  
2 votes:
It's not offensive to normal people.
2013-10-28 09:33:40 AM  
2 votes:
It depends on how it's done, Dave.
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Zel
2013-10-28 09:32:34 AM  
2 votes:
I think its an America centric thing. Perhaps in Peru or Mongolia this blackface meme doesn't have so many bad connotations.
2013-10-28 09:32:15 AM  
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: RedPhoenix122: gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...

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NEVER funny.

Nice effort,  RedPhoenix122, but let's remember our performance hierarchy: legitimate theatre, musical theatre, stand-up, ventriloquism, magic, mime.


I'd put magic over ventriloquism, based on The Amazing Jonathan vs. Jeff Dunham.
2013-10-28 09:25:34 AM  
2 votes:

gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...


www.whydidyouwearthat.com

NEVER funny.
2013-10-28 09:23:36 AM  
2 votes:
What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...
2013-10-28 12:26:50 PM  
1 votes:

jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?


As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".
2013-10-28 11:30:57 AM  
1 votes:

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


'Cause, see, you're honoring the Native Americans by dressing up like they were depicted on TV in the 1960's and making nonsensical sounds and gestures meant to represent their traditions. Honors 'em, it does. Dan Snyder told me so.
2013-10-28 11:29:43 AM  
1 votes:
Sans blackface

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Biv
2013-10-28 11:29:23 AM  
1 votes:
If you are offended by this, you are an idiot.  Carry on.

Stop being offended.

Now excuse me while I go to a Redskins game while in blackface and wearing a shirt depicting Muhammad.
2013-10-28 11:20:11 AM  
1 votes:
I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?
2013-10-28 10:56:24 AM  
1 votes:

Anayalator: [media.brainz.org image 462x600][userpages.umbc.edu image 411x550][filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com image 350x470]


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OFFENSIVE, EH!
2013-10-28 10:39:37 AM  
1 votes:

Brosef Stalin: You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........

Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)


Racial insensitivity and diddling kids are...... nowhere close to being the same thing.

RACISM... BAD!!!  PENETRATING TODDLERS... EQUAL BAD!!
2013-10-28 10:31:12 AM  
1 votes:
baconbeard:[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x613]

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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.
2013-10-28 10:25:54 AM  
1 votes:

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


I'm pretty sure a Venn diagram thingy of those two groups would be mostly one big circle.
2013-10-28 10:20:43 AM  
1 votes:

someonelse: Mr_Ectomy: Europeans care not for white America's guilt. I'll alert the media.

They love to wag their fingers at America for its racial issues. But they don't really care to be criticized for treating African migrant labor as virtual slaves, for example.


I've lived in both the USA and Europe, multiple locations including the Deep South and whiter-than-white Zurich, and most of what lies between, so I have an opinion...
thinkthat Americans have a guilt around race that Europeans don't have, or at least, definitely don't have to the same extent. Also, US society has made great efforts to address that collective guilt by appeasement and positive affirmation. Less so in Europe.
From my perspective the US is terribly embarrassed by it's racist past, some white people go to extraordinary lengths to be PC about race now, and some black people go to similar lengths to remain offended.
In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?
2013-10-28 10:19:57 AM  
1 votes:

garandman1a: This white boy went as Clarence Thomas one year to a halloween party a long long time ago. Complete with copy of Hustler, and a coke can that I wanted some women to put pubic hairs on. Sort of worked, too. I'll just leave it at that.

And "Check & Double Check" was quite funny if you have the right sense of humor & history.


The Clarence Thomas thing is funny. Dressing up as an actual slave in chains, however, is the same as a skinny person dressing as a Holocaust corpse. It shouldn't be hard to distinguish that the former works and the latter does not. Anyone who flutters their eyelids and ponders "why is [x] OK when [y] is not" is either being deliberately obtuse for the sake of their own bias, or is truly counting to potato.
2013-10-28 10:15:08 AM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.


I think Eddie Murphy was doing a little bit more than parodying blackface.
2013-10-28 10:13:22 AM  
1 votes:

Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?


So much butthurt from blackface fans who can't believe everyone doesn't think blackface is totes awesome.
2013-10-28 10:08:59 AM  
1 votes:
Where do the Frank Zappa blackface images (Joe's Garage most notably) fall?

He was quite obviously not racist, and was likely trolling, but is he being given a pass?

I can't imagine a contemporary artist of his stature (hard to think of one working today that compares) using a similarly themed image as an album sleeve not incurring a Twitter-storm.
2013-10-28 10:04:19 AM  
1 votes:
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Half-white face and a cross!?!?! I'm offended!!!!
2013-10-28 10:01:36 AM  
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: [www.eonline.com image 425x315]

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Two of my favorite moments from that show.

I's done stole'd dis catfish! 
Sir, I'm asking you as a human being to please stop talking like that! 
I's gon' eat it until I'm belly-full! 
This is debasing to the both of us. I was a Tuskegee Airman! 
Zip-a-dee-doo-doo! 
You may anger me, but I believe non-violence is the path to change. 
I believe you can catch a rainbow in yo hat! 
I'll kill you, you ignorant cracker!
2013-10-28 09:59:02 AM  
1 votes:
Attention context-tards: paint is not racist. Traditional blackface was racist. Putting black paint on your face as a simple costume is not racist, it's just terrible taste and judgement. Putting on blackface as an homage to the minstrel shows is racist, or at least accidentally racist. Tracy Ullman in blackface is not necessarily racist, but as I haven't actually seen what she does with it I'll withhold judgement. Unless she's doing something profound, or at least hilarious, it is poor taste and judgement. Someone who doesn't know any better putting on blackface because they've seen pictures--like Europeans or teenagers--is not racist, it's just stupid.

If cute girls can dress as Hitler for Halloween without being labelled anti-Semites, then ignorant dumbasses can wear blackface without being racist. Stupid, yes, but not racist.
2013-10-28 09:57:18 AM  
1 votes:

blatz514: YoOjo: Why would anyone put paint on their face?
Seems like a good way to get a messy collar to me.

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GO DEVILS!


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What a go devil might look like.
2013-10-28 09:53:11 AM  
1 votes:
My little sister(23) wanted to go as one of the chicks from 'Orange is the New Black.' My father called her up and tore her a new one over the black face. She washed it off.


/Which I was very thankful for so I didn't have to have that conversation with her.
2013-10-28 09:51:19 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...
2013-10-28 09:49:19 AM  
1 votes:
Black face has and always will be funny.  The reason blacks don't like it, is because if they do black face, no one laughs.
2013-10-28 09:49:05 AM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: IN before Eddy Murphy.


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Hello, I am Mr. White!
2013-10-28 09:48:27 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-10-28 09:48:21 AM  
1 votes:
blackface, whiteface, yellowface, candy-striped face, turkish-tanface, obamaface, boehnerface are all funny.

/wear those emotions on the sleeve, where they belong.
2013-10-28 09:46:46 AM  
1 votes:
Europeans care not for white America's guilt. I'll alert the media.
2013-10-28 09:40:56 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.
2013-10-28 09:40:52 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: picturescrazy: RedPhoenix122:

My first thought too. Though I'm not sure that's the same thing.

It's not the same thing. He wasn't making fun of black people or recalling the old minstrel shows, he was just an extreme method actor. If anything, he was the joke.


Still, it's an example of when blackface can be funny. The headline reeks of, "I'm going to prove how non-racist I am by shaming anyone that does anything that could be construed as racist."
2013-10-28 09:37:08 AM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people
2013-10-28 09:36:08 AM  
1 votes:

doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.
2013-10-28 09:33:59 AM  
1 votes:

picturescrazy: RedPhoenix122:

My first thought too. Though I'm not sure that's the same thing.


It's not the same thing. He wasn't making fun of black people or recalling the old minstrel shows, he was just an extreme method actor. If anything, he was the joke.
2013-10-28 09:32:24 AM  
1 votes:
Well, when you give self-entitled douchebags a whole lot of money... this kind of display of their moronic world view tends to happen.
2013-10-28 09:31:18 AM  
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.


If you've thrown and/or been to so many parties, that "Disco Africa" seems like a sane and reasonable theme choice, then you probably ought to think about just checking out of whatever scene you're in for a while.
2013-10-28 09:31:01 AM  
1 votes:
Ted Danson Unchained wants a word...

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2013-10-28 09:29:31 AM  
1 votes:
I wanted to go as Steve Urkel when I was a kid. My mom put blackface on me. Most people thought I was a bowtie wearing kid with suspenders who had ate too much chocolate.

Very glad that there was no social media back then.
 
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