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2013-10-28 11:52:46 AM
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Let's just hope they don't run into any Muslims.
 
2013-10-28 12:04:09 PM

red5ish: Next year's theme "Dancing at Dachau".


May I have your hand for the Spandau Ballet?

Well go the whole nine yards.
 
2013-10-28 12:04:23 PM
 
2013-10-28 12:08:38 PM
A non black child too innocent to be conscientious of racial issues genuinely wanting to dress as a black character would be pretty cute
 
2013-10-28 12:13:13 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: [userserve-ak.last.fm image 460x227]

The Undisputed Truth frown on your shenanigans.


This is Fark, where no truth goes undisputed
 
2013-10-28 12:15:05 PM
Interesting. What about when blacks wear the "white faces"? Isn't that racist?
 
2013-10-28 12:19:19 PM
It's pretty funny, actually.
 
2013-10-28 12:19:40 PM
It's a little funny.
 
2013-10-28 12:26:50 PM

jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?


As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".
 
2013-10-28 12:34:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".


In my experience it's more "feign outrage at minor politically incorrect offenses and demand change on the most superficial level while living in a segregated community if not a segregated state."

Again, YMMV
 
2013-10-28 12:36:09 PM
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boinkingbill: Black face has and always will be funny.  The reason blacks don't like it, is because if they do black face, no one laughs.


That's where green face kicks in.
 
2013-10-28 12:37:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".


You have to understand the mentality of people who use the phrase "white guilt" in reference to people calling them out for sounding racist. They typically need some straw to grasp at to continue to play their persecution fantasy where some imaginary other-race figure is responsible for their ill lot in life.

Anyone using that phrase, or the phrase "Race Realism" should be laughed at. (sarcasm) Because the Black Man SURE has a lot of ways to persecute the poor, precious little snowflake. (/sarcasm)
 
2013-10-28 12:38:27 PM

Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?


Except that just making your skin look darker is not blackface.  Do a little bit of research first (to those biatching).  I could understand the butthurt if it was really blackface, but it wasn't.  I think people jump on band wagons just so they can say "look, see, I'm not racist.  I'm offended by this too!"
 
2013-10-28 12:42:51 PM

hardinparamedic: Anyone using that phrase, or the phrase "Race Realism" should be laughed at


I heard that term for the first time in some farkette's profile, I don't remember her name. I didn't read about it because I didn't feel like pouring bleach into my eyeballs.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:04 PM

cowsspinach: Interesting. What about when blacks wear the "white faces"? Isn't that racist?


See the comments above.

To answer your question, it may not be done out of racism, but it will perceived as racism.  The difference is it's not as serious when a person who isn't white does it.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:23 PM
Can't we all just get along? Let's all be black and white and yellow and brown. We can do this!!!
 
2013-10-28 12:45:47 PM
You have to understand the mentality of people who use the phrase "white guilt" in reference to people calling them out for sounding racist.

Your circular logic is fascinating
 
2013-10-28 12:45:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: HeartBurnKid: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".

In my experience it's more "feign outrage at minor politically incorrect offenses and demand change on the most superficial level while living in a segregated community if not a segregated state."

Again, YMMV


There's mileage varying, and then there's someone selling that "one weird trick to never have to fill your tank again".

fortheloveofgod: Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?

Except that just making your skin look darker is not blackface.  Do a little bit of research first (to those biatching).  I could understand the butthurt if it was really blackface, but it wasn't.  I think people jump on band wagons just so they can say "look, see, I'm not racist.  I'm offended by this too!"


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So you're trying to tell me that this isn't "really blackface"?

Pull the other one, it has bells on.
 
2013-10-28 12:46:19 PM

Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended. You're just going to have to deal with it.

There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now? There's disgusting people on the planet, and just cos they exist (as your comment implies) doesn't mean we have to keep quiet and `deal with it`. Yes some people find racist humour amusing but that doesn't make it acceptable or them any less ignorant.


False equivalency is false.

/but nice try
 
2013-10-28 12:54:06 PM
In Milan, therefore mostly Italians, and thus most were likely half-black to begin with.

/the Moors, you know...
 
2013-10-28 01:01:45 PM
Mississippi Gary would like a word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAudf74RCEs
 
2013-10-28 01:09:39 PM

Shostie: I wouldn't say it's NEVER been funny.

We might not find it funny right now, but in the 20s, it was a f*cking riot, apparently.

Also, what RedPhoenix122 said.


It's about context in how it's used.

When Billy Crystal does his Sammy Davis Jr. impression it's funny but it's not mean spritied.
 
2013-10-28 01:11:20 PM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.
 
2013-10-28 01:11:27 PM
Alright, we'll give some land to the n@@@@@@ and the chinks, but we DON"T WANT THE IRISH!"

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2013-10-28 01:17:46 PM

browntimmy: And I can't think of one example in recent memory where a white person put on blackface and the joke was, "Look how stupid black people look."


I would say frat boys dressing "ghetto" or "gang" for Halloween is in that category.
 
2013-10-28 01:26:35 PM
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There's blackface, and there's "doing blackface for a period piece that makes it look rediculous".

/We thought it would wash off.
 
2013-10-28 01:32:21 PM

silverjets: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.


White Girls was not racist. There is a double standard when it comes to labeling things as racist, but that's because so many things are labelled as racist against blacks that shouldn't be. The solution shouldn't be to then label a bunch of shiat aimed at white people as racist.
 
2013-10-28 01:38:54 PM
YoOjo:
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?

Not if you're a Gypsy, no.
 
2013-10-28 01:41:08 PM

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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.


Hilarious if you've ever slept with the typical Irish female. No nightlight required, even in a windowless room.
 
2013-10-28 02:07:46 PM

jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?


You know that "white guilt" isn't really a thing, right? There is no statistically significant percentage of white Americans wandering around thinking, "damn, I feel really guilty about the systematic racism directed at African Americans in this country throughout its history." White guilt is what racists think all non-racist white people have. They mistake "white guilt" for "acknowledging that racism is a bad thing."
 
2013-10-28 02:10:48 PM

someonelse: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

You know that "white guilt" isn't really a thing, right? There is no statistically significant percentage of white Americans wandering around thinking, "damn, I feel really guilty about the systematic racism directed at African Americans in this country throughout its history." White guilt is what racists think all non-racist white people have. They mistake "white guilt" for "acknowledging that racism is a bad thing."


No, the statistics are 65% of white women, and 55% of white men, basically, the people who voted for Obama. They feel guilty that working hard and not doing drugs and gang banging leads to a better life, so they want white males punished. Because, somehow, that fixes everything.
 
2013-10-28 02:18:48 PM

dv-ous: 1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations.

2) Fashionistas

Even if they were, they are soulless automatons without conscience or regard for others. So it doesn't matter.


Can't argue with 2, but for 1, uh, welcome to international relations.

/War of the Golden Stool, anyone?
 
2013-10-28 02:30:20 PM
Hi, black guy here. I've never quite understood the fascination with blackface as a costume choice. White people have millions of options for Halloween costumes. Pretty much every superhero is white (and so are most of the villains), the vast majority of characters from film, TV, and literature are white, as are most political figures, celebrities, and pop culture icons.

As a black kid growing up...there were only so many costumes you could wear without having to qualify or explain it ("I'm black Batman", "I'm black Dracula", etc). I always felt white people had it made when it came to Halloween. They could be damn near anything and pull it off. Why they'd want to be a black character when there are so many other options I'll never know.
 
2013-10-28 02:33:22 PM
One of Hollywood's biggest secrets is that Whoopi Goldberg is really a Korean guy wearing blackface. It's true, I saw it on TMZ.
 
2013-10-28 02:35:36 PM
No Zwarte Piet (Black Peter) reference yet?

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2013-10-28 02:53:27 PM

gwowen: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.


They're mostly black in Italy anyway...
 
2013-10-28 02:59:41 PM

I Browse: Hi, black guy here. I've never quite understood the fascination with blackface as a costume choice. White people have millions of options for Halloween costumes. Pretty much every superhero is white (and so are most of the villains), the vast majority of characters from film, TV, and literature are white, as are most political figures, celebrities, and pop culture icons.

As a black kid growing up...there were only so many costumes you could wear without having to qualify or explain it ("I'm black Batman", "I'm black Dracula", etc). I always felt white people had it made when it came to Halloween. They could be damn near anything and pull it off. Why they'd want to be a black character when there are so many other options I'll never know.


Surely it's Blackula, biatch!

But I get it. That's sort of fallout from the fact that Hallowe'en comes from the British Isles, top o' the pasty chart of melanin-deprivation. Also, if you want to go as Luke Cage or or the current Green Lantern or John Henry Irons or T'challa or Bishop, you have to have the body and/or the rockin' 'fro to pull it off.

Fat little white Batmans are sad, not adorable.
 
2013-10-28 03:02:49 PM
There are two sides of this... I don't think it's "offensive" if someone dresses up as a specific person of another race; perhaps if they are dressing up as a stereotype of another race, but not a specific character... Stop getting so butt hurt over nothing...

\\ Hey I'm dressed up as Obama is way different than, hey look at me, I'm a black guy.
 
2013-10-28 03:04:35 PM
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2013-10-28 03:10:27 PM
Eddie Murphy joust loves those Italians.

You know what I like about Stallone's movies?  The realism.  Because that's the way you gotta treat those farking moolies. They think they can farking push you around, "Oh, you big hotshot, get the fark out of here. Get the fark out of my face with that shiat."  That's what I like about Sly. He goes in and the moolies are beating him and he don't farking go down, he comes in and he cracks the farking moolie's hole like this. He falls on the ground. You know, you can really farking do that.  You see that farking big melanzane standing over there?  See that black guy over there at the line getting candy?  "Yeah."  All right. Now, he's about 6-10 . I'm 5-2. I ain't no big guy, all right?  But I'm Italian. Watch this.
 
2013-10-28 03:11:58 PM
YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?



How would Europe be ahead of the US in race relations in the 60's, if they barely had other races in their respective countries (except for maybe the UK and possibly France)?

And big deal about Europeans accepting slavery as an abomination faster than the US - it's not like they were running slave plantations on their soil and were importing large numbers of Africans into their countries.  I'm sure its real easy to come to grips that your merchants or companies dealt with slavery if you never dealt with it personally and don't have the ancestors of slaves living in the same cities.

I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.
 
2013-10-28 03:18:07 PM

SirEattonHogg: YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?


How would Europe be ahead of the US in race relations in the 60's, if they barely had other races in their respective countries (except for maybe the UK and possibly France)?

And big deal about Europeans accepting slavery as an abomination faster than the US - it's not like they were running slave plantations on their soil and were importing large numbers of Africans into their countries.  I'm sure its real easy to come to grips that your merchants or companies dealt with slavery if you never dealt with it personally and don't have the ancestors of slaves living in the same cities.

I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.


Colonialism.
 
2013-10-28 03:20:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: img.gawkerassets.com

So you're trying to tell me that this isn't "really blackface"?


Looks more like "batman-cowl" face.
 
2013-10-28 03:28:53 PM
Gunny Highway:  SirEattonHogg:  I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.

Colonialism.


Oh? Have Europeans really dealt with their legacy of colonialism?  Or more to the point, I don't think they are crazy about their former colonial subjects immigrating to their home country.  It was fine for them to use them for labor and get all the minerals/resources out but move to my neighborhood/city back in Europe?  Yeah, fark that. It was more - okay you're now independent - good luck with whatever we gave you (which varies depending on which colonial overlord you had).

The US (along with Australia, Canada and maybe the UK) are the only countries that have had an extensive and realistic track record of dealing with other races - or operating with a multi-racial society (both negatives and positives).
 
2013-10-28 03:31:55 PM

ReverendJynxed: gwowen: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.

They're mostly black in Italy anyway...


Sicilians......not northerners....
 
2013-10-28 03:32:31 PM

SirEattonHogg: Gunny Highway:  SirEattonHogg:  I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.

Colonialism.

Oh? Have Europeans really dealt with their legacy of colonialism?  Or more to the point, I don't think they are crazy about their former colonial subjects immigrating to their home country.  It was fine for them to use them for labor and get all the minerals/resources out but move to my neighborhood/city back in Europe?  Yeah, fark that. It was more - okay you're now independent - good luck with whatever we gave you (which varies depending on which colonial overlord you had).

The US (along with Australia, Canada and maybe the UK) are the only countries that have had an extensive and realistic track record of dealing with other races - or operating with a multi-racial society (both negatives and positives).


I was saying that they may not have had to deal with slavery in the modern era but they did oversee colonies into the 20th Century and that did not turn out  well for anyone.  I was agreeing.
 
2013-10-28 03:35:26 PM
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As for the 30Rock images, Jon Hamm in blackface was hysterical, specifically because of Tracy Morgan's character provided the counterbalance. Jane Krakowski as Jenna as Lynn Swann is more problematic.
 
2013-10-28 03:36:08 PM
As a brown person I really hate this hysteria that rises up every time someone dares to put on makeup to make their skin look dark.  On a visceral level it just comes down to people getting freaked out over someone having dark skin and just perpetuating racism and that dark skin=bad correlation.  PC Liberal crap in a way just makes racism worse.  If someone isn't racist to begin with, this crap just makes it so a white person can't even look at dark skin without immediately associating negative feelings of guilt, self-consciousness, anxiety.

As for classical blackface, I agree it's not funny, but I don't understand what some 50's circus-clownish caricature has to do with modern-day racism or stereotypes about blacks.  It just seems really old-fashioned and foreign, completely divorced from stereotypical images of blacks, so personally it just seems random and odd, not offensive.

I actually like the Black Peter costumes, they are pretty cool, and tend to be beautiful and colorful.
 
2013-10-28 03:42:53 PM
Gunny Highway:
I was saying that they may not have had to deal with slavery in the modern era but they did oversee colonies into the 20th Century and that did not turn out  well for anyone.  I was agreeing.

Oh, I see what you mean.  Okay-doke.


Forty-Two:
As for the 30Rock images, Jon Hamm in blackface was hysterical, specifically because of Tracy Morgan's character provided the counterbalance. Jane Krakowski as Jenna as Lynn Swann is more problematic.


Lol.  I thought Tracy Morgan was Asian in that pic... like SE Asian.
 
2013-10-28 03:54:27 PM
Someone really needs to tell all the girls who like ganguro this sagely piece of advice. It's fugly as hell.
 
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