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2013-10-28 10:24:40 AM
I think Subby is two faced!
 
2013-10-28 10:25:05 AM

StrikitRich: I think Eddie Murphy was doing a little bit more than parodying blackface.


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Murphy has discussed how the character of the old Jewish guy was an homage to several men he grew up around in his youth. Their stories became a way for him to develop situation-based characters, so there is of course a more serious basis than general parody. The corporate white guy is a fairly specific class and race reversal of Black Like Me. So yeah, Murphy usually does have a more specific context that he works in. Point taken.
 
2013-10-28 10:25:13 AM

Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...



Ummmmmmm.........
 
2013-10-28 10:25:33 AM
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2013-10-28 10:25:54 AM

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


I'm pretty sure a Venn diagram thingy of those two groups would be mostly one big circle.
 
2013-10-28 10:25:55 AM
Weather it's offensive or not is not my call. It's an outdated racist stereotype that I have trouble seeing as relevant to people under 30 or so in this country. I don't know that anyone that age would make the connection to it's original intent having never been exposed to it as a vector of racism, they'd be more likely to see it as an ironic hipster thing.

Would it be better if they were black to begin with?
 
2013-10-28 10:28:36 AM

You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........


Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)
 
2013-10-28 10:29:20 AM
Wrong submittard this was hilarious then and it's still funnier than 90% of the comedy decades later. And who gives a flying fark what the asshats at Gawker think about PC or anything else?
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2013-10-28 10:29:37 AM
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Why not both?
 
2013-10-28 10:29:38 AM

someonelse: YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better.

Maybe they're just better at denial. It's not like Europe is free of rampant racism today.


AFAICT we did actually stop legislative racism a whole lot earlier.
 
2013-10-28 10:31:12 AM
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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.
 
2013-10-28 10:37:11 AM
perhaps those wearing it aren't trying to be funny
 
2013-10-28 10:38:12 AM

Somacandra: baconbeard:[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x613]

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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.


I'm not sure I understand your point... Are you saying that the fact the Irish were regarded as sub-humans was somehow different than how the blacks were regarded as sub-humans?
 
2013-10-28 10:39:37 AM

Brosef Stalin: You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........

Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)


Racial insensitivity and diddling kids are...... nowhere close to being the same thing.

RACISM... BAD!!!  PENETRATING TODDLERS... EQUAL BAD!!
 
2013-10-28 10:40:44 AM
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2013-10-28 10:40:48 AM
So if you're trying to dress up as a black character, what's the appropriate way to do it?

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"Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended."
― Salman Rushdie
 
2013-10-28 10:44:00 AM

skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.


Fine. They have other problems.

Blackface still doesn't mean there what it means here.

See also: Japanese Blackface.
 
2013-10-28 10:48:55 AM
black people really just cannot take a joke. Some of the best comics are racist, and you know why it works? because people know stereotypes are true.
 
2013-10-28 10:50:31 AM

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What, no Popeye vs Japanese sub where the captain pops out after every shot and says "So sowwy" with a big grin?
 
2013-10-28 10:50:55 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Nope, not one bit...

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

OH SNAP
 
2013-10-28 10:52:33 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Weather it's offensive or not is not my call. It's an outdated racist stereotype that I have trouble seeing as relevant to people under 30 or so in this country. I don't know that anyone that age would make the connection to it's original intent having never been exposed to it as a vector of racism, they'd be more likely to see it as an ironic hipster thing.

Would it be better if they were black to begin with?


Hey,  it can be.

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2013-10-28 10:52:38 AM
Punk Rock Iowa
Shoegaze Texas
Chillwave Cambodia
 
2013-10-28 10:53:15 AM

Larva Lump: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x210]

Why not both?


So..... is that an Obama costume?
 
2013-10-28 10:54:31 AM

IlGreven: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...


Your a idiot.

/but seriously, you have to be really farking, mind-numbingly stupid not to understand the difference
 
2013-10-28 10:55:28 AM
The Obama is really really not funny.
 
2013-10-28 10:56:24 AM

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OFFENSIVE, EH!
 
2013-10-28 10:57:17 AM

Son of Thunder: "Disco Africa"...

Have there been a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa? I don't think there were a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa. If I threw a party and said the theme is "steampunk", would these guys show up dressed as Klingons?


I dont know if a lot of people do it in Africa, but I know very little of African culture and can still think of a modern example (Die Antwoord) off the top of my head. NSFW language and video in Link The woman who wrote this article seems to think there's a troubled history of minstrel shows and blackface in South Africa, but then it's no secret they probably have worse race tensions than the US.
 
2013-10-28 10:57:25 AM

bobrktb: I think Subby is two faced!


Two-Face?
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2013-10-28 10:57:40 AM

patrick767: IlGreven: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...

Your a idiot.

/but seriously, you have to be really farking, mind-numbingly stupid not to understand the difference


Solid.
 
2013-10-28 10:58:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...

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NEVER funny.


Land mimes are a weapon of war, which is why there is an extensive mimefield between Best and Worst Korea. The poor soldiers will never see the invisible walls that hit them.
 
2013-10-28 10:59:37 AM

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I've never understood the "Asian people have gigantic buckteeth" stereotype.  I don't think I've ever even SEEN an Asian person with buckteeth.
 
2013-10-28 11:00:43 AM

You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........

Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)

Racial insensitivity and diddling kids are...... nowhere close to being the same thing.

RACISM... BAD!!!  PENETRATING TODDLERS... EQUAL BAD!!


Yeah they're both bad though. My point didn't involve drawing up a list of everything evil in the world and rating how bad they are in order, it was simply to show that you can't say something is OK because people do it, as the person I was responding to implied. Honestly it's not rocket science to understand.
 
2013-10-28 11:01:52 AM
"fashion's elite"

So.... the gays?
 
2013-10-28 11:04:14 AM

CrazyCracka420: "Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.


That's all deep and stuff. But there is no real effort to outlaw offensive Halloween costumes. And nobody has the right to wear a costume and not get called a dumbass by someone.
 
2013-10-28 11:05:39 AM

LordOfThePings: Happy Christmas, Netherlands.


The celebration on December 5th is not the same as the celebration on the 25th and 26th of December. That the US made a derivative character for Christmas based on the way Europeans celebrate Saint Nicholas day, does not mean they are the same celebrations. You might as well claim that someone's birthday on the 17th of December is Christmas because it is close together and he gets a present.

/Most people here don't do the whole presents on Christmas thing

phalamir: Do you wanna guess who started African slavery in the New World. And who transported the vast majority of Africans that ended up n the US? And developed a lot of the ridiculous racial theories? Hint: Not Americans - they just aped their superiors.


Who do you think captured those people and sold them to the Europeans? Hint: Africans and people from the Middle East.
 
2013-10-28 11:05:43 AM

Chach: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Which really doesn't matter. If it is racist one way, it is racist all ways.


No, context matters.
 
2013-10-28 11:07:02 AM

skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.


You mean besides running the atlantic slave trade? The u.s. was a smalltime cutomer. Europe was the dealer.
 
2013-10-28 11:08:09 AM
Yeah, but black people in whiteface is funny. Well when these black people stop THEIR racism (which they are far worse than whites), I will stop thinking of them by that little word they call themselves all day long. Just remember, white men can't jump, but black men can't swim. :)

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2013-10-28 11:14:25 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.

You mean besides running the atlantic slave trade? The u.s. was a smalltime cutomer. Europe was the dealer.


Then the Africans and Arabs were running the slave trade and the Europeans were just the middle men. Most slaves sold by the Dutch were bought from African and Arabian slavers. If you are looking for people to blame you can always go one further. Besides, slavery was 150 years ago. Anyone who is still making excuses for it or basing excuses on it should just get over it.
 
2013-10-28 11:16:23 AM
Smackledorfer

No, context matters.



Couldn't agree more
 
2013-10-28 11:17:33 AM
i suspect juilianne hough was clueless regarding the history of blackface, she was trying to look like someone who is black, not blackface.

the fact that minstrel shows were one of the most popular forms on entertainment in america for generations is pretty much ignored by everyone in america nowadays.

so the fact that non-americans are clueless is to be expected.
 
2013-10-28 11:18:06 AM
The goal of anyone doing blackface is to get a reaction from people. Be it butthurt or laughter. Quit paying attention to these kind of antics and no one will do blackface anymore.
 
2013-10-28 11:20:11 AM
I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?
 
2013-10-28 11:26:23 AM
I have a black friend.
 
Biv
2013-10-28 11:29:23 AM
If you are offended by this, you are an idiot.  Carry on.

Stop being offended.

Now excuse me while I go to a Redskins game while in blackface and wearing a shirt depicting Muhammad.
 
2013-10-28 11:29:43 AM
Sans blackface

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2013-10-28 11:30:57 AM

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


'Cause, see, you're honoring the Native Americans by dressing up like they were depicted on TV in the 1960's and making nonsensical sounds and gestures meant to represent their traditions. Honors 'em, it does. Dan Snyder told me so.
 
2013-10-28 11:36:50 AM
Is it still cool if I dress up as a black woman wearing whiteface though?
 
2013-10-28 11:39:08 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it

'Cause, see, you're honoring the Native Americans by dressing up like they were depicted on TV in the 1960's and making nonsensical sounds and gestures meant to represent their traditions. Honors 'em, it does. Dan Snyder told me so.


Are they just to damn dumb or drunk to be offended for themselves or do they need the liberal hand to show them the way?
 
2013-10-28 11:49:45 AM
What?

Blackface makeup is ALWAYS funny.

Blackface skin tone isn't.

Learn the difference.
 
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