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2013-10-28 08:34:55 AM
Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.
 
2013-10-28 08:49:14 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.


I don't know - I went to a Flapper Indonesia party and it was rockin'.
 
2013-10-28 09:02:16 AM
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-10-28 09:04:40 AM
I wouldn't say it's NEVER been funny.

We might not find it funny right now, but in the 20s, it was a f*cking riot, apparently.

Also, what RedPhoenix122 said.
 
2013-10-28 09:23:36 AM
What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...
 
2013-10-28 09:25:34 AM

gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...


www.whydidyouwearthat.com

NEVER funny.
 
2013-10-28 09:29:04 AM

RedPhoenix122: gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...

[www.whydidyouwearthat.com image 300x673]

NEVER funny.


Nice effort,  RedPhoenix122, but let's remember our performance hierarchy: legitimate theatre, musical theatre, stand-up, ventriloquism, magic, mime.
 
2013-10-28 09:29:15 AM

RedPhoenix122:


My first thought too. Though I'm not sure that's the same thing.
 
2013-10-28 09:29:26 AM
I fail to see any celebrities.
 
2013-10-28 09:29:31 AM
I wanted to go as Steve Urkel when I was a kid. My mom put blackface on me. Most people thought I was a bowtie wearing kid with suspenders who had ate too much chocolate.

Very glad that there was no social media back then.
 
2013-10-28 09:30:56 AM
Also, I'm not sure what it means to be a nerd and wanting to go Trick-or-Treating as a nerd. Not exactly a stretch.
 
2013-10-28 09:31:01 AM
Ted Danson Unchained wants a word...

www.paunchstevenson.com
 
2013-10-28 09:31:18 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.


If you've thrown and/or been to so many parties, that "Disco Africa" seems like a sane and reasonable theme choice, then you probably ought to think about just checking out of whatever scene you're in for a while.
 
2013-10-28 09:32:15 AM

UNC_Samurai: RedPhoenix122: gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...

[www.whydidyouwearthat.com image 300x673]

NEVER funny.

Nice effort,  RedPhoenix122, but let's remember our performance hierarchy: legitimate theatre, musical theatre, stand-up, ventriloquism, magic, mime.


I'd put magic over ventriloquism, based on The Amazing Jonathan vs. Jeff Dunham.
 
2013-10-28 09:32:24 AM
Well, when you give self-entitled douchebags a whole lot of money... this kind of display of their moronic world view tends to happen.
 
2013-10-28 09:32:32 AM
Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.
 
Zel
2013-10-28 09:32:34 AM
I think its an America centric thing. Perhaps in Peru or Mongolia this blackface meme doesn't have so many bad connotations.
 
2013-10-28 09:33:40 AM
It depends on how it's done, Dave.
upload.wikimedia.org
/hot
 
2013-10-28 09:33:59 AM

picturescrazy: RedPhoenix122:

My first thought too. Though I'm not sure that's the same thing.


It's not the same thing. He wasn't making fun of black people or recalling the old minstrel shows, he was just an extreme method actor. If anything, he was the joke.
 
2013-10-28 09:35:14 AM
Why would anyone put paint on their face?
Seems like a good way to get a messy collar to me.
 
2013-10-28 09:36:08 AM

doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.
 
2013-10-28 09:36:40 AM
userserve-ak.last.fm

The Undisputed Truth frown on your shenanigans.
 
2013-10-28 09:37:08 AM

doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people
 
2013-10-28 09:37:14 AM
1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations.

2) Fashionistas

Even if they were, they are soulless automatons without conscience or regard for others. So it doesn't matter.
 
2013-10-28 09:37:31 AM
99% of them that do this are D list types who want to get attention
 
2013-10-28 09:38:31 AM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Which really doesn't matter. If it is racist one way, it is racist all ways.
 
2013-10-28 09:38:35 AM
Next year's theme "Dancing at Dachau".
 
2013-10-28 09:39:04 AM
super duper.
 
2013-10-28 09:40:15 AM

Chach: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Which really doesn't matter. If it is racist one way, it is racist all ways.


Sigh. Whatever.
 
2013-10-28 09:40:47 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: It depends on how it's done, Dave.
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/hot


It's arguable that stuff based on voudoun is blackface, as black Haitians originated it and you're my wife now.
 
2013-10-28 09:40:52 AM

Mugato: picturescrazy: RedPhoenix122:

My first thought too. Though I'm not sure that's the same thing.

It's not the same thing. He wasn't making fun of black people or recalling the old minstrel shows, he was just an extreme method actor. If anything, he was the joke.


Still, it's an example of when blackface can be funny. The headline reeks of, "I'm going to prove how non-racist I am by shaming anyone that does anything that could be construed as racist."
 
2013-10-28 09:40:56 AM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.
 
2013-10-28 09:41:03 AM
So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?
 
2013-10-28 09:41:36 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Only in the inner cities.
/Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy and Morgan Freeman all have performed in blackface.....
 
2013-10-28 09:42:34 AM
It's not offensive to normal people.
 
2013-10-28 09:43:05 AM
www.eonline.com

persephonemagazine.com
 
2013-10-28 09:43:18 AM
Dear Subby:

images.starpulse.com
You can suck an egg!
 
2013-10-28 09:44:24 AM
Happy Christmas, Netherlands.
 
2013-10-28 09:44:44 AM

red5ish: Next year's theme "Dancing at Dachau".


It's been done.

Outcry over concentration camp party

The controversy comes as Auckland Grammar pupils who posted photos of themselves worshipping Nazi symbols on Facebook apologised to war veterans at Auckland's War Memorial Museum yesterday.
 
2013-10-28 09:45:04 AM
IN before Eddy Murphy.
 
2013-10-28 09:45:50 AM
No, no, it's in Europe, so nobody really cares.
 
2013-10-28 09:46:46 AM
Europeans care not for white America's guilt. I'll alert the media.
 
2013-10-28 09:47:31 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Also, "White Girls" was pretty offensive.  The most offensive thing about it was that some studio exec thought people would actually pay to see it.
 
2013-10-28 09:47:35 AM
 
2013-10-28 09:48:21 AM
blackface, whiteface, yellowface, candy-striped face, turkish-tanface, obamaface, boehnerface are all funny.

/wear those emotions on the sleeve, where they belong.
 
2013-10-28 09:48:26 AM
"Disco Africa"...

Have there been a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa? I don't think there were a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa. If I threw a party and said the theme is "steampunk", would these guys show up dressed as Klingons?
 
2013-10-28 09:48:27 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-28 09:49:05 AM

vudukungfu: IN before Eddy Murphy.


sharetv.org

Hello, I am Mr. White!
 
2013-10-28 09:49:10 AM

farm4.staticflickr.com


Rich white people are often insulated from the wider world and rarely face consequences for their actions, which leads to questionable decision making.

 
2013-10-28 09:49:19 AM
Black face has and always will be funny.  The reason blacks don't like it, is because if they do black face, no one laughs.
 
2013-10-28 09:49:30 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Actually, that did happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#Slavery_practices_thr ou ghout_Africa
 
2013-10-28 09:49:34 AM

doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


Yes, but not for the reason your dumb ass is implying.

/ go unjustifiably feel persecuted somewhere else
 
2013-10-28 09:51:19 AM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...
 
2013-10-28 09:51:31 AM
Wow, Fark is extra shiatty.  Maybe tomorrow, Farkers, maybe tomorrow.
 
2013-10-28 09:53:11 AM
My little sister(23) wanted to go as one of the chicks from 'Orange is the New Black.' My father called her up and tore her a new one over the black face. She washed it off.


/Which I was very thankful for so I didn't have to have that conversation with her.
 
2013-10-28 09:53:35 AM
So, my rip off of Blue Man Group, Black Man Group is DUI? Or maybe it's DOA. I get them confused. Which reminds me. I gotta tell that lady to go to the morgue and not the detox center if she wants to see her husband.
 
2013-10-28 09:54:00 AM
www.annalsofamericus.com
 
2013-10-28 09:54:18 AM

Gunny Highway: Wow, Fark is extra shiatty.  Maybe tomorrow, Farkers, maybe tomorrow.


Tomorrow, they'll be just as shiatty.
 
2013-10-28 09:54:58 AM

"1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."


Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.

 
2013-10-28 09:55:03 AM
I dunno, being trayvon for halloween is all the rage this year.
 
2013-10-28 09:55:04 AM
I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Yes, but not for the reason your dumb ass is implying.

/ go unjustifiably feel persecuted somewhere else



You seem to misunderstand the story and the comments. Who's doing the biatching again?
 
2013-10-28 09:55:21 AM

YoOjo: Why would anyone put paint on their face?
Seems like a good way to get a messy collar to me.


ragrobyn.files.wordpress.com

GO DEVILS!
 
2013-10-28 09:56:29 AM
There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended. You're just going to have to deal with it.
 
2013-10-28 09:57:18 AM

blatz514: YoOjo: Why would anyone put paint on their face?
Seems like a good way to get a messy collar to me.

[ragrobyn.files.wordpress.com image 500x350]

GO DEVILS!


upload.wikimedia.org

What a go devil might look like.
 
2013-10-28 09:57:21 AM
People falling down and hurting themselves is not funny, either. What is wrong with you people?!?
 
2013-10-28 09:57:48 AM
www.treasuredmemoriesantiques.com
 
2013-10-28 09:59:02 AM
Attention context-tards: paint is not racist. Traditional blackface was racist. Putting black paint on your face as a simple costume is not racist, it's just terrible taste and judgement. Putting on blackface as an homage to the minstrel shows is racist, or at least accidentally racist. Tracy Ullman in blackface is not necessarily racist, but as I haven't actually seen what she does with it I'll withhold judgement. Unless she's doing something profound, or at least hilarious, it is poor taste and judgement. Someone who doesn't know any better putting on blackface because they've seen pictures--like Europeans or teenagers--is not racist, it's just stupid.

If cute girls can dress as Hitler for Halloween without being labelled anti-Semites, then ignorant dumbasses can wear blackface without being racist. Stupid, yes, but not racist.
 
2013-10-28 09:59:20 AM
blatz514:

GO DEVILS!

www.borsig11.de
 
2013-10-28 09:59:43 AM
Comedy is not funny! What's wrong with you people?
 
2013-10-28 10:01:07 AM
Meh. I thought it was kind of funny.
 
2013-10-28 10:01:36 AM

LandOfChocolate: [www.eonline.com image 425x315]

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Two of my favorite moments from that show.

I's done stole'd dis catfish! 
Sir, I'm asking you as a human being to please stop talking like that! 
I's gon' eat it until I'm belly-full! 
This is debasing to the both of us. I was a Tuskegee Airman! 
Zip-a-dee-doo-doo! 
You may anger me, but I believe non-violence is the path to change. 
I believe you can catch a rainbow in yo hat! 
I'll kill you, you ignorant cracker!
 
2013-10-28 10:02:06 AM

Harry Freakstorm: So, my rip off of Blue Man Group, Black Man Group is DUI? Or maybe it's DOA. I get them confused. Which reminds me. I gotta tell that lady to go to the morgue and not the detox center if she wants to see her husband.


Blue Man Group is insensitive to autoerotic asphyxiation victims.
 
2013-10-28 10:02:18 AM
Subby, I totally agree.

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2013-10-28 10:04:19 AM
i6.cdnds.net

Half-white face and a cross!?!?! I'm offended!!!!
 
2013-10-28 10:04:43 AM
Diogenes:
I_Am_Weasel: Something else that should be noted.  Disco Africa is a dumb theme for a party.

I don't know - I went to a Flapper Indonesia party and it was rockin'.


That is because flappers are awesome, but disco is not.

Kygz:
So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?

1. historical connotations of "minstrel shows" that portrayed blacks as humorous idiots
2. people probably feel that their racial identity should not be someone else's Halloween costume

I actually dressed in blackface for Halloween as a teenager once, living in a very white area... the really weird thing was that nobody thought it was a bad idea, including my parents (who were not racist types).  I went to lots of houses and nobody said "go home, son, that's terrible".  Eventually, I saw a black family walking past (they didn't see me, thankfully) and suddenly, having a grossly overdue epiphany, dived behind a shrubbery and then booted it home.  Definite "WTF was I thinking" memory there.
 
2013-10-28 10:04:54 AM

Carth: So you mean going as black face trayvon martin isn't a good idea?


No, that would be the worst kind of casual racism. It also isn't really a costume in the traditional sense; it's a douche-bro outfit on a douche-bro. It's the semantic equivalent of George W. Bush going to a Halloween party dressed as a fool in motley made of presidential seals.
 
2013-10-28 10:05:12 AM
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doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


I'll see your 'White Girls' and raise you a 'White Chicks'
 
2013-10-28 10:07:47 AM

Mr_Ectomy: Europeans care not for white America's guilt. I'll alert the media.


They love to wag their fingers at America for its racial issues. But they don't really care to be criticized for treating African migrant labor as virtual slaves, for example.
 
2013-10-28 10:08:04 AM
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gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...


Sometimes it is.
 
2013-10-28 10:08:22 AM
No Richard Pryor / Gene Wilder?
 
2013-10-28 10:08:59 AM
Where do the Frank Zappa blackface images (Joe's Garage most notably) fall?

He was quite obviously not racist, and was likely trolling, but is he being given a pass?

I can't imagine a contemporary artist of his stature (hard to think of one working today that compares) using a similarly themed image as an album sleeve not incurring a Twitter-storm.
 
2013-10-28 10:10:30 AM

doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.


Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.
 
2013-10-28 10:11:16 AM
The author of TFA actually made some sense:

"And while the idea of blackface on Halloween is complicated - the line between "tribute" and mockery is a dicey one - the blackface costume here, a white man dressed as the kind of white men who made a living mocking black men, falls resoundingly in the offensive box."

Growing up in the decidedly non-PC 60's we might have dressed as Aunt Jemima or a pickaninny but we knew enough not to do the blackface thing.
 
2013-10-28 10:11:19 AM

dv-ous: 1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations.

2) Fashionistas

Even if they were, they are soulless automatons without conscience or regard for others. So it doesn't matter.


Do you wanna guess who started African slavery in the New World.  And who transported the vast majority of Africans that ended up n the US?  And developed a lot of the ridiculous racial theories?  Hint: Not Americans - they just aped their superiors.
 
2013-10-28 10:12:17 AM
Note to celebrities: blackface is not funny, it never has been funny, it never will be funny. What the fark is wrong with you idiots?

And I bet you have a friend that is black too.

/someone's trying too hard
 
2013-10-28 10:12:40 AM

StrikitRich: Sometimes it is.


That's because Eddie Murphy's old Jewish guy character was a reversal of Al Jolsons Jewish Blackface in the Jazz Singer.
 
2013-10-28 10:13:22 AM

Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?


So much butthurt from blackface fans who can't believe everyone doesn't think blackface is totes awesome.
 
2013-10-28 10:14:19 AM
This white boy went as Clarence Thomas one year to a halloween party a long long time ago. Complete with copy of Hustler, and a coke can that I wanted some women to put pubic hairs on. Sort of worked, too. I'll just leave it at that.

And "Check & Double Check" was quite funny if you have the right sense of humor & history.
 
2013-10-28 10:15:08 AM

Somacandra: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.


I think Eddie Murphy was doing a little bit more than parodying blackface.
 
2013-10-28 10:15:23 AM
Taco - Puttin' on the Ritz (uncensored Blackface version):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY
 
2013-10-28 10:17:33 AM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-28 10:18:40 AM
If you are dressing up as a specific character, the goal is to look as much like that character as possible.

It's not like she was doing some broad stereotypical black person costume.

Get over it.
 
2013-10-28 10:19:01 AM

Somacandra: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Not really. When actors put on Whiteface, they are parodying Blackface, not White people. Any serious comparative historical examination of the two practices makes this pretty clear.


And I can't think of one example in recent memory where a white person put on blackface and the joke was, "Look how stupid black people look." Those who don't understand context are farking idiots.
 
2013-10-28 10:19:21 AM
*wanders off to watch a bugs bunny clip  "Mammy"* A meme before some wiseass created the word "meme".

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mammy-bugs-bunny-blackface
 
2013-10-28 10:19:57 AM

garandman1a: This white boy went as Clarence Thomas one year to a halloween party a long long time ago. Complete with copy of Hustler, and a coke can that I wanted some women to put pubic hairs on. Sort of worked, too. I'll just leave it at that.

And "Check & Double Check" was quite funny if you have the right sense of humor & history.


The Clarence Thomas thing is funny. Dressing up as an actual slave in chains, however, is the same as a skinny person dressing as a Holocaust corpse. It shouldn't be hard to distinguish that the former works and the latter does not. Anyone who flutters their eyelids and ponders "why is [x] OK when [y] is not" is either being deliberately obtuse for the sake of their own bias, or is truly counting to potato.
 
2013-10-28 10:20:22 AM

memebot_of_doom: No Richard Pryor / Gene Wilder?


Need some Dan Aykroyd as well.
 
2013-10-28 10:20:43 AM

someonelse: Mr_Ectomy: Europeans care not for white America's guilt. I'll alert the media.

They love to wag their fingers at America for its racial issues. But they don't really care to be criticized for treating African migrant labor as virtual slaves, for example.


I've lived in both the USA and Europe, multiple locations including the Deep South and whiter-than-white Zurich, and most of what lies between, so I have an opinion...
thinkthat Americans have a guilt around race that Europeans don't have, or at least, definitely don't have to the same extent. Also, US society has made great efforts to address that collective guilt by appeasement and positive affirmation. Less so in Europe.
From my perspective the US is terribly embarrassed by it's racist past, some white people go to extraordinary lengths to be PC about race now, and some black people go to similar lengths to remain offended.
In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?
 
2013-10-28 10:21:00 AM

DoomPaul: There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended. You're just going to have to deal with it.


There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now? There's disgusting people on the planet, and just cos they exist (as your comment implies) doesn't mean we have to keep quiet and `deal with it`. Yes some people find racist humour amusing but that doesn't make it acceptable or them any less ignorant.
 
2013-10-28 10:23:10 AM
Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it
 
2013-10-28 10:24:01 AM
YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better.

Maybe they're just better at denial. It's not like Europe is free of rampant racism today.
 
2013-10-28 10:24:40 AM
I think Subby is two faced!
 
2013-10-28 10:25:05 AM

StrikitRich: I think Eddie Murphy was doing a little bit more than parodying blackface.


i.imgur.com upload.wikimedia.org

Murphy has discussed how the character of the old Jewish guy was an homage to several men he grew up around in his youth. Their stories became a way for him to develop situation-based characters, so there is of course a more serious basis than general parody. The corporate white guy is a fairly specific class and race reversal of Black Like Me. So yeah, Murphy usually does have a more specific context that he works in. Point taken.
 
2013-10-28 10:25:13 AM

Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...



Ummmmmmm.........
 
2013-10-28 10:25:33 AM
www.umbc.edu
 
2013-10-28 10:25:54 AM

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


I'm pretty sure a Venn diagram thingy of those two groups would be mostly one big circle.
 
2013-10-28 10:25:55 AM
Weather it's offensive or not is not my call. It's an outdated racist stereotype that I have trouble seeing as relevant to people under 30 or so in this country. I don't know that anyone that age would make the connection to it's original intent having never been exposed to it as a vector of racism, they'd be more likely to see it as an ironic hipster thing.

Would it be better if they were black to begin with?
 
2013-10-28 10:28:36 AM

You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........


Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)
 
2013-10-28 10:29:20 AM
Wrong submittard this was hilarious then and it's still funnier than 90% of the comedy decades later. And who gives a flying fark what the asshats at Gawker think about PC or anything else?
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-28 10:29:37 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Why not both?
 
2013-10-28 10:29:38 AM

someonelse: YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better.

Maybe they're just better at denial. It's not like Europe is free of rampant racism today.


AFAICT we did actually stop legislative racism a whole lot earlier.
 
2013-10-28 10:31:12 AM
baconbeard:[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x613]

www.hup.harvard.edu  www.loc.gov

Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.
 
2013-10-28 10:37:11 AM
perhaps those wearing it aren't trying to be funny
 
2013-10-28 10:38:12 AM

Somacandra: baconbeard:[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x613]

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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.


I'm not sure I understand your point... Are you saying that the fact the Irish were regarded as sub-humans was somehow different than how the blacks were regarded as sub-humans?
 
2013-10-28 10:39:37 AM

Brosef Stalin: You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........

Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)


Racial insensitivity and diddling kids are...... nowhere close to being the same thing.

RACISM... BAD!!!  PENETRATING TODDLERS... EQUAL BAD!!
 
2013-10-28 10:40:44 AM
media.brainz.orguserpages.umbc.edufilipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-28 10:40:48 AM
So if you're trying to dress up as a black character, what's the appropriate way to do it?

4.bp.blogspot.com

"Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.

To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended."
― Salman Rushdie
 
2013-10-28 10:44:00 AM

skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.


Fine. They have other problems.

Blackface still doesn't mean there what it means here.

See also: Japanese Blackface.
 
2013-10-28 10:48:55 AM
black people really just cannot take a joke. Some of the best comics are racist, and you know why it works? because people know stereotypes are true.
 
2013-10-28 10:50:31 AM

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What, no Popeye vs Japanese sub where the captain pops out after every shot and says "So sowwy" with a big grin?
 
2013-10-28 10:50:55 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: doubled99: Notice to people who get their panties in a wad over a Halloween costume: It's a farking stupid dress up holiday, and there is no need to get butthurt about it.

I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

Because black people have a history of owning/controlling/disenfranchising white people


Nope, not one bit...

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

OH SNAP
 
2013-10-28 10:52:33 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Weather it's offensive or not is not my call. It's an outdated racist stereotype that I have trouble seeing as relevant to people under 30 or so in this country. I don't know that anyone that age would make the connection to it's original intent having never been exposed to it as a vector of racism, they'd be more likely to see it as an ironic hipster thing.

Would it be better if they were black to begin with?


Hey,  it can be.

images.nationalgeographic.com
 
2013-10-28 10:52:38 AM
Punk Rock Iowa
Shoegaze Texas
Chillwave Cambodia
 
2013-10-28 10:53:15 AM

Larva Lump: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x210]

Why not both?


So..... is that an Obama costume?
 
2013-10-28 10:54:31 AM

IlGreven: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...


Your a idiot.

/but seriously, you have to be really farking, mind-numbingly stupid not to understand the difference
 
2013-10-28 10:55:28 AM
The Obama is really really not funny.
 
2013-10-28 10:56:24 AM

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images1.wikia.nocookie.net

OFFENSIVE, EH!
 
2013-10-28 10:57:17 AM

Son of Thunder: "Disco Africa"...

Have there been a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa? I don't think there were a lot of White people doing blackface acts in Africa. If I threw a party and said the theme is "steampunk", would these guys show up dressed as Klingons?


I dont know if a lot of people do it in Africa, but I know very little of African culture and can still think of a modern example (Die Antwoord) off the top of my head. NSFW language and video in Link The woman who wrote this article seems to think there's a troubled history of minstrel shows and blackface in South Africa, but then it's no secret they probably have worse race tensions than the US.
 
2013-10-28 10:57:25 AM

bobrktb: I think Subby is two faced!


Two-Face?
www.dailygalaxy.com
 
2013-10-28 10:57:40 AM

patrick767: IlGreven: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Nope. Sorry. If whites in blackface are racist, then blacks in whiteface are racist, too.  And then add the sexism of men posing as women, and you have "White Chicks".

/And if you take away blacks in whiteface, you have Madea...

Your a idiot.

/but seriously, you have to be really farking, mind-numbingly stupid not to understand the difference


Solid.
 
2013-10-28 10:58:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: gopher321: What about whiteface? Is that funny?

/jest stirrin' the shiat...

[www.whydidyouwearthat.com image 300x673]

NEVER funny.


Land mimes are a weapon of war, which is why there is an extensive mimefield between Best and Worst Korea. The poor soldiers will never see the invisible walls that hit them.
 
2013-10-28 10:59:37 AM

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I've never understood the "Asian people have gigantic buckteeth" stereotype.  I don't think I've ever even SEEN an Asian person with buckteeth.
 
2013-10-28 11:00:43 AM

You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: You see dem stains on there: Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: ...Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended...

...Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now?...


Ummmmmmm.........

Too much thinking making brain hurt? My point is racism and child molestation are both disgusting and their existence doesn't make them acceptable. Maybe try reading the whole comment instead of quoting out of context ;)

Racial insensitivity and diddling kids are...... nowhere close to being the same thing.

RACISM... BAD!!!  PENETRATING TODDLERS... EQUAL BAD!!


Yeah they're both bad though. My point didn't involve drawing up a list of everything evil in the world and rating how bad they are in order, it was simply to show that you can't say something is OK because people do it, as the person I was responding to implied. Honestly it's not rocket science to understand.
 
2013-10-28 11:01:52 AM
"fashion's elite"

So.... the gays?
 
2013-10-28 11:04:14 AM

CrazyCracka420: "Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.


That's all deep and stuff. But there is no real effort to outlaw offensive Halloween costumes. And nobody has the right to wear a costume and not get called a dumbass by someone.
 
2013-10-28 11:05:39 AM

LordOfThePings: Happy Christmas, Netherlands.


The celebration on December 5th is not the same as the celebration on the 25th and 26th of December. That the US made a derivative character for Christmas based on the way Europeans celebrate Saint Nicholas day, does not mean they are the same celebrations. You might as well claim that someone's birthday on the 17th of December is Christmas because it is close together and he gets a present.

/Most people here don't do the whole presents on Christmas thing

phalamir: Do you wanna guess who started African slavery in the New World. And who transported the vast majority of Africans that ended up n the US? And developed a lot of the ridiculous racial theories? Hint: Not Americans - they just aped their superiors.


Who do you think captured those people and sold them to the Europeans? Hint: Africans and people from the Middle East.
 
2013-10-28 11:05:43 AM

Chach: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Which really doesn't matter. If it is racist one way, it is racist all ways.


No, context matters.
 
2013-10-28 11:07:02 AM

skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.


You mean besides running the atlantic slave trade? The u.s. was a smalltime cutomer. Europe was the dealer.
 
2013-10-28 11:08:09 AM
Yeah, but black people in whiteface is funny. Well when these black people stop THEIR racism (which they are far worse than whites), I will stop thinking of them by that little word they call themselves all day long. Just remember, white men can't jump, but black men can't swim. :)

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-28 11:14:25 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.

You mean besides running the atlantic slave trade? The u.s. was a smalltime cutomer. Europe was the dealer.


Then the Africans and Arabs were running the slave trade and the Europeans were just the middle men. Most slaves sold by the Dutch were bought from African and Arabian slavers. If you are looking for people to blame you can always go one further. Besides, slavery was 150 years ago. Anyone who is still making excuses for it or basing excuses on it should just get over it.
 
2013-10-28 11:16:23 AM
Smackledorfer

No, context matters.



Couldn't agree more
 
2013-10-28 11:17:33 AM
i suspect juilianne hough was clueless regarding the history of blackface, she was trying to look like someone who is black, not blackface.

the fact that minstrel shows were one of the most popular forms on entertainment in america for generations is pretty much ignored by everyone in america nowadays.

so the fact that non-americans are clueless is to be expected.
 
2013-10-28 11:18:06 AM
The goal of anyone doing blackface is to get a reaction from people. Be it butthurt or laughter. Quit paying attention to these kind of antics and no one will do blackface anymore.
 
2013-10-28 11:20:11 AM
I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?
 
2013-10-28 11:26:23 AM
I have a black friend.
 
Biv
2013-10-28 11:29:23 AM
If you are offended by this, you are an idiot.  Carry on.

Stop being offended.

Now excuse me while I go to a Redskins game while in blackface and wearing a shirt depicting Muhammad.
 
2013-10-28 11:29:43 AM
Sans blackface

cdn.buzznet.com
 
2013-10-28 11:30:57 AM

Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it


'Cause, see, you're honoring the Native Americans by dressing up like they were depicted on TV in the 1960's and making nonsensical sounds and gestures meant to represent their traditions. Honors 'em, it does. Dan Snyder told me so.
 
2013-10-28 11:36:50 AM
Is it still cool if I dress up as a black woman wearing whiteface though?
 
2013-10-28 11:39:08 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Watubi: Dressing in blackface is bad.  Painting your face and wearing Native American Indian outfits on football Sunday is ok.  Got it

'Cause, see, you're honoring the Native Americans by dressing up like they were depicted on TV in the 1960's and making nonsensical sounds and gestures meant to represent their traditions. Honors 'em, it does. Dan Snyder told me so.


Are they just to damn dumb or drunk to be offended for themselves or do they need the liberal hand to show them the way?
 
2013-10-28 11:49:45 AM
What?

Blackface makeup is ALWAYS funny.

Blackface skin tone isn't.

Learn the difference.
 
2013-10-28 11:52:46 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Let's just hope they don't run into any Muslims.
 
2013-10-28 12:04:09 PM

red5ish: Next year's theme "Dancing at Dachau".


May I have your hand for the Spandau Ballet?

Well go the whole nine yards.
 
2013-10-28 12:04:23 PM
 
2013-10-28 12:08:38 PM
A non black child too innocent to be conscientious of racial issues genuinely wanting to dress as a black character would be pretty cute
 
2013-10-28 12:13:13 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: [userserve-ak.last.fm image 460x227]

The Undisputed Truth frown on your shenanigans.


This is Fark, where no truth goes undisputed
 
2013-10-28 12:15:05 PM
Interesting. What about when blacks wear the "white faces"? Isn't that racist?
 
2013-10-28 12:19:19 PM
It's pretty funny, actually.
 
2013-10-28 12:19:40 PM
It's a little funny.
 
2013-10-28 12:26:50 PM

jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?


As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".
 
2013-10-28 12:34:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".


In my experience it's more "feign outrage at minor politically incorrect offenses and demand change on the most superficial level while living in a segregated community if not a segregated state."

Again, YMMV
 
2013-10-28 12:36:09 PM
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boinkingbill: Black face has and always will be funny.  The reason blacks don't like it, is because if they do black face, no one laughs.


That's where green face kicks in.
 
2013-10-28 12:37:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".


You have to understand the mentality of people who use the phrase "white guilt" in reference to people calling them out for sounding racist. They typically need some straw to grasp at to continue to play their persecution fantasy where some imaginary other-race figure is responsible for their ill lot in life.

Anyone using that phrase, or the phrase "Race Realism" should be laughed at. (sarcasm) Because the Black Man SURE has a lot of ways to persecute the poor, precious little snowflake. (/sarcasm)
 
2013-10-28 12:38:27 PM

Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?


Except that just making your skin look darker is not blackface.  Do a little bit of research first (to those biatching).  I could understand the butthurt if it was really blackface, but it wasn't.  I think people jump on band wagons just so they can say "look, see, I'm not racist.  I'm offended by this too!"
 
2013-10-28 12:42:51 PM

hardinparamedic: Anyone using that phrase, or the phrase "Race Realism" should be laughed at


I heard that term for the first time in some farkette's profile, I don't remember her name. I didn't read about it because I didn't feel like pouring bleach into my eyeballs.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:04 PM

cowsspinach: Interesting. What about when blacks wear the "white faces"? Isn't that racist?


See the comments above.

To answer your question, it may not be done out of racism, but it will perceived as racism.  The difference is it's not as serious when a person who isn't white does it.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:23 PM
Can't we all just get along? Let's all be black and white and yellow and brown. We can do this!!!
 
2013-10-28 12:45:47 PM
You have to understand the mentality of people who use the phrase "white guilt" in reference to people calling them out for sounding racist.

Your circular logic is fascinating
 
2013-10-28 12:45:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: HeartBurnKid: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

As a fellow white male aged 34 who does not have familial roots in 1860's America, I'm going to step in and point out that what some people refer to as "white guilt" is more commonly known as "not being a racist asshole".

In my experience it's more "feign outrage at minor politically incorrect offenses and demand change on the most superficial level while living in a segregated community if not a segregated state."

Again, YMMV


There's mileage varying, and then there's someone selling that "one weird trick to never have to fill your tank again".

fortheloveofgod: Kygz: So much butthurt, why is blackface so bad if you're costuming as a black person?

Except that just making your skin look darker is not blackface.  Do a little bit of research first (to those biatching).  I could understand the butthurt if it was really blackface, but it wasn't.  I think people jump on band wagons just so they can say "look, see, I'm not racist.  I'm offended by this too!"


img.gawkerassets.com

So you're trying to tell me that this isn't "really blackface"?

Pull the other one, it has bells on.
 
2013-10-28 12:46:19 PM

Brosef Stalin: DoomPaul: There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them think blackface is amusing and don't care if you're offended. You're just going to have to deal with it.

There are over 7 billion people on the planet. Some of them think molesting children is amusing and don't care if you're offended. See how little logic your comment makes now? There's disgusting people on the planet, and just cos they exist (as your comment implies) doesn't mean we have to keep quiet and `deal with it`. Yes some people find racist humour amusing but that doesn't make it acceptable or them any less ignorant.


False equivalency is false.

/but nice try
 
2013-10-28 12:54:06 PM
In Milan, therefore mostly Italians, and thus most were likely half-black to begin with.

/the Moors, you know...
 
2013-10-28 01:01:45 PM
Mississippi Gary would like a word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAudf74RCEs
 
2013-10-28 01:09:39 PM

Shostie: I wouldn't say it's NEVER been funny.

We might not find it funny right now, but in the 20s, it was a f*cking riot, apparently.

Also, what RedPhoenix122 said.


It's about context in how it's used.

When Billy Crystal does his Sammy Davis Jr. impression it's funny but it's not mean spritied.
 
2013-10-28 01:11:20 PM

Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.


Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.
 
2013-10-28 01:11:27 PM
Alright, we'll give some land to the n@@@@@@ and the chinks, but we DON"T WANT THE IRISH!"

i1200.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-28 01:17:46 PM

browntimmy: And I can't think of one example in recent memory where a white person put on blackface and the joke was, "Look how stupid black people look."


I would say frat boys dressing "ghetto" or "gang" for Halloween is in that category.
 
2013-10-28 01:26:35 PM
i251.photobucket.com

There's blackface, and there's "doing blackface for a period piece that makes it look rediculous".

/We thought it would wash off.
 
2013-10-28 01:32:21 PM

silverjets: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.


White Girls was not racist. There is a double standard when it comes to labeling things as racist, but that's because so many things are labelled as racist against blacks that shouldn't be. The solution shouldn't be to then label a bunch of shiat aimed at white people as racist.
 
2013-10-28 01:38:54 PM
YoOjo:
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?

Not if you're a Gypsy, no.
 
2013-10-28 01:41:08 PM

Somacandra: baconbeard:[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x613]

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Irish cartoons and caricatures worked precisely because the Irish were not considered White at in American culture at the time. Immigrants became "White" in proportion to how/when other immigrants moved in to take their "immigrant" racial place, as well as national service, immigrant pushback and developing Protestant cultures.


Hilarious if you've ever slept with the typical Irish female. No nightlight required, even in a windowless room.
 
2013-10-28 02:07:46 PM

jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?


You know that "white guilt" isn't really a thing, right? There is no statistically significant percentage of white Americans wandering around thinking, "damn, I feel really guilty about the systematic racism directed at African Americans in this country throughout its history." White guilt is what racists think all non-racist white people have. They mistake "white guilt" for "acknowledging that racism is a bad thing."
 
2013-10-28 02:10:48 PM

someonelse: jaymanchu: I have a question, I'm a white male aged 37. All of my ancestors came to America after slavery had been abolished but before segregation ended.  Though I was born after all that crap and didn't partake in any of it.  As a white American, how much white guilt should I still have?

You know that "white guilt" isn't really a thing, right? There is no statistically significant percentage of white Americans wandering around thinking, "damn, I feel really guilty about the systematic racism directed at African Americans in this country throughout its history." White guilt is what racists think all non-racist white people have. They mistake "white guilt" for "acknowledging that racism is a bad thing."


No, the statistics are 65% of white women, and 55% of white men, basically, the people who voted for Obama. They feel guilty that working hard and not doing drugs and gang banging leads to a better life, so they want white males punished. Because, somehow, that fixes everything.
 
2013-10-28 02:18:48 PM

dv-ous: 1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations.

2) Fashionistas

Even if they were, they are soulless automatons without conscience or regard for others. So it doesn't matter.


Can't argue with 2, but for 1, uh, welcome to international relations.

/War of the Golden Stool, anyone?
 
2013-10-28 02:30:20 PM
Hi, black guy here. I've never quite understood the fascination with blackface as a costume choice. White people have millions of options for Halloween costumes. Pretty much every superhero is white (and so are most of the villains), the vast majority of characters from film, TV, and literature are white, as are most political figures, celebrities, and pop culture icons.

As a black kid growing up...there were only so many costumes you could wear without having to qualify or explain it ("I'm black Batman", "I'm black Dracula", etc). I always felt white people had it made when it came to Halloween. They could be damn near anything and pull it off. Why they'd want to be a black character when there are so many other options I'll never know.
 
2013-10-28 02:33:22 PM
One of Hollywood's biggest secrets is that Whoopi Goldberg is really a Korean guy wearing blackface. It's true, I saw it on TMZ.
 
2013-10-28 02:35:36 PM
No Zwarte Piet (Black Peter) reference yet?

www.vrijalmelo.nl
 
2013-10-28 02:53:27 PM

gwowen: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.


They're mostly black in Italy anyway...
 
2013-10-28 02:59:41 PM

I Browse: Hi, black guy here. I've never quite understood the fascination with blackface as a costume choice. White people have millions of options for Halloween costumes. Pretty much every superhero is white (and so are most of the villains), the vast majority of characters from film, TV, and literature are white, as are most political figures, celebrities, and pop culture icons.

As a black kid growing up...there were only so many costumes you could wear without having to qualify or explain it ("I'm black Batman", "I'm black Dracula", etc). I always felt white people had it made when it came to Halloween. They could be damn near anything and pull it off. Why they'd want to be a black character when there are so many other options I'll never know.


Surely it's Blackula, biatch!

But I get it. That's sort of fallout from the fact that Hallowe'en comes from the British Isles, top o' the pasty chart of melanin-deprivation. Also, if you want to go as Luke Cage or or the current Green Lantern or John Henry Irons or T'challa or Bishop, you have to have the body and/or the rockin' 'fro to pull it off.

Fat little white Batmans are sad, not adorable.
 
2013-10-28 03:02:49 PM
There are two sides of this... I don't think it's "offensive" if someone dresses up as a specific person of another race; perhaps if they are dressing up as a stereotype of another race, but not a specific character... Stop getting so butt hurt over nothing...

\\ Hey I'm dressed up as Obama is way different than, hey look at me, I'm a black guy.
 
2013-10-28 03:04:35 PM
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2013-10-28 03:10:27 PM
Eddie Murphy joust loves those Italians.

You know what I like about Stallone's movies?  The realism.  Because that's the way you gotta treat those farking moolies. They think they can farking push you around, "Oh, you big hotshot, get the fark out of here. Get the fark out of my face with that shiat."  That's what I like about Sly. He goes in and the moolies are beating him and he don't farking go down, he comes in and he cracks the farking moolie's hole like this. He falls on the ground. You know, you can really farking do that.  You see that farking big melanzane standing over there?  See that black guy over there at the line getting candy?  "Yeah."  All right. Now, he's about 6-10 . I'm 5-2. I ain't no big guy, all right?  But I'm Italian. Watch this.
 
2013-10-28 03:11:58 PM
YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?



How would Europe be ahead of the US in race relations in the 60's, if they barely had other races in their respective countries (except for maybe the UK and possibly France)?

And big deal about Europeans accepting slavery as an abomination faster than the US - it's not like they were running slave plantations on their soil and were importing large numbers of Africans into their countries.  I'm sure its real easy to come to grips that your merchants or companies dealt with slavery if you never dealt with it personally and don't have the ancestors of slaves living in the same cities.

I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.
 
2013-10-28 03:18:07 PM

SirEattonHogg: YoOjo: In Europe it's acknowledged that slavery was an abomination, but I think they moved on and dealt with the guilt better. Or maybe faster, seeing as race relations in the USA were behind those in Europe up until the 1960s.
Not sure what the answer is other than, can't we all just get along?


How would Europe be ahead of the US in race relations in the 60's, if they barely had other races in their respective countries (except for maybe the UK and possibly France)?

And big deal about Europeans accepting slavery as an abomination faster than the US - it's not like they were running slave plantations on their soil and were importing large numbers of Africans into their countries.  I'm sure its real easy to come to grips that your merchants or companies dealt with slavery if you never dealt with it personally and don't have the ancestors of slaves living in the same cities.

I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.


Colonialism.
 
2013-10-28 03:20:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: img.gawkerassets.com

So you're trying to tell me that this isn't "really blackface"?


Looks more like "batman-cowl" face.
 
2013-10-28 03:28:53 PM
Gunny Highway:  SirEattonHogg:  I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.

Colonialism.


Oh? Have Europeans really dealt with their legacy of colonialism?  Or more to the point, I don't think they are crazy about their former colonial subjects immigrating to their home country.  It was fine for them to use them for labor and get all the minerals/resources out but move to my neighborhood/city back in Europe?  Yeah, fark that. It was more - okay you're now independent - good luck with whatever we gave you (which varies depending on which colonial overlord you had).

The US (along with Australia, Canada and maybe the UK) are the only countries that have had an extensive and realistic track record of dealing with other races - or operating with a multi-racial society (both negatives and positives).
 
2013-10-28 03:31:55 PM

ReverendJynxed: gwowen: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Milan is in Italy. Italy's history of institutionalised racism is not the same as America's. These cultural differences do matter in how things like blackface are to be read.

They're mostly black in Italy anyway...


Sicilians......not northerners....
 
2013-10-28 03:32:31 PM

SirEattonHogg: Gunny Highway:  SirEattonHogg:  I don't think there is any reason to believe the Europeans are somehow more enlightened about dealing with other races than Americans.

Colonialism.

Oh? Have Europeans really dealt with their legacy of colonialism?  Or more to the point, I don't think they are crazy about their former colonial subjects immigrating to their home country.  It was fine for them to use them for labor and get all the minerals/resources out but move to my neighborhood/city back in Europe?  Yeah, fark that. It was more - okay you're now independent - good luck with whatever we gave you (which varies depending on which colonial overlord you had).

The US (along with Australia, Canada and maybe the UK) are the only countries that have had an extensive and realistic track record of dealing with other races - or operating with a multi-racial society (both negatives and positives).


I was saying that they may not have had to deal with slavery in the modern era but they did oversee colonies into the 20th Century and that did not turn out  well for anyone.  I was agreeing.
 
2013-10-28 03:35:26 PM
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As for the 30Rock images, Jon Hamm in blackface was hysterical, specifically because of Tracy Morgan's character provided the counterbalance. Jane Krakowski as Jenna as Lynn Swann is more problematic.
 
2013-10-28 03:36:08 PM
As a brown person I really hate this hysteria that rises up every time someone dares to put on makeup to make their skin look dark.  On a visceral level it just comes down to people getting freaked out over someone having dark skin and just perpetuating racism and that dark skin=bad correlation.  PC Liberal crap in a way just makes racism worse.  If someone isn't racist to begin with, this crap just makes it so a white person can't even look at dark skin without immediately associating negative feelings of guilt, self-consciousness, anxiety.

As for classical blackface, I agree it's not funny, but I don't understand what some 50's circus-clownish caricature has to do with modern-day racism or stereotypes about blacks.  It just seems really old-fashioned and foreign, completely divorced from stereotypical images of blacks, so personally it just seems random and odd, not offensive.

I actually like the Black Peter costumes, they are pretty cool, and tend to be beautiful and colorful.
 
2013-10-28 03:42:53 PM
Gunny Highway:
I was saying that they may not have had to deal with slavery in the modern era but they did oversee colonies into the 20th Century and that did not turn out  well for anyone.  I was agreeing.

Oh, I see what you mean.  Okay-doke.


Forty-Two:
As for the 30Rock images, Jon Hamm in blackface was hysterical, specifically because of Tracy Morgan's character provided the counterbalance. Jane Krakowski as Jenna as Lynn Swann is more problematic.


Lol.  I thought Tracy Morgan was Asian in that pic... like SE Asian.
 
2013-10-28 03:54:27 PM
Someone really needs to tell all the girls who like ganguro this sagely piece of advice. It's fugly as hell.
 
2013-10-28 03:55:35 PM
SirEattonHogg:


Lol.  I thought Tracy Morgan was Asian in that pic... like SE Asian.

Is that code for "Tiger Woods black"?
 
2013-10-28 04:00:04 PM
Valiente:  Is that code for "Tiger Woods black"?


Cablinasian, puhleease!
 
2013-10-28 04:01:37 PM
I'm sure it was funny back in the day before it was politically incorrect.  "Offensive" and "funny" are separated by a thin and ever-shifting line.
 
2013-10-28 04:21:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: silverjets: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.

White Girls was not racist. There is a double standard when it comes to labeling things as racist, but that's because so many things are labelled as racist against blacks that shouldn't be. The solution shouldn't be to then label a bunch of shiat aimed at white people as racist.


So if it had been two white male actors and the movie was called Black Girls or Asian Girls or Indian Girls or Arab Girls or Latinas you would still maintain that it's not racist?
 
2013-10-28 04:34:08 PM
I'd say it depends on the situation as to whether or not it's offensive, and what's offensive to me isn't necessarily going to be offensive to someone else (and vice versa). I'd find the blackface in that particular article offensive as well as the chained "slaves" featured in that same article. The Julianne Hough thing, not so much. Fred Armisen playing Barack Obama on SNL? Yes, but only because it was a crappy impression. (I've seen Jon Stewart do better.)

When it's all said and done, though, I think we'll survive the stupidity of other people so long as it's harmless and they're not forcing others to endure it in their workplace or anything.
 
2013-10-28 04:59:34 PM
After reading this thread, I'm completely offended and angry.  Goddammit!  When is the white man finally going to get a BREAK in this country?  It's so unfair!
 
2013-10-28 05:09:11 PM
sorry, y'all

i'm with the racists on this one
 
2013-10-28 05:44:23 PM
I wouldn't say "never has been funny", personally it just embarrasses me and to me it's offensive and idiotically inconsiderate.  In the past there were a few Black comedians who played to Black audiences and I guess they were funny because they sold a lot of Vaudeville theater tickets and made a lot of money but that was when my grandparents were children so I have no idea.

I didn't see the Spike Lee movie Bamboozled, did anyone consider it funny?
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2013-10-28 05:49:31 PM
silverjets: So if it had been two white male actors and the movie was called Black Girls or Asian Girls or Indian Girls or Arab Girls or Latinas you would still maintain that it's not racist?


I dunno.  Done correctly, it's pretty damn funny.

www.foxflash.com
 
2013-10-28 05:58:14 PM

DerAppie: ThrobblefootSpectre: skinink: "1) European

They have no cultural baggage and aren't operating under the same set of rules as USAmericans re: race relations."
Europe has it's own race issues, though unique in its own way. Haven't there been stories about black soccer players having bananas thrown at them by the fans, other players giving Fascist salutes to the fans, and Roma people being harasses and discriminated against? Plus antisemitism issues here and there? I like Europe but I wouldn't pretend that it's a perfect multicultural continent.

You mean besides running the atlantic slave trade? The u.s. was a smalltime cutomer. Europe was the dealer.

Then the Africans and Arabs were running the slave trade and the Europeans were just the middle men. Most slaves sold by the Dutch were bought from African and Arabian slavers. If you are looking for people to blame you can always go one further. Besides, slavery was 150 years ago. Anyone who is still making excuses for it or basing excuses on it should just get over it.


I agree with you. I was just debunking the wildly false notion that only the U.S. has slavery baggage, and Europe (or anyone else) has none. The U.S. represented about 5% of the atlantic slave trade business conducted by Europe.

Me, I happen to be primarily Irish and Native American heritage. I am not retroactively butthurt by proxy. I resent neither what happened in Ireland 2 centuries ago at the hands of the British, nor what happened in the U.S. two centuries ago at the hands of the U.S. government. It is all part of the interesting, if rather sad and tragic, history of the human race. But I have never in my life felt personally aggrieved. I think Irish jokes are funny, and have several favorites of my own, that poke fun at my heritage. "So two drunk Paddies are having an argument in O'Malley's bar. The first one says....'
 
2013-10-28 06:27:43 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: It depends on how it's done, Dave.
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Don't forget that Papa Lazarou used whiteface, too:

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2013-10-28 06:56:44 PM

silverjets: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: silverjets: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.

White Girls was not racist. There is a double standard when it comes to labeling things as racist, but that's because so many things are labelled as racist against blacks that shouldn't be. The solution shouldn't be to then label a bunch of shiat aimed at white people as racist.

So if it had been two white male actors and the movie was called Black Girls or Asian Girls or Indian Girls or Arab Girls or Latinas you would still maintain that it's not racist?


Yeah that's correct. I have this crazy definition of racism where it means to treat a person negatively solely based on their skin color.
 
2013-10-28 07:54:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: silverjets: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: silverjets: Mugato: doubled99: I guess "White Girls" is the most offensive movie ever then.

White people don't have a history of extremely racist cartoons about them being depicted as animals or Amos n Andy or the aforementioned minstrel shows. Hence the difference.

Err....wrong.

Racism is racism.  Doesn't matter if there is a history there or not.   White Girls was racist.

White Girls was not racist. There is a double standard when it comes to labeling things as racist, but that's because so many things are labelled as racist against blacks that shouldn't be. The solution shouldn't be to then label a bunch of shiat aimed at white people as racist.

So if it had been two white male actors and the movie was called Black Girls or Asian Girls or Indian Girls or Arab Girls or Latinas you would still maintain that it's not racist?

Yeah that's correct. I have this crazy definition of racism where it means to treat a person negatively solely based on their skin color.


Today I learned that ridiculing somebody by painting yourself up to look like a caricature of them and portraying them in a negative manner isn't treating them negatively.
 
2013-10-28 08:06:36 PM
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LOOK GUYS, I'M LEECH AL JOLSON!!!!
 
2013-10-28 10:58:05 PM
How come you whities gotta tight ass?

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LOOK GUYS, I'M LEECH AL JOLSON!!!!


That guy...was an entertainer.
 
2013-10-29 03:06:45 AM
Can we also include a ban on clowns?

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I just don't like clowns.
 
2013-10-29 03:58:18 AM
Blackface can be funny with the right joke. There's nothing wrong trying to copy somebody's skin color for the sake of comedy.
 
2013-10-29 06:40:58 AM
And if a black man paints his face white to spoof white culture?
 
2013-10-29 08:19:47 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And if a black man paints his face white to spoof white culture?


Never happened before
 
2013-10-29 08:55:13 AM
I like being vicariously offended for other people.
 
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