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(SFGate)   Okay, we've had to close down the nursing home. Let's see, we've turned off the power, shut off the water, disconnected the cable...hmm...are we forgetting anything else?   (sfgate.com ) divider line
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2013-10-28 08:46:04 AM  
Nelson said an investigation could potentially result in elder abuse charges.

You spelled "should" wrong.
 
2013-10-28 09:07:36 AM  
They only moved the gravestones!
 
2013-10-28 09:15:44 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Nelson said an investigation could potentially result in elder abuse charges.

You spelled "should" wrong.


"must"
 
2013-10-28 09:17:17 AM  
Go Directly to Hell. Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200.

/*does not apply to the three who stayed
 
2013-10-28 09:17:47 AM  

brimed03: I_Am_Weasel: Nelson said an investigation could potentially result in elder abuse charges.

You spelled "should" wrong.

"must"


"will result"
 
2013-10-28 09:20:12 AM  
Good thing California has all those laws designed to safeguard your health/safety.

I pray to God when it's time, I that I just drop dead.
 
2013-10-28 09:21:01 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: brimed03: I_Am_Weasel: Nelson said an investigation could potentially result in elder abuse charges.

You spelled "should" wrong.

"must"

"will result"


"will indubitably"
 
2013-10-28 09:21:43 AM  
Good god, they weren't forgotten, subby, they were abandoned.
 
2013-10-28 09:25:29 AM  

gopher321: Good god, they weren't forgotten, subby, they were abandoned.


And in the health care industry, abandonment leads straight to sue city.
 
2013-10-28 09:26:38 AM  

gopher321: Good god, they weren't forgotten, subby, they were abandoned.


Yep. Farking abandoned. The small staff trying to take care of them were doing it without pay. Management basically left them to die.
 
2013-10-28 09:27:19 AM  
Better article.

Wow, this is farked up.
 
2013-10-28 09:29:54 AM  
Sheriff's Sgt. J.D. Nelson said the staff members who stayed included a cook, janitor and a single caretaker who felt bad for the patients.

:( First goddamn article I read on a Monday
 
2013-10-28 09:33:07 AM  

picturescrazy: gopher321: Good god, they weren't forgotten, subby, they were abandoned.

Yep. Farking abandoned. The small staff trying to take care of them were doing it without pay. Management basically left them to die.


Those three are goddamn heroes.
 
2013-10-28 09:33:27 AM  
Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.~Pearl S. Buck
 
2013-10-28 09:33:29 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Nelson said an investigation could potentially result in elder abuse charges.

You spelled "should" wrong.


They will handle it internally and assure us it will never happen again.
 
2013-10-28 09:34:01 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Good thing California has all those laws designed to safeguard your health/safety.

I pray to God when it's time, I that I just drop dead.


Yep. Peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like my passengers.

/loves old jokes
 
2013-10-28 09:35:43 AM  
Horrible.
 
2013-10-28 09:37:39 AM  
And of course the three caretakers who were still there will be charged because they didn't call 911 or something.

Meanwhile the operator will get a stiff $5000 fine.
 
2013-10-28 09:41:51 AM  

thatboyoverthere: picturescrazy: gopher321: Good god, they weren't forgotten, subby, they were abandoned.

Yep. Farking abandoned. The small staff trying to take care of them were doing it without pay. Management basically left them to die.

Those three are goddamn heroes.


They sure are.  Bless them.
 
2013-10-28 09:43:34 AM  
But think about how much worse it would have been if things like homes for the elderly were run by the state government. It would be hell I tells ya.
 
2013-10-28 09:44:27 AM  
To quote Christmas Vacation, "That's pretty low, mister! If I had a rubber hose, I would beat you..."
 
2013-10-28 09:50:06 AM  
The owners of the care home should be sentenced to live in one of their own facilities til death. Shouldn't take long.......
 
2013-10-28 10:01:36 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: And of course the three caretakers who were still there will be charged because they didn't call 911 or something.

Meanwhile the operator will get a stiff $5000 fine.


But he's a job creator.
 
2013-10-28 10:02:27 AM  

PunkRockLawyer: Better article.

Wow, this is farked up.


Stories like this always make me fearful of winding up in a retirement home like this and just being treated like trash by uncaring workers. I would wish that the owners of this care center as well as the workers on site who abandoned the people are all charged. That's some really horrible treatment of others.
 
2013-10-28 10:03:50 AM  
Hey, is that the same J.D. Nelson of MythBusters fame?  Maybe he should get the guys, find the people that ran the home and blow their sh*t up...
 
2013-10-28 10:04:40 AM  
The three that stayed behind.
www.comedy.co.uk
 
2013-10-28 10:06:18 AM  
24 comments and no "Thanks, Obama??"

Wazzup Fark?!
 
2013-10-28 10:09:17 AM  
Michael Weston, a spokesman for theCalifornia Department of Social Services, told KPIX-TV that social service officials had checked on the facility Saturday and were told the patients would be cared for over the weekend.
The facility came to the attention of law enforcement Saturday after paramedics responding to an emergency call found a small staff struggling to care for the residents, Nelson said.


Sounds like a BIG FAT FAIL for the Department of Social Services
Post a "closure notice" for failure to maintain standards, and then just accept the word of those same people that they'll look after everything.  You inspect and go away the same day that paramedics and police discover the sh*tshow?  Yeah, the owners should face jail time.  And anyone at the Department of Social Services that was involved with this closure order and inspection should be FIRED at a bare minimum, and maybe face a bit of jail time for gross negligence of their job duties.
 
2013-10-28 10:09:57 AM  

Resident Muslim: 24 comments and no "Thanks, Obama??"

Wazzup Fark?!


You got a broken arm or something? Get on it!
 
2013-10-28 10:26:21 AM  
While the operators seem like dickbags (according to TFA and the SFGate link above), and those that stayed deserve a lot of credit for what they did, the State should shoulder a lot more blame for what happened then what they are getting. IF the facility was as bad as depicted for as long as stated then it was incumbent upon them to actually monitor the shutdown with ONSITE PERSONNEL. Instead, they swooped in PRIOR TO the weekend, proclaimed 'YOU'RE CLOSED', and then left. BZZZZZZT.... wrong answer.

What should have happened: the state comes in and says that the facility will close in two weeks, period. A monitor will come by daily to oversee the process and make sure that the owners and staff are doing what should be done. And that they have that long to find alternate facilities for all patients. Basically state oversight for the shutdown process.

Of course it sounds like that that should have happened 5 years ago, but that's a different story.

/thanks 0bama?
 
2013-10-28 10:31:30 AM  

hoo_hoo_fred: The three that stayed behind.
[www.comedy.co.uk image 300x400]


Watching Hamster on a Piano.
 
2013-10-28 10:34:10 AM  
What...someone left the iron on?

*reads TFA*

OH, I see.  Someone forgot to pack 14 Craftmatic adjustable beds.  Dumbasses.
 
2013-10-28 10:46:17 AM  
What likely happened is the place was shut down and thr owner was ordered to stop operating under penalty of law. No other place would take the "worst" of their patients, so it was a catch 22. The right thing would have been to call 911, have them all sent to EDs for "unable to care for self", then lock the door. That way it becomes the hospitals problem to find them a new bed.

Hint: buy good long term care insurance, because medicaid beds are liquid death.
 
2013-10-28 10:53:59 AM  
How dare someone forget about the elders I dumped in there and forgot about.
 
2013-10-28 10:57:21 AM  
My first two thoughts:

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

and

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

 But seriously, I hope there are jailings and license revocations because of this.
 
2013-10-28 11:11:18 AM  

alex10294: What likely happened is the place was shut down and thr owner was ordered to stop operating under penalty of law. No other place would take the "worst" of their patients, so it was a catch 22. The right thing would have been to call 911, have them all sent to EDs for "unable to care for self", then lock the door. That way it becomes the hospitals problem to find them a new bed.


Why not find a place with lots of open slots, like a city bus? Put them on a bus, let the bus company figure out what to do. Preferably a bus that goes near city hall or better, the legislature.
Or just park them in the audience of a local TV stations local audience show.
 
2013-10-28 11:23:30 AM  
Subby, this wasn't a nursing home.  This was an assisted living facility.

That isn't an issue of semantics; nursing homes get federal regulation, while assisted living gets whatever regulation the state it's in feels like doing.  Assisted care is for those who need just a little help during the day, while nursing homes are for those who need 24 hour care; the people left behind in this one belonged in a nursing home.  Assisted care facilities often put on a dog-and-pony show to make themselves look like nursing homes so they can charge you nursing home prices.  Nursing homes have nursing staff, by which I mean actual nurses; assisted care facilities may or may not have nurses visiting during the day, but the staff are mostly people off the street with an 8 hour training session.  Anyone reading this comment could probably get work at an assisted care facility this week if they wanted to.
 
2013-10-28 11:32:35 AM  
When we got "the call" from the doctor for my Mom, and he told me to get on the other line, and we listened from different rooms as he told us that her cancer was basically bodily wildfire and they'd keep her comfortable as best as they could. She and I met in the middle of the kitchen, me feeling the wave of one of those cries where you're whole body shakes starting up, and her just beaming. "HA! No nursing home! You better not cry! I'm gonna die soon and at home!". (she did)

She and my Aunt went through places like the article describes in trying to find a place for my Grandma. One director thought they'd asked so many questions they MUST be press. . .  he locked them into his office and blocked the door, and asked them which media outlet they were from. Another place where Grandma did end up living for a while kept her so doped up she hallucinated there were bugs in her toes, and told me in great description about a plane crash that happened outside of the home (airline crash movie had run on TV the night before).

I think often about how I want either that wildfire of cancer, or to just stroke out and die in my sleep. ANYTHING but one of these places.
 
2013-10-28 12:36:04 PM  
Grandpa can always go to the Burlesque house...unless his grandson is working the door.
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2013-10-28 01:46:03 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Those three are goddamn heroes.


DigitalCoffee: those that stayed deserve a lot of credit for what they did


Yes, but only assuming that they're all mentally disabled themselves, which is what I'm assuming. (Entirely possible as the facility's owners apparently weren't very picky in who they hired.) The smart thing to do, when faced with so many vulnerable people and almost the entire staff walking out, would have been to call 911 immediately. How could they think they could continue doing everything themselves? What were they going to do if the days stretched into weeks? Come to think of it, by what authority were they even on the premises and looking after people, if they weren't getting paid? If things had gone worse, I could see someone (a relative, the state, or the facility owner) trying to put blame on the "skeleton crew" by arguing that they had no right to be there and whatever happened was partly their fault. (Not saying it wouldn't be scummy, but I could see it happening.)
 
2013-10-28 02:10:42 PM  
Golly gee whizz.  I live in fly over country.  I thought the liberals in San Fran were compassionate and caring. Kumbaya, kumbaya..
 
2013-10-28 02:21:29 PM  

PunkRockLawyer: thatboyoverthere: Those three are goddamn heroes.

Yes, but only assuming that they're all mentally disabled themselves, which is what I'm assuming. (Entirely possible as the facility's owners apparently weren't very picky in who they hired.) The smart thing to do, when faced with so many vulnerable people and almost the entire staff walking out, would have been to call 911 immediately. How could they think they could continue doing everything themselves? What were they going to do if the days stretched into weeks?


In all fairness, they did call 911, and I suspect they'd made all kinds of other calls first.

My guess based on the better article linked to by Punk Rock Lawyer:

Social Services ordered the place closed and said: "We'll be back on Saturday to see how things are going." The rest of the staff left en masse (as desscribed in TFA) and some stayed expecting to be relieved of their duties by SOMEONE. When no one showed up, they probably started making calls and ran into a cycle "Not my problem, call your boss. If you can't reach your boss, still not my problem." Their calls probably just got set back to Social Services, who probably said: "Yes, we are aware that the place is shut down. Arrangements are being made to re-home the patients. If you have questions talk to your boss." RInse. Repeat.

They probably figured they only had to hold out until Saturday when Social Services was due to come back. How/if they stayed beyond their regular shifts or had any other relief from other workers I don't know.

Social Services stopped by on Saturday as they said they would... then left. Then the workers called 911. That's why the 911 call was the same day as the Social Services visit.

My mom worked at a clinic. One day elderly man suffering dementia show up at their clinic. Her description of trying to get him some kind of emergency nursing home type care, while the police figured out who he was and where he was supposed to be, is absolutely nightmarish.
 
2013-10-28 02:46:44 PM  

EatsCrayons: some stayed expecting to be relieved of their duties by SOMEONE. When no one showed up, they probably started making calls and ran into a cycle "Not my problem, call your boss. If you can't reach your boss, still not my problem." Their calls probably just got set back to Social Services, who probably said: "Yes, we are aware that the place is shut down. Arrangements are being made to re-home the patients. If you have questions talk to your boss." RInse. Repeat.

They probably figured they only had to hold out until Saturday when Social Services was due to come back. How/if they stayed beyond their regular shifts or had any other relief from other workers I don't know.

Social Services stopped by on Saturday as they said they would... then left. Then the workers called 911. That's why the 911 call was the same day as the Social Services visit.


That's plausible. If that's what happened, then the workers did the right thing. You're assuming a lot though. Personally I assumed that the workers just . . . kept working, without putting a lot of thought into what other options they could try. But maybe that's just me being cynical.

My mom worked at a clinic. One day elderly man suffering dementia show up at their clinic. Her description of trying to get him some kind of emergency nursing home type care, while the police figured out who he was and where he was supposed to be, is absolutely nightmarish.

Your story reminds me of The Death of Mr. Lazarescu. Which I refuse to see, because there are enough real stories along these lines without adding fictional ones.
 
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