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(Huffington Post)   Juan Williams is apparently no longer part of Fox News   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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2013-10-28 10:17:06 AM  
FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!
 
2013-10-28 10:32:49 AM  
Of course, RangeRover™ offered Brit a lifetime maintenance warranty so he's covered for the negiotated human lifetime equivalent and the dealer will replace all his parts for free.
 
2013-10-28 10:33:57 AM  
victoriajackson.com
Sure. Republicans have a new professional black friend now: Joe the Plumber 2.0!
 
2013-10-28 10:36:47 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!


Yeah, it's just the craziest kind of hairsplitting. And I bet I can find dozens of quotes from Administration officials including BOB with a qualifier along the lines of 'if the plan meets minimal standards'
 
2013-10-28 10:36:54 AM  
I've been idly wondering when Juan Williams was going to get the axe at Faux News. He's really only there because of a disagreement with NPR/PBS, but that's only going to get him so far. He sounds (mostly) reasonable when I hear him on Faux panels, so...GTFO?

I've been expecting this. Yes I realize TFA doesn't actually say he's done at Faux.
 
2013-10-28 10:44:17 AM  
That's okay, he's still got a stellar career as a composer.
 
2013-10-28 10:44:49 AM  
Yeap, a president has never said something that didn't work out the way they wanted it to...

www.outsidethebeltway.com

granted, HW Bush lost the following election and in Obama's case, his statement on being able to keep current coverage might hurt his chances of being re-elected in 2016.  We will have to wait and see.
 
2013-10-28 10:44:57 AM  

EyeballKid: [victoriajackson.com image 620x599]
Sure. Republicans have a new professional black friend now: Joe the Plumber 2.0!


www.trekcore.com
 
2013-10-28 10:45:00 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!


I'm getting to keep my coverage, so is my wife the coverage from her job. Most people with healthcare already are getting to keep their plans. Some people with insurance plans which had shiatty coverage - thus passing the risks of their underinsurance to the rest of society - are getting changes as shiatty plans are being required to meet reasonable minimums.

Obama didn't say "every single person without exception" would get to keep their insurance plans. He spoke broadly, and broadly speaking he was correct. Most people are getting to keep the plan they already had.
 
2013-10-28 10:45:47 AM  
I hear Allen West is free.
 
2013-10-28 10:47:28 AM  

mongbiohazard: xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!

I'm getting to keep my coverage, so is my wife the coverage from her job. Most people with healthcare already are getting to keep their plans. Some people with insurance plans which had shiatty coverage - thus passing the risks of their underinsurance to the rest of society - are getting changes as shiatty plans are being required to meet reasonable minimums.

Obama didn't say "every single person without exception" would get to keep their insurance plans. He spoke broadly, and broadly speaking he was correct. Most people are getting to keep the plan they already had.


I also have the same plan I had before. Prices went up a bit but not a whole lot.
 
2013-10-28 10:47:41 AM  
Jaun Williams was hired to deliver on the promise that fox news tolerates intolerance.  The irony of hiring a person of color to appeal to their Klan viewership's sense of ideals is just one of the many bizzaro world artifacts republican cognitive dissonance has given us in the past decade and a half.

Someone should gather up all this stuff and make a museum after sanity starts to reassert itself.
 
2013-10-28 10:49:39 AM  
No, actually he is technically incorrect.

1) If you did not have coverage before, you *can* still choose not to have it, and pay the fine.  So, you can keep your coverage.
2) If you had coverage below bronze level and it got cancelled, you can still keep that coverage.  You just have to get policy that has *more* coverage.  So, you can keep your coverage.
3) If you had a plan that passed the requirements under ACA, you can keep your coverage.

See, I can parse things to the point of ridiculousness too!

These people would find a way to complain if one person couldn't keep their coverage even if it was due to the insurance company just choosing not to continue a poorly-enrolled plan.
 
2013-10-28 10:50:07 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!


Not really. When Obama said that he was right:
"Grandfathered plans are those that were in existence on March 23, 2010 and have stayed basically the same. But they can enroll people after that date and still maintain their grandfathered status. In other words, even if you joined a grandfathered plan after March 23, 2010, the plan may still be grandfathered. The status depends on when the plan was created, not when you joined it."
 
2013-10-28 10:50:47 AM  

mongbiohazard: 'm getting to keep my coverage, so is my wife the coverage from her job. Most people with healthcare already are getting to keep their plans. Some people with insurance plans which had shiatty coverage - thus passing the risks of their underinsurance to the rest of society - are getting changes as shiatty plans are being required to meet reasonable minimums.

Obama didn't say "every single person without exception" would get to keep their insurance plans. He spoke broadly, and broadly speaking he was correct. Most people are getting to keep the plan they already had.


In the all or nothing world of the conservative mind, any deviation from 100% is absolute failure.  So whether or not the caveat "meeting minimum standards" was given is irrelevant.

And let's be farking honest; anything whatsoever that could be construed or manipulated as a deviation from this 100% was going to be used to show the ACA was a complete failure was going to be.

Still waiting to hear the benefits of the Republican plan for health care reform.
 
2013-10-28 10:55:48 AM  
Obamacare is going to need some tweaking. I'll be the first to admit it. The sad truth is that House conservatives aren't interesting in helping to fix Obamacare, only vote on its repeal a record number of times.

Has any legislation been passed in the House 43(??) times without a snowball's chance in hell of actually being made law? Is that not the very definition of insanity?

/by tweaking i mean made into a single payer system.
 
2013-10-28 10:56:22 AM  

born_yesterday: Still waiting to hear the benefits of the Republican plan for health care reform.


Please, conservative logic 101 dictates that if the person you're disagreeing with is wrong, then you must be right.  The "bad guys" being wrong is equivalent to the "good guys" being right.

It's like how they can point out "flaws" in evolution and think that somehow substantiates creationism.  Or similarly, how if Saddam Hussein was bad, that justifies the entire Iraq war.
 
2013-10-28 10:56:54 AM  

bdub77: I hear Allen West is free.


He'd make a great correspondent to Israel.
 
2013-10-28 10:59:00 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!


"Aw, twenty dollars? But I wanted a peanut!"
 
2013-10-28 11:05:51 AM  
Are there any numbers out there? So far all I've heard is anecdotale stories and some hand wavey 5 million people are losing their policy stories.

Off the top of my head, it seems like instead of 100% of folks keeping their insurance exactly as it was before, it's now something like 97% of people hwo get their health insurance from their employer and roughly 80% of people who buy individual policies will now get to keep their insurance as is (assuming 25 million people on the individual market with 5 million losing their policies). So about 95% of people will get to keep their insurance as it is, and the remaining 5%, while not keeping their current policy, will still be able to buy insurance on the exchanges. Assuming half of those are able to get the same or better coverage at the same or lower premiums, that would bump us up to 97-98% of people.

So I could see maybe 2-3% of people with current insurance losing their coverage and having to either pay more or get a worse policy. But I would be willing to bet that every year a large of people with insurance are either dropped or forced into higher premium policies simply because health insurance is gerneally a for-profit industry.

And all of this excludes any discussion of people who previously had no health insurance who are now able to get it.
 
2013-10-28 11:08:10 AM  

born_yesterday: Still waiting to hear the benefits of the Republican plan for health care reform.


www.altergroup.com
 
2013-10-28 11:12:23 AM  

Hyjamon: Yeap, a president has never said something that didn't work out the way they wanted it to...

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 450x340]

granted, HW Bush lost the following election and in Obama's case, his statement on being able to keep current coverage might hurt his chances of being re-elected in 2016.  We will have to wait and see.


I personally think he has no shot at being re-elected in 2016
 
2013-10-28 11:14:22 AM  
> They're now being told they can't have those polices anymore.

They're being told that by private insurers
 
2013-10-28 11:16:00 AM  
So the problem is that people are getting more for less instead of less for more like they were before? Got it.
 
2013-10-28 11:22:44 AM  
I for one am outraged that I have to pay for stuff like cancer treatments for people who don't have the common decency not to live under powerlines!

What is this country coming to - paying for insurance for stuff that I don't want?  OUTRAGE!
 
2013-10-28 11:29:01 AM  

Clever Neologism: 2) If you had coverage below bronze level and it got cancelled, you can still keep that coverage.  You just have to get policy that has *more* coverage.  So, you can keep your coverage.


If I want really crappy insurance at a high cost, I can no longer get that insurance. I'll now be forced to get better insurance at the same price or less.

THANKS, OBAMA.
 
2013-10-28 11:30:07 AM  

DarwiOdrade: So the problem is that people are getting more for less instead of less for more like they were before? Got it.


SOCIALISM. BENGHAZI.
 
2013-10-28 11:36:47 AM  
I still haven't found where I'm supposed to submit my resume to get on a death panel.
 
2013-10-28 12:10:13 PM  
C'mon Juan.  You can have money or self-respect.  Which is it going to be?
 
2013-10-28 12:25:07 PM  

mongbiohazard: xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!

I'm getting to keep my coverage, so is my wife the coverage from her job. Most people with healthcare already are getting to keep their plans. Some people with insurance plans which had shiatty coverage - thus passing the risks of their underinsurance to the rest of society - are getting changes as shiatty plans are being required to meet reasonable minimums.

Obama didn't say "every single person without exception" would get to keep their insurance plans. He spoke broadly, and broadly speaking he was correct. Most people are getting to keep the plan they already had.


One of the things I've heard floating about is even if you can keep your plan, you may or may not be able to keep your doctor, because the doctor may not be part of the plan's network.  Something called "narrow coverage" or some shiat.  I saw the article here on FARK, so you know it's legit.

DarwiOdrade: So the problem is that people are getting more for less instead of less for more like they were before? Got it.


Some people just don't want to pay *more*, even if the coverage they were getting for that cheap price was shiatty.  It's all about the bottom line and ooga booga taxes socialism!
 
2013-10-28 12:31:27 PM  

Lando Lincoln: If I want really crappy insurance at a high cost, I can no longer get that insurance. I'll now be forced to get better insurance at the same price or less.


Actually, young people who want to scam the spirit of the insurance system kind of get it in the bum on this. If you're young and healthy you used to be able to get very high deductible insurance for very low premiums that basically covered nothing except a catastrophe. Since young people tend not to need much healthcare, they basically just paid the occasional office visit and that was it.

This in turn farks over everybody else because without youngsters paying in while they're still healthy, the system doesn't really work very well.

Of course, they eventually get older and the system then farks them over too, but forward-thinking isn't exactly something that's been available in abundance among republicans for the last fifteen to twenty years.
 
2013-10-28 12:48:53 PM  
Juan Williams was hired because FOX thought they might have someone who is not white and switched sides after the NPR flap. He looked like a perfect choice to try and embarrass and criticise the Democrats.

 When that did not pan out he stayed on to be the guy who Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity yells at.
 
2013-10-28 01:26:45 PM  
I for one am very angry at Obummercare. He lied, and he knows it, this lie that he told "if you have insurance, you
can keep it" is worse than any presidential lie ever. Worse than:
1. GW's assertion that there were WMD's in Iraq
2. Clinton's- I did not have sexual relations with that woman
3. Bush's- Read my lips no new huge taxes
4. Regan's- I do not recall if we sold weapons to our enemy to fund death squads
5. Worse than Carter's- lie that he would never lie to the American people
is that enough?

Oblahma's is worse because:
1. my friend Jim just went to the MN exchange after getting a letter from Cutratemedins.com
Jim's coverage has been cancelled
2. cutratemedins.com will now charge Jim $450 a month for insurance. Jim used to pay $45 per month.
3. That is an increase of 450%.
4. Jim's excellent insurance from cutratemedins.com was a personalized policy. Jim liked it and now he must take a policy from Obummercare.
4a. He likes his insurance from cutratemedins.com because it is run by an Objectivist businessman that does not
offer insurance to loafers, welfare queens, libtards, or socialisms. Only real americans who work can get insurance through
cutratemedins.com
5. The stupid socialisms Minnsure exchange will now charge Jim $280 per month (Jim can't afford this because he is currently
out of work) he is on a tight budget and only has $45 per month for insurance. Even with the so called "subsidy" Jim still has to
pay $36 out of pocket every month.
5a. Jim's $45 policy didn't require any subsidy, I think this makes it even more expensive but the math gets complicated, so let's
just stay with the fact that this is a 450% increase.
6. Jim doesn't need the following options provided by the socialisticized insurance
     a. preventive doctor visits
     b. emergency room visits
     c. hospital admissions
     d. home nurse visits
     e. pregnancy care
     f. cancer treatment
     g. chiropractic care

I rest Jim's case
 
2013-10-28 01:37:02 PM  

EyeballKid: Sure. Republicans have a new professional black friend now: Joe the Plumber 2.0!


Too bad such a brilliant mind and skilled surgery digits is caught up in such a mindless, insane cult.
 
2013-10-28 01:45:00 PM  
If nothing bad happens to me next year I will have paid all that insurance money for NOTHING!

Thanks Obama!

/That is an actual statement from the woman who cuts my hair, who, BTW, had an emergency appendectomy while on vacation last year.
 
2013-10-28 02:20:26 PM  

skozlaw: If you're young and healthy you used to be able to get very high deductible insurance for very low premiums that basically covered nothing except a catastrophe


As somebody whose waste-of-$100-a-month catastrophic coverage plan is going to be cancelled because of the ACA, I'd just like to say that I was perfectly fine with only getting coverage if I lost an arm or something. I'm looking at close to 4x as much money to get "better" Bronze-plan coverage, but the cost in my case is slightly more than all the money I save or see as disposable income. I'm looking at giving 10% of my income to an insurance company at essentially no value to myself instead of being able to save around 10% of my income as I have since I paid off my student loans 15 years ago.
One of the words in the proper name of Obamacare is "Affordable" but it's certainly reasonable to have some disagreement on the definition of that word. I wouldn't have a problem with that amount if I were getting single payer coverage out of the deal, but $5000/year for what amounts to a nice discount on an occasional visit to a GP is a goddamned waste of money.
 
2013-10-28 02:41:26 PM  

likefunbutnot: skozlaw: If you're young and healthy you used to be able to get very high deductible insurance for very low premiums that basically covered nothing except a catastrophe

As somebody whose waste-of-$100-a-month catastrophic coverage plan is going to be cancelled because of the ACA, I'd just like to say that I was perfectly fine with only getting coverage if I lost an arm or something. I'm looking at close to 4x as much money to get "better" Bronze-plan coverage, but the cost in my case is slightly more than all the money I save or see as disposable income. I'm looking at giving 10% of my income to an insurance company at essentially no value to myself instead of being able to save around 10% of my income as I have since I paid off my student loans 15 years ago.
One of the words in the proper name of Obamacare is "Affordable" but it's certainly reasonable to have some disagreement on the definition of that word. I wouldn't have a problem with that amount if I were getting single payer coverage out of the deal, but $5000/year for what amounts to a nice discount on an occasional visit to a GP is a goddamned waste of money.


If the cheapest bronze package available to you is greater than 8% of your income, you're exempt from Obamacare.
 
2013-10-28 03:28:13 PM  

xanadian: One of the things I've heard floating about is even if you can keep your plan, you may or may not be able to keep your doctor, because the doctor may not be part of the plan's network.


Well, yeah. That's obviously true. It has nothing to do with Obamacare, but it's true.
 
2013-10-28 03:31:33 PM  

xanadian: One of the things I've heard floating about is even if you can keep your plan, you may or may not be able to keep your doctor, because the doctor may not be part of the plan's network. Something called "narrow coverage" or some shiat. I saw the article here on FARK, so you know it's legit.


Here's the stupid thing about that; that happens EVERY F'ING YEAR regardless of Obamacare.
 
2013-10-28 03:33:31 PM  

smellysocksnshoes: I rest Jim's case


www.markoworld.com
 
2013-10-28 05:30:18 PM  

xanadian: FTFA:  He added that some plans are being cancelled because they do not meet Obamacare standards, but that those affected have received offers "for better packages at lower costs with more benefits."  [...]  Brit Hume disagreed, saying, "The president promised explicitly - we heard it on this program-if you like the coverage you have now you can keep it, period."

Well...Hume is correct.  Technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!


Hey, if there is anything that Republicans will stand up for, it is the right o large companies to rip off the stupid.
 
2013-10-28 06:10:28 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Clever Neologism: 2) If you had coverage below bronze level and it got cancelled, you can still keep that coverage.  You just have to get policy that has *more* coverage.  So, you can keep your coverage.

If I want really crappy insurance at a high cost, I can no longer get that insurance. I'll now be forced to get better  less crappy insurance at a higher price , unless I qualify for a subsidy..

THANKS, OBAMA  NIXON

FTFY, YOU DOLT!

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/01/book-conversation-power- po litics-and-universal-health-care.html

 
2013-10-28 07:12:36 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: xanadian: One of the things I've heard floating about is even if you can keep your plan, you may or may not be able to keep your doctor, because the doctor may not be part of the plan's network. Something called "narrow coverage" or some shiat. I saw the article here on FARK, so you know it's legit.

Here's the stupid thing about that; that happens EVERY F'ING YEAR regardless of Obamacare.


Yup. That's why I can't see my preferred doctor without paying through the nose now. He was left out of my employers coverage network a few years ago - before the ACA was passed. This is in no way a new phenomenon.
 
2013-10-29 02:16:36 AM  

DarwiOdrade: So the problem is that people are getting more for less instead of less for more like they were before? Got it.


I can understand some people's concerns.  My wife is 62 and there really is no need for us to be covered for things like prenatal care or maternity care or the like.  However, I am covered under my employer's plan and that is the way it has always been.  If I wasn't covered under that, I might have some issues with having to pay for that extra if I had to get coverage.  The main way it affects me is that if I move jobs and change coverage, at least they can't deny me because of my wife's preexisting conditions.   I'd probably be more concerned though that I didn't have insurance so I'm sure I'd just be glad to have a chance to get coverage.  Maybe next time they can change the law so insurance companies can sell across state lines and do something about the rediculous markup on prescription drugs.

I can always dream.
 
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