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(Telegraph)   Economists writing a report on health and the environment think companies should care about employees' family life and communities more than profits, everyone should just get along, oh look--a rainbow   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 164
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2013-10-28 06:19:40 AM  
And cut payroll by 25%.
 
2013-10-28 06:25:36 AM  
Should? The difference between should and 'is' is big enough to fit the known universe inside.

I keep having to explain to people that HR is NOT there for the employee. HR is there to keep the employees BS from causing a company issue. HR is company first, always. People don't believe me until they get burned a couple times.
 
2013-10-28 07:33:12 AM  
You mean when you treat people like people they treat you with respect and loyalty? YA DON'T SAY?
 
2013-10-28 08:01:35 AM  
Silly-  Employees aren't people, they are expenses. And sometimes you need to cut expenses.
 
2013-10-28 08:12:41 AM  
Should farmers also give their livestock 2 weeks paid vacation?
 
2013-10-28 08:20:03 AM  
Wow.  You mean happy workers mean they're more productive?

/shocking
 
2013-10-28 08:59:41 AM  
Having a family, friends or a social life is stealing from the company and should be prosecuted as such. We came up with that at last month's Executive Retreat in Key West.
 
2013-10-28 09:01:41 AM  
Most awesomely of all it would give us more time to fark, leading to a population explosion which would pretty much wipe out the planet. So keep those working weeks long enough to drain all the reproductive energy out of the population.
 
2013-10-28 09:12:34 AM  
I haven't really thought it through, but it seems to me that a lot of things that used to be done by humans are being done by machines, which seems like it will inevitably drive up unemployment permanently.  Shorter workweeks by more humans could combat that.  Then again, I work about 70 hours a week, so if long workweeks by fewer people is troublesome, I am part of the problem.
 
2013-10-28 09:22:34 AM  
You can increase productivity by keeping employees happy and loyal, or by running them into the ground and keeping them fearful.  The latter is cheaper and easier.
 
2013-10-28 09:23:04 AM  
Used to.

Used to be that people were employed full time, with health benefits, and a 20 year retirement.

Now business prefer to employ "flexible scheduling" to keep you below the benefits threshold, the Gov. had to step in and provide insurance, and retirement is 25 years and 65 in most places (if even offered).

Instead of being about your customer and staff, Corporate is now about shareholders and quarterly profit margin.
 
2013-10-28 09:24:23 AM  

Dinki: Silly-  Employees aren't people, they are expenses. And sometimes you need to cut expenses.


If you cut them in just the right way, they can be back to work in the afternoon.
 
2013-10-28 09:28:18 AM  

BHShaman: Used to.

Used to be that people were employed full time, with health benefits, and a 20 year retirement.

Now business prefer to employ "flexible scheduling" to keep you below the benefits threshold, the Gov. had to step in and provide insurance, and retirement is 25 years and 65 in most places (if even offered).

Instead of being about your customer and staff, Corporate is now about shareholders and quarterly profit margin.


Yeah, AT&T used to be one of those "cradle to grave" companies.  Those days are long gone.

My mom started in a data center there, and retired as the Director of Financial Operations (AP, Payroll, etc.).
 
2013-10-28 09:41:29 AM  

Diogenes: My mom started in a data center there, and retired as the Director of Financial Operations (AP, Payroll, etc.).


That would never happen today.  Data Centers are non-core business so her activity would be outsourced to some third party.   If a different vendor came in with a lower quote, she'd have the choice going with the new vender and taking a pay/benefits cut or staying the company and losing her job.
 
2013-10-28 09:43:09 AM  
When will we get away from this outmoded "salary" or "pay" model of slavery?

Whoever thought of it needs to spend some quality time in the dungeon.
 
2013-10-28 09:54:28 AM  
Keeping people miserable helps drive consumerism.  The more miserable people are, the more things they'll buy to stave off that misery.  This does require that you actually pay them, though, but I'm sure they'll find a way around this soon.

/buy more stuff to fill that sucking hole in your life
 
2013-10-28 10:09:15 AM  
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2013-10-28 10:11:48 AM  
People are plentiful, money is not. If you die, there are a dozen more people waiting eagerly to have their chance to replace you. The Mass Delusion that individuals can succeed in a corporate structure has taken over the entire population. The only options are extinction of the human race, or mass murder of the oligarchs
 
2013-10-28 10:34:58 AM  
"Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an "army of unemployed" almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals...."

Highlighted merely a few issues that constantly plague capitalism.
 
2013-10-28 10:36:51 AM  
Garbage in, garbage out. If you put crap into a process at any point, it will affect the entire process.
 
2013-10-28 10:37:39 AM  
Rainbow?


std3.ru
 
2013-10-28 10:45:06 AM  
Too busy exploiting them to worry about them.
 
2013-10-28 10:48:00 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Having a family, friends or a social life is stealing from the company and should be prosecuted as such. We came up with that at last month's Executive Retreat in Key West.


You laugh, but I personally had to deal with that perception at more than one of my employers. Being married, in my industry, is a strike against you - it means you won't be as willing to pull death marches, you may actually use vacation days for something other than extended sick days, and that you're willing to choose family over company when it comes time for that demonstration o' loyalty and commitment.
 
2013-10-28 10:53:26 AM  

FormlessOne: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Having a family, friends or a social life is stealing from the company and should be prosecuted as such. We came up with that at last month's Executive Retreat in Key West.

You laugh, but I personally had to deal with that perception at more than one of my employers. Being married, in my industry, is a strike against you - it means you won't be as willing to pull death marches, you may actually use vacation days for something other than extended sick days, and that you're willing to choose family over company when it comes time for that demonstration o' loyalty and commitment.


Let me guess, tech?
 
2013-10-28 10:54:17 AM  
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2013-10-28 11:04:19 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Having a family, friends or a social life is stealing from the company and should be prosecuted as such. We came up with that at last month's Executive Retreat in Key West.


Big corporate exec functions rarely happen on domestic shores anymore.  Too run-down.  Try the Bahamas.  They might have met with other chief officers of competing companies and had a little laugh.
 
2013-10-28 11:04:23 AM  

FormlessOne: You laugh, but I personally had to deal with that perception at more than one of my employers. Being married, in my industry, is a strike against you - it means you won't be as willing to pull death marches, you may actually use vacation days for something other than extended sick days, and that you're willing to choose family over company when it comes time for that demonstration o' loyalty and commitment.


It's the same as a researcher.  Not willing to put in 60-80 hours a week?  We'll find someone that will.
 
2013-10-28 11:07:15 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Should farmers also give their livestock 2 weeks paid vacation?


What happens if you don't let one of your fields lay fallow for a season?
 
2013-10-28 11:09:24 AM  
Yeah... good luck with that sh*t.
 
2013-10-28 11:10:43 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Should farmers also give their livestock 2 weeks paid vacation?

What happens if you don't let one of your fields lay fallow for a season?


Crop rotation.
 
2013-10-28 11:16:22 AM  
Sorry, but I'm not playing that corporate game anymore.
 
2013-10-28 11:19:53 AM  

llortcM_yllort: FormlessOne: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Having a family, friends or a social life is stealing from the company and should be prosecuted as such. We came up with that at last month's Executive Retreat in Key West.

You laugh, but I personally had to deal with that perception at more than one of my employers. Being married, in my industry, is a strike against you - it means you won't be as willing to pull death marches, you may actually use vacation days for something other than extended sick days, and that you're willing to choose family over company when it comes time for that demonstration o' loyalty and commitment.

Let me guess, tech?


Welcome to the world of software development, where "passion" is the buzzword and "commitment" means demonstrating that you're willing to make someone else's lack of planning into your emergency. The performance bonuses are nice, but it's hard to spend them after a karoshi-inspired funeral.
 
2013-10-28 11:20:56 AM  

born_yesterday: FormlessOne: You laugh, but I personally had to deal with that perception at more than one of my employers. Being married, in my industry, is a strike against you - it means you won't be as willing to pull death marches, you may actually use vacation days for something other than extended sick days, and that you're willing to choose family over company when it comes time for that demonstration o' loyalty and commitment.

It's the same as a researcher.  Not willing to put in 60-80 hours a week?  We'll find someone that will.


Even if we have to buy that person a visa. Heck, we can even use that visa to flog that person even harder. It's a sweet deal!
 
2013-10-28 11:26:54 AM  
Rule number 1 of buisness is to stay in buisness.  Can't care for anything if you are bankrupt.

After that, whynotboth.jpg.

The more profit you have, the more you can give to your community and employees.
 
2013-10-28 11:33:52 AM  
I used to work as a waiter at a large chain restaurant. I was assigned Monday double shifts, typically a slow day.
Get to work 10am - do an hour of work before clocking in.
11-1 make about $15. 1:15 get 'cut' from my morning shift. Spend ~$8 on lunch.
3pm Back to work for the night shift.
10pm the restaurant is closing, made about another $33 - clock out - do another hour of 'side work'
11:15 pm walk out the door with $40 for working 10am - 11pm with a lunch break

Next day we are told about how lucky we are to get as much as we are paid.
 
2013-10-28 11:40:04 AM  
Happy, healthy, well-paid people are much more likely to continue to buy whatever you sell, for a longer time, too.

Eventually, companies will not be able to NOT care about or invest in community.
 
2013-10-28 11:51:30 AM  

robbiex0r: Happy, healthy, well-paid people are much more likely to continue to buy whatever you sell, for a longer time, too.


What if I make malt liquor and hobo wine? What then? Huh, smart guy?
 
2013-10-28 11:58:38 AM  

thurstonxhowell: robbiex0r: Happy, healthy, well-paid people are much more likely to continue to buy whatever you sell, for a longer time, too.

What if I make malt liquor and hobo wine? What then? Huh, smart guy?


Meh, the cigarette companies seem to be doing just fine.
 
2013-10-28 12:01:36 PM  
American-style Capitalism is short-sighted and amoral. Its all about next quarter's profits with little thought to long term sustainability or strategic planning. We are forcing our society into "virus mode" where we consume our natural resources at an ever increasing rate just to keep the profits flowing.
 
2013-10-28 12:10:51 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Its all about next quarter's profits with little thought to long term sustainability or strategic planning.


Because next quarter's profit is more important to long-term buisness?  This might apply to some buisnesses, but those don't stay working for very long.  Just take a look at Catepillar last quarter.  Good profits, but sales are crashing and inventory is high.  Commodity prices are sagging and they know what is coming up.  Time to trim back the workforce due to the glut of equipement and decrease in sales.

It is not fun, but it is part of long term sustainability and strategic planning
 
2013-10-28 12:22:49 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Should farmers also give their livestock 2 weeks paid vacation?


Looking forward to someone making this case seriously enough to make me question if they are trolling or truly believe it.
 
2013-10-28 12:24:57 PM  

flucto: Most awesomely of all it would give us more time to fark, leading to a population explosion which would pretty much wipe out the planet. So keep those working weeks long enough to drain all the reproductive energy out of the population.


Surprisingly when the economy starting getting poopy and people had no money to go out and do things, they ended up just doing each other. So having extra time is very conducive to this, but people with economic options will pursue a lot of other interests in addition to chasing rabbits down holes etc.
 
2013-10-28 12:34:13 PM  

flucto: Most awesomely of all it would give us more time to fark


Maybe that's why so many teabaggers are eager to destroy the economy. It's their only shot at getting laid.

And if it doesn't work out, well, at least they farked America.
 
2013-10-28 12:36:26 PM  
Yeah nice try, you pinkos. This is capitalism, biatch.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:41 PM  

FarkedOver: "There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment;



This is a bad thing?  Just because you are able and willing does not mean that you have the right intrapersonal skills needed for said job.  Folks should be somewhat protected against losing thier job and employment based upon circumstances they cannot control.  In addition, there should be whistleblower protections.  Many of these protections are in place now.

However, forcing employment on companies is not going to work in any type of system (capitalist or socalist) in today's world.  Now if you want to bring back forced labor and slavery, then your point here may have merit.
 
2013-10-28 12:46:51 PM  

HeadLever: This is a bad thing? Just because you are able and willing does not mean that you have the right intrapersonal skills needed for said job. Folks should be somewhat protected against losing thier job and employment based upon circumstances they cannot control. In addition, there should be whistleblower protections. Many of these protections are in place now.

However, forcing employment on companies is not going to work in any type of system (capitalist or socalist) in today's world. Now if you want to bring back forced labor and slavery, then your point here may have merit.


Take it up with Einstein.  It's his quote.
 
2013-10-28 12:50:39 PM  

FarkedOver: HeadLever: This is a bad thing? Just because you are able and willing does not mean that you have the right intrapersonal skills needed for said job. Folks should be somewhat protected against losing thier job and employment based upon circumstances they cannot control. In addition, there should be whistleblower protections. Many of these protections are in place now.

However, forcing employment on companies is not going to work in any type of system (capitalist or socalist) in today's world. Now if you want to bring back forced labor and slavery, then your point here may have merit.

Take it up with Einstein.  It's his quote.


I wasn't aware Einstein was an economist.
 
2013-10-28 12:51:54 PM  

llortcM_yllort: FarkedOver: HeadLever: This is a bad thing? Just because you are able and willing does not mean that you have the right intrapersonal skills needed for said job. Folks should be somewhat protected against losing thier job and employment based upon circumstances they cannot control. In addition, there should be whistleblower protections. Many of these protections are in place now.

However, forcing employment on companies is not going to work in any type of system (capitalist or socalist) in today's world. Now if you want to bring back forced labor and slavery, then your point here may have merit.

Take it up with Einstein.  It's his quote.

I wasn't aware Einstein was an economist.


You're absolutely right.  The man couldn't comprehend how economies work.  He was an imbecile.  I am willing to bet most people commenting here are not economists, perhaps they should shut the fark up as well?
 
2013-10-28 12:56:59 PM  

FarkedOver: Take it up with Einstein


Little tough to right now.  I will take it up with the parrot, though.  If you are more than just a simple parrot, you can defend the statement on your own.
 
2013-10-28 12:57:04 PM  

FarkedOver: llortcM_yllort: FarkedOver: HeadLever: This is a bad thing? Just because you are able and willing does not mean that you have the right intrapersonal skills needed for said job. Folks should be somewhat protected against losing thier job and employment based upon circumstances they cannot control. In addition, there should be whistleblower protections. Many of these protections are in place now.

However, forcing employment on companies is not going to work in any type of system (capitalist or socalist) in today's world. Now if you want to bring back forced labor and slavery, then your point here may have merit.

Take it up with Einstein.  It's his quote.

I wasn't aware Einstein was an economist.

You're absolutely right.  The man couldn't comprehend how economies work.  He was an imbecile.  I am willing to bet most people commenting here are not economists, perhaps they should shut the fark up as well?


Being an expert in one area doesn't mean you are an expert in everything.  It's one thing to bring up the quotation in an argument, it is another to say that it's source means it is above reproach.  This is especially true when the source (Einstein) was not an expert in the topic at hand (Economics).  This is a classic case of argument from authority and is used as a logical fallacy in this case.  Please avoid doing this in the future.  Thank you.
 
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