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(Edvantage)   You might be trying too hard if you give your child Chinese lessons before he can even speak English   (edvantage.com.sg) divider line 55
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2013-10-28 05:47:06 AM
You might be trying too hard if you use "AsiaOne EdVantage" Chinese propaganda as a source for outrage at American multiculturalism.
 
2013-10-28 06:10:11 AM
On the plus side, he'll be able to pee-pee in your coke earlier than most. Ah-so.
 
2013-10-28 06:19:15 AM
Not if you're Chinese, honorable Subby.
 
2013-10-28 06:19:53 AM
Maybe your not trying hard enough to please our party leaders. They love and care for our young ones.
 
2013-10-28 06:25:27 AM
 
2013-10-28 06:28:18 AM
FTFA: To get into the best private schools, where tuition can top US$40,000 (S$49,000) a year, children as young as four are subjected to rigorous tests.

Of course if the schools were actually any good they wouldn't have to skew their intake in that way.
 
2013-10-28 06:30:24 AM
Earlier the better.

English they'll pick up day to day and will always be their 'mother tongue' (if parents are English speakers).
The 'foreign languages' are kinda secondary but because they are like sponges, the kids will be fluent in them as they continue their classes.

Just because adults get dumberer as they get olderer don't let that limit a kid's potential to learn two or more languages at an early age.

/quad-lingual, biatches!
 
2013-10-28 06:32:22 AM
Give me a farking break.

Look at this kid.
www.edvantage.com.sg

There is no way he's going to grow up to be anything other than a bottom-tier boxer or collections agency thug.

And that's the optimistic outlook. He's far more likely to be in jail on a hate crime murder charge.
 
2013-10-28 06:34:32 AM
Trying too hard, subby? Seems like some real forward-thinking parents, to me.
 
2013-10-28 06:37:13 AM

tira: Trying too hard, subby? Seems like some real forward-thinking parents, to me.


I'll bet you they're "Firefly" fans, trying to give their kid a head-start when the Alliance is formed.
 
2013-10-28 06:39:54 AM

docmattic: Not if you're Chinese, honorable Subby.


Actually, I think being Chinese is the one time it would be "trying to hard", if they grow up in China, they are going to learn Chinese, that's just a fact.  Anywhere else, they would benefit from learning a foreign language before the native tongue.
 
2013-10-28 06:48:18 AM

GungFu: Earlier the better.

English they'll pick up day to day and will always be their 'mother tongue' (if parents are English speakers).
The 'foreign languages' are kinda secondary but because they are like sponges, the kids will be fluent in them as they continue their classes.

Just because adults get dumberer as they get olderer don't let that limit a kid's potential to learn two or more languages at an early age.

/quad-lingual, biatches!


I used to be quad-lingual. But it has been way too long since I used French or German. If they don't speak to fast I could probably still catch the gist of it, but the details are beyond me.
 
2013-10-28 06:56:45 AM
chinese parents are making kids in china learn english before they learn chinese, so why not.

because it's stupid. don't do what stupid people do. obi wan says, who is more foolish, the fool or....you know how that goes
 
2013-10-28 06:57:27 AM
I dont know about this article but if you can afford it you teach that kid Japanese, German, and French from the womb. Arabic too if you can manage.
 
2013-10-28 06:57:44 AM
and i speak fluent chinese...trust me, its a stupid backwards language not suitable for the modern world.
 
2013-10-28 06:59:50 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-28 07:07:19 AM

Badgers: [i.imgur.com image 626x604]


The Chinese symbols on the outside of that image really bring the whole thing together.
 
2013-10-28 07:09:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Give me a farking break.

Look at this kid.


There is no way he's going to grow up to be anything other than a bottom-tier boxer or collections agency thug.

And that's the optimistic outlook. He's far more likely to be in jail on a hate crime murder charge.


That's the same vibe I'm getting from the little thug.
 
2013-10-28 07:10:32 AM
Which is why I'll be sure my kid learns Klingon first.
 
2013-10-28 07:22:07 AM
These are the parents George Carlin warned us about.


SpdrJay: Which is why I'll be sure my kid learns Klingon first.


Just make sure he doesn't turn into a p'tagh.
 
2013-10-28 07:32:06 AM

DerAppie: GungFu: 
/quad-lingual, biatches!

I used to be quad-lingual. But it has been way too long since I used French or German. If they don't speak to fast I could probably still catch the gist of it, but the details are beyond me.


You sound Swiss.
 
2013-10-28 07:33:50 AM
My youngest English student in Japan was 20 months old.

She did indeed learn stuff.
 
2013-10-28 07:35:31 AM

Badgers: [i.imgur.com image 626x604]


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-28 07:38:23 AM
i have a friend whose wife is chinese.  when their daughter was a baby, they actually sent her to china to live with his wife's parents for about six months.  anyway, their daughter is about 3 years old i think, and she speaks both chinese and english pretty well and switches in between the two depending on which parent she is talking to.  when she talks to mom its in chinese, and when she talks to dad its in english.  if i ever have children i am totally going to teach them another language (or three) when they are very young since kids pick it up so much faster than adults.
 
2013-10-28 07:38:49 AM

BullBearMS: An infant learns to recognize the various sounds used in language before they ever speak a word of any language.

Babies who hear foreign speech in their first nine months of life find it easier to pick up languages in school or as adults, research has found.

Those who hear only English as babies are left unable to distinguish between subtly different sounds not used in their native language.


This.

Subby is an idiot.

And I say this as an American who can't understand anything but English, because I didn't have the option of taking language classes until high school, and by then it's too late unless you're naturally good at picking up languages.  And I'm not.
 
2013-10-28 07:39:13 AM
But..but..but higher math scores!
 
2013-10-28 07:39:47 AM
Actually this makes a lot of sense but don't let that ruin your biatchfest.
 
2013-10-28 07:44:23 AM
just wanted to drop in and say tagline is stupid
 
2013-10-28 07:50:48 AM
Oh, I can speak Italian. Meatballs and spaghetti, itsa me, Mario, mama Mia!
That's Italian for "I'm an idiot".
 
2013-10-28 08:01:46 AM
There's nothing asinine about teaching languages to small children. They learn the language itself much more easily than older children do, and being bilingual from a young age provides other cognitive advantages. The fancy lessons and $40k a year private schools and the like - sure, that's asinine. I'm glad my nephews and nieces are growing up in a place (Montreal) where you can accomplish the same thing by sending your kids to $7/day daycare in whichever language isn't the one spoken most often at home.
 
2013-10-28 08:10:19 AM
I remember when Japanese was the thing to learn in the 1990s because "the Japanese were going to take over the world". All that attitude did was create a generation of weeaboos, but at least NGE got a decent English dub.
 
2013-10-28 08:13:37 AM

angrycrank: There's nothing asinine about teaching languages to small children. They learn the language itself much more easily than older children do, and being bilingual from a young age provides other cognitive advantages. The fancy lessons and $40k a year private schools and the like - sure, that's asinine. I'm glad my nephews and nieces are growing up in a place (Montreal) where you can accomplish the same thing by sending your kids to $7/day daycare in whichever language isn't the one spoken most often at home.


I bet you can do that in any urban area. Whatever immigrant group is about, send them to that daycare. Or hire an illegal for a nanny.
 
2013-10-28 08:21:18 AM

mike_d85: Or hire an illegal for a nanny.


That's not such a cunning plan. Fast forward 18 years when you're all proud that junior speaks like a native only with that special accent and grammatical quality common at the lowest economic rungs.

Picture that show about the moonshiners only add in some bonus resentment.
 
2013-10-28 08:32:07 AM
I'm in the mid process of finding my kids their Manhattan private school. Teaching Chinese is a big selling point for those places these days and one I am actually interested in. In purely practical terms French, German, Korean and Spanish are kind of pointless right now.
 
2013-10-28 08:39:25 AM

Mobius strip of human stupidity: German


No way, Berlin is a super hot spot for education in tech.
 
2013-10-28 08:39:49 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't early childhood the best time to pick up a language? A lot of bilingual people I know were raised in bilingual households.

Or is the tag for teaching kids Chinese in the first place?
 
2013-10-28 08:41:28 AM
Right around age 2 is the right time if you want your kid to start learning a tonal language (like Mandarin). If you wait until age 6 or later they will (likely) never speak it as well as a native speaker.
 
2013-10-28 08:43:36 AM

Carth: Right around age 2 is the right time if you want your kid to start learning a tonal language (like Mandarin). If you wait until age 6 or later they will (likely) never speak it as well as a native speaker.


I really don't get subby's butthurt on this one. Sure, biatch about the rich buying solid gold outhouses or mini-giraffes but if you have the money to give your kid a great education why the fark wouldn't you?
 
2013-10-28 08:51:43 AM

flucto: Carth: Right around age 2 is the right time if you want your kid to start learning a tonal language (like Mandarin). If you wait until age 6 or later they will (likely) never speak it as well as a native speaker.

I really don't get subby's butthurt on this one. Sure, biatch about the rich buying solid gold outhouses or mini-giraffes but if you have the money to give your kid a great education why the fark wouldn't you?


But Chinese is the language of the enemy. Real Americans speak American dammit.
 
2013-10-28 08:53:03 AM

super_grass: But Chinese is the language of the enemy. Real Americans speak American dammit.


But with just a little valmorification the kid will fit right in and spy for us.
 
2013-10-28 08:53:08 AM

dbirchall: DerAppie: GungFu:
/quad-lingual, biatches!

I used to be quad-lingual. But it has been way too long since I used French or German. If they don't speak to fast I could probably still catch the gist of it, but the details are beyond me.

You sound Swiss.


Not really, if I was Swiss I'd still use either French or German. I'm merely the victim of a school system which forced 5 years of French and German on me against my will.
 
2013-10-28 08:56:33 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a friend whose wife is chinese.  when their daughter was a baby, they actually sent her to china to live with his wife's parents for about six months.  anyway, their daughter is about 3 years old i think, and she speaks both chinese and english pretty well and switches in between the two depending on which parent she is talking to.  when she talks to mom its in chinese, and when she talks to dad its in english.  if i ever have children i am totally going to teach them another language (or three) when they are very young since kids pick it up so much faster than adults.


My kid's half Chinese, she's 3. Speaks more English on account of TV, preschool etc, but when she's home with Pua Pua (Chinese grandma) they watch sinovision and speak Chinese. Which is good because Pua Pua can't speak English for shiat and her Engrish was being picked up by my kid...which was funny at first but then a little concerning. I was like, stick to Chinese...she'll learn English too by default. Anyway she's bilingual and her pronunciation is amazing.
 
2013-10-28 09:04:45 AM

flucto: Carth: Right around age 2 is the right time if you want your kid to start learning a tonal language (like Mandarin). If you wait until age 6 or later they will (likely) never speak it as well as a native speaker.

I really don't get subby's butthurt on this one. Sure, biatch about the rich buying solid gold outhouses or mini-giraffes but if you have the money to give your kid a great education why the fark wouldn't you?


I don't get it either. In DC there is a great public school that is Chinese/English bilingual (all english one day all mandarin the next). It is awesome to see little first grade kids of all different races speaking mandarin to their teacher and know that in 5-6 years their chinese will be better than mine.
 
2013-10-28 09:07:51 AM
If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me. Right subby?
 
2013-10-28 09:43:02 AM
My almost 3 year old son adores Kai Lan on Nick Jr. He has speech apraxia, so consistent speech is a struggle. He can correctly say several things in both languages though. In fact, the mouth movements seem to come easier to him in Chinese. I don't care what language he speaks, so long as it's progress.
 
2013-10-28 09:54:52 AM

Rude Turnip: but at least NGE got a decent English dub.


The hell it did. Did you somehow block out Spike Spencer's incompetent squawking?
 
2013-10-28 10:01:11 AM
If you really want to twist their gray matter, teach them to read and write Chinese.

他們會芸香的一天
 
2013-10-28 10:09:11 AM
My daughter's favorite show when she was 3.

www.scholastic.com
 
2013-10-28 10:50:48 AM
I teach English at a private kindergarten in Japan.  Some of my students in the day care program are as young as twelve months at the beginning of the school year.  I generally speak to the students in English and use Japanese when the situation calls for it.  Not just in the classroom, but in the hallway or at recess.  Kids are amazing at picking up context even if they don't really know what I said.  Which is...you know, how all babies everywhere learn language.

No one expects the two year olds to chitchat about philosophy over tea but the parents are tickled pink when their children bust out into the ABC song in the car, tell their parents which color is blue or say "Mama, did you know that obake in English is ghost?".
 
2013-10-28 11:17:12 AM

Bslim: AverageAmericanGuy: Give me a farking break.

Look at this kid.


There is no way he's going to grow up to be anything other than a bottom-tier boxer or collections agency thug.

And that's the optimistic outlook. He's far more likely to be in jail on a hate crime murder charge.

That's the same vibe I'm getting from the little thug.


Hey, guys! There will always be work for people who can collect debts from Chinese gamblers in Chinese or English!

Lighten up, Francis!

If the kid was born to break legs, then why should we worry if it is Chinese legs he breaks? The more Chinese legs the better for those of us with English legs.
 
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