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2013-10-27 09:53:45 PM
Good. Fark those tax-collecting extortionist bastards. Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute.
 
2013-10-27 10:24:56 PM
Well, I guess he showed them.
 
2013-10-27 11:52:51 PM
Is the point that he's an idiot?

/$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?
 
2013-10-28 12:02:48 AM
Weren't it for my wife, I would have done the same a year ago. I was sent to collections for a parking ticket that I could not have actually incurred: the ticket was for street cleaning parking in San Francisco, where neither my car, nor I had been in the past 5+ years. On the day of the "ticket", both my car and I were in Seattle. Of course, I didn't really have proof of my car being in Seattle for that day... But neither did they have proof that my car was in SF, that's for sure.

I spent hours on the phone, talking to complete dicks at the collections agency, and completely unhelpful people at the San Francisco parking enforcement department. Both of them would just tell me there was nothing they could do, and referred me to the other. I was ready to lawyer up, and see if I could uncover some government sanctioned scam where former California residents would be written tickets that were high enough for it to be worth it to the city ($145 in my case), but not high enough that they're worth fighting (especially since I'd have to fly down to SF to fight the ticket). My wife convinced me not to. To this day, my blood still boils when I think about it.

I still hope someone a bit more playful (or richer) gets the same problem, and completely farks them over. Heads need to roll for that shiat, whether it's an actual racket, or just gross incompetence.
 
2013-10-28 12:04:33 AM
Was "Learn to Pick Your Battles" completely eliminated from worldwide school curricula 30 years ago or something? The entire Tea Party certainly missed that class, along with this guy, and every other ideologue idiot for whom it makes perfect sense to follow a course that actually damages your cause simply to make a political point. And this guy, he's super extra special in that no one gives a flying shiat about the point he made- they just processed the case and moved on. $1400 that went to a payment on his lawyer's timeshare, all for an opportunity to shout at an empty auditorium.
 
2013-10-28 12:14:54 AM
What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-10-28 12:19:25 AM

vossiewulf: Was "Learn to Pick Your Battles" completely eliminated from worldwide school curricula 30 years ago or something? The entire Tea Party certainly missed that class, along with this guy, and every other ideologue idiot for whom it makes perfect sense to follow a course that actually damages your cause simply to make a political point. And this guy, he's super extra special in that no one gives a flying shiat about the point he made- they just processed the case and moved on. $1400 that went to a payment on his lawyer's timeshare, all for an opportunity to shout at an empty auditorium.


Yeah, who needs liberty.

Enjoy your chains.
 
2013-10-28 12:20:14 AM
At least the lawyer earned the money.
 
2013-10-28 12:23:21 AM

Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?


1040.09 Euro
 
2013-10-28 12:24:42 AM
as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.
 
2013-10-28 12:26:04 AM
Hi.

We're the "law".

It's a for profit industry.

Ha ha.
 
2013-10-28 12:29:24 AM

Temescal: Heads need to roll for that shiat, whether it's an actual racket, or just gross incompetence.


You're talking about California, where gross incompetence is an actual racket.
 
2013-10-28 12:30:31 AM
If his "point" was that he's bad at math, he won.

Could've tried arguing it for yourself you know?  Didn't think that one all the way through, did you?
 
2013-10-28 12:31:29 AM
Bryant said the original fine increased when he missed the early deadline for paying and an additional fine brought the total up to $100 when he was unable to show up on the designated day.


So the original fine was less than $100?  Maybe substantially so?  And he got off for a failure on the part of the province, not because his son violated the parking bylaw?  I hope the lawyer defending this guy was a friend of the city's counsel.
 
2013-10-28 12:33:39 AM
Bryant said the original fine increased when he missed the early deadline for paying and an additional fine brought the total up to $100 when he was unable to show up on the designated day.

UltraFark: the original ticket wasn't even $100.


dj_bigbird: Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute


WTF does that mean?
 
2013-10-28 12:34:15 AM
Vic Bryant of New Westminster said he challenged the parking violation he received when his son parked in a spot determined by authorities to be too close to a driveway and was given only six days notice before he was due to appear at City Hall or be found guilty in absence... less than the 14 days required by provincial law.

OK, I'm as big a fan of due process as you will find, the more so because I've seen my boss get an hour and a half notice of an ex parte and have to run down to the courthouse to make an appearance EVEN THOUGH you're supposed to get not less than 24 hours notice on an ex parte.

With that said....he went to court not to protest the ticket, but to protest that the date on his notice was wrong. That he had "inadequate notice" to come to court to challenge original ticket. But by my count, he had, although not two weeks, at least one week's notice to appear. Is his argument that merely because he was not given notice, that the ticket should be voided, or that he was unable to appear on that date entirely?

The purpose of notice isn't that you need 14 days for some arbitrary reason. It's so that you have adequate time to appear. The question is whether this guy COULD HAVE appeared on the correct day, regardless of whether or not he got his "proper" 14 day notice. Notice is not set in stone. If he could have appeared, then the judge should not have reversed the fine, because that's the kind of technicality that people get so furious about when some criminal "gets off" because of. However, if he was unable to appear and couldn't change his schedule due to lack of notice, then the notice was inadequate and the fine was properly reversed.

I'm assuming that because he wasn't challenging the actual ticket, and made such an issue about not having the full 14 days to appear that the ticket was in fact valid and he could have appeared on the specified day, and he deserves to owe his sleazy attorney the $1500 he's out. Serves him right.
 
2013-10-28 12:35:11 AM

Bucky Katt: Is the point that he's an idiot?

/$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?



See above about the quote on 'not one cent in trubute'.  While it might have been cheaper for him to simply pay, that would only encourage the (illegal)behavior they're engaging in.  Make it not profitable and they'll stop.

some_beer_drinker: as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.


As an economics teacher, are you aware of the example presented by frivolous lawsuits?  Fighting any individual case is more expensive than settling, but by settling you open yourself to a flood of them, making it cheaper in the long run to fight.  I'm glad this guy 'took a hit' for the team, and hope more do so in the future.
 
2013-10-28 12:35:37 AM

some_beer_drinker: as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.


I'm appalled you are an actual teacher.  The bar must be pretty low these days.
 
2013-10-28 12:37:12 AM

vossiewulf: Was "Learn to Pick Your Battles" completely eliminated from worldwide school curricula 30 years ago or something? The entire Tea Party certainly missed that class, along with this guy, and every other ideologue idiot for whom it makes perfect sense to follow a course that actually damages your cause simply to make a political point. And this guy, he's super extra special in that no one gives a flying shiat about the point he made- they just processed the case and moved on. $1400 that went to a payment on his lawyer's timeshare, all for an opportunity to shout at an empty auditorium.


I'll admit I spent far too much time and effort trying to bring justice against the jerk who totaled my car, but I drew the line at actually paying more than the costs to myself. I funded the small claims court initiative by selling the six-CD stereo we salvaged from the old car; once they dismissed my claim (grrr) I gave up and moved on. The only reason I went that far was that A. New York has 'no fault' insurance law (and fark whoever pushed that through the government here), and B. The asshole was completely at fault and tried to get out of his 'following too closely' ticket.

$1500 is ludicrous, point or no point.
 
2013-10-28 12:38:35 AM

Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?


€ 1041
 
2013-10-28 12:40:00 AM

Temescal: Weren't it for my wife, I would have done the same a year ago. I was sent to collections for a parking ticket that I could not have actually incurred: the ticket was for street cleaning parking in San Francisco, where neither my car, nor I had been in the past 5+ years. On the day of the "ticket", both my car and I were in Seattle. Of course, I didn't really have proof of my car being in Seattle for that day... But neither did they have proof that my car was in SF, that's for sure.

I spent hours on the phone, talking to complete dicks at the collections agency, and completely unhelpful people at the San Francisco parking enforcement department. Both of them would just tell me there was nothing they could do, and referred me to the other. I was ready to lawyer up, and see if I could uncover some government sanctioned scam where former California residents would be written tickets that were high enough for it to be worth it to the city ($145 in my case), but not high enough that they're worth fighting (especially since I'd have to fly down to SF to fight the ticket). My wife convinced me not to. To this day, my blood still boils when I think about it.

I still hope someone a bit more playful (or richer) gets the same problem, and completely farks them over. Heads need to roll for that shiat, whether it's an actual racket, or just gross incompetence.


Did they correctly know your color/make/model? I've gotten tickets where they get my plate wrong (off by one letter) and thought "sucks for the guy that has that plate".... But if the car that was ticketed is for example, a white SUV and your car isn't, that should be enough proof for you.
 
2013-10-28 12:41:15 AM
I'm not gonna tell someone how to spend their money on personal hobbies. If spending $1500 on sticking it to the corrupt and/or incompetent bastards at City Hall is your idea of a good time, and you've got that kind of money to spend, more power to you.

Still, if you stop there, you probably won't actually fix anything - they'll just pull the same shiat on the next sucker who probably doesn't have your kind of spending money on him.
 
2013-10-28 12:44:13 AM

TheSpaceAdmiral: Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?

1040.09 Euro


OH THAT'S HILARIOUS!

So is the debt crisis over? Or is the Euro still teetering on the precipice of disintegration?
 
2013-10-28 12:46:24 AM
Gyrfalcon: OK, I'm as big a fan of due process as you will find, the more so because I've seen my boss get an hour and a half notice of an ex parte and have to run down to the courthouse to make an appearance EVEN THOUGH you're supposed to get not less than 24 hours notice on an ex parte.

With that said....he went to court not to protest the ticket, but to protest that the date on his notice was wrong. That he had "inadequate notice" to come to court to challenge original ticket. But by my count, he had, although not two weeks, at least one week's notice to appear. Is his argument that merely because he was not given notice, that the ticket should be voided, or that he was unable to appear on that date entirely?

I think the issue was that the municipality was issuing tickets with a notice date which fell short of the Province's statutory minimum. He may well have been able to appear within the municipality's timeframe, but that doesn't stop the fact that the ticket, as issued, was illegal.
 
2013-10-28 12:48:05 AM

vossiewulf: Was "Learn to Pick Your Battles" completely eliminated from worldwide school curricula 30 years ago or something? The entire Tea Party certainly missed that class, along with this guy, and every other ideologue idiot for whom it makes perfect sense to follow a course that actually damages your cause simply to make a political point. And this guy, he's super extra special in that no one gives a flying shiat about the point he made- they just processed the case and moved on. $1400 that went to a payment on his lawyer's timeshare, all for an opportunity to shout at an empty auditorium.


Enjoy your seat on the back of the bus, at least it's close to the toilet. You can make a pretty good sangria there.
 
2013-10-28 12:50:15 AM

bangmaid: Temescal: Weren't it for my wife, I would have done the same a year ago. I was sent to collections for a parking ticket that I could not have actually incurred: the ticket was for street cleaning parking in San Francisco, where neither my car, nor I had been in the past 5+ years. On the day of the "ticket", both my car and I were in Seattle. Of course, I didn't really have proof of my car being in Seattle for that day... But neither did they have proof that my car was in SF, that's for sure.

I spent hours on the phone, talking to complete dicks at the collections agency, and completely unhelpful people at the San Francisco parking enforcement department. Both of them would just tell me there was nothing they could do, and referred me to the other. I was ready to lawyer up, and see if I could uncover some government sanctioned scam where former California residents would be written tickets that were high enough for it to be worth it to the city ($145 in my case), but not high enough that they're worth fighting (especially since I'd have to fly down to SF to fight the ticket). My wife convinced me not to. To this day, my blood still boils when I think about it.

I still hope someone a bit more playful (or richer) gets the same problem, and completely farks them over. Heads need to roll for that shiat, whether it's an actual racket, or just gross incompetence.

Did they correctly know your color/make/model? I've gotten tickets where they get my plate wrong (off by one letter) and thought "sucks for the guy that has that plate".... But if the car that was ticketed is for example, a white SUV and your car isn't, that should be enough proof for you.


The first time my wife talked to the collections agency, they were extremely nice, and gave her a description of the car, make/model, and color. They gave her a VIN that was different from our car's. They told her all she had to do is send a rectification, saying that it didn't match, and to give them our car's make/color, and VIN. A month later, ta da! The VIN and make/color of the car on the ticket matched our car!

I really thought I was getting scammed by a shady collections agency, but when I talked to SF parking enforcement department, they told me that the VIN matched.

After giving up, and paying the collections agency, I asked them if they could mail me the information about the ticket, for my records, and they mailed me an envelope with no information in it. I suppose it's so they can prove that they mailed me something, and it would be my word against theirs as far as what was in the envelope. These people are scum.
 
2013-10-28 12:52:28 AM

Temescal: bangmaid: Temescal: The first time my wife talked to the collections agency, they were extremely nice, and gave her a description of the car, make/model, and color (didn't match ours). They gave her a VIN that was different from our car's. They told her all she had to do is send a rectification, saying that it didn't match, and to give them our car's mak ...


FTFM
 
2013-10-28 12:52:49 AM
I took a few days off work to contest a speeding ticket.  It's not $1500, but I was willing to lose some vacation time on principle.

<-- wore the courts down
 
2013-10-28 12:52:59 AM
The five most expensive words in law:  It's   the   principle   of   it.
 
2013-10-28 12:53:09 AM

some_beer_drinker: as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.


That's why for my business I add just a few dollars to every invoice I generate.

I give these little bumps a bullshiat name like "Environmental Compliance Fee" or some such and keep the dollar amount just low enough so the girls in the various A.P. departments dont bother asking any questions.

Ethics?

F*ck ethics!
 
2013-10-28 12:55:05 AM
"Hero" tag was unavailable?
 
2013-10-28 12:57:58 AM

kabar: If his "point" was that he's bad at math, he won.


You know, there's three types of people in this world. Those who can do math, and those who can't.
 
2013-10-28 12:58:20 AM
Yeah, and guess where the city got the revenue to pay their attorneys? They win, either way.
 
2013-10-28 01:02:35 AM

Bucky Katt: Is the point that he's an idiot?

/$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?


About 126 shekels of silver.
 
2013-10-28 01:06:52 AM

jtown: At least the lawyer earned the money.


Yeah. It's like a reverse class-action lawsuit where the class each gets a $1 coupon off next >$100 purchase.
 
2013-10-28 01:11:07 AM
Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?

About tree-fitty.
 
2013-10-28 01:12:53 AM

gingerjet: some_beer_drinker: as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.

I'm appalled you are an actual teacher.  The bar must be pretty low these days.


based on what? douche tard.
 
2013-10-28 01:16:13 AM

ultraholland: Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?

About tree-fitty.


Oh! So close
 
2013-10-28 01:16:17 AM
We are all cranky this evening. Let's all hit the hay and try this again after a good night's sleep, yeah?
 
2013-10-28 01:22:11 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: We are all cranky this evening. Let's all hit the hay and try this again after a good night's sleep, yeah?


Shut it, hay-hitter.
 
2013-10-28 01:22:37 AM

Temescal: bangmaid: Temescal: Weren't it for my wife, I would have done the same a year ago. I was sent to collections for a parking ticket that I could not have actually incurred: the ticket was for street cleaning parking in San Francisco, where neither my car, nor I had been in the past 5+ years. On the day of the "ticket", both my car and I were in Seattle. Of course, I didn't really have proof of my car being in Seattle for that day... But neither did they have proof that my car was in SF, that's for sure.

I spent hours on the phone, talking to complete dicks at the collections agency, and completely unhelpful people at the San Francisco parking enforcement department. Both of them would just tell me there was nothing they could do, and referred me to the other. I was ready to lawyer up, and see if I could uncover some government sanctioned scam where former California residents would be written tickets that were high enough for it to be worth it to the city ($145 in my case), but not high enough that they're worth fighting (especially since I'd have to fly down to SF to fight the ticket). My wife convinced me not to. To this day, my blood still boils when I think about it.

I still hope someone a bit more playful (or richer) gets the same problem, and completely farks them over. Heads need to roll for that shiat, whether it's an actual racket, or just gross incompetence.

Did they correctly know your color/make/model? I've gotten tickets where they get my plate wrong (off by one letter) and thought "sucks for the guy that has that plate".... But if the car that was ticketed is for example, a white SUV and your car isn't, that should be enough proof for you.

The first time my wife talked to the collections agency, they were extremely nice, and gave her a description of the car, make/model, and color. They gave her a VIN that was different from our car's. They told her all she had to do is send a rectification, saying that it didn't match, and to give them our car's mak ...


I can't believe you paid them.  I'd have probably let that nonsense sit on my credit report for the rest of eternity, rather than give those bastards a red cent.  Hell, you probably could have petitioned the credit bureau to have it removed entirely.
 
2013-10-28 01:28:54 AM
I once received a parking ticket for an expired meter when parked in a non-metered spot. When I paid the fee (by bank certified check,) I asked the parking enforcement department for the meter number "for my records." They returned the check uncashed and a question mark in response. I guess they recognized the potential lawsuit.
 
2013-10-28 01:32:14 AM

Bucky Katt: Is the point that he's an idiot?

/$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?


1041 Euros
 
2013-10-28 01:34:14 AM

TheSpaceAdmiral: Bucky Katt: /$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?

1040.09 Euro


Ha, you think Euros are real money.
 
2013-10-28 01:35:02 AM

some_beer_drinker: gingerjet: some_beer_drinker: as an economics teacher i am appalled at his lack of using the cost benefit principle.  dumb idiot.

I'm appalled you are an actual teacher.  The bar must be pretty low these days.

based on what? douche tard.


Must be a beer snob.
 
2013-10-28 01:36:56 AM

dj_bigbird: Good. Fark those tax-collecting extortionist bastards. Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute.


I disagree.  Park legally and you won't have a problem.

I failed to see any huge injustice in the parking ticket that was issued.

A friend of mine used to have a problem with neighbors who parked and blocked his driveway..  He resorted to calling up the city and having their cars towed.  I say good.

Some idiot wrote a letter to the editor to my local paper complaining about parking tickets.   She openly admitted to parking illegally multiple times and failed to note that my city allows you one free parking violation per year.  I got one of those tickets once.  Shiat, I thought.  I didn't notice this parking spot was limited to 2 hours.  Then I saw that it said there was no fine since it was my first offense.

Good.  I've been more careful since then and haven't had any more parking tickets.

So park your goddammed car properly and you won't have a problem.
 
2013-10-28 01:46:08 AM

Bucky Katt: Is the point that he's an idiot?

/$1500 Canadian ... how much is that in real money?


ooops - others beat me to it.

1751 Swiss Francs. The Sfr is becoming very expensive.

You don't actually think the US$ is real, do you?
 
2013-10-28 01:47:11 AM

fusillade762: dj_bigbird: Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute

WTF does that mean?


Roughly speaking, it means you spend as much in defense as it takes to not have to pay ANY tribute, IE paying somebody to NOT attack you.  Even if the cost is hundreds of millions more.  An associated saying is 'Once you've paid the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane' (IE Vikings).

Gyrfalcon: With that said....he went to court not to protest the ticket, but to protest that the date on his notice was wrong. That he had "inadequate notice" to come to court to challenge original ticket. But by my count, he had, although not two weeks, at least one week's notice to appear. Is his argument that merely because he was not given notice, that the ticket should be voided, or that he was unable to appear on that date entirely?


He, or at least his son, actually missed the original court date, no reason given why.  Still, I know this is Canada, but I'm sure they have people in the same situation as I.  Six days is not 'at least one week', it's less than a week.  Take my case - I'm outside of the country right now.  If you sent me a notice with a six day suspense, odds are I'd be getting it a couple days AFTER said suspense, much receiving it with enough time to read, understand, research, draft and send a response(I'm out of the country, and per law X this is to be placed on hold until Y time after I get back).  Six days isn't really enough time to receive the notice, send back a 'I can't be there due to X valid reason on that day', and get back an acceptance/denial before the date.

Mithiwithi: Still, if you stop there, you probably won't actually fix anything - they'll just pull the same shiat on the next sucker who probably doesn't have your kind of spending money on him.


Remember, they have to spend money attempting to fight off that $1500 lawyer.  They want a nice clean payment, which is part of why they make it so expensive to fight as opposed to simply paying it.  It takes a lot more than the 'next sucker' to make up for that.  If even 10% fight, there's no profit in it.
 
2013-10-28 01:47:21 AM

gfid: dj_bigbird: Good. Fark those tax-collecting extortionist bastards. Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute.

I disagree.  Park legally and you won't have a problem.

I failed to see any huge injustice in the parking ticket that was issued.

A friend of mine used to have a problem with neighbors who parked and blocked his driveway..  He resorted to calling up the city and having their cars towed.  I say good.

Some idiot wrote a letter to the editor to my local paper complaining about parking tickets.   She openly admitted to parking illegally multiple times and failed to note that my city allows you one free parking violation per year.  I got one of those tickets once.  Shiat, I thought.  I didn't notice this parking spot was limited to 2 hours.  Then I saw that it said there was no fine since it was my first offense.

Good.  I've been more careful since then and haven't had any more parking tickets.

So park your goddammed car properly and you won't have a problem.


1/10
 
2013-10-28 02:06:29 AM

gfid: dj_bigbird: Good. Fark those tax-collecting extortionist bastards. Millions in defense, not one cent in tribute.

I disagree.  Park legally and you won't have a problem.

I failed to see any huge injustice in the parking ticket that was issued.

A friend of mine used to have a problem with neighbors who parked and blocked his driveway..  He resorted to calling up the city and having their cars towed.  I say good.

Some idiot wrote a letter to the editor to my local paper complaining about parking tickets.   She openly admitted to parking illegally multiple times and failed to note that my city allows you one free parking violation per year.  I got one of those tickets once.  Shiat, I thought.  I didn't notice this parking spot was limited to 2 hours.  Then I saw that it said there was no fine since it was my first offense.

Good.  I've been more careful since then and haven't had any more parking tickets.

So park your goddammed car properly and you won't have a problem.


And work will set you free.
 
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