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2013-10-27 06:06:46 PM
It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.
 
2013-10-27 06:15:34 PM

Steve Zodiac: It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.


And you have learned how to game the system. It evens out.
 
2013-10-27 06:19:49 PM
and you learn that none of it really matters, anyway, a job is just a way to get $ to buy food, take care of the family, booze, stogies, and so on.
 
2013-10-27 06:26:35 PM
I'd imagine a good portion of that is from older people having moved up the ladder.  It's a lot easier to enjoy a job when you're in the corporate HQ or corner office making the big decisions than it is when you're on the ground floor having to deal with whatever comes down from above.
 
2013-10-27 07:07:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'd imagine a good portion of that is from older people having moved up the ladder.  It's a lot easier to enjoy a job when you're in the corporate HQ or corner office making the big decisions than it is when you're on the ground floor having to deal with whatever comes down from above.


Exactly.  Now that I'm the executive of my organization, I derive far more job satisfaction than when I was just starting out.
 
2013-10-27 07:10:35 PM
Older workers didn't grow up with the entitlement assumptions that cripples younger workers.
 
2013-10-27 07:12:23 PM
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I'd be more satisfied with my job if it allowed me to spend my free time on the Basque coast too.
 
2013-10-27 07:26:42 PM
I've been around a while. I make more money and get more vacation time. That probably helps.

Now if I could actually get to a level where I called some shots it would be nice.
 
2013-10-27 07:49:56 PM
Is this because older workers still have health insurance and retirement plans?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-10-27 08:11:47 PM

Steve Zodiac: It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.


I think you meant this for the marriage thread.
 
2013-10-27 08:12:32 PM

Kyosuke: Older workers didn't grow up with the entitlement assumptions that cripples younger workers.


I would say that they've grown up with different entitlement assumptions.  But I agree, younger workers can be a real handful to manage.
 
2013-10-27 08:12:50 PM
In the same way depressed people seem to suddenly cheer up right before offing themselves?

On second thought, it's nothing like that
 
2013-10-27 08:25:10 PM
Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to with their skill and education level that the farksticks on high decreed should be part time or minimum wage? Because said farksticks don't have to worry about student loan payments vs eating?
 
2013-10-27 08:31:46 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...


And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.
 
2013-10-27 08:34:32 PM
It Gets Better: Older workers are far more satisfied with a job
 
2013-10-27 08:34:53 PM
It helps that they have been around long enough not to get worked up over bullsh*t.
 
2013-10-27 08:37:24 PM

Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.


Interesting that you point that out, because I'm not struggling with student loans. I graduated with 19K in debt after busting my ass with scholarships, grants, athletic aid, and sucking up to everyone I could find who wrote checks. 4 years, double major (in finance and economics), with AP classes transferred in, and a part time job in addition to my regular duties for the team. I busted my balls, and I came out alright. I have a full time job now (after 3 years of looking and only getting interviews because of my (self taught) computer skills), and it's nice. I AM ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES.

So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.
 
2013-10-27 08:37:30 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to with their skill and education level that the farksticks on high decreed should be part time or minimum wage? Because said farksticks don't have to worry about student loan payments vs eating?


Education apparently doesn't always make up for a complete lack of savvy or imagination.
 
2013-10-27 08:39:08 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.


I imagine you would LOVE for one of these old f*ckers to ask you what your group is doing.
 
2013-10-27 08:42:14 PM

thamike: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.

I imagine you would LOVE for one of these old f*ckers to ask you what your group is doing.


What I would love is for the old f***ers to die or retire in large numbers so that the people in their 30s will stop taking the entry jobs my age group usually fills
 
2013-10-27 08:45:07 PM

Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.


So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating
 
2013-10-27 08:45:12 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: thamike: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.

I imagine you would LOVE for one of these old f*ckers to ask you what your group is doing.

What I would love is for the old f***ers to die or retire in large numbers so that the people in their 30s will stop taking the entry jobs my age group usually fills


Did I mention problem-solving skills?
 
2013-10-27 08:46:48 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating


Everything's subjective and anecdotal here.  Neither of these two guys' descriptions seem overwhelmingly familiar to me.
 
2013-10-27 08:50:18 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating


'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?
 
2013-10-27 09:00:25 PM
They're probably just glad they aren't fired.
 
2013-10-27 09:04:05 PM

Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?


Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"
 
2013-10-27 09:16:06 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?

Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"


I worked my ass off for mine. No student loans. No athletic scholarships. No scholarships of any kind. Parents didn't pay for a single hour of classes or for a single book. I started at the bottom and lived life like no one owed me anything. I continued to learn my craft outside of classes. I worked full time as soon as I was old enough, for whatever they felt like paying me. I moonlighted for much less then minimum doing things that would hone my skills and teach me more along the way. I hung out with the right people, and left the wrong people behind. Now I own the company I began working for 33 years ago.

So yeah: Fark you, I got mine. I farkin' earned every bit of it, and I continue to.
 
2013-10-27 09:18:00 PM
Don't get me wrong. I do feel like good luck has accompanied me. But I never expected or felt I was entitled to it and I still don't.
 
2013-10-27 09:21:42 PM

Kyosuke: Don't get me wrong. I do feel like good luck has accompanied me. But I never expected or felt I was entitled to it and I still don't.


That's just it, working hard and doing what your supposed to do for a run of the mill job isn't entitlement. Feeling you're owed a decent job just because is
 
2013-10-27 09:26:41 PM

Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?

Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"

I worked my ass off for mine. No student loans. No athletic scholarships. No scholarships of any kind. Parents didn't pay for a single hour of classes or for a single book. I started at the bottom and lived life like no one owed me anything. I continued to learn my craft outside of classes. I worked full time as soon as I was old enough, for whatever they felt like paying me. I moonlighted for much less then minimum doing things that would hone my skills and teach me more along the way. I hung out with the right people, and left the wrong people behind. Now I own the company I began working for 33 years ago.

So yeah: Fark you, I got mine. I farkin' earned every bit of it, and I continue to.


So you did everything right and feel you got rewarded for it. I tried doing a similar path and did not feel I was properly rewarded (3 years, no job). Pointing out that a different outcome happened based on the passing of 30 years (which you benefited) is an entitlement. I wasn't asking for a corner office with a company car and a full pension. I was wanting a job that could pay for the debt I agreed to take in addition to food, shelter, transportation, and a few properly planned for luxuries. I don't consider wanting to make enough to avoid homelessness or perpetual debt slavery to be excessive.
 
2013-10-27 09:26:55 PM

Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?


Is it wrong to expect to be able to find employment commensurate to your education and qualifications if you're willing to put in the legwork to get it?  A degree doesn't promise a job, but it isn't right to expect people with degrees who have done everything right to prepare themselves to be happy working for minimum wage in unrelated or tangentially related fields.

Yes, it's unrealistic to expect to waltz into a six figure position right out of college, but someone who has proven themselves capable of completing a college degree shouldn't have to spend the better part of a year, or longer, searching for an entry level $40K (ish) per year job in their field.

It's snowflakey to expect to be able to do your own thing from day one, but not to be willing to work 60 hours per week from a ground level position in the field that you studied for and have the chance to prove yourself to move your way up.

There's certainly a generational rift.  There are some unreliable young people, but there were unreliable people in our parents' generation when they were our age too.  I'm sort of a tweener - too young to be gen-X, too old to be a millennial, but my parents have both spent their entire careers in the professions they started after graduation.  My dad has worked for the same employer since he graduated (though he was moved around through a few different locations).  We grew up seeing that, and thinking that was the future - put in your years, move up the ladder as you gain experience, and be rewarded with increased wages, greater responsibility, flexibility, and perks, and in the end receive a pension so that you're cared for after retirement and your quality of life can be maintained.

There's nothing wrong with being pissed off that the deal our parents received isn't on the table anymore, and that we're now expected to fight tooth and nail for lower wages, diminished benefits, longer hours, less security, fewer options for advancement, and crappy retirement options.
 
2013-10-27 09:32:10 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

Interesting that you point that out, because I'm not struggling with student loans. I graduated with 19K in debt after busting my ass with scholarships, grants, athletic aid, and sucking up to everyone I could find who wrote checks. 4 years, double major (in finance and economics), with AP classes transferred in, and a part time job in addition to my regular duties for the team. I busted my balls, and I came out alright. I have a full time job now (after 3 years of looking and only getting interviews because of my (self taught) computer skills), and it's nice. I AM ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES.

So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.


There's nothing I hate more than some old Internet fark who mocks me while I pay taxes for his social security. The same social security you and I are never going to see.

/glad i'm now a property owner
//rent money is good
///under no delusions that the system is good
 
2013-10-27 09:33:37 PM

Steve Zodiac: It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.


Over in 1.

/hates his job
 
2013-10-27 09:34:54 PM

Steve Zodiac: It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.


And you can't start over. You just live more in denial.

TuteTibiImperes: There's nothing wrong with being pissed off that the deal our parents received isn't on the table anymore, and that we're now expected to fight tooth and nail for lower wages, diminished benefits, longer hours, less security, fewer options for advancement, and crappy retirement options.


One wonders where all the vaunted "productivity" is going. Now with both heads of a family working, you end up with less free time, less money, but we are surrounded by technology and resources.

Time for a revolution.
 
2013-10-27 09:35:34 PM
i think a lot of this has to do with just not giving a fark once you get to a certain age
 
2013-10-27 09:36:32 PM
As an older worker I can safely say it does not get better, you just look forward to retirement more or in my case, death.
 
2013-10-27 09:37:38 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Steve Zodiac: It doesn't get better. You just settle for less.

And you can't start over. You just live more in denial.

TuteTibiImperes: There's nothing wrong with being pissed off that the deal our parents received isn't on the table anymore, and that we're now expected to fight tooth and nail for lower wages, diminished benefits, longer hours, less security, fewer options for advancement, and crappy retirement options.

One wonders where all the vaunted "productivity" is going. Now with both heads of a family working, you end up with less free time, less money, but we are surrounded by technology and resources.

Time for a revolution.


I have been saying revolution for years...........no one has time for one because of the long work hours.
 
2013-10-27 09:39:52 PM

edmo: I've been around a while. I make more money and get more vacation time. That probably helps.


This.

I get my forth week of paid vacation late this year.  It's cute to watch the new guys get exited to get one week of paid vacation.
 
2013-10-27 09:39:56 PM
My job satisfaction will increase immensely once my memory starts to go.
 
2013-10-27 09:40:22 PM

Kyosuke: Older workers didn't grow up with the entitlement assumptions that cripples younger workers.


Like pensions and Social Security payouts, none of which anyone under 30 will ever get? Those "entitlement assumptions"?
 
2013-10-27 09:42:02 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: thamike: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So even me doing everything correct leads to 3 years of no real work. If that makes me an entitled snowflake, so be it. But I would LOVE to see you old f***ers try doing what my group is doing.

I imagine you would LOVE for one of these old f*ckers to ask you what your group is doing.

What I would love is for the old f***ers to die or retire in large numbers so that the people in their 30s will stop taking the entry jobs my age group usually fills


Have you considered moving?
 
2013-10-27 09:42:28 PM
It most certainly does not get better, and I have empirical evidence:

A 63-year-old female elementary school teacher lives on about $45,000 per annum (before taxes and deductions). She has to deal with more shiat and crap than any human being should have to, and I'm pretty sure her entire workplace is a HIPAA and OSHA violation. The only reason she still does the job is because (a) it's a paycheck, (b) she used to love teaching, (c) she needs the job, and (d) sometimes--sometimes--some of the students and parents make her smile.

If anything, it gets worse.

What certainly makes things no better is the fact that in elementary schools you get the "Teach for America" jackasses that go in, get paid about half what an actual teacher gets paid, take no benefits, have damn near zero accountability, and then are gone in a year. So the real teachers feel threatened, especially with all the crap the state is pushing down on them.

/The teacher in question works for the "great" State of Louisiana
//Louisiana: Where Teaching and Mental Health Matter Less than Football
///Thanks for dissuading me from teaching high school, mom
 
2013-10-27 09:43:07 PM

HotWingAgenda: Kyosuke: Older workers didn't grow up with the entitlement assumptions that cripples younger workers.

Like pensions and Social Security payouts, none of which anyone under 30 will ever get? Those "entitlement assumptions"?


No.
 
2013-10-27 09:43:13 PM
No, it's just that working several REALLY horrible jobs makes one appreciate the merely horrible ones much more....
 
2013-10-27 09:44:09 PM
That's because older people have jobs.
 
2013-10-27 09:48:09 PM
Very satisfied with my job, life is good when you are the boss.

/Though it is a bit hectic atm, moving into a new shop and having to clean out the GOK room kinda sucks.
 
2013-10-27 09:48:40 PM

Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?

Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"

I worked my ass off for mine. No student loans. No athletic scholarships. No scholarships of any kind. Parents didn't pay for a single hour of classes or for a single book. I started at the bottom and lived life like no one owed me anything. I continued to learn my craft outside of classes. I worked full time as soon as I was old enough, for whatever they felt like paying me. I moonlighted for much less then minimum doing things that would hone my skills and teach me more along the way. I hung out with the right people, and left the wrong people behind. Now I own the company I began working for 33 years ago.

So yeah: Fark you, I got mine. I farkin' earned every bit of it, and I continue to.


What's the nature of your business, if you don't mind my asking?
 
2013-10-27 09:49:18 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?

Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"

I worked my ass off for mine. No student loans. No athletic scholarships. No scholarships of any kind. Parents didn't pay for a single hour of classes or for a single book. I started at the bottom and lived life like no one owed me anything. I continued to learn my craft outside of classes. I worked full time as soon as I was old enough, for whatever they felt like paying me. I moonlighted for much less then minimum doing things that would hone my skills and teach me more along the way. I hung out with the right people, and left the wrong people behind. Now I own the company I began working for 33 years ago.

So yeah: Fark you, I got mine. I farkin' earned every bit of it, and I continue to.

So you did everything right and feel you got rewarded for it. I tried doing a similar path and did not feel I was properly rewarded (3 years, no job). Pointing out that a different outcome happened based on the passing of 30 years (which you benefited) is an entitlement. I wasn't asking for a corner office with a company car and a full pension. I was wanting a job that could pay for the debt I agreed to take in addition to food, shelter, transportation, and a few properly planned for luxuries. I don't consider wanting to make enough to avoid homelessness or perpetual debt slavery to be excessive.


"Everything correct" does not equate to success.  Persistency, constantly adjusting one's tactics and not being a little biatch does.  Keeping track of where you spend your time and where money is being spent also helps.
 
2013-10-27 09:51:30 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Peter von Nostrand: Kyosuke: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because younger people are taking jobs that they shouldn't have to...

And...there's the entitlement.

Hint: No one promised you a wage level when you spent that borrowed money. You bought an education, not a career.

So a lot of young people who have worked hard, done all the right things and expect a decent paying job is now entitlement. Fascinating

'Expect', as in 'feel entitled'?

Whatever I say here doesn't matter, your answer is just gonna be a different version of "fark you, I got mine"

I worked my ass off for mine. No student loans. No athletic scholarships. No scholarships of any kind. Parents didn't pay for a single hour of classes or for a single book. I started at the bottom and lived life like no one owed me anything. I continued to learn my craft outside of classes. I worked full time as soon as I was old enough, for whatever they felt like paying me. I moonlighted for much less then minimum doing things that would hone my skills and teach me more along the way. I hung out with the right people, and left the wrong people behind. Now I own the company I began working for 33 years ago.

So yeah: Fark you, I got mine. I farkin' earned every bit of it, and I continue to.

What's the nature of your business, if you don't mind my asking?


Kicking ass and taking names. What's it to you?
 
2013-10-27 09:52:08 PM

HaywoodJablonski: What's the nature of your business, if you don't mind my asking?


Audio/Visual company (production support for meetings, conferences, corp parties, etc.) in a very small market.
 
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