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2013-10-27 05:37:55 PM
Let's just call it Darwin's Charriot.
 
2013-10-27 05:38:49 PM
And not a single citation or arrest has been made.

This happened in a place that makes Richie Rich look like a hobo...I'm sure that has nothing at all to do with this lack of accountability...
 
2013-10-27 05:38:53 PM
Any penis fractures from being violently jabbed into a sandwich starved teenage girl's butt bone during the moment of rag doll physics?
 
2013-10-27 05:41:17 PM
FTA: They don't believe alcohol was a factor,

/clearly saw a can of Natty Ice in the wreckage when I saw this on the news last night...LINK (warning: auto-play video)
 
2013-10-27 05:45:34 PM
Ford Excursion??  Now there's a name I've not heard in a loooong time...

/anxiously awaiting delivery of a new Ford Explorer Sport sometime next month
//zoom zoom zoom
///with extra slashies for the Eco-boost
 
2013-10-27 05:46:05 PM
Gadnabbit Fark.  Do we really need yet another tipping thread?
 
2013-10-27 05:46:19 PM

SubBass49: FTA: They don't believe alcohol was a factor,

/clearly saw a can of Natty Ice in the wreckage when I saw this on the news last night...LINK (warning: auto-play video)


I see the journalist happily noted that detail "we did capture an image of a beer can in the overturned vehicle"
 
2013-10-27 05:47:02 PM
But SUVs are big and tall and heavy so I feel SAFER driving them.

something something physics
 
2013-10-27 05:47:51 PM
Good. Another gas guzzling Excursion off the road.

/glad that no one was killed
 
2013-10-27 05:47:54 PM

poison_amy: SubBass49: FTA: They don't believe alcohol was a factor,

/clearly saw a can of Natty Ice in the wreckage when I saw this on the news last night...LINK (warning: auto-play video)

I see the journalist happily noted that detail "we did capture an image of a beer can in the overturned vehicle"


Yeah...it does make for interesting TV when a clown-car full of rich kids tips over, a bunch are hurt, a beer can falls out, and the police don't even bother to cite or arrest anyone.

/it's good to be rich
 
2013-10-27 05:50:52 PM
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-10-27 05:54:05 PM

SubBass49: poison_amy: SubBass49: FTA: They don't believe alcohol was a factor,

/clearly saw a can of Natty Ice in the wreckage when I saw this on the news last night...LINK (warning: auto-play video)

I see the journalist happily noted that detail "we did capture an image of a beer can in the overturned vehicle"

Yeah...it does make for interesting TV when a clown-car full of rich kids tips over, a bunch are hurt, a beer can falls out, and the police don't even bother to cite or arrest anyone.

/it's good to be rich


The video shows a can of beer next to the vehicle, but the police say alcohol wasn't a factor, so it could have just been on the street before the car got there, or been an empty can left in the vehicle from a previous time.

Typically an accident resulting from bad driving doesn't result in an arrest, though it does seem odd that the driver wasn't at least given a ticket for having too many people in the car, speeding, or some other traffic violation.
 
2013-10-27 05:54:33 PM

Veteran of the Cola Wars: Any penis fractures from being violently jabbed into a sandwich starved teenage girl's butt bone during the moment of rag doll physics?


Those have made the main page before.
 
2013-10-27 05:55:12 PM
SubBass49: This happened in a place that makes Richie Rich look like a hobo.

13 kids in a vehicle designed to seat seven? Someone is going to have a stern talking to young man.

Just in case anyone was wondering...

google maps of the street (but not the exact location).

// submitter
 
2013-10-27 05:58:53 PM
SubBass49: Yeah...it does make for interesting TV when a clown-car full of rich kids tips over, a bunch are hurt, a beer can falls out, and the police don't even bother to cite or arrest anyone.

This was in the poor part of La Jolla ... hence ford excursion.

// these folks aren't rich, just very very well off
 
2013-10-27 05:59:21 PM

lordargent: SubBass49: This happened in a place that makes Richie Rich look like a hobo.

13 kids in a vehicle designed to seat seven? Someone is going to have a stern talking to young man.

Just in case anyone was wondering...

google maps of the street (but not the exact location).

// submitter


Zillow Page for the area

Houses pushing $5 million a piece on that street.
 
2013-10-27 06:02:00 PM
No video games have realistic rollover.
 
2013-10-27 06:03:18 PM
Twas an astonishing scene
To motorists on I-219:
Mangled hunks of metal
But this took the kettle:
The clown car crew had numbered 14!
 
2013-10-27 06:04:39 PM

seelorq: But SUVs are big and tall and heavy so I feel SAFER driving them.

something something physics



Fourteen people came away from a roll over with only minor injuries.  That sounds pretty safe to me.


FTA : Police say 14 people between the ages of 13 and 17 were in the Ford Excursion


If anything should be taken from this story, it's that we should raise the minimum age to get a license to 18.


These days, 16 is the new 11.
 
2013-10-27 06:07:47 PM
SubBass49: Houses pushing $5 million a piece on that street.

Go a little further north and west and you'll start seeing $15 million plus.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2938-Sandy-Ln-Del-Mar-CA-92014/167 61 944_zpid/

Go a little further north than that, and you're looking at $34 million for 5.5 acres of just land (that's ~6 million per acre)
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/929-Border-Del-Mar-CA-92014/167602 45 _zpid/

So while these folks in their $5 million houses are very well off, they're at the lower end for that zone.
 
2013-10-27 06:07:55 PM
Oh god, not another tipping thread.
 
2013-10-27 06:08:32 PM

MrHappyRotter: Gadnabbit Fark.  Do we really need yet another tipping thread?


:tiny fist:
 
2013-10-27 06:16:59 PM

LordOfThePings: Oh god, not another tipping thread.


Maybe the best comment ever.
 
2013-10-27 06:18:27 PM

TomD9938: seelorq: But SUVs are big and tall and heavy so I feel SAFER driving them.

something something physics


Fourteen people came away from a roll over with only minor injuries.  That sounds pretty safe to me.


FTA : Police say 14 people between the ages of 13 and 17 were in the Ford Excursion


If anything should be taken from this story, it's that we should raise the minimum age to get a license to 18.


These days, 16 is the new 11.


My point is that the vehicle should not have rolled in the first place. SUVs don't handle like cars, but most people feel like they are in tanks driving them until they realize--too late like the unskilled driver here--that they don't know how to drive them when things get squirrelly.
 
2013-10-27 06:22:47 PM
Way to mansplain the problem and blame the victim, submitter. The problem has nothing to do with the choices of the children and everything to do with the choices of the evil corporations that make unsafe vehicles. Driving around with 13 of your closest friends is a right of passage that shouldn't be sacrificed because we're unwilling as a society to hold the manufacturers of unsafe vehicles accountable.
 
2013-10-27 06:22:49 PM

LordOfThePings: Oh god, not another tipping thread.


And we're done.
 
2013-10-27 06:27:51 PM

Oatworm: Way to mansplain the problem and blame the victim, submitter. The problem has nothing to do with the choices of the children and everything to do with the choices of the evil corporations that make unsafe vehicles. Driving around with 13 of your closest friends is a right of passage that shouldn't be sacrificed because we're unwilling as a society to hold the manufacturers of unsafe vehicles accountable.


Except California drivers licenses for teens are provisional and one of the conditions is that as a teen driver you cannot transport minors unless there's someone over the age of 25 in the car with you.  Driver should have been cited at minimum.
 
2013-10-27 06:30:11 PM

seelorq: My point is that the vehicle should not have rolled in the first place.



I dont see why not.

A top heavy vehicle, due to being over loaded with passengers, an inexperienced driver and the physics you cited up thread.

Rolling over made perfect sense in this case.
 
2013-10-27 06:30:58 PM

SubBass49: FTA: They don't believe alcohol was a factor,

/clearly saw a can of Natty Ice in the wreckage when I saw this on the news last night...LINK (warning: auto-play video)



That might be the case if the driver was sober.  I don't believe drunk (or buzzed) passengers count, but I could be wrong...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-27 06:31:36 PM
Yeah...it does make for interesting TV when a clown-car full of rich kids tips over, a bunch are hurt, a beer can falls out, and the police don't even bother to cite or arrest anyone.

Anybody who went to the hospital is likely to be tested for alcohol. Where I live, minors can't refuse medical treatment after an accident. Not sure about Caifornia. If the blood test shows alcohol, police might have to bring charges. This happened when a cop was involved in a fatal accident recently south of Boston. Cops on the scene didn't find anything wrong, but the hospital found him legally drunk. Police felt they had to file charges, though as a courtesy they did charge regular DUI instead of DUI homicide.
 
2013-10-27 06:39:02 PM
I don't think an SUV has really been "prone" to tipping since the old Bronco II.  Since they've recognized that problem, the new designs don't seem to have any problems.  If you find your car is turning over, maybe it's the way you're driving it.  If you drive safely it doesn't just roll over on its own.  But I'm sure if you drive like an idiot you could tip any car on the road over.  I've had SUVs--a black Chevy S10 Blazer and a black Ford Expedition--and never had any issue.  Do your research and you'll be fine.
 
2013-10-27 06:41:39 PM

lordargent: SubBass49: This happened in a place that makes Richie Rich look like a hobo.

13 kids in a vehicle designed to seat seven? Someone is going to have a stern talking to young man.

Just in case anyone was wondering...

google maps of the street (but not the exact location).

// submitter


The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.  I think you could fit 14 in there and it wouldn't be hugely overloaded.  A quick google shows GVWR around 10000 lbs.  14 kids, average 150 lbs is 2100 lbs payload in a 7500 lb vehicle.  So its close to GVWR, but not over it.

More likely is a combination of high speed, distraction, inexperienced driver.
 
2013-10-27 06:42:49 PM

LordOfThePings: MrHappyRotter: Gadnabbit Fark.  Do we really need yet another tipping thread?

:tiny fist:


It's okay.  Based on the responses people liked it better when you made the joke I already made!  Enjoy it.  Soak it in.  Like a pair of jeans soaks in gasoline, blood, tears and urine after a vehicle overturns.
 
2013-10-27 06:44:01 PM
All I see here:

PSA: SUVs are prone to tipping, so if you have 14 teenagers stuffed into your Ford Excursion, try not to take the curves too fast

i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-27 06:53:37 PM

Yes please: I don't think an SUV has really been "prone" to tipping since the old Bronco II.  Since they've recognized that problem, the new designs don't seem to have any problems.  If you find your car is turning over, maybe it's the way you're driving it.  If you drive safely it doesn't just roll over on its own.  But I'm sure if you drive like an idiot you could tip any car on the road over.  I've had SUVs--a black Chevy S10 Blazer and a black Ford Expedition--and never had any issue.  Do your research and you'll be fine.


Any vehicle with a higher center of gravity, like a truck or SUV, is going to be more prone to potentially tipping when compared to a vehicle with a lower center of gravity.  That doesn't mean that  SUVs are highly prone to it, but they are more than cars.  Modern stability control programs help a lot, and newer vehicles with electric power steering are introducing systems that will automatically cut throttle if the steering input would lead the vehicle into a turn too fast.

Most SUVs these days are based on unibody car platforms that are lower to the ground and less likely to tip than older designs.  The Excursion was built on Ford's Super Duty truck platform, so it had high ground clearance and with it a high center of gravity.
 
2013-10-27 07:07:06 PM
TheDirtyNacho: The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.

The article that someone else linked to (w/video) said that this vehicle had seating for 7.

// different trim/year? Took some seats out? etc, whatever.

// You're talking about weight and I'm thinking about seatbelts. A newborn baby weighs what, 14 pounds at the most wet? GVWR around 10000 / 14 = about 715 babies.
 
2013-10-27 07:10:52 PM

MrHappyRotter: Gadnabbit Fark.  Do we really need yet another tipping thread?


If you're gonna get an SUV, get one in black. They never tip.
 
2013-10-27 07:20:42 PM

lordargent: TheDirtyNacho: The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.

The article that someone else linked to (w/video) said that this vehicle had seating for 7.

// different trim/year? Took some seats out? etc, whatever.

// You're talking about weight and I'm thinking about seatbelts. A newborn baby weighs what, 14 pounds at the most wet? GVWR around 10000 / 14 = about 715 babies.



Yeah it depends on options, but it was designed for hauling 9, so while it would be tight, 14 isn't out of the question with some people sitting on laps.  Definitely not a good idea from a restraint perspective, but it doesn't exceed engineered weight capacities that would compromise handling.
 
2013-10-27 07:52:36 PM
Between distraction, showing off, and interfering with the driver, this result is pretty much a given anytime a teenager drivers around a carload of other teenagers without a chaperone.
 
2013-10-27 07:52:39 PM
You don't drive a truck like you drive a sports car. Here endeth the lesson.
 
2013-10-27 07:54:55 PM

Yes please: I don't think an SUV has really been "prone" to tipping since the old Bronco II.  Since they've recognized that problem, the new designs don't seem to have any problems.  If you find your car is turning over, maybe it's the way you're driving it.  If you drive safely it doesn't just roll over on its own.  But I'm sure if you drive like an idiot you could tip any car on the road over.  I've had SUVs--a black Chevy S10 Blazer and a black Ford Expedition--and never had any issue.  Do your research and you'll be fine.


This.

Even the Explorer outgrew its bad tipping reputation by widening its stance to 78", just like the big bro Expedition.

TheDirtyNacho: lordargent: TheDirtyNacho: The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.

The article that someone else linked to (w/video) said that this vehicle had seating for 7.

// different trim/year? Took some seats out? etc, whatever.

// You're talking about weight and I'm thinking about seatbelts. A newborn baby weighs what, 14 pounds at the most wet? GVWR around 10000 / 14 = about 715 babies.


Yeah it depends on options, but it was designed for hauling 9, so while it would be tight, 14 isn't out of the question with some people sitting on laps.  Definitely not a good idea from a restraint perspective, but it doesn't exceed engineered weight capacities that would compromise handling.


Excursion has the F250 3/4 ton suspension, if you could over weigh it down, you won't fit 14 people in it.  Well, without a trailer you couldn't.  I have squatted a F250, it took a lot, and it still didn't feel tipsy.  It felt very easy in the steering and like I had no breaks, since a lot of weight was taken off the front, but no tipsy feeling.
 
2013-10-27 07:58:36 PM

lack of warmth: Yes please: I don't think an SUV has really been "prone" to tipping since the old Bronco II.  Since they've recognized that problem, the new designs don't seem to have any problems.  If you find your car is turning over, maybe it's the way you're driving it.  If you drive safely it doesn't just roll over on its own.  But I'm sure if you drive like an idiot you could tip any car on the road over.  I've had SUVs--a black Chevy S10 Blazer and a black Ford Expedition--and never had any issue.  Do your research and you'll be fine.

This.

Even the Explorer outgrew its bad tipping reputation by widening its stance to 78", just like the big bro Expedition.

TheDirtyNacho: lordargent: TheDirtyNacho: The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.

The article that someone else linked to (w/video) said that this vehicle had seating for 7.

// different trim/year? Took some seats out? etc, whatever.

// You're talking about weight and I'm thinking about seatbelts. A newborn baby weighs what, 14 pounds at the most wet? GVWR around 10000 / 14 = about 715 babies.


Yeah it depends on options, but it was designed for hauling 9, so while it would be tight, 14 isn't out of the question with some people sitting on laps.  Definitely not a good idea from a restraint perspective, but it doesn't exceed engineered weight capacities that would compromise handling.

Excursion has the F250 3/4 ton suspension, if you could over weigh it down, you won't fit 14 people in it.  Well, without a trailer you couldn't.  I have squatted a F250, it took a lot, and it still didn't feel tipsy.  It felt very easy in the steering and like I had no breaks, since a lot of weight was taken off the front, but no tipsy feeling.


Widen its stance huh? You're saying they're Republican?
 
2013-10-27 08:04:05 PM

Kit Fister: You don't drive a truck like you drive a sports car. Here endeth the lesson.


FTFY.

If you can flip a truck, you will wipe out a sports car as well.

/trucks are easier to drift, especially on dirt roads and snow
//trucks are only slower
///my expedition has independent suspension in the rear as well.
 
2013-10-27 08:07:34 PM

Kit Fister: Widen its stance huh? You're saying they're Republican?


I don't know, but I'll ask the next Explorer owner I see.  It's a possibility, one Explorer owner I know is a Republican.
 
2013-10-27 08:12:58 PM

lack of warmth: Kit Fister: You don't drive a truck like you drive a sports car. Here endeth the lesson.

FTFY.

If you can flip a truck, you will wipe out a sports car as well.

/trucks are easier to drift, especially on dirt roads and snow
//trucks are only slower
///my expedition has independent suspension in the rear as well.


Fair enough.
 
2013-10-27 08:16:33 PM

TheDirtyNacho: lordargent: TheDirtyNacho: The Excursion came with seats for 9 + cargo.

The article that someone else linked to (w/video) said that this vehicle had seating for 7.

// different trim/year? Took some seats out? etc, whatever.

// You're talking about weight and I'm thinking about seatbelts. A newborn baby weighs what, 14 pounds at the most wet? GVWR around 10000 / 14 = about 715 babies.


Yeah it depends on options, but it was designed for hauling 9, so while it would be tight, 14 isn't out of the question with some people sitting on laps.  Definitely not a good idea from a restraint perspective, but it doesn't exceed engineered weight capacities that would compromise handling.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-27 08:34:06 PM
Just a couple days ago a lady rolled her truck going around a gentle curve on a 20mph residential street. It was a strange sight, her truck on its side 5 feet from the road and the fire hydrant on its side 20 feet farther. It makes you wonder just what happened. I didn't think that was possible on that street.
 
2013-10-27 08:37:50 PM

Veteran of the Cola Wars: Any penis fractures from being violently jabbed into a sandwich starved teenage girl's butt bone during the moment of rag doll physics?


They'll save that for the senior prom.
 
2013-10-27 08:59:14 PM

Tobin_Lam: Just a couple days ago a lady rolled her truck going around a gentle curve on a 20mph residential street. It was a strange sight, her truck on its side 5 feet from the road and the fire hydrant on its side 20 feet farther. It makes you wonder just what happened. I didn't think that was possible on that street.


Back in '97 while working at Little Caesars, I recall looking out the front window to see a brand new Ford Explorer on its side in the parking lot.  It was at a place where they had to negotiate a 90 degree turn due to raised curbs.  I guess the driver wanted to prove the 2nd generation Explorer was better than the 1st generation.  They should've waited till the 3rd generation.

We also have two curves on our street that I easily negotiate at 30-35 in a 35 mph zone.  Should be easy for everyone you would think, but we had many cars wipe at both curves with one car ending up in a lake and another killed the driver.  Both curves have guard rails and the homes on those curves still have to put defenses for their homes.  One simply has trees growing a natural fence, while the other puts up a lot of reflectors and put expanded steel over his windows to keep car parts out.  Every once in awhile a cop wonders by and the speeders have slowed down and with it, the wipeouts.
 
2013-10-27 09:09:07 PM

lack of warmth: Every once in awhile a cop wonders by and the speeders have slowed down and with it, the wipeouts.


A cop wonders by? Will wanders never cease.
 
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