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2013-10-27 12:42:44 PM
I think that assertion is only superficially accurate.  Obama was into this healthcare thing from the get-go, it was to his legacy what Apollo was to Kennedy's.  Bush didn't give a rat fark about New Orleans before or after, nor about FEMA, else he's have not put some horse-dancing guy in charge of it.  While both events had breakdowns and incompetence, I don't see a lot else congruent about the run-up to either or the post-problem response.
 
2013-10-27 12:45:41 PM
Really? And how many people have died because of ACA website glitches exactly? There is room to criticize but that is an offensive comparison.
 
2013-10-27 12:50:12 PM

Any Pie Left: I think that assertion is only superficially accurate.  Obama was into this healthcare thing from the get-go, it was to his legacy what Apollo was to Kennedy's.  Bush didn't give a rat fark about New Orleans before or after, nor about FEMA, else he's have not put some horse-dancing guy in charge of it.  While both events had breakdowns and incompetence, I don't see a lot else congruent about the run-up to either or the post-problem response.


First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of sending a man to the hospital and returning him safely to his home without being bankrupt.
 
2013-10-27 12:56:37 PM
Actually, it's Obama's 'FEMA during Katrina'.
 
2013-10-27 01:00:59 PM
If you could cause your own hurricane that is.
 
2013-10-27 01:01:40 PM

Ambivalence: Really? And how many people have died because of ACA website glitches exactly? There is room to criticize but that is an offensive comparison.


if it proceeds...
 
2013-10-27 01:01:44 PM
I'm pretty sure everything Obama has ever been involved in is his Katrina according to Republican Tea Partiers.
 
2013-10-27 01:02:16 PM
they apparently have death panels, at least that is what some folks say
 
2013-10-27 01:05:52 PM
Another one?  Gosh, that guy sure has a lot of Katrinas.  Obama shouldn't have screwed up the response to the first Katrina so bad, it's really haunting him.
 
2013-10-27 01:06:44 PM

IronTom: Ambivalence: Really? And how many people have died because of ACA website glitches exactly? There is room to criticize but that is an offensive comparison.

if it proceeds...


Oh, you are talking about the glitches.  Yeah, that ain't hurting anybody.  Am not looking forward to the implementation though.  Worried that your healthcare could be doled out politically.
 
2013-10-27 01:09:49 PM
Except that really, it's nothing like the failed response to Katrina at all.  The federal exchange is only one small part of the ACA, and even that isn't broken nearly as badly as the media have reported it to be.  Yes, in the initial days it was a total mess, but people are now getting through more easily, and the state-run exchanges have been working very well overall pretty much since day one.

This is just more GOP FUD trying to discredit a program that will be incredibly beneficial once the kinks are ironed out.

The administration is responding to the concerns over the web site, has set up phone lines for people to sign up who can't get through, and will likely delay individual mandate penalties so that everyone has more time, though there are still months to do it anyway.
 
2013-10-27 01:10:35 PM
Katrina?  Come on, this is nothing less than Obama's Holocaust.
 
2013-10-27 01:14:35 PM
healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-10-27 01:15:15 PM

Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.


I thought Benghazi was Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-10-27 01:28:18 PM
Obamacare was something he created. Bush, despite the claims of some, didn't create Hurricane Katrina.

Who do the locals blame for the Katrina response? Well, the governor didn't even bother to run for re-election. The mayor of New Orleans, C Ray Nagin, broke down on the radio saying that nobody is helping the city and post-hurricane cursory investigations found the city didn't follow its own hurricane plane (even though it was a poor plan to begin with it was still better than the result). Bush? He get's a lot of the blame for FEMA not having enough material staged in advance but that deals with the crecovery and not the mitigation and rescue. Federal forces were in the city rescuing stranded homeowners literally within a day of the storm passing. In Mississippi the governor and locals did a fine job of coordinating and had few problems.

What flooded the city? One location was the 17th street canal where it turned out the wall had been weakened over time and nobody noticed.

As to Mr. Pitts talking about lead time. The hurricane formed and entered the Gulf of Mexico on Aug 25th but there was literally no projections showing it would head to New Orleans till around 3-4PM on that Friday, which I believe was Aug 26th. I recall vividly finding out the news. They had a whole three days to stage. Brown really was overwhelmed for the job due to his lack of expertise but let's not pretend that Katrina was handled well locally or could have been handled well easily by anyone.
 
2013-10-27 01:39:41 PM

Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.


Is that a scandal yet?
 
2013-10-27 01:47:23 PM

SilentStrider: Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.

Is that a scandal yet?


Benghazi is Obama's Healthcare.gov!
 
2013-10-27 01:50:18 PM
This is Obama's Kwame's Real DollTM ...
 
2013-10-27 02:14:37 PM
It's too early to write the history books -- remember, Katrina wasn't even Bush's Katrina until months after the hurricane hit.
 
2013-10-27 02:19:05 PM

Mrbogey: Obamacare was something he created. Bush, despite the claims of some, didn't create Hurricane Katrina.

Who do the locals blame for the Katrina response? Well, the governor didn't even bother to run for re-election. The mayor of New Orleans, C Ray Nagin, broke down on the radio saying that nobody is helping the city and post-hurricane cursory investigations found the city didn't follow its own hurricane plane (even though it was a poor plan to begin with it was still better than the result). Bush? He get's a lot of the blame for FEMA not having enough material staged in advance but that deals with the crecovery and not the mitigation and rescue. Federal forces were in the city rescuing stranded homeowners literally within a day of the storm passing. In Mississippi the governor and locals did a fine job of coordinating and had few problems.

What flooded the city? One location was the 17th street canal where it turned out the wall had been weakened over time and nobody noticed.

As to Mr. Pitts talking about lead time. The hurricane formed and entered the Gulf of Mexico on Aug 25th but there was literally no projections showing it would head to New Orleans till around 3-4PM on that Friday, which I believe was Aug 26th. I recall vividly finding out the news. They had a whole three days to stage. Brown really was overwhelmed for the job due to his lack of expertise but let's not pretend that Katrina was handled well locally or could have been handled well easily by anyone.


You know how everyone knows that you have no earthly idea what you're talking about?

I would think even the most obtuse right winger would realize that the criticisms against Bush were not for "creating" Hurricane Katrina but then again it appears I could be wrong
 
2013-10-27 02:19:06 PM
Wow. I wasn't aware that the death toll from healthcare.gov was that high.

Thanks Taxbong0.
 
2013-10-27 02:27:46 PM

Peter von Nostrand: You know how everyone knows that you have no earthly idea what you're talking about?

I would think even the most obtuse right winger would realize that the criticisms against Bush were not for "creating" Hurricane Katrina but then again it appears I could be wrong


The discussion is on the result. Obama is receiving criticism for what happened from the rollout. Not that he created Obamacare. If he didn't want the failure, he could have just not enacted his policies in such a way as to fail. Bush was dealing with a chaotic situation he did not create while Obama is dealing with a chaotic situation he created. That's the point I was making before you decided to go all whacko-bird.

phaseolus: It's too early to write the history books -- remember, Katrina wasn't even Bush's Katrina until months after the hurricane hit.


No it wasn't. The talking points were out within a week and everything was being blamed on Bush. Only with time did it become less his fault.
 
2013-10-27 02:29:00 PM

IronTom: Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.

I thought Benghazi was Obama's Benghazi.


No, no, no.  Obama is Benghazi's Katrina.
 
2013-10-27 02:32:13 PM

North_Central_Positronics: IronTom: Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.

I thought Benghazi was Obama's Benghazi.

No, no, no.  Obama is Benghazi's Katrina.



"Walking on Sunshine" is Katrina's Obama!
 
2013-10-27 02:35:07 PM

Peter von Nostrand: You know how everyone knows that you have no earthly idea what you're talking about?

I would think even the most obtuse right winger would realize that the criticisms against Bush were not for "creating" Hurricane Katrina but then again it appears I could be wrong


Mister Bogus is a long-time troll alt.  I guess it was time to retire the one they created after the Zimmerman scandal, so they pulled one off the shelf.
 
2013-10-27 02:42:17 PM

Mrbogey: Peter von Nostrand: You know how everyone knows that you have no earthly idea what you're talking about?

I would think even the most obtuse right winger would realize that the criticisms against Bush were not for "creating" Hurricane Katrina but then again it appears I could be wrong

The discussion is on the result. Obama is receiving criticism for what happened from the rollout. Not that he created Obamacare. If he didn't want the failure, he could have just not enacted his policies in such a way as to fail. Bush was dealing with a chaotic situation he did not create while Obama is dealing with a chaotic situation he created. That's the point I was making before you decided to go all whacko-bird.

phaseolus: It's too early to write the history books -- remember, Katrina wasn't even Bush's Katrina until months after the hurricane hit.

No it wasn't. The talking points were out within a week and everything was being blamed on Bush. Only with time did it become less his fault.


There were failures at multiple levels concerning Katrina, but Bush shares plenty of the blame for poor immediate and long-term response.

Bush publicly lied that he hadn't been briefed that the levies could fail, he appointed Brown to head FEMA, and under his administration New Orleans received far less federal aid to repair and rebuild after the storm than Florida has received after disastrous hurricanes had hit while his brother was governor.  People were left living in FEMA trailers for far longer than they should have been, nothing was done to address the problem of insurance companies blatantly cheating victims of the storm, and his administration never leaned on the city to reopen undamaged housing projects to help people come back, instead taking a de facto stance that the storm was an opportunity to drive poor black people out of the city never to return.

Plus, he and Cheney diverted emergency response crews from restoring power to hospitals and shelters in New Orleans to go and help their buddies in the oil industry instead.
 
2013-10-27 02:55:26 PM
Actually, it's a technical fark up that Obama's enemies and a bored media are trying to portray as a policy fark up.  It will be fixed in a month and 20 years from now, the people that are alive because they were able to get health insurance through the exchanges won't even remember any of this.
 
2013-10-27 03:05:02 PM
Because a website having some technical problems is totally equivalent to a major disaster that leveled portions of an American city and caused widespread death.

Yeah.

So, back in the real world, you may have heard that I've been collecting success stories about the ACA. If you've had a positive experience with Obamacare, I'd love it if you'd consider sharing your story at our tumblr:

http://acasuccessstories.tumblr.com/submit

And of course, see the other stories and links here:  http://acasuccessstories.tumblr.com

Or tweet to @ACASuccessTales. :)
 
2013-10-27 03:05:23 PM

Mrbogey: Obamacare was something he created. Bush, despite the claims of some, didn't create Hurricane Katrina.

Who do the locals blame for the Katrina response? Well, the governor didn't even bother to run for re-election. The mayor of New Orleans, C Ray Nagin, broke down on the radio saying that nobody is helping the city and post-hurricane cursory investigations found the city didn't follow its own hurricane plane (even though it was a poor plan to begin with it was still better than the result). Bush? He get's a lot of the blame for FEMA not having enough material staged in advance but that deals with the crecovery and not the mitigation and rescue. Federal forces were in the city rescuing stranded homeowners literally within a day of the storm passing. In Mississippi the governor and locals did a fine job of coordinating and had few problems.

What flooded the city? One location was the 17th street canal where it turned out the wall had been weakened over time and nobody noticed.

As to Mr. Pitts talking about lead time. The hurricane formed and entered the Gulf of Mexico on Aug 25th but there was literally no projections showing it would head to New Orleans till around 3-4PM on that Friday, which I believe was Aug 26th. I recall vividly finding out the news. They had a whole three days to stage. Brown really was overwhelmed for the job due to his lack of expertise but let's not pretend that Katrina was handled well locally or could have been handled well easily by anyone.


I highlighted the more dishonest portions of your post.

1 - The weaknesses were well known - and (if you care to do your homework) money for repairs was repeatedly denied. Similarly, the weaknesses in the levee system in Florida will likely suffer the same fate some day .... we know about it, we ignore it, and then people pretend otherwise after they are breached.

2 - "Literally" is not best used for emphasis. You are literally wrong. Hurricane projections begin the minute systems spin off the african coast and get interesting. In fact? Their tracks are projected long before they are much more than tropical waves. A dear friend of mine worked for NOAA and would laugh at your assertion. The over/under on risk probability tighten as the system closes in (obviously) but it is misleading to claim that any city within strike range - and FEMA - and POTUS - were somehow unable to get their act together because they were hampered by some minimal window of opportunity to plan.

Max Mayfield, who briefed the president in person and by request, was aghast at the lack of understanding of what was GOING to happen.

None of this has anything to do with Katrina - it is website.
I won't bother to address the rest of your post which closely resembles the one you offered late last week.
 
2013-10-27 03:06:33 PM

IronTom: Worried that your healthcare could be doled out politically.


No one will be getting healthcare from the government. The plans purchased through the exchanges are from regular insurance companies. Most people won't even need them, because they already have coverage via their employer.

If you're self-employed, under-employed or just don't have coverage, it's a good thing.
 
2013-10-27 03:07:24 PM

Cyclometh: IronTom: Worried that your healthcare could be doled out politically.

No one will be getting healthcare from the government. The plans purchased through the exchanges are from regular insurance companies. Most people won't even need them, because they already have coverage via their employer.

If you're self-employed, under-employed or just don't have coverage, it's a good thing.


tell that to the ~ million people that already lost their healthcare
 
2013-10-27 03:12:33 PM

IronTom: Cyclometh: IronTom: Worried that your healthcare could be doled out politically.

No one will be getting healthcare from the government. The plans purchased through the exchanges are from regular insurance companies. Most people won't even need them, because they already have coverage via their employer.

If you're self-employed, under-employed or just don't have coverage, it's a good thing.

tell that to the ~ million people that already lost their healthcare


their healthcare that didn't cover anything and that they would likely have been dropped from when they needed it?
Tom - ask yourself - why would any company drop that many paying customers?
 
2013-10-27 03:13:53 PM

IronTom: tell that to the ~ million people that already lost their healthcare


Watch out, your hyperbole is showing.

A number of people (nowhere close to a million) had their plans cancelled because they did not meet the most basic standards of decent health coverage. High deductibles, benefit caps and lots of limitations, which basically made them a way for insurance companies to make money off of young and healthy people or those with no other options, but not really offering good coverage. Even with these plans, people who had them were one major healthcare problem away from penury.

Most people who had these plans can get a better one for a comparable cost, or if they have higher premiums will have lower deductibles and out of pocket expenses, co-pays and such.

If your insurance plan didn't even meet the "bronze" standard under the ACA, it was objectively really bad coverage.
 
2013-10-27 03:14:28 PM

Any Pie Left: I think that assertion is only superficially accurate.  Obama was into this healthcare thing from the get-go, it was to his legacy what Apollo was to Kennedy's.  Bush didn't give a rat fark about New Orleans before or after, nor about FEMA, else he's have not put some horse-dancing guy in charge of it.  While both events had breakdowns and incompetence, I don't see a lot else congruent about the run-up to either or the post-problem response.


And nobody's out there drowning or starving because it has a glitched up website.
 
2013-10-27 03:16:00 PM

edmo: Any Pie Left: I think that assertion is only superficially accurate.  Obama was into this healthcare thing from the get-go, it was to his legacy what Apollo was to Kennedy's.  Bush didn't give a rat fark about New Orleans before or after, nor about FEMA, else he's have not put some horse-dancing guy in charge of it.  While both events had breakdowns and incompetence, I don't see a lot else congruent about the run-up to either or the post-problem response.

And nobody's out there drowning or starving because it has a glitched up website.


Let's not forget that the state exchanges are doing a land-office business. Kentucky was signing up a thousand people a day last week. Washington was pushing close to 50 grand signed up with more registered and looking at plans.
 
2013-10-27 03:17:19 PM

IronTom: tell that to the ~ million people that already lost their healthcare


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2013-10-27 03:21:27 PM
 
2013-10-27 03:24:29 PM

IronTom: Therion: healthcare.gov is Obama's Benghazi.

I thought Benghazi was Obama's Benghazi.


Nope, the GOP owns that one all by it's self.
 
2013-10-27 03:25:18 PM
Why do people keep saying "Obama's Katrina"?  Does everyone forget who was in office when Katrina happened?
 
2013-10-27 03:25:37 PM
I'm just glad we're recognizing that

HEALTHCARE.GOV

and

OBAMACARE

ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
 
2013-10-27 03:27:11 PM

Mike_LowELL: Why do people keep saying "Obama's Katrina"?  Does everyone forget who was in office when Katrina happened?


Not everyone - just the Republican party
 
2013-10-27 03:27:20 PM
nice try libs but in 2018 when President Cruz signs into law the 109th attempt to repeal 0bummercare that passed the GOP supermajority Congress with ease it'll all be because of this website failure and the libs will apologize on national TV but it will be too late, and Cruz will save America just like the prophecy said
 
2013-10-27 03:27:36 PM
Obamacare gave me this bad perm!!
 
2013-10-27 03:27:56 PM
This is Obama's Waterloo on the river kwai at stalingrad on the plains of zama at pearl harbor
 
2013-10-27 03:29:31 PM

Karac: That's an easy question.  They blame Barack Obama.


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2013-10-27 03:30:07 PM

Lionel Mandrake: IronTom: tell that to the ~ million people that already lost their healthcare

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He's a birther.  You think the truth is something he really cares about?
 
2013-10-27 03:30:36 PM

Karac: Mrbogey: Who do the locals blame for the Katrina response?

That's an easy question.  They blame Barack Obama.
In answer to the question, "Who do you think was more responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W. Bush or Barack Obama?," 29 percent of a pool of Republican primary voters in Louisiana blamed Obama, who took office in 2009, and 28 percent blamed Bush, whose term lasted through 2008. Hurricane Katrina hit on Aug. 29, 2005.


Uh, nice try but you forgot to factor in one obvious point:

i301.photobucket.com

/suck it, libulardos!
 
2013-10-27 03:31:12 PM

parasol: Mike_LowELL: Why do people keep saying "Obama's Katrina"?  Does everyone forget who was in office when Katrina happened?

Not everyone - just the Republican party


No, no.  Republicans remember very well who was in office when Katrina happened.  Republicans don't selectively choose what they want to hear.  But Obama selectively chooses which natural disasters harm this country.  That's because the Democrats have a weather machine, and they use it to attack the red states.  After all, I doubt you can name one natural disaster which has ever happened in a blue state.  Oh, right.  Obama's healthcare plan.  LOL.
 
2013-10-27 03:31:33 PM
Did the website kill people?
 
2013-10-27 03:31:45 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: This is Obama's Waterloo on the river kwai at stalingrad on the plains of zama at pearl harbor


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Romans win the Battle of Zama?
 
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