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2013-10-27 11:51:36 AM
UNC finally got off the snide against BC.  Duke BEAT a RANKED Hokie team IN Blacksburg.  And State went full Mike O'Cain in the FSU game.  I'm sure PackPride and WolfWeb are in full meltdown mode this morning.

/and still, the three teams in this state that have won their conference in the last two decades are Wake, ECU, and App
 
2013-10-27 11:52:51 AM
I was only surprised that FSU didn't hang a 70burger on NC State... by halftime.
 
2013-10-27 12:05:02 PM
A quarter is 15 minutes, so that UltraFark is kinda redundant.
 
2013-10-27 12:14:46 PM

ClavellBCMI: I was only surprised that FSU didn't hang a 70burger on NC State... by halftime.


Considering the extreme slowdown after the 1st quarter, I kinda think Jimbo decided to just start running all the plays in the book - give the players some reps with them in a real situation, and see what might be useful later on.  If NC State had ever looked like they actually figured out they were playing football and not Little Miss Sunshine's Tea Party, FSU could have then reverted to biatchslapping mode.
 
2013-10-27 12:17:13 PM

ClavellBCMI: I was only surprised that FSU didn't hang a 70burger on NC State... by halftime.


They could've.  They screwed around on offense in the 2nd.

Jimbo doesn't generally run up the score.  Once they hit 42 or 49, he pulls the starters and run the ball.  They've had good luck with injuries this year, and there's no sense in bumping up the odds of that changing.  Plus, it gives the younger guys a chance to get some reps.

Had to laugh at some folks talking about NC State putting up 17 on our defense, oblivious to the fact that FSU was playing its third string.  Yeah, folks, we scored more points in the 1st Quarter than NC State had yards, but the defense totes broke down late!
 
2013-10-27 01:23:56 PM
FSU was a wrecking ball yesterday.  I fear for my Gators Thanksgiving weekend.  It's going to ugly.
 
2013-10-27 01:47:37 PM
FSU also faked a punt in the 2nd quarter up 35-0.  Converted for a first down, they did.
 
2013-10-27 02:19:13 PM
Well, since this is an ACC thread, I'm just going to go ahead and leave this here:

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/next Saturday is gonna be tough
 
2013-10-27 02:24:32 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: ClavellBCMI: I was only surprised that FSU didn't hang a 70burger on NC State... by halftime.

They could've.  They screwed around on offense in the 2nd.

Jimbo doesn't generally run up the score.  Once they hit 42 or 49, he pulls the starters and run the ball.  They've had good luck with injuries this year, and there's no sense in bumping up the odds of that changing.  Plus, it gives the younger guys a chance to get some reps.

Had to laugh at some folks talking about NC State putting up 17 on our defense, oblivious to the fact that FSU was playing its third string.  Yeah, folks, we scored more points in the 1st Quarter than NC State had yards, but the defense totes broke down late!


You know, for a moment there after FSU faked the punt in the second half to make to score 42 - 0, I honestly thought we were really out for blood and ready to score 100burger on NC State. But I guess Jimbo Fisher thought that would be too mean so they started playing more nicely for the rest of the game.
 
2013-10-27 02:25:24 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: You know, for a moment there after FSU faked the punt in the second half to make to the score 42 - 0, I honestly thought we they were really out for blood and ready to score 100burger on NC State. But I guess Jimbo Fisher thought that would be too mean so they started playing more nicely for the rest of the game.


FTFM
 
2013-10-27 02:38:59 PM
And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.
 
2013-10-27 04:34:04 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.


Because you beat up on a crippled Penn State while nearly choking against shiatty teams like Iowa and Northwestern.  No style points.  The Buckeyes are the biggest fraud in CFB.
 
2013-10-27 04:54:53 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.

Because you beat up on a crippled Penn State while nearly choking against shiatty teams like Iowa and Northwestern.  No style points.  The Buckeyes are the biggest fraud in CFB.


This...if OSU played in the SEC, they'd be a .500 team.   That's why Urban Liar ran away.
 
2013-10-27 05:43:41 PM
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2013-10-27 06:07:34 PM

Vinz_Clortho: RickyWilliams'sBong: The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.

Because you beat up on a crippled Penn State while nearly choking against shiatty teams like Iowa and Northwestern.  No style points.  The Buckeyes are the biggest fraud in CFB.

This...if OSU played in the SEC Pac-12, they'd be a .500 team.   That's why Urban Liar ran away.


FTFY; the SEC has nothing on the Pac-12 this year.
 
2013-10-27 07:18:51 PM
Payback for NCState ruining their season last year.
 
2013-10-27 10:21:48 PM
Whoever thinks #3 FSU scoring 35 on a 3-4 team is news doesn't watch college football.
 
2013-10-27 11:40:16 PM

ScouserDuck: Whoever thinks #3 FSU scoring 35 on a 3-4 team is news doesn't watch college football.


In a quarter.

Even the Ducks don't do that.

Plus, there is also the sports chatter for the last couple of weeks of "If FSU manages to squeak by Clemson, they are going to be so worn out NC State will kill them - remember, NC State beat them last year!".  And after FSU crushed Clemson it was "After beating Clemson, FSU is going to be so high they are going to totally under-prepare for NC State - remember NC State beat them last year!"  The conventional wisdom was that FSU would melt before the awesomeness of NC State, because having beat FSU last year, NC State could not help but win.  Regardless of any sane comparison of the teams, people kept pushing the idea that this would be a nailbiter.  So when FSU came out and just proceeded to ass-rape NC State silly, not just sans lube, but with a sulfuric acid-coated condom spiked for a wolfpack's displeasure, it totally destroyed the narrative of the game.  Should it have been news?  No.  But was it news once a whole lot of wet-dreaming ended?  Yes.
 
2013-10-28 07:38:30 AM

phalamir: ScouserDuck: Whoever thinks #3 FSU scoring 35 on a 3-4 team is news doesn't watch college football.

In a quarter.

Even the Ducks don't do that.

Plus, there is also the sports chatter for the last couple of weeks of "If FSU manages to squeak by Clemson, they are going to be so worn out NC State will kill them - remember, NC State beat them last year!".  And after FSU crushed Clemson it was "After beating Clemson, FSU is going to be so high they are going to totally under-prepare for NC State - remember NC State beat them last year!"  The conventional wisdom was that FSU would melt before the awesomeness of NC State, because having beat FSU last year, NC State could not help but win.  Regardless of any sane comparison of the teams, people kept pushing the idea that this would be a nailbiter.  So when FSU came out and just proceeded to ass-rape NC State silly, not just sans lube, but with a sulfuric acid-coated condom spiked for a wolfpack's displeasure, it totally destroyed the narrative of the game.  Should it have been news?  No.  But was it news once a whole lot of wet-dreaming ended?  Yes.


I am starting to wonder when that retarded narrative is going to die.
Yes, FSU choked hard last year against NC State
Yes, FSU has had a rough couple of rebuilding years prior to that
But:
1)  Completely different coaching staff
2)  Completely different personel
3)  RANKINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS YEAR (I am looking at YOU Alabama, I don't doubt you are quite possibly #1, but your SOS is god damn ridiculous this year so far, how in blue bloody fark are people harping on SOS for the Oregon and FSU but don't touch 'Bamas.....).

Plus if you actually watched FSU this year, and the previous years all of the above differences become god damn clear.  There is nothing close in these games.  To say FSU manhandled NC State... and Clemson.... and Maryland... is an understatement.  Especially NC State.  All FSU learned from that previous game was that our backups need work.  The starters may as well have been playing against middle schoolers for equal effectiveness.
 
2013-10-28 07:57:22 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: #1, but your SOS is god damn ridiculous this year so far, how in blue bloody fark are people harping on SOS for the Oregon and FSU but don't touch 'Bamas.....).


Nobody in their right mind should question the SoS of a Pac-12 North team.  Cal is a dumpster fire, but other than that the five teams range from good to frightening.  And FSU has played at Pitt, at BC, at Clemson, and will play at Florida - in addition to hosting Maryland and Miami.  That's good schedule.

The only program whose SoS genuinely needed to be questioned (other than Louisville, and UCF made that point moot) is Baylor - their OOC schedule is utter garbage and a couple of Big 12-2 teams have turned out to be non-existent.
 
2013-10-28 08:22:08 AM

UNC_Samurai: Wicked Chinchilla: #1, but your SOS is god damn ridiculous this year so far, how in blue bloody fark are people harping on SOS for the Oregon and FSU but don't touch 'Bamas.....).

Nobody in their right mind should question the SoS of a Pac-12 North team.  Cal is a dumpster fire, but other than that the five teams range from good to frightening.  And FSU has played at Pitt, at BC, at Clemson, and will play at Florida - in addition to hosting Maryland and Miami.  That's good schedule.

The only program whose SoS genuinely needed to be questioned (other than Louisville, and UCF made that point moot) is Baylor - their OOC schedule is utter garbage and a couple of Big 12-2 teams have turned out to be non-existent.


Heres the thing, how is Alabama not harped on about its schedule?  Their only significant "win" has been against Texas A&M.  Yes, they have manziel, but their defense is god awful horrible.  How is a 2 loss team even in the top 10?  That is just dumb.  The combined win loss ratios of all of Alabamas opponents is only 29-33.  Florida States opponents already have more wins than that, combined for 32-21 and they have played one LESS game.  Additionally, after Miami (presuming FSU wins...which having watched FSU and Miami I think is *cough* likely) that will go up to 39-22.

Oregon's opponents have a 28-34 w/l ratio.

So do pray tell oh great football experts, why is Alabama getting a pass this year to number one?  Their SOS this year is a god damn joke.

Now, straight win/loss comparison really misses out on a lot of other significant stats, but it does show at a basic level the narrative of Florida State needing help because of it's "weak" schedule is false.  People need to start realizing this isn't 2012....or 2011...etc.
 
2013-10-28 08:32:11 AM
According to Sagarin, Alabama's SoS is 41st, Oregon's is 54th, Florida State is 68th, Ohio State is 69th, and Baylor is 96th.  Bama gets hurt by a mediocre SEC this year - Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas are kinda fraudulent.  Oregon gets hurt by Tennessee, too (and Colorado and Virginia, but I'll give Oregon and Ohio State credit for scheduling a road game against a BCS opponent out of conference) but Oregon will also improve their SoS against Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona, and Utah.
 
2013-10-28 09:10:32 AM

phalamir: ScouserDuck: Whoever thinks #3 FSU scoring 35 on a 3-4 team is news doesn't watch college football.

In a quarter.

Even the Ducks don't do that.

Plus, there is also the sports chatter for the last couple of weeks of "If FSU manages to squeak by Clemson, they are going to be so worn out NC State will kill them - remember, NC State beat them last year!".  And after FSU crushed Clemson it was "After beating Clemson, FSU is going to be so high they are going to totally under-prepare for NC State - remember NC State beat them last year!"  The conventional wisdom was that FSU would melt before the awesomeness of NC State, because having beat FSU last year, NC State could not help but win.  Regardless of any sane comparison of the teams, people kept pushing the idea that this would be a nailbiter.  So when FSU came out and just proceeded to ass-rape NC State silly, not just sans lube, but with a sulfuric acid-coated condom spiked for a wolfpack's displeasure, it totally destroyed the narrative of the game.  Should it have been news?  No.  But was it news once a whole lot of wet-dreaming ended?  Yes.


The headline is suggesting that FSU scoring 35 on NC state period is news.

It IS pretty spectacular that they were able to do it in a quarter.
 
2013-10-28 09:50:29 AM

UNC_Samurai: Vinz_Clortho: RickyWilliams'sBong: The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.

Because you beat up on a crippled Penn State while nearly choking against shiatty teams like Iowa and Northwestern.  No style points.  The Buckeyes are the biggest fraud in CFB.

This...if OSU played in the SEC Pac-12 any of the major conferences other than the Big 10, they'd be a .500 team.   That's why Urban Liar ran away.

FTFY; the SEC has nothing on the Pac-12 this year.


FTFY both.
 
2013-10-28 09:52:03 AM

UNC_Samurai: According to Sagarin, Alabama's SoS is 41st, Oregon's is 54th, Florida State is 68th, Ohio State is 69th, and Baylor is 96th.  Bama gets hurt by a mediocre SEC this year - Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas are kinda fraudulent.  Oregon gets hurt by Tennessee, too (and Colorado and Virginia, but I'll give Oregon and Ohio State credit for scheduling a road game against a BCS opponent out of conference) but Oregon will also improve their SoS against Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona, and Utah.


Alabama scheduled VT at a neutral site.  That's probably the toughest OOC game of any of the top 4 teams.
 
2013-10-28 10:02:13 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: UNC_Samurai: Vinz_Clortho: RickyWilliams'sBong: The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.

Because you beat up on a crippled Penn State while nearly choking against shiatty teams like Iowa and Northwestern.  No style points.  The Buckeyes are the biggest fraud in CFB.

This...if OSU played in the SEC Pac-12 any of the major conferences other than the Big 10, they'd be a .500 team.   That's why Urban Liar ran away.

FTFY; the SEC has nothing on the Pac-12 this year.

FTFY both.


Dude, put the bong down.  The Pac-12 is the strongest conference this year, top to bottom.

flak attack: Alabama scheduled VT at a neutral site.  That's probably the toughest OOC game of any of the top 4 teams.


Point taken.  Although, and we understand get why OOC games have to be scheduled years in advance, but it can backfire on you.  VT is a good team, but that loss to Duke hurts them as a quality opponent (no more than Logan Thomas being fraudulent, but it does).

And the single biggest thing to make fun of Bama for is having a chump on their schedule in November - how much of that is a result of SEC scheduling hiccups from adding two schools?  Because no respectable program should EVER play an FCS opponent after October 1, EVER.

/and I give credit to the Big 10+2+2 for deciding no more FCS games - at least Idaho is a semblance of a challenge to the third-string.
 
2013-10-28 10:03:02 AM

flak attack: UNC_Samurai: According to Sagarin, Alabama's SoS is 41st, Oregon's is 54th, Florida State is 68th, Ohio State is 69th, and Baylor is 96th.  Bama gets hurt by a mediocre SEC this year - Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas are kinda fraudulent.  Oregon gets hurt by Tennessee, too (and Colorado and Virginia, but I'll give Oregon and Ohio State credit for scheduling a road game against a BCS opponent out of conference) but Oregon will also improve their SoS against Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona, and Utah.

Alabama scheduled VT at a neutral site.  That's probably the toughest OOC game of any of the top 4 teams.


Tough call between VaTech and UF.  Hard to imagine either one scoring on the other.  That game might never end.
 
2013-10-28 10:04:35 AM

UNC_Samurai: Dude, put the bong down.  The Pac-12 is the strongest conference this year, top to bottom.


I'm not disagreeing.  I'm noting Ohio State and the B1G are that bad.
 
2013-10-28 10:06:36 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: UNC_Samurai: Dude, put the bong down.  The Pac-12 is the strongest conference this year, top to bottom.

I'm not disagreeing.  I'm noting Ohio State and the B1G are that bad.


I'll respectfully disagree.  I think the B1G is still above the Big 12 and the ACC.
 
2013-10-28 10:50:25 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: flak attack: UNC_Samurai: According to Sagarin, Alabama's SoS is 41st, Oregon's is 54th, Florida State is 68th, Ohio State is 69th, and Baylor is 96th.  Bama gets hurt by a mediocre SEC this year - Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas are kinda fraudulent.  Oregon gets hurt by Tennessee, too (and Colorado and Virginia, but I'll give Oregon and Ohio State credit for scheduling a road game against a BCS opponent out of conference) but Oregon will also improve their SoS against Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona, and Utah.

Alabama scheduled VT at a neutral site.  That's probably the toughest OOC game of any of the top 4 teams.

Tough call between VaTech and UF.  Hard to imagine either one scoring on the other.  That game might never end.


I would say that Miami's win over UF should count more than Alabama's win over VT but UF has so many injuries at this point (something like 7 or 8 starters) that a (presumed) FSU win over this at this point shouldn't count for as much as Miami's did.

That's the one thing I dislike about the SoS and computer rankings.  They don't take it into account teams like UF and Georgia that lost a third of their starters partway through the season.  An early season win over them is considered just as good as a late season win.  Clemson's win over a healthy Georgia team was much more impressive than Vanderbilt's win over the "same" team.
 
2013-10-28 11:18:46 AM

UNC_Samurai: RickyWilliams'sBong: UNC_Samurai: Dude, put the bong down.  The Pac-12 is the strongest conference this year, top to bottom.

I'm not disagreeing.  I'm noting Ohio State and the B1G are that bad.

I'll respectfully disagree.  I think the B1G is still above the Big 12 and the ACC.


The B1G is basically the ACC without FSU and Clemson; or the Big 12, without Baylor and the two or three half-decent teams.
 
2013-10-28 12:55:59 PM

Stan Lee's Ghost: FSU was a wrecking ball yesterday.  I fear for my Gators Thanksgiving weekend.  It's going to ugly.


Like your sentence, UF will come up short.
 
2013-10-28 02:55:42 PM

flak attack: I would say that Miami's win over UF should count more than Alabama's win over VT but UF has so many injuries at this point (something like 7 or 8 starters) that a (presumed) FSU win over this at this point shouldn't count for as much as Miami's did.

That's the one thing I dislike about the SoS and computer rankings.  They don't take it into account teams like UF and Georgia that lost a third of their starters partway through the season.  An early season win over them is considered just as good as a late season win.  Clemson's win over a healthy Georgia team was much more impressive than Vanderbilt's win over the "same" team.


Certainly true of Vandy/Clemson.  In a vacuum, I'd agree that FSU over UF should count less than UM over UF.  But we have some basis of comparison there since FSU plays UM this Saturday.

Ideally the pollsters should sort the Vandy/Clemson comparison -- and they have to a degree, although mostly due to confirmation bias rather than a serious look.
 
2013-10-28 08:31:39 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: And nary a peep from national writers. But Ohio State hangs 63 on a hapless Penn State and we're excoriated for running up the score. Nevermind that our backup QB scored two of the TDs on the ground and we had our third stringer in for a good while.


Take it as compliment. Nobody cares about Florida State, but they get off on hating OSU.   You're wasting your own time feeling indignant about it.
 
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