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2013-10-27 08:04:22 AM  
I can't read that on my phone but I'll clear it up for them.

Marijuana abuse is when you get habituated and let it get in the way of your daily life or when you make dumb decisions like driving on pot.

Generally otherwise it's called 'use'
 
2013-10-27 08:04:50 AM  
...but in the end we're left with more questions than answers.
 
2013-10-27 08:05:11 AM  
What I just did with the marijuana was not abuse, it was love.
 
2013-10-27 08:07:30 AM  
Gothnet:
Marijuana abuse is when you get habituated and let it get in the way of your daily life or when you make dumb decisions like driving on pot.

Pretty much this.  If you want to chill out with bong rips on an evening where you have no particular responsibilities in the privacy of your own home, have at it.  If you smoke it constantly to the point where you can't even drive sober, you have a problem.  That's the case with any drug, or even activities like gambling.
 
2013-10-27 08:10:22 AM  
A bit of a sidebar, but...

I started getting hot flashes about 3 years ago. They quickly got miserable - heart racing, drenched in sweat, hellish chills after the flash went away. Would not wish it on an enemy.

I tried that Ameberen crap they advertise on the radio. Wicked expensive and it did nothing.

Tried Black Cohosh on the suggestion of a friend. Made things 10 times worse.

You know what kicked those dreadful hot flashes out of the park? Right. Weed.

That people are not permitted to use weed to improve their health is downright, farking stupid.
 
2013-10-27 08:16:12 AM  
Is a recreational user of marijuana like the social drinker, using not abusing, indulging a vice but not committing a crime?

YES! How is this such a strange idea? It doesn't have any worse short or long-term effects than smoking or alcohol. What the fark?
 
2013-10-27 08:21:35 AM  

phenn: You know what kicked those dreadful hot flashes out of the park? Right. Weed.

That people are not permitted to use weed to improve their health is downright, farking stupid.


Back in the 60's my mother's doctor told her he couldn't legally advise her to use weed to help with morning sickness, but that it used to be a widely accepted practice. *wink* *wink* And what do you know, it worked.
 
2013-10-27 08:22:34 AM  
Canadian here ... Although a life long recreational user, I have several medical conditions that mj helps to alleviate. Just for the hell of it, I decided to look into obtaining an exemption from persecution and was frustrated to discover that Harper is eliminating that option ...

"The Marihuana Medical Access Regulations will be repealed and this means of accessing marihuana for medical purposes under the system established by these regulations will no longer be available."

WHAT THE FARK?!
 
2013-10-27 08:25:00 AM  

stoppit: Canadian here ... Although a life long recreational user, I have several medical conditions that mj helps to alleviate. Just for the hell of it, I decided to look into obtaining an exemption from persecution and was frustrated to discover that Harper is eliminating that option ...

"The Marihuana Medical Access Regulations will be repealed and this means of accessing marihuana for medical purposes under the system established by these regulations will no longer be available."

WHAT THE FARK?!


Cruelty. That's what the fark that is. Just plain cruelty.
 
2013-10-27 08:28:40 AM  
Agree with the previous posts about anything can take over your life if you let it, but responsible use by responsible people- nothing wrong there. There's also a big difference between say someone who self medicates a couple hits throughout the day to control things like anxiety, nausea, etc., and the immature folks who must get totally baked all day every day. In the world of responsible use, it is far superior to prescription drugs for many ailments. But you can find people abusing even the least appealing of prescription drugs, often just to see what it'll do despite the side effects or their responsibilities. The same people will obviously do the same with anything.
 
2013-10-27 08:30:00 AM  
Echoing comments up the thread I believe use and abuse are separated by determining if you are acting dysfunctionally or functioning.
Same as anything.
If your gummi bear intake is dysfunctional then you have a problem, if you can eat your preferred amount of gummi bears and function, then you're fine.
Of course, that requires an amount of tolerance around borderline cases but otherwise hey, lets just live and let live.
/unless you're a sweet bud, then you must die in a fire.
 
2013-10-27 08:31:31 AM  
Every time you toke, Harper kills a kitten.

media.boingboing.net
 
2013-10-27 08:33:27 AM  
If you want to chill out with espresso on an evening where you have no particular responsibilities in the privacy of your own home, have at it.  If you drink it constantly to the point where you can't even wake up in the morning without it, you have a problem.  That's the case with any drug, or even activities like gambling.
 
2013-10-27 08:36:48 AM  
Recreational cannabis use is fairly benign, unless you count the damage to your pocketbook from taking out the fridge a shelf at a time. Vaporization is much more common nowadays, and many smokers embrace concentrates in which one need only take a tiny "dab" of BHO wax that basically functions like the hash of yore, instead of grams of burning plant and paper (aka joints). More people are eating edible THC arrangements and indulging in tinctures instead of constant burning plant material as well.

The only time cannabis problems ever arise is when people start smoking from sun up to sundown, just staying high all day everyday. Like the alcoholic who wakes up and pours a drink, except your liver and kidneys are spared the pickling. This is where the stereotypical lack of motivation comes into play and when pot can actually start to become seriously detrimental to ones situation. Ive been there and its more mellow to lay around blasted all day, but really you cant just live blitzed.

Really though, if cannabis didnt exist, these burnouts would be getting buzzed all day off something else anyway. In a way its probably a good thing its just weed; Id rather have some stoner doing 55 in the slow lane than a bunch of boozers running the road.

/Had a half pint of vodka by 5:45 am trying to get back to sleep from an interruption, now just have a stomach ache from the rotgut and empty stomach x.x
//Wax rips around noon though
 
2013-10-27 08:42:49 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: stoppit: Canadian here ... Although a life long recreational user, I have several medical conditions that mj helps to alleviate. Just for the hell of it, I decided to look into obtaining an exemption from persecution and was frustrated to discover that Harper is eliminating that option ...

"The Marihuana Medical Access Regulations will be repealed and this means of accessing marihuana for medical purposes under the system established by these regulations will no longer be available."

WHAT THE FARK?!

now that is weird... the usa is in process of deregulating and Canada is in process of becoming the usa... O.o




Gotta keep the drug war money flowing somehow.
 
2013-10-27 08:43:56 AM  
I can legally obtain cannabis seeds at the pharmacy or online at Amazon. I grind them and take about 20 grams a day for neck pain. They take the burning from my lower neck and I am not getting any 'HIGH' feeling at all. The seed contain no THC therefore no hippy smokey stoned feelings. In Germany there are approx. 83 million people with only 40ish people allowed legal access to marijuana for medicinal purposes.
 
2013-10-27 08:45:53 AM  
i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-27 08:47:12 AM  

stoppit: Canadian here ... Although a life long recreational user, I have several medical conditions that mj helps to alleviate. Just for the hell of it, I decided to look into obtaining an exemption from persecution and was frustrated to discover that Harper is eliminating that option ...

"The Marihuana Medical Access Regulations will be repealed and this means of accessing marihuana for medical purposes under the system established by these regulations will no longer be available."

WHAT THE FARK?!


Seriously?!

Ugh. Stephen Harper is such a raging douche-canoe.

What makes him worse is that he's continually implementing or trying to implement US-like policies that already failed years ago in the US, yet Harper just keeps plugging away, expecting a different result.

He is destroying our country. We do not want to be America Jr. (especially not, "America 10 years ago"!) and I don't understand why he keeps farking that chicken.
 
2013-10-27 08:47:50 AM  
Gotta love the governments constant demonization of cannabis, and the repeated rejection of medicinal properties, even though the federal government has had a patent on cannabis as both an antioxidant and neuroprotectant for almost 5 years.

If I didnt smoke pot, I would have tried to take out Michelle Leonhart years ago. Liar and imprisoner of peaceful people. Smoke em if you got em ladies and gentlemen, what a fine Sunday this is.
 
2013-10-27 08:53:56 AM  

stoppit: Canadian here ... Although a life long recreational user, I have several medical conditions that mj helps to alleviate. Just for the hell of it, I decided to look into obtaining an exemption from persecution and was frustrated to discover that Harper is eliminating that option ...

"The Marihuana Medical Access Regulations will be repealed and this means of accessing marihuana for medical purposes under the system established by these regulations will no longer be available."

WHAT THE FARK?!


What do you expect when you vote for Bush Jr Jr?

/sad to see Canadians are as stupid as Americans
 
2013-10-27 08:55:25 AM  
What I think is interesting is that of all the comments so far nobody has yet demonised marijuana and in fact most seem to agree that it is not any more harmful than other legalised substances. That's interesting to me because farkers are a diverse mix of conservatives and liberals from all walks of life who usually can't agree with anything, but if the thread continues this way then it would certainly suggest that the government would be reflecting public opinion if it were decriminalised. That said I haven't seen any statistics to back this up so correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2013-10-27 08:55:41 AM  

abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 400x498]


A marijuana overdose claims yet another life. Not.Even.Once.
 
2013-10-27 08:58:00 AM  

HooskerDoo: abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 400x498]

A marijuana overdose claims yet another life. Not.Even.Once.


To be fair, he did inject 5 whole marijuanas.  That's a LOT of marijuanas.
 
2013-10-27 08:59:04 AM  

Gothnet: I can't read that on my phone but I'll clear it up for them.

Marijuana abuse is when you get habituated and let it get in the way of your daily life or when you make dumb decisions like driving on pot.

Generally otherwise it's called 'use'


That's basically the definition I accept for Alcoholism (not sure if it's the official definition).  If it's interfering with your professional or personal relationships (I'll add health too) then you have a problem.

However you are lucky you couldn't read it.  It's a sucky blog post full of open ended questions which was probably written while high.  If so K.M. Cholewa is a marijuana abuser (by the above definition) and trying to justify it.
 
2013-10-27 09:01:36 AM  
These arguments brought up in the article are senseless and fail to address the most basic premise that if weed was never demonized to begin with almost no one would be calling out for regulation.

No one debates the rights of someone to eat as many greasy cheese burgers as they want until they die prematurely of heart disease. Regulating food in that manner seems outlandish, yet drugs are held to an absurd standard. Replete with a controlling group is telling you what is acceptable to consume into your own body under penalty of law, all this predicated under the guise that they just care so much for your health.
 
2013-10-27 09:03:22 AM  

MayoSlather: These arguments brought up in the article are senseless and fail to address the most basic premise that if weed was never demonized to begin with almost no one would be calling out for regulation.


The flip side of that:  if tobacco hadn't existed and were suddenly invented today, the push to make it illegal would be major, and actually somewhat justified as tobacco is a comparatively dangerous drug.
 
2013-10-27 09:04:47 AM  
It's abuse if when co-workers notice.
 
2013-10-27 09:05:44 AM  
What marijuana abuse may look like:

www.legalbuds.com
 
2013-10-27 09:09:05 AM  

Brosef Stalin: What I think is interesting is that of all the comments so far nobody has yet demonised marijuana and in fact most seem to agree that it is not any more harmful than other legalised substances. That's interesting to me because farkers are a diverse mix of conservatives and liberals from all walks of life who usually can't agree with anything, but if the thread continues this way then it would certainly suggest that the government would be reflecting public opinion if it were decriminalised. That said I haven't seen any statistics to back this up so correct me if I'm wrong.



The trolls are still sleeping it off, but theyll be here later, rest assured. I read an article on a conservative news website just the other day saying that the majority of Americans, right included, now support cannabis decriminalization nationwide . If you pay attention to world news, other nations are currently taking baby steps as well. We are witnessing the beginning of the end for pot prohibition. Over a 1/3rd of our states have voted to allow medical use; 2 have managed outright legalization in just the past ~year, and numerous foreign nations have either passed pro laws or are seriously considering the abolishment of prohibition.

California will legalize this year and one other state is a strong favorite, cant remember which but theyre all abuzz (rimshot) in one of my other discussion forums about it. Its coming. It will probably just be until our childrens children day before they see a read fundamental change in the way cannabis users and growers are treated.
 
2013-10-27 09:10:15 AM  
If I can roll down to the liquor store and buy a case of Wild Turkey and a carton of Pall Mall unfiltereds, you pot heads should be able to smoke all the damn weed you want.
 
2013-10-27 09:19:20 AM  
RockofAges:
Prohibition is never justified as it is literally the dumbest approach to harmful substances without the capacity for direct and immediate harm to others (guns). I can appreciate the "dangerous" argument (however, tobacco is not intoxicating, it is really only dangerous in the chronic, long-term sense -- cheeseburgers kill more people than tobacco does, and could easily be argued to be addictive) but the only word I quibble with in your statement is "justified".

I'm firmly on the fence when it comes to prohibition in general.  What I do agree with is that throwing addicts in jail is NOT the solution.  Addiction is a sickness for which there IS help, but that help isn't found in prison cells.  That people manage to make booze and smuggle drugs into freaking PRISONS does sort of demonstrate that where there is demand, the supply WILL be met at a price that reflects the risk involved.

Legalizing crack and heroin?  I don't know about that, but there certainly are no shortage of junkies despite it being illegal.
 
2013-10-27 09:20:34 AM  
Just listened to some radio guys talking about how the whole country (US) is trending towards legalization. The biggest hurdle is getting the baby boomers to die off faster. The under 60 crowd is mostly in favor of legalization, but the over 50 crowd is the largest group and has the highest negative feelings about pot (you know, the ones who grew up with Reefer Madness shoved down their throats).

My med papers expired. I still have a small stash, was hoping it would have been legalized by now. Crps is a biatch and my dr felt I was getting addicted to the pain killers (averaged 2 a day of darvocet), so cut me off. She doesn't believe that mj has any medicinal purpose, so I had to go to one of those skeezy places to get my paper signed.

As people were saying in the painkiller thread last night, it is cruel to let people live in pain because some people cannot handle their drugs, choose to abuse them and some people die from misusing the drugs. The majority of us just want to live as comfortably as possible. Without that relief, a lot of us contemplate and attempt, and sometimes succeed, to kill themselves. It sometimes seems like the only way, since our doctors don't give a shiat and just want to cover their own asses.
 
2013-10-27 09:22:54 AM  

RockofAges: Uranus Is Huge!: It's abuse if when co-workers notice.

You mean the type of co-workers who gossip about anyone and everyone at the office, talking shiat behind their back? That's a great barometric for how someone else should live their life -- the moral pronouncements of workplace acquiantances.


Yes. That is LITERALLY exactly what I was trying to say.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:16 AM  
RockOfAges

I most definitely agree with you re: the apples and oranges driving issue, but this is one point we are going to have to concede to others on the road to legalization. We must pick our battles my friend. Stoned drivers are probably never going to get a pass, especially when it comes to liability/responsibility.

Even if, like many THC tolerant drivers, they observe laws more closely and drive safer than many on the road... They still have the "intoxicated" label hanging over them. With the increased acceptance of THC, law enforcement is really going to pressured to step up and develop drug tests that quantify pot intoxication on the spot, instead of the current range of ~30-45 days.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:36 AM  
That was a useless waste of data storage.  Was there a point made?

Gallup poll last week, 58% now favor outright legalization.

Rather have em on weed than Oxy or any of the other strong mind altering LEGAL PILLS.

Amuses me that we are just finally, after 70 Years, getting done with the prohibition that should NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

Quit pretending weed = Heroin you Pants-Wetters....
 
2013-10-27 09:25:36 AM  
After 30 years of smoking and in my 40's now I've only just started to experience some minor short-term memory lapses for the first time. It's unsettling but I scale back for a couple of days and it goes away. For now. It's not great on the lungs either but that clears up quickly too.
 
2013-10-27 09:31:40 AM  
HindiDiscoMonster:
prohibition only leads to one inevitable conclusion: crime and black markets

There's no escaping that fact for sure, but some drugs are absolutely HORRIBLE.  But then again, some of the worst of them (alcohol if abused, tobacco, painkillers, etc) are legal or legal-ish.  I've known junkies and there's also no escaping the fact that some drugs will grind a person up until there's nothing left.  Lock 'em up and throw away the key doesn't seem to have helped the problem at all, that's for sure.  So what's the post-prohibition world going to look like?  Pfizer making heroin?  Well, it would be more consistent and far better quality control (heroin probably gets stepped on more times than any other drug, cut with god knows what), but even still it would be ruining lives.  I don't have easy answers, but certainly offering treatment to addicts instead of a jail term would seem more appropriate.  As for the cartels, well they ARE profiting off of the misery of others, isn't that a bit of evil that perhaps should be punished?
 
2013-10-27 09:36:10 AM  

TheGogmagog: Gothnet: I can't read that on my phone but I'll clear it up for them.

Marijuana abuse is when you get habituated and let it get in the way of your daily life or when you make dumb decisions like driving on pot.

Generally otherwise it's called 'use'

That's basically the definition I accept for Alcoholism (not sure if it's the official definition).  If it's interfering with your professional or personal relationships (I'll add health too) then you have a problem.

However you are lucky you couldn't read it.  It's a sucky blog post full of open ended questions which was probably written while high.  If so K.M. Cholewa is a marijuana abuser (by the above definition) and trying to justify it.


The definitions of alcoholism are social, not clinical, and as such are really ill-defined. Clinically, there's use, abuse, and dependence. Those definitions extend beyond alcohol to other drugs as well and are far more useful.
 
2013-10-27 09:38:03 AM  

RainDawg: After 30 years of smoking and in my 40's now I've only just started to experience some minor short-term memory lapses for the first time. It's unsettling but I scale back for a couple of days and it goes away. For now. It's not great on the lungs either but that clears up quickly too.


Have you ever heard of BHO wax or earwax? Also called shatter, crumble, peanut butter? Its basically just like old school hash but prepared in a way that you can dab a miniscule amount and achieve the same effects. Nowadays I take a mid-size hit in my wax vaporizer and Im set for a good 2 hours. I probably take shiats in a day. I used to take more than twice that in one sitting when I was smoking joints.

As for memory lapses, may be time for a tolerance break. Youll be glad you did it in 2 weeks.
 
2013-10-27 09:39:24 AM  

nekom: Legalizing crack and heroin?  I don't know about that, but there certainly are no shortage of junkies despite it being illegal.


There's a researcher that just did a study and determined that even these drugs have been needlessly demonized. The results of his research showed that a sizable percentage of people that have recreationally taken these harder drugs took them in moderation. They didn't become instant addicts, or drop out of society. This was actually news to me, and eye opening in the sense that our perception of drugs, in a society that has so fervently condemned them for decades, is wildly askew.

The drug war was actually pretty effective in demonizing drugs, and convinced a large part of society to associate drugs with our darkest fears.
 
2013-10-27 09:46:21 AM  

nekom: HooskerDoo: abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 400x498]

A marijuana overdose claims yet another life. Not.Even.Once.

To be fair, he did inject 5 whole marijuanas.  That's a LOT of marijuanas.


I understand that he was also Cheeto-balling.
 
2013-10-27 09:50:35 AM  
It always jars me to see the generic term "she."  Not because I feel left out or slighted as a male, it is just one of those things that brings the flow of reading to a jarring halt.  I suppose you could also say "s/he" or "it" puts the lotion on its skin.

But yeah, why is it the civil authorities' job to regulate non-poisonous plants?  What if they just fixed up the infrastructure and kept boats full of armed invaders from our shores?
 
2013-10-27 09:55:26 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: It always jars me to see the generic term "she."  Not because I feel left out or slighted as a male, it is just one of those things that brings the flow of reading to a jarring halt.  I suppose you could also say "s/he" or "it" puts the lotion on its skin.

But yeah, why is it the civil authorities' job to regulate non-poisonous plants?  What if they just fixed up the infrastructure and kept boats full of armed invaders from our shores?


Because a fat Christian family in Iowa thinks that Marijuana is evil.
 
2013-10-27 09:59:36 AM  
Not watering it enough?
 
2013-10-27 10:10:09 AM  

nekom: HooskerDoo: abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 400x498]

A marijuana overdose claims yet another life. Not.Even.Once.

To be fair, he did inject 5 whole marijuanas.  That's a LOT of marijuanas.


It was even worse. He bought the fake marijuana from pusher high school kids. Poor bugger had no tolerance for that much cilantro.
 
2013-10-27 10:18:07 AM  
RockOfAges

Field sobriety tests are subject to the discretion of the arresting officer. If arresting officer is a dick, you wil still be hassled whether you are in the wrong or not. In April I was stopped just past 1 AM for a broken license plate light. Officer saw garbage bags full of plastic bottles and beer cans (was going to recycle my bottles and cans earlier but couldnt) in the back seat and now had grounds to search my vehicle (recycles constituted open container apparently, there just wasnt enough room in the trunk for them though). I was not drunk, I had barely even woken up 15 minutes prior.

Officer never attempted breathalyzer once during the entire drawn out ordeal. She attempted numerous times to illicit nystagmus with her pen light and was obviously becoming frustrated when she couldnt. I passed the field sobriety test the first time, on the second time, she literally used her fingers to indicate less than an inch and said "you were this far apart on the heel-to-toe." At the station I refused to submit blood not only because I hate needles but because I had put up with so much shiat from the cop that I just wasnt going to cooperate with anything she said after that. Until that point I was completely polite and submissive, but after the mistreatment I endured (not even going to elaborate on the rest) I simply would rather do anything than make this biatches life easier. And in CA, refusing a blood test is tantamount to pleading guilty, whether they attempted breathalyzer or not. I have a $2400 fine and a DUI on my record for 10 years now because that officer jerked me around on those field sobriety tests, wherein I was completely sober. I would have just given the goddamn blood if I would have known how hard they were gonna backdoor me.

Didnt mean to write a biography but I want you to understand how unreliable and subjective a field sobriety test can be. Even sober people can fail FSTs, especially if the cop wants to fuhk with you. I mean even garden variety tiredness we wake up with every morning could be misconstrued as intoxication by a dick cop who wants to mess with you (red eyes or eyes a bit low, etc.). A test on the spot will be a must.

/Watch law enforcement just slack off until insurance companies swoop in and get themselves involved somehow
//Gonna be a mess at first until we can make groundat the federal level
 
2013-10-27 10:18:25 AM  
Marijuana abuse:

Knocking your whole stash off of the cable-spool table beneath the Jimi Hendrix poster onto your electric blue shag carpet.
 
2013-10-27 10:23:26 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: lewismarktwo: If you want to chill out with espresso on an evening where you have no particular responsibilities in the privacy of your own home, have at it.  If you drink it constantly to the point where you can't even wake up in the morning without it, you have a problem.  That's the case with any drug, or even activities like gambling.

well, if you are drinking pot, there is something really not right.


Drink Bong Water!
 
2013-10-27 10:29:24 AM  
Abuse-
www.thenug.com

www.viewzone.com

Don't be so paraquat man
 
2013-10-27 10:30:06 AM  
Marijuana abuse is when you neglect things in your life for pot. Don't abuse intoxicants.
 
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