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(Deadline)   So, Netflix and movie theater owners are now caught in a game of "No, you are"   (deadline.com) divider line 25
    More: Silly, movie theaters, Tower Heist, Film Independent Forum, movie theater owners, CEO John Fithian, chief content officer, Netflix, Ted Sarandos  
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7159 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 27 Oct 2013 at 8:27 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-10-27 08:33:29 AM  
8 votes:
Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.
2013-10-27 09:01:36 AM  
3 votes:
things that would make me go to the theater more often:

1) no more goddamn television commercials.  movie previews, fine, that makes sense.  but i'm not paying money to sit and watch commercials for car dealerships and furniture stores.  that infuriates me that they show commercials now.
2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.
3) if the movie is more than 2 hours long, please include a 10-minute intermission halfway through.  i know lots of people who can't go see movies like the hobbit in theaters because they are just too long and they can't sit for that long or they need a bathroom break.
4) have certain showings, maybe after 10pm, where people under the age of 21 are not allowed.  i hate going to see a movie and the theater is full of teenagers playing with their phones and talking the whole time.
5) make more movies i actually want to see in a theater.
2013-10-27 12:07:10 PM  
2 votes:

HempHead: If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.


Yes, because TV shows like The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Mad Men and Breaking Bad are obviously low budget garbage.

Quality does not require Hollywood budgets.  It requires a good story and good acting.
2013-10-27 10:50:27 AM  
2 votes:
NO.
Hey movie theater THIEVES, take a hint from me: It shouldn't cost $50 or $40 or even $30 for a couple of people to go to a movie and get a popcorn and drink, a-holes.

The free market is sending you a message and that message is, "You suck!"
2013-10-27 09:03:35 AM  
2 votes:

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:


6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.
2013-10-27 08:54:43 AM  
2 votes:

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I never thought about it that much, but from what I remember there are standard 'movie times' that movies start at throughout the day. Why? I don't know. But a lot of what theater owners complain about sounds like they're super mad about someone getting in the way of them farking the public in the ass. They actually seem offended by the idea that they should EVER have to cater to anything the public wants. Like not having prices jacked up sky high, like not letting screaming babies and children into adult-themed movies, not letting everyone talk in the theater and answer their phones, not having shiatty hyper expensive concessions, having plenty of bad seats where your view of the screen isn't that great, dirty, sticky floors. Yeah, why should we be bending over backwards to protect them again? Netflix, larger tv screens and the concept of on-demand isn't exactly the bad guy here.
2013-10-27 08:45:24 AM  
2 votes:
I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.
2013-10-27 07:39:40 PM  
1 votes:

HempHead: Films normally have to make 3x's the negative cost to break even.

For simple example, a small $20 million film will need to make $60 million in box office to break even. 1/2 the box office is kept by the theater($30 million), $10 million is spent on advertising, $20 million making the film.


It's closer to 1.5 to 2x the budget. The theaters don't keep nearly half.
2013-10-27 01:30:08 PM  
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

Down economy, huh?

That must be why college admissions are down. Oh wait...


Being accepted to college, and paying for college with actual money you have instead of loans, are two separate things.
2013-10-27 12:56:19 PM  
1 votes:

Jerseysteve22: enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3

That's a terrible idea. Piss before you go to the movies


This is actually the number one reason why I won't go to the movies anymore.   I HATE getting up in the middle of the movie to pee.  I pee often...asking me to hold it 2+ hours may seem reasonable, but my bladder would argue that.
2013-10-27 12:19:45 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: nimawai: The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.

Which is why places like the Amazon Drafthouse are f'ing brilliant and awesome.  I'm usually spending 30 bucks on food and beer.


If they had Alamo Drafthouse where I live I might give going to the cinema another shot. Unfortunately we don't have that here. As long they get get ticket prices & get you to buy family sized popcorn for each member of the family they don't give a crap what happens when the movie begins. You could stand up & start twerking in front of the screen & management wouldn't care. It's pretty sad.
2013-10-27 12:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

HempHead: TV's Vinnie: Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.

If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.


Studios had better step up their game then, otherwise nothing of value would be lost here.
2013-10-27 11:31:58 AM  
1 votes:
I actually went to the theater yesterday, for the first time in...uh...well, it's been a while. I was pleasantly surprised by this particular theater's equipment and that a normal movie ticket was only $7.50. Granted, that's a lot higher than it used to be, but with some now charging $10+, it was like seeing "cheap" gas somewhere. You're still getting bent over, but it doesn't hurt as much.

...and then I saw the concession stand. Almost $16 for a frogdamned popcorn and drink? And people were BUYING IT? What the fark is wrong with you?

I was suddenly glad that I got in for free by donating blood, because I'm sure as hell not paying money to support that insanity.
2013-10-27 11:25:47 AM  
1 votes:

burning22001: Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$


You could try surviving for 2 hours without shoving junk food into your face.
2013-10-27 11:21:49 AM  
1 votes:
Buggy whip makers demand car makers switch out engines for horses, more at 11.
2013-10-27 11:00:07 AM  
1 votes:
Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.
2013-10-27 10:41:30 AM  
1 votes:
He could just as well be attacking TV manufacturers for making the home viewing experience superior to the hassles in most theaters. When you have a 50" HD or better and you wait a bit, squeezing into a cramped seat in a dirty theater with a noisy audience seems like an extreme waste of money. Local library just gave me a day watching the summer's best (Iron Man 3, World War Z, and This Is The End) yesterday....for free. Obviously, this guy has a job to do, but whining about changing tech just makes him sound like a douche.
2013-10-27 10:20:26 AM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

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Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.


And don't they also throw people out if they use a cell phone?
2013-10-27 10:18:43 AM  
1 votes:

Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

[www.northernvirginiamag.com image 550x365]


Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.
2013-10-27 09:37:17 AM  
1 votes:
Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?
2013-10-27 09:32:11 AM  
1 votes:
"Subscription movie services and cheap rentals killed the DVD business, and now Sarandos wants to kill the cinema as well," Fithian said.

Oh shut up, you twat. You or someone very much like you said the same thing about DVD's, VHS, HBO, cable TV, and broadcast TV. Meanwhile we're getting billion dollar grossing movies pretty much every year now.

Is the movie industry changing? Sure, it's now all about home-run movies, and less ambitious-but-still-quality films are now relegated to independent status or just put on AMC. But don't give us this same old "Oh no what will we do" crap.
2013-10-27 09:28:43 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, and fark cinemas. Drive Ins are the way to go.
2013-10-27 09:25:20 AM  
1 votes:
Sometimes seeing a movie in the theater is the way to go. "Gravity" is worth seeing on the big screen. But otherwise I wouldn't miss going to the theaters. I mostly see matinee films for the cheap ticket and most people at a matinee show can behave. I don't buy concession food because it's just way overpriced. But I'd rather see all the movies at home.
2013-10-27 09:02:45 AM  
1 votes:
What's they matter, theater owners? Can you no longer blame VHS tape?
2013-10-27 08:45:15 AM  
1 votes:

Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.


There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?
 
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