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2013-10-27 08:33:29 AM
Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.
 
2013-10-27 08:45:15 AM

Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.


There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?
 
2013-10-27 08:45:24 AM
I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.
 
2013-10-27 08:54:43 AM

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I never thought about it that much, but from what I remember there are standard 'movie times' that movies start at throughout the day. Why? I don't know. But a lot of what theater owners complain about sounds like they're super mad about someone getting in the way of them farking the public in the ass. They actually seem offended by the idea that they should EVER have to cater to anything the public wants. Like not having prices jacked up sky high, like not letting screaming babies and children into adult-themed movies, not letting everyone talk in the theater and answer their phones, not having shiatty hyper expensive concessions, having plenty of bad seats where your view of the screen isn't that great, dirty, sticky floors. Yeah, why should we be bending over backwards to protect them again? Netflix, larger tv screens and the concept of on-demand isn't exactly the bad guy here.
 
2013-10-27 08:59:37 AM
The theatrical release window is rather short, if it exists at all.  I've seen movies show up on Netflix instant two weeks after they close at the local art houses.  So do I pay $8 for a matinee or for a month of unlimited movies and tv?  (Of course it's not really a choice - instant is insanely cheap, even if I watch 1 movie a week)

If it's 1993, if I wanna see the movie, I'm gonna pay the $8 ($4 back then) at the theatre cause who knows if the video store will even stock it.

2013 - well, is it worth seeing it on the big screen?  Some movies are better in the theatre.  But there are quite a few more I'm just going to wait for streaming or dvd.
 
2013-10-27 09:01:36 AM
things that would make me go to the theater more often:

1) no more goddamn television commercials.  movie previews, fine, that makes sense.  but i'm not paying money to sit and watch commercials for car dealerships and furniture stores.  that infuriates me that they show commercials now.
2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.
3) if the movie is more than 2 hours long, please include a 10-minute intermission halfway through.  i know lots of people who can't go see movies like the hobbit in theaters because they are just too long and they can't sit for that long or they need a bathroom break.
4) have certain showings, maybe after 10pm, where people under the age of 21 are not allowed.  i hate going to see a movie and the theater is full of teenagers playing with their phones and talking the whole time.
5) make more movies i actually want to see in a theater.
 
2013-10-27 09:02:45 AM
What's they matter, theater owners? Can you no longer blame VHS tape?
 
2013-10-27 09:03:35 AM

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:


6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.
 
2013-10-27 09:05:56 AM

Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.


i actually included that one.  see #3
 
2013-10-27 09:08:41 AM

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.
 
2013-10-27 09:09:25 AM
I hate going to the theatre. Especially in the first few weeks after a release. Especially if it's a movie that everyone and their dog wants to go see. You get crunching of wrappers, people talking, people moving around & blocking part of the screen, cell phones going off, ect... I also have the problem of not being able to see physically darker scenes because of my vision. So I tend to wait for it to come out on DVD.

At redbox it's also a lot cheaper. For $1 I can see the movie in the comfort of my own home. I can make my own popcorn at a fraction of the cost. I can also pause the movie if I need to. Lastly I can adjust the brightness on my tv so I'm able to see the darker scenes. Which is why I much prefer watching a movie at my house instead of going to a cinema.

The whole argument is stupid. It's the theatres saying "Don't you dare cut into my piece of the pie!" Then Netflix saying "But it's such a sweet looking pie. Why can't I have a piece of it?" Theatres have needed to change for a long time. It's a very old method of business.

Technology has changed a LOT since the first movie theatres come to be. Yet they are sticking their feet in concrete and saying "I'M NOT MOVING!!!" Like a big friggen baby who's toys are being taken away. They need to look to the future of entertainment or they are going to be a part of the past. It won't be the fault of things like Netflix or Redbox. History has shown us that if you don't keep up with the times you'll get trampled.

The argument that if theatres go away movies will too is B.S. There is always going to be a market for movies. People want to be entertained. Movies are a fun way to be entertained. The movie making industry will still be paid. It just wouldn't be paid by movies being in theatres. It would get paid by things like Netflix, Redbox, DVD/Blu-ray sales, ect...

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I think it's a mixture of both. It is standard practice to have showings right around the same time. Every theatre, at least where I live, opens at the same time. So all movies tend to have the same start times. I agree with you. If times were staggered between theatres it would help in seeing a movie on your schedule instead of some arbitrary schedule that someone made up a long time ago.
 
2013-10-27 09:11:53 AM

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.



That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.
 
2013-10-27 09:19:49 AM
Haven't been the theater in years.

/has kids
/$40 for a baby sitter, yeah our night out better be for a $150+ meal for two with drinks and sex in an uncomfortable Volkswagen's backseat.
 
2013-10-27 09:20:53 AM

ThrillaManilla: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.


That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.


Back in the day (way before my day) movie theaters gave ticket holders dishes. And not the plastic crap you get at fast food places.
 
2013-10-27 09:21:00 AM
When my wife and i go to the movies we go to like the 6:30 showing on a Tuesday.  Typically not very crowded unless its other working professionals with the same idea.

I don't mind all the pre-movie crap, but let's be starting the movie on time.  I want the return of ushers.  If they catch you with your phone out after the movie starts, you are outta here.
 
2013-10-27 09:21:03 AM

ThrillaManilla: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.


That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.


Unfortunately the theatres themselves would never use good money on giving the movie going public to take home. That would cut into their bottom line. It's very rare that you get a promotional item with your ticket. I can honestly only remember it happening once. (Then again I haven't been to a theatre since the last LOTR movie) It was a very old movie called Salsa. They gave both my mother & I a bottle of salsa when we got our ticket. Clever promotion but it honestly didn't improve ticket sales. The movie still bombed.
 
2013-10-27 09:22:24 AM

enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3


Oh, I'm an idiot.

Never mind.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:20 AM
Sometimes seeing a movie in the theater is the way to go. "Gravity" is worth seeing on the big screen. But otherwise I wouldn't miss going to the theaters. I mostly see matinee films for the cheap ticket and most people at a matinee show can behave. I don't buy concession food because it's just way overpriced. But I'd rather see all the movies at home.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:38 AM

ThrillaManilla: The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.


No, I mean stagger times from one theater to another. Example - my daughter wants to see a movie after school. Two Cinemark theaters near me - both start kids' movies at 4, and the next showing will be around 7. But my daughter's school lets out at 3:45, which means 3:55-4:00 before she's actually getting in the car. So we either rush to the theater and miss the first 5-10 minutes of the film (even after commercials and trailers)... or we go to a late showing and completely screw up her bedtime... or we wait for a crowded and more expensive weekend showing.

They're losing potential customers from all the area elementary schools that way. Not every parent is going to take their kids on a weekend. And the theater owners are already spending the money on the staff and the showing during the week - why not start at 4:30 and sell another dozen tickets?
 
2013-10-27 09:28:43 AM
Oh, and fark cinemas. Drive Ins are the way to go.
 
2013-10-27 09:32:11 AM
"Subscription movie services and cheap rentals killed the DVD business, and now Sarandos wants to kill the cinema as well," Fithian said.

Oh shut up, you twat. You or someone very much like you said the same thing about DVD's, VHS, HBO, cable TV, and broadcast TV. Meanwhile we're getting billion dollar grossing movies pretty much every year now.

Is the movie industry changing? Sure, it's now all about home-run movies, and less ambitious-but-still-quality films are now relegated to independent status or just put on AMC. But don't give us this same old "Oh no what will we do" crap.
 
2013-10-27 09:36:28 AM
Hmm, I have AMC and Cinemark with multiple IMAX 3D systems in Dallas. Why can't I go see the Metallica movie? farkers.
 
2013-10-27 09:37:17 AM
Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?
 
2013-10-27 09:37:32 AM
Consumer choice, how does it work?
 
2013-10-27 09:39:16 AM

clkeagle: ThrillaManilla: The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.

No, I mean stagger times from one theater to another. Example - my daughter wants to see a movie after school. Two Cinemark theaters near me - both start kids' movies at 4, and the next showing will be around 7. But my daughter's school lets out at 3:45, which means 3:55-4:00 before she's actually getting in the car. So we either rush to the theater and miss the first 5-10 minutes of the film (even after commercials and trailers)... or we go to a late showing and completely screw up her bedtime... or we wait for a crowded and more expensive weekend showing.

They're losing potential customers from all the area elementary schools that way. Not every parent is going to take their kids on a weekend. And the theater owners are already spending the money on the staff and the showing during the week - why not start at 4:30 and sell another dozen tickets?


The amount of traffic from kids during the week is miniscule and that extra 25-30 minutes will offset later movies and make employees stay longer. Most kids see movies on the weekends when school doesn't really factor in.  The theater has to pander to their widest audience on a given night, most of whom want a start time that ends in an even number so they'll remember it better.
 
2013-10-27 09:40:37 AM
Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

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2013-10-27 09:42:41 AM
I love going to the movies.  I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.  

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be.  At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags.  Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

/The good thing about my local spot:  It is relatively new and the walls/ceilings do an excellent job of blocking phones (at least mine)
 
2013-10-27 09:43:43 AM

BalugaJoe: I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.


Exactly. other people are the reason i don't go. 

DVD's now come out less than 2 months after the movie does, THAT is killing the theater run window.

Oh, and make a movie people actually want to see instead of some "re-imagining" of a movie that was pretty good the first time they made it.
 
2013-10-27 09:50:26 AM

tillerman35: Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?


Because at some point, someone is going to get sick enough of Hollywood MathTM and start a new studio. And that studio is going to produce blockbusters for $40,000,000 a piece instead of $250,000,000. District 9 proved it can be done. (Yes, I know United Artists was a token attempt at this. It was still located in Hollywood - so it solved nothing).

Or someone is going to come up with a common-sense approach to web streaming for the studios themselves - something that is affordable for consumers, yet still profitable because they cut out the middle distributors.
 
2013-10-27 09:50:30 AM

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I did scheduling at a movie theater for years, and it's entirely based on staggering the shows and fitting as many showtimes in as possible. It's also helpful to have your movies start in hourly blocks so you have down time to clean up and restock. If the first movie is at 11:00AM, the first set will be from 11:00 to 12:00, then the next set will be 1:30 to 2:30, then 4:30 to 5:30, etc. It's all about maximizing showtimes. Also, different theaters never coordinate with each other, even within the same chain. There's just not enough time and resources in the day to go to that length. Typjcally we don't even get bookings until Tuesday night and have to get the schedule finalized within a 2 hour window. Half the time the schedule gets dictated by the corporate office anyways, so you may have it complete, but then the district manager just spits it back at you with revisions anyways.
 
2013-10-27 09:52:43 AM
two words: Cheap Seats.

most of the second run theaters I've been to don't care if you bring in your own food, there's usually a good mix of indie and slightly off-peak mega block busters, and even more, I've never once had to ask someone to stop talking/put your phone away/don't put your feet on the back of my chair in a theater where I paid more than 6$ for a ticket.

Either that, or just give in to the fact that you're gonna have a big lush seat, teeth rattling audio and some Bieber look alike yakking away on a farking iPhone during the whole film during your 3p.m. showing of Texas Sex Party:The Bloodying.
 
2013-10-27 09:55:14 AM

SauronWasFramed: I love going to the movies.  I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.  

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be.  At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags.  Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

/The good thing about my local spot:  It is relatively new and the walls/ceilings do an excellent job of blocking phones (at least mine)


...Sadly, this.  We have a bunch of nice theaters in our area - close by, always running good stuff, and good clean facilities staffed by people who can speak passable English.  But dear sweet mother of Jeebus, even if we hit the matinees the cost of the snacks runs a good $5-6 dollars past the cost of the damn tickets.  Then you get those moronic commercials that are so bad that the high point is the 'turn-your-phone-off" clip (have seen some funny ones).

I love going to the movies, because there's some stuff that just isn't going to look the same on a small screen.  But I think enough people feel like I do that Netflix might be on the right track.
 
2013-10-27 09:59:16 AM
Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$

You re not killing it movie theater owner..

/Dont go often but each time counts on the buget...
 
2013-10-27 10:01:35 AM

spman: I did scheduling at a movie theater for years, and it's entirely based on staggering the shows and fitting as many showtimes in as possible. It's also helpful to have your movies start in hourly blocks so you have down time to clean up and restock. If the first movie is at 11:00AM, the first set will be from 11:00 to 12:00, then the next set will be 1:30 to 2:30, then 4:30 to 5:30, etc. It's all about maximizing showtimes. Also, different theaters never coordinate with each other, even within the same chain. There's just not enough time and resources in the day to go to that length. Typjcally we don't even get bookings until Tuesday night and have to get the schedule finalized within a 2 hour window. Half the time the schedule gets dictated by the corporate office anyways, so you may have it complete, but then the district manager just spits it back at you with revisions anyways.


Thanks - I hadn't thought about the corporate micromanagement aspect. I'm guessing an individual theater manager has no recourse to his bosses, even if he knows that (sticking with the same example) his kids' movies showtimes are completely out of sync with the local school districts' schedules?
 
2013-10-27 10:08:43 AM

enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3


That's a terrible idea. Piss before you go to the movies
 
2013-10-27 10:12:31 AM

burning22001: Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$

You re not killing it movie theater owner..

/Dont go often but each time counts on the buget...


Why do you have to buy a bunch of overpriced food and drinks every time?
 
2013-10-27 10:17:19 AM
Went and saw Captain Phillips yesterday and I was aggravated by the time the move started because we had to sit through 15-20 minutes of commercials. It didn't used to always be like this.

Bring back the stupid movie trivia stuff or the elevator music. Stop bombarding me with advertisements though. I can live with 15 minutes of movie trailers, that's fine. But the never-ending advertising has to stop, especially when I'm already paying $10 a ticket and another $10-15 for popcorn and drinks. If I'm already paying that much towards the movie industry and the local place, then the advertisements need to go.
 
2013-10-27 10:18:43 AM

Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

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Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.
 
2013-10-27 10:20:26 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

[www.northernvirginiamag.com image 550x365]

Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.


And don't they also throw people out if they use a cell phone?
 
2013-10-27 10:25:16 AM

clkeagle: And don't they also throw people out if they use a cell phone?


Yep.  Saw that happen once too (on a guy I complained about).

Also, some of their special events are farking awesome.

A few months back they had Joel Hodgson of MST3K fame providing live commentary for life career biography, Riffing Myself, followed by a meet and greet with him and then him, another MST3K writer, and two other comedian doing life riffing of Thunderball.

They showed "The Last Unicorn" with the writer there to provide commentary and to do a Q&A.  Same with Robert Rodriquez.
 
2013-10-27 10:25:58 AM
SauronWasFramed [TotalFark]
2013-10-27 09:42:41 AM


I love going to the movies. I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be. At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags. Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

So overpriced bad quality food - you continue to buy
Rude attendees - not controlled by theater staff
and
Poor quality films - you continue to throw money at.

The problem isn't Netflix, it's customers like you. As long as you keep throwing $$ at people giving you shiat, you'll continue to receive shiat. Any capitalist should know this.
 
2013-10-27 10:31:08 AM

clkeagle: Or someone is going to come up with a common-sense approach to web streaming for the studios themselves


LOL, oh wait you're serious.

We can't even stream Hdlite and low-res audio well in 2013.  '4k' with Dolby Atmos , 3d, and 48 fps ?
I doubt we will have capacity to stream that in 2050 (not that many folks would actually install Atmos in their HT.... but still).  Streaming at the order of 3 TB/hour?  LOLOLOLOL
 
2013-10-27 10:31:48 AM

tillerman35: Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?


The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.
 
2013-10-27 10:41:30 AM
He could just as well be attacking TV manufacturers for making the home viewing experience superior to the hassles in most theaters. When you have a 50" HD or better and you wait a bit, squeezing into a cramped seat in a dirty theater with a noisy audience seems like an extreme waste of money. Local library just gave me a day watching the summer's best (Iron Man 3, World War Z, and This Is The End) yesterday....for free. Obviously, this guy has a job to do, but whining about changing tech just makes him sound like a douche.
 
2013-10-27 10:42:09 AM

nimawai: The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.


Which is why places like the Amazon Drafthouse are f'ing brilliant and awesome.  I'm usually spending 30 bucks on food and beer.
 
2013-10-27 10:50:27 AM
NO.
Hey movie theater THIEVES, take a hint from me: It shouldn't cost $50 or $40 or even $30 for a couple of people to go to a movie and get a popcorn and drink, a-holes.

The free market is sending you a message and that message is, "You suck!"
 
2013-10-27 10:50:37 AM

dietbubba: I don't mind all the pre-movie crap, but let's be starting the movie on time


If the movie started on time, you might miss the 20 minutes of commercials they run before the show starts.

And if I have to watch 20 minutes of commercials, I want a free show.
 
2013-10-27 10:53:14 AM
And oh yes, while I remember:
STOP the freaking half hour or more of commercials before the farking movie, a-holes!
 
2013-10-27 10:58:22 AM

Leader O'Cola: We can't even stream Hdlite and low-res audio well in 2013.  '4k' with Dolby Atmos , 3d, and 48 fps ?
I doubt we will have capacity to stream that in 2050 (not that many folks would actually install Atmos in their HT.... but still).  Streaming at the order of 3 TB/hour?  LOLOLOLOL


You're correct, but so what?  The quality on Netflix is still good enough even if it isn't top-of-the-line.  I stopped going to the theater for all but the biggest blockbusters (and many times not even then) years ago, and cut my cable as well, in favor of Netflix and other sources on the internet, and honestly, I don't miss the theater or cable at all, even if the quality is supposedly downgraded.  The good completely outweighs the bad.  You probably don't agree, and that's fine.  I really believe that we're seeing the majority not care, though.
 
2013-10-27 11:00:07 AM
Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.
 
2013-10-27 11:02:41 AM

Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.


Down economy, huh?

That must be why college admissions are down. Oh wait...
 
2013-10-27 11:04:39 AM

olddeegee: He could just as well be attacking TV manufacturers for making the home viewing experience superior to the hassles in most theaters. When you have a 50" HD or better and you wait a bit, squeezing into a cramped seat in a dirty theater with a noisy audience seems like an extreme waste of money. Local library just gave me a day watching the summer's best (Iron Man 3, World War Z, and This Is The End) yesterday....for free. Obviously, this guy has a job to do, but whining about changing tech just makes him sound like a douche.


Don't forget those bastards who make surround sound systems.  And the jerks who make couches and lazyboys.  And those asshole beer and other food product makers.
 
2013-10-27 11:05:18 AM
(Reads through comments...)

Wow, Fark is old and cranky this morning, or theaters in the US are much worse shape than Canada.
 
2013-10-27 11:06:27 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

[www.northernvirginiamag.com image 550x365]

Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.


Also -- reserved seats!

The pre-movie stuff aren't farking annoying commercials but very entertaining unearthed clips related to the movie or actors such as old cartoons, commercials from "before they were stars", campy japanese tv shows, etc. Sometimes, it's better than the actual movie.....

And of course, the famous NO TALKING NO TEXTING NO CELL PHONES WE FARKING MEAN IT OR WE'LL KILL YOU AND DUMP YOUR BODY IN A LANDFILL policy
 
2013-10-27 11:16:44 AM

Tax Boy: The pre-movie stuff aren't farking annoying commercials but very entertaining unearthed clips related to the movie or actors such as old cartoons, commercials from "before they were stars", campy japanese tv shows, etc. Sometimes, it's better than the actual movie.....


Yep.  I've really been enjoying their "upcoming old movies" videos they do.  I've actually bought a few albums from bands I've never heard of until then.
Black Angels' War on Holiday
Matt & Kim's It's Alright

Tax Boy: And of course, the famous NO TALKING NO TEXTING NO CELL PHONES WE FARKING MEAN IT OR WE'LL KILL YOU AND DUMP YOUR BODY IN A LANDFILL policy


The no talking big Danny Trejo did for Machete Kills was awesome.
 
2013-10-27 11:21:49 AM
Buggy whip makers demand car makers switch out engines for horses, more at 11.
 
2013-10-27 11:21:51 AM

" It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn."


I think there's not so many people who don't realize that concessions is where a lot of movie theaters make their money. Otherwise why would you have to overpay so much on soda and popcorn? I wouldn't mind overpaying for popcorn and soda but the prices are ridiculous. One time I bought a matinee ticket which cost $7. I then bought a medium popcorn and medium soda, which cost $11, more expensive than the ticket. No wonder people sneak food into the movies.

"I got kicked out of a theater the other day for bringing my own food in. I argued that the concession stand prices were outrageous. Besides, I hadn't had a barbecue in a long time."
-Steven Wright

 
2013-10-27 11:25:36 AM

clkeagle: spman: I did scheduling at a movie theater for years, and it's entirely based on staggering the shows and fitting as many showtimes in as possible. It's also helpful to have your movies start in hourly blocks so you have down time to clean up and restock. If the first movie is at 11:00AM, the first set will be from 11:00 to 12:00, then the next set will be 1:30 to 2:30, then 4:30 to 5:30, etc. It's all about maximizing showtimes. Also, different theaters never coordinate with each other, even within the same chain. There's just not enough time and resources in the day to go to that length. Typjcally we don't even get bookings until Tuesday night and have to get the schedule finalized within a 2 hour window. Half the time the schedule gets dictated by the corporate office anyways, so you may have it complete, but then the district manager just spits it back at you with revisions anyways.

Thanks - I hadn't thought about the corporate micromanagement aspect. I'm guessing an individual theater manager has no recourse to his bosses, even if he knows that (sticking with the same example) his kids' movies showtimes are completely out of sync with the local school districts' schedules?


There's just generally not enough time to put that much thought into it. Schedules are built around maximizing grosses on the weekends which is when they do 95% of their business anyways. Weekdays schedules are generally an afterthought, unless it's a holiday. Generally I would make the schedule based on what works best for a Saturday, and that would end up being the schedule for the entire week.
 
2013-10-27 11:25:47 AM

burning22001: Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$


You could try surviving for 2 hours without shoving junk food into your face.
 
2013-10-27 11:26:36 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: NO.
Hey movie theater THIEVES, take a hint from me: It shouldn't cost $50 or $40 or even $30 for a couple of people to go to a movie and get a popcorn and drink, a-holes.

The free market is sending you a message and that message is, "You suck!"




You sound old.

The target audience is under 29.
 
2013-10-27 11:30:24 AM

skinink: " It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn."
I think there's not so many people who don't realize that concessions is where a lot of movie theaters make their money. Otherwise why would you have to overpay so much on soda and popcorn? I wouldn't mind overpaying for popcorn and soda but the prices are ridiculous. One time I bought a matinee ticket which cost $7. I then bought a medium popcorn and medium soda, which cost $11, more expensive than the ticket. No wonder people sneak food into the movies.

"I got kicked out of a theater the other day for bringing my own food in. I argued that the concession stand prices were outrageous. Besides, I hadn't had a barbecue in a long time."
-Steven Wright


What gets me about most traditional theaters is that not only are the food prices high, the food quality and selection farking sucks.
 
2013-10-27 11:31:38 AM

TV's Vinnie: Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.




If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.
 
2013-10-27 11:31:58 AM
I actually went to the theater yesterday, for the first time in...uh...well, it's been a while. I was pleasantly surprised by this particular theater's equipment and that a normal movie ticket was only $7.50. Granted, that's a lot higher than it used to be, but with some now charging $10+, it was like seeing "cheap" gas somewhere. You're still getting bent over, but it doesn't hurt as much.

...and then I saw the concession stand. Almost $16 for a frogdamned popcorn and drink? And people were BUYING IT? What the fark is wrong with you?

I was suddenly glad that I got in for free by donating blood, because I'm sure as hell not paying money to support that insanity.
 
2013-10-27 11:34:51 AM

dietbubba: When my wife and i go to the movies we go to like the 6:30 showing on a Tuesday.  Typically not very crowded unless its other working professionals with the same idea.

I don't mind all the pre-movie crap, but let's be starting the movie on time.  I want the return of ushers.  If they catch you with your phone out after the movie starts, you are outta here.


THIS.

Last movie I saw, I had to tolerate a sea of lit smartphone screens in front of me.

/ stadium seating, I'm usually in the back rows...
 
2013-10-27 11:39:58 AM
It's almost like there's a conspiracy out there by Hollywood to destroy Hollywood.

From what I understand, the producers or distributors or whomever it is, take a large percentage of the movie theater ticket sales.  They take so much in fact that movie theaters operate in the red, until you factor in the $6 cup of soda, $10 bag of popcorn and $8 box of candy.

On the flip sides, those same entities are reluctant to license their materials to streaming video services like Netflix, or if they do, they often release the movies years after they were in the theater.  It used to be that was the timeframe that movies would start popping up on over the air channels.

But now, there are next to no movie stores around, and let's be honest, the selection at your local Redbox or Blockbuster is very, very limited.  So, if there's a specific movie you want to watch, and you've checked Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, random video services A,B, & C, and Redbox, but it's not on any of those services ... guess where people are going to look next.  I'll give you three options....

1) Go to the store and spend $25 on the Blu Ray
2) Sign-up for yet another video on demand service to pay $8.99 to watch the movie for up to 24 hours
3) Google [name of the movie] + torrent
4) Give up, just not watch the movie

I'm thinking the vast number of us go for options 3 and 4.  Either way, it's a pretty sure sign that nobody's willing to pay more than a pittance to watch Big Mama's Paranormal Dawn Trilogy part 8 : Extra Special Director's Edition.
 
2013-10-27 12:03:48 PM

HempHead: TV's Vinnie: Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.

If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.


Studios had better step up their game then, otherwise nothing of value would be lost here.
 
2013-10-27 12:07:10 PM

HempHead: If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.


Yes, because TV shows like The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Mad Men and Breaking Bad are obviously low budget garbage.

Quality does not require Hollywood budgets.  It requires a good story and good acting.
 
2013-10-27 12:19:45 PM

Satanic_Hamster: nimawai: The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.

Which is why places like the Amazon Drafthouse are f'ing brilliant and awesome.  I'm usually spending 30 bucks on food and beer.


If they had Alamo Drafthouse where I live I might give going to the cinema another shot. Unfortunately we don't have that here. As long they get get ticket prices & get you to buy family sized popcorn for each member of the family they don't give a crap what happens when the movie begins. You could stand up & start twerking in front of the screen & management wouldn't care. It's pretty sad.
 
2013-10-27 12:30:23 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: HempHead: If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made. Sure, a bunch of nerds will still shoot Star Wars XVI on the weekends with camcorders, but you will have nothing with a $500 million budget like Avatar.

More like Sci-Fi, oops, Scy-Fy monster movies and LifeTime movie of the week.

Yes, because TV shows like The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Mad Men and Breaking Bad are obviously low budget garbage.

Quality does not require Hollywood budgets.  It requires a good story and good acting.


I wonder if that's what happened... all the quality people who should/would be making excellent films have switched over to television? TV drama in the last 10-12 years really has blown the rest of television history out of the water.
 
2013-10-27 12:41:29 PM
I'm finding the death of the centralized entertainment industry fascinating.  Imagine if you will, a massive wall with a very narrow gate staffed by the industry overlords calling down to let people in, now imagine that there's massive sections on either side of the gate that have been knocked down, and you have a mental picture of the situation in Hollywood/LA/New York  People are still lining up to get in through the gate because that's the main road with the developed infrastructure and established shops, but little shops are springing up around the torn down sections which have to be negotiated carefully and then there's some twisty-turnies to end up on the main road inside.  At some point the main road will be equal in importance with the other roads.
 
2013-10-27 12:48:25 PM

nimawai: If they had Alamo Drafthouse where I live I might give going to the cinema another shot. Unfortunately we don't have that here. As long they get get ticket prices & get you to buy family sized popcorn for each member of the family they don't give a crap what happens when the movie begins. You could stand up & start twerking in front of the screen & management wouldn't care. It's pretty sad.


Yeah, but look at me for example.  Previously when going to the regular movie theaters, I would never buy food and rarely drinks.  I can live with overpriced food, but I can't tolerate overpriced crappy food.

A place like Alamo has good food.  It's a bit over priced, but at least they're no giving you crap on a crap platter.    :0
 
2013-10-27 12:55:47 PM
Oh no!  If the Hollywood system collapses because of Netflix, we won't get to see Avatar 2: Blue boobs again, Avatar 3: Die, Darkman, Die, Avatar 4, or Avatar 5: The Reckoning.  Plus, we'll miss out on gems like Pocahontas IV and Cars 4: Trucks.
 
2013-10-27 12:56:19 PM

Jerseysteve22: enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3

That's a terrible idea. Piss before you go to the movies


This is actually the number one reason why I won't go to the movies anymore.   I HATE getting up in the middle of the movie to pee.  I pee often...asking me to hold it 2+ hours may seem reasonable, but my bladder would argue that.
 
2013-10-27 01:00:53 PM

Hebalo: (Reads through comments...)

Wow, Fark is old and cranky this morning, or theaters in the US are much worse shape than Canada.


All the cool kids are still shaking off last nights bender.
 
2013-10-27 01:04:30 PM

Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

[www.northernvirginiamag.com image 550x365]


THIS!

My wife and I have attended the last three Quote-a-longs and they were so much fun. I probably wouldn't go for anything but a special event, as I'd hate to put up with servers coming in and out of a movie I really wanted to see. But if we're watching Spaceballs and shouting the lines at the screen, that's another story entirely.
 
2013-10-27 01:06:56 PM

nimawai: tillerman35: Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?

The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.


I think the studios would have to take into account how likely it was that people would pay $30 for access to a new movie when they're using a service (with thousands of other choices) they've already paid a subscription to.  I'm a pretty bad measure of that likelihood because I've never bought a PPV movie in my life.  On the other hand, I've asked around I don't know of anyone else who has either.  Why pay for something that will be on the regular streaming rotation in three months or a couple years?
 
2013-10-27 01:09:41 PM

another cultural observer: Oh no!  If the Hollywood system collapses because of Netflix, we won't get to see Avatar 2: Blue boobs again, Avatar 3: Die, Darkman, Die, Avatar 4, or Avatar 5: The Reckoning.  Plus, we'll miss out on gems like Pocahontas IV and Cars 4: Trucks.


Instead we'll get all Asylum, all the time.
 
2013-10-27 01:13:44 PM

jayhawk88: "Subscription movie services and cheap rentals killed the DVD business, and now Sarandos wants to kill the cinema as well," Fithian said.

Oh shut up, you twat. You or someone very much like you said the same thing about DVD's, VHS, HBO, cable TV, and broadcast TV. Meanwhile we're getting billion dollar grossing movies pretty much every year now.

Is the movie industry changing? Sure, it's now all about home-run movies, and less ambitious-but-still-quality films are now relegated to independent status or just put on AMC. But don't give us this same old "Oh no what will we do" crap.


The DVD business is dead? That explains all the rusting junked Redboxes in front of every gas station, supermarket, pharmacy and fast-food joint.
 
2013-10-27 01:19:43 PM

soporific: THIS!

My wife and I have attended the last three Quote-a-longs and they were so much fun. I probably wouldn't go for anything but a special event, as I'd hate to put up with servers coming in and out of a movie I really wanted to see. But if we're watching Spaceballs and shouting the lines at the screen, that's another story entirely.


Never had problems with the servers.  They're generally quiet and quick.
 
2013-10-27 01:30:08 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

Down economy, huh?

That must be why college admissions are down. Oh wait...


Being accepted to college, and paying for college with actual money you have instead of loans, are two separate things.
 
2013-10-27 01:37:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: soporific: THIS!

My wife and I have attended the last three Quote-a-longs and they were so much fun. I probably wouldn't go for anything but a special event, as I'd hate to put up with servers coming in and out of a movie I really wanted to see. But if we're watching Spaceballs and shouting the lines at the screen, that's another story entirely.

Never had problems with the servers.  They're generally quiet and quick.


Oh, no, the servers are fantastic. Never had a complaint and I always tip well. I just get easily irritated by ANY distractions when I'm watching a movie. It's not them, it's me. I only hit the Drafthouse for certain types of shows.
 
2013-10-27 01:41:04 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Yeah, but look at me for example.  Previously when going to the regular movie theaters, I would never buy food and rarely drinks.  I can live with overpriced food, but I can't tolerate overpriced crappy food.

A place like Alamo has good food.  It's a bit over priced, but at least they're no giving you crap on a crap platter.    :0


I was talking about other movie theatres. If we had an Alamo I'd probably go once in a while. It would be like a special night out. You get a decent dinner and a show. You also don't have to worry about little kids crying, cell phones going off, people talking, ect... That's worth the extra money you pay.

tillerman35: I think the studios would have to take into account how likely it was that people would pay $30 for access to a new movie when they're using a service (with thousands of other choices) they've already paid a subscription to.  I'm a pretty bad measure of that likelihood because I've never bought a PPV movie in my life.  On the other hand, I've asked around I don't know of anyone else who has either.  Why pay for something that will be on the regular streaming rotation in three months or a couple years?


Personally I wouldn't pay $30 just so I could see a new movie at home. Then again I don't have a family of my own & I don't mind waiting & watching it later. I could see how it would be great for a family. It's much more cost effective than going to a cinema. Especially when you factor in concession costs. For a family of 4 that's $40 just for tickets. You're already saving $10 before the movie even starts.
 
2013-10-27 01:51:02 PM

AliceBToklasLives: ThrillaManilla: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.


That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.

Back in the day (way before my day) movie theaters gave ticket holders dishes. And not the plastic crap you get at fast food places.


The guy who wrote "Christmas Story," Jean Shepard, has an hysterical piece about "Dish night" in one of his books. All the women in town were thrilled about getting a new set of dishes for free (since most people went to the movies at least once a week back then), and it started off fine, but then the theater owner kept getting shipments of gravy boats instead of the next item in the series. This went on for weeks and the women got more and more angry at having piles of gravy boats that they supposedly were going to have to turn in for the dishes they should have gotten when they finally arrived. This became the "Great Gravy Boat Riot."

Love Jean Shepard. If you've only seen "Christmas Story" do yourself a favor and buy his books. He wrote such classics as "Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories and Other Disasters" and "In God we Trust, All Others Pay Cash" etc. Lots of the stories in these books were mashed together to make "Christmas Story" but lots of other hysterical stuff was left out. Definitely worth buying and reading.
 
2013-10-27 02:03:02 PM
Maybe if the big chain theaters would stop letting people bring their babies in or talk on their phones throughout the show, they'd see more ticket sales.  Alamo Drafthouse seems to be doing OK.
 
2013-10-27 02:04:28 PM

Twist-42: BalugaJoe: I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.

Exactly. other people are the reason i don't go. 

DVD's now come out less than 2 months after the movie does, THAT is killing the theater run window.

Oh, and make a movie people actually want to see instead of some "re-imagining" of a movie that was pretty good the first time they made it.


Other people are the main reason I don't go to movies. The last movie I saw first run in the theater was "Avatar" and I can't remember the movie I saw before that...maybe the first "Jurasic Park." The other people are so rude, loud, and/or tall in front of you or putting their feet on the back of your seat, etc., that it makes the experience of the movie less than optimal. And now there's phones in theaters, too. The food is too expensive, but if you don't get something you might as well have stayed at home anyway.

When my husband and I were first married, before the baby came along two years later, we used to go to the movies at least once a week. There was an awesome theater in Petaluma that played older movies, art-house movies, and had usually two or three movies at a sitting, with breaks between them. One screen. They would do themes, like three funny Woody Allen movies in a row, stuff like that. They also served the best concession food, like poppy-seed cake, excellent foot-long hot dogs, soft pretzels, and fresh hot popcorn with actual butter. That was the place we first saw Rock Horror Picture Show at midnight, and they had the full audience participation. Naturally, because they were fun and different, they have long since closed :(
 
2013-10-27 02:10:25 PM
If you want the full movie theatre  experience It cost almost a $100 for 2 people. AND THAT is what is killing the "Cinema" industry. Ticket prices with ridiculous concession prices. Add to the fact that AMC and Carmike no longer have twilight shows=cheaper shows before 5pm. And throw in people on cell phones and talking---Why not wait 4 months till it is in my home for basically free. Shoot I would rather pay $20 for the DVD at this point. I loved the theatre. Really loved it. I just can not justify the cost.
 
2013-10-27 02:15:26 PM
I don't know anyone who has taken the time to build a nice home theater that still likes going to the cinema. You get a better experience watching it at home and don't have to deal with crowds or overpriced snacks.
 
2013-10-27 02:22:20 PM
HempHead:


If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made.

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Yeah. Just like they died in the 1950's when TV sets became popular.
 
2013-10-27 02:32:02 PM
I don't go to the movies too often because I prefer to watch movies in my pajamas and have the ability to pause them to go get snacks and go to the bathroom and to be able to rewind them if I miss something because my kid was loud.
 
2013-10-27 02:35:21 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.


I keep on saying: stop just being a place where you put a film on a screen, make it an experience. Spend some money on making the building design nice, like how old cinemas in the UK were art nouveau or art deco, rather than the cheapest industrial design. Put things on that make people regulars, like sing-a-longs, retrospectives or film talks.

I still think cinema is a bargain. OK, if you buy popcorn and drinks it's farking expensive, but I took my kids to see Pacific Rim for £20, and there isn't much else I can take my kids to that is that price. A couple of games of bowling costs more. Going to a musical costs far more.
 
2013-10-27 02:45:33 PM

katerbug72: I don't go to the movies too often because I prefer to watch movies in my pajamas and have the ability to pause them to go get snacks and go to the bathroom and to be able to rewind them if I miss something because my kid was loud.


And bong hits and beer and I'm right there with you.
 
2013-10-27 02:50:56 PM

Carth: I don't know anyone who has taken the time to build a nice home theater that still likes going to the cinema. You get a better experience watching it at home and don't have to deal with crowds or overpriced snacks.


The reason why I don't have a home theater system is that I'd rather spend the same money on tickets.

My friend has a set-up that cost him nearly £1K and it's good, but for that I can take the kids to the cinema 50 times. Which is about a decade of viewing.

And no, it still isn't as good. You're getting 2K resolution compared to 4K resolution with digital cinema. The sound still isn't as good because your front room hasn't been set up acoustically like a theater has.
 
2013-10-27 03:11:42 PM
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Carth: I don't know anyone who has taken the time to build a nice home theater that still likes going to the cinema. You get a better experience watching it at home and don't have to deal with crowds or overpriced snacks.


I have a nice HD projector, a decent surround-sound system, and access to tons of movies with Netflix Instant Watch, Vudu, HBO Go, Crackle, and Netflix discs-by-mail, among other choices.

I have been to the theater twice in 2013. Once to see Beautiful Creatures with my fiancee (the theater was empty except for us, so we fooled around while the movie was playing), and once to see Iron Man 3 by myself while she was working.

The price of movies is what keeps me away. When a matinee is $7, that's when I consider it no longer worth it unless it's a movie I've been waiting for, or a movie my girl wants to see together. Even then, she weighs the value of seeing it now versus the savings of waiting until we can rent it.

Honestly, I miss our local drive-in theater. She and I had some good times there. However, the last movie we saw there was Ghostbusters 2.
 
2013-10-27 03:31:39 PM

TV's Vinnie: HempHead:


If Cinema and theaters die, there will be no movies made.

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Yeah. Just like they died in the 1950's when TV sets became popular.




But where will the money come from? Your analogy is in complete because movie theaters did not close in the 50's.


Say you spend $200 million on a Pixar kids film. With no theater admissions, you will have to generate $600 million in TV rights, DVD, Netflix, cable etc. to make your money back.

The money is just not there.

It's barely there for Walking Dead to spend $1 million on each episode.
 
2013-10-27 03:34:31 PM

highwayrun: jayhawk88: "Subscription movie services and cheap rentals killed the DVD business, and now Sarandos wants to kill the cinema as well," Fithian said.

Oh shut up, you twat. You or someone very much like you said the same thing about DVD's, VHS, HBO, cable TV, and broadcast TV. Meanwhile we're getting billion dollar grossing movies pretty much every year now.

Is the movie industry changing? Sure, it's now all about home-run movies, and less ambitious-but-still-quality films are now relegated to independent status or just put on AMC. But don't give us this same old "Oh no what will we do" crap.

The DVD business is dead? That explains all the rusting junked Redboxes in front of every gas station, supermarket, pharmacy and fast-food joint.




Target doesn't even sell DVDs any more.
 
2013-10-27 04:11:08 PM

HempHead: Target doesn't even sell DVDs any more.


Of course they do.
 
2013-10-27 04:32:58 PM

Mugato: HempHead: Target doesn't even sell DVDs any more.

Of course they do.




My local Target only sells Blu-Ray.
 
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2013-10-27 04:45:13 PM

OnlyM3: Rude attendees - not controlled by theater staff


Bullshiat that's not controlled by the staff.

Staff: "You! Shut up or get thrown out. This is your last warning"
 
2013-10-27 05:42:34 PM
I go to the theater if there is a movie I want to see that needs to be on the bigger screen.

This year, that has been:

Fast 6

Pacific Rim

Gravity

The rest, I wait for home.
It's just not worth the expense and the hassle.

Why Hollywood doesn't make movies that take advantage of the controlled variables of screen size and sound systems, I don't understand.

Fewer movies with longer runs and taking advantage of the spectacle factor of the movie going experience would probably help.

Send the vast bulk of today's releases to TV and make going to the movies worth the money. Heck, make it an event and you could charge 30 bucks a ticket.
 
2013-10-27 05:49:11 PM
One of the better movies I've seen this year, at Drafthouse was a good crime/cop movie from China, sub titled.
 
2013-10-27 05:50:54 PM
Hmmm, image got eaten.
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2013-10-27 06:16:19 PM

HempHead: Say you spend $200 million on a Pixar kids film. With no theater admissions, you will have to generate $600 million in TV rights, DVD, Netflix, cable etc. to make your money back.


So, your logic is "the Hollywood bigshots spent an assload to make this movie (mostly on hookers & blow for themselves), so we have no choice but to line up and pay up.

No need to give me more proof that you're a troll.

PS: Ask Art Buchwald how Hollywood really handles it's finances.
 
2013-10-27 06:28:20 PM
3D and IMAX aside, I don't see how ticket prices are much more than they were 10 years ago. Concession prices I don't pay attention to because I don't consider that a mandatory part of going to the movies. I know they have a lot more concessions than they used to. Popcorn, hot dogs, nachos, broiled chicken, lasagna, chocolate souffle, etc. That might be why people think it's so much more expensive to go to the movies.
 
2013-10-27 06:43:55 PM

Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.


Yep. Netflix has the right of it. I'd spend the money to watch new releases on release day at home, via Netflix - money I don't spend at the theater because of all of the above, plus lousy customer service, rude customers, and the very real possibility of criminal activity (at least in my neighborhood.)

Producers, take note. It's time. Theater owners are holding you back. Netflix isn't - they will happily show any movie, shiatty or star-studded, and show it to a huge audience. If nothing else, it will force theater owners to bring back a real theater experience, instead of treating theaters like the steerage class area of the friggin' Titanic - theater owners can charge more, and in return bring back better seating, real food options, and other amenities that went the way of the dodo during the 80's thanks to the need for greed.
 
2013-10-27 07:06:01 PM
I go to the arclight in so. Cal. You can order booze before hand they have great popcorn and assigned seating. I can get there right as the movie starts and my seat is waiting for me.
 
2013-10-27 07:12:11 PM
Everyone in this thread sounds obsessed with the price of food at the theater. You know buying concessions isn't mandatory, right?

/this thread sounds fat
 
2013-10-27 07:30:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: HempHead: Say you spend $200 million on a Pixar kids film. With no theater admissions, you will have to generate $600 million in TV rights, DVD, Netflix, cable etc. to make your money back.

So, your logic is "the Hollywood bigshots spent an assload to make this movie (mostly on hookers & blow for themselves), so we have no choice but to line up and pay up.

No need to give me more proof that you're a troll.

PS: Ask Art Buchwald how Hollywood really handles it's finances.




I hate how 'troll' is now used to describe anyone that disagrees with your position.

Films normally have to make 3x's the negative cost to break even.

For simple example, a small $20 million film will need to make $60 million in box office to break even. 1/2 the box office is kept by the theater($30 million), $10 million is spent on advertising, $20 million making the film.

Art Buchwald is dead.
 
2013-10-27 07:39:40 PM

HempHead: Films normally have to make 3x's the negative cost to break even.

For simple example, a small $20 million film will need to make $60 million in box office to break even. 1/2 the box office is kept by the theater($30 million), $10 million is spent on advertising, $20 million making the film.


It's closer to 1.5 to 2x the budget. The theaters don't keep nearly half.
 
2013-10-27 09:02:21 PM

Mugato: HempHead: Films normally have to make 3x's the negative cost to break even.

For simple example, a small $20 million film will need to make $60 million in box office to break even. 1/2 the box office is kept by the theater($30 million), $10 million is spent on advertising, $20 million making the film.

It's closer to 1.5 to 2x the budget. The theaters don't keep nearly half.




Film rental varies depending on how much the film grosses, but 50% is very close for a small film.
 
2013-10-27 10:44:16 PM

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

1) no more goddamn television commercials.  movie previews, fine, that makes sense.  but i'm not paying money to sit and watch commercials for car dealerships and furniture stores.  that infuriates me that they show commercials now.


That does indeed suck.  I was unaware of this practice, but I've only been to a movie theater twice this century.  OTOH, it does help the theater owners out.  I don't mind ignoring a commercial or maybe even two, but anymore than that and I start to get angry.

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.

What are you expecting?  Some cheap trinket?  That's not going to do it for me.  Unless I really like a movie, it's going to get tossed into a box of other stuff I don't give a shiat about.  I do have a nice magazine-type publication from when Return of the Jedi first hit theaters, but I had to pay for that.  I have no idea where it is.  I'll probably try to sell it on ebay if I ever find it.

3) if the movie is more than 2 hours long, please include a 10-minute intermission halfway through.  i know lots of people who can't go see movies like the hobbit in theaters because they are just too long and they can't sit for that longor they need a bathroom break.

I remember when some movies had intermissions.  Maybe if it's more than 2 1/2 hours they should have one, otherwise it's a waste of time,

4) have certain showings, maybe after 10pm, where people under the age of 21 are not allowed.  i hate going to see a movie and the theater is full of teenagers playing with their phones and talking the whole time.

Unfortunately, that is their largest audience so that's not going to happen.

5) make more movies i actually want to see in a theater.

That would be awesome.  I struggle to find movies I actually like.  Quite often they're just formulaic crap.  This is why I usually stay home instead of going to a theater.

They might try serving beer, but liquor licenses are expensive and much of their audience is too young anyway.  I know there are some theaters that serve alcohol, but not in my town and most of them do not.

Serving food might be a good idea too.  I don't mean popcorn and Milk Duds.  They could partner up with a fast food joint like Wendy's or KFC.  It seems like a win-win opportunity.

it really is a losing battle cinemas are facing.  70-80 years ago theaters were the best place to see the latest film.  TVs were small back then and not every household even had one.  Now a typical household has multiple large screens and a huge selection of things to watch.   We can pause the movie if we need to take a bathroom break or throw some popcorn in the microwave (for about 1/10th the cost of popcorn in a theater).

Our TVs may still be a bit smaller than a movie theater screen, but our sofas our much more comfortable than theater seats.  In many cases our sound systems are better than movie theaters or at least as good.

The last time I went to a theater was to see Phish when they did a simulcast of a concert in theaters all over the country.  That was interesting.  It was like going to a concert without actually being there.  I don't know why they didn't just do a pay-per-view thing where we could have gathered together in someone's home, I can't say, but it was kind of fun,  Needless to say a lot of pot was smoked in the theater that day and they probably didn't like that, but it was an innovative idea and the crowd was pretty peaceful and didn't cause any problems.
 
2013-10-27 11:09:37 PM

SauronWasFramed: And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church


My town used to have one strip club and it is being converted into a church now so I really got a kick out of your post.  I obviously didn't go often enough.

Actually, I didn't go that often because it was a shiatty strip club and there will probably be better looking women at the church.

Not that I'll go to the church either, but the strip club was a shiathole.
 
2013-10-28 02:51:37 PM

HempHead: Mugato: HempHead: Target doesn't even sell DVDs any more.

Of course they do.

My local Target only sells Blu-Ray.


Is your local Target just a "Target" or is it a "Super Target"?
 
2013-10-28 04:26:51 PM

Mugato: Everyone in this thread sounds obsessed with the price of food at the theater. You know buying concessions isn't mandatory, right?

/this thread sounds fat


This thread sounds old. Along the same lines, the cost we should be concerned with is what our kids will pay such that they're in a moderately controlled environment and not home whining about how there's nothing to do in this town.
 
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