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2013-10-27 08:33:29 AM  
Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.
 
2013-10-27 08:45:15 AM  

Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.


There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?
 
2013-10-27 08:45:24 AM  
I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.
 
2013-10-27 08:54:43 AM  

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I never thought about it that much, but from what I remember there are standard 'movie times' that movies start at throughout the day. Why? I don't know. But a lot of what theater owners complain about sounds like they're super mad about someone getting in the way of them farking the public in the ass. They actually seem offended by the idea that they should EVER have to cater to anything the public wants. Like not having prices jacked up sky high, like not letting screaming babies and children into adult-themed movies, not letting everyone talk in the theater and answer their phones, not having shiatty hyper expensive concessions, having plenty of bad seats where your view of the screen isn't that great, dirty, sticky floors. Yeah, why should we be bending over backwards to protect them again? Netflix, larger tv screens and the concept of on-demand isn't exactly the bad guy here.
 
2013-10-27 08:59:37 AM  
The theatrical release window is rather short, if it exists at all.  I've seen movies show up on Netflix instant two weeks after they close at the local art houses.  So do I pay $8 for a matinee or for a month of unlimited movies and tv?  (Of course it's not really a choice - instant is insanely cheap, even if I watch 1 movie a week)

If it's 1993, if I wanna see the movie, I'm gonna pay the $8 ($4 back then) at the theatre cause who knows if the video store will even stock it.

2013 - well, is it worth seeing it on the big screen?  Some movies are better in the theatre.  But there are quite a few more I'm just going to wait for streaming or dvd.
 
2013-10-27 09:01:36 AM  
things that would make me go to the theater more often:

1) no more goddamn television commercials.  movie previews, fine, that makes sense.  but i'm not paying money to sit and watch commercials for car dealerships and furniture stores.  that infuriates me that they show commercials now.
2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.
3) if the movie is more than 2 hours long, please include a 10-minute intermission halfway through.  i know lots of people who can't go see movies like the hobbit in theaters because they are just too long and they can't sit for that long or they need a bathroom break.
4) have certain showings, maybe after 10pm, where people under the age of 21 are not allowed.  i hate going to see a movie and the theater is full of teenagers playing with their phones and talking the whole time.
5) make more movies i actually want to see in a theater.
 
2013-10-27 09:02:45 AM  
What's they matter, theater owners? Can you no longer blame VHS tape?
 
2013-10-27 09:03:35 AM  

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:


6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.
 
2013-10-27 09:05:56 AM  

Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.


i actually included that one.  see #3
 
2013-10-27 09:08:41 AM  

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.
 
2013-10-27 09:09:25 AM  
I hate going to the theatre. Especially in the first few weeks after a release. Especially if it's a movie that everyone and their dog wants to go see. You get crunching of wrappers, people talking, people moving around & blocking part of the screen, cell phones going off, ect... I also have the problem of not being able to see physically darker scenes because of my vision. So I tend to wait for it to come out on DVD.

At redbox it's also a lot cheaper. For $1 I can see the movie in the comfort of my own home. I can make my own popcorn at a fraction of the cost. I can also pause the movie if I need to. Lastly I can adjust the brightness on my tv so I'm able to see the darker scenes. Which is why I much prefer watching a movie at my house instead of going to a cinema.

The whole argument is stupid. It's the theatres saying "Don't you dare cut into my piece of the pie!" Then Netflix saying "But it's such a sweet looking pie. Why can't I have a piece of it?" Theatres have needed to change for a long time. It's a very old method of business.

Technology has changed a LOT since the first movie theatres come to be. Yet they are sticking their feet in concrete and saying "I'M NOT MOVING!!!" Like a big friggen baby who's toys are being taken away. They need to look to the future of entertainment or they are going to be a part of the past. It won't be the fault of things like Netflix or Redbox. History has shown us that if you don't keep up with the times you'll get trampled.

The argument that if theatres go away movies will too is B.S. There is always going to be a market for movies. People want to be entertained. Movies are a fun way to be entertained. The movie making industry will still be paid. It just wouldn't be paid by movies being in theatres. It would get paid by things like Netflix, Redbox, DVD/Blu-ray sales, ect...

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I think it's a mixture of both. It is standard practice to have showings right around the same time. Every theatre, at least where I live, opens at the same time. So all movies tend to have the same start times. I agree with you. If times were staggered between theatres it would help in seeing a movie on your schedule instead of some arbitrary schedule that someone made up a long time ago.
 
2013-10-27 09:11:53 AM  

enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.



That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.
 
2013-10-27 09:19:49 AM  
Haven't been the theater in years.

/has kids
/$40 for a baby sitter, yeah our night out better be for a $150+ meal for two with drinks and sex in an uncomfortable Volkswagen's backseat.
 
2013-10-27 09:20:53 AM  

ThrillaManilla: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.


That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.


Back in the day (way before my day) movie theaters gave ticket holders dishes. And not the plastic crap you get at fast food places.
 
2013-10-27 09:21:00 AM  
When my wife and i go to the movies we go to like the 6:30 showing on a Tuesday.  Typically not very crowded unless its other working professionals with the same idea.

I don't mind all the pre-movie crap, but let's be starting the movie on time.  I want the return of ushers.  If they catch you with your phone out after the movie starts, you are outta here.
 
2013-10-27 09:21:03 AM  

ThrillaManilla: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

2) give me something free related to the movie as an added gift.  like a sticker sheet or a bookmark or a free mp3 download of some song off the soundtrack.  just something to help justify my $10 ticket, something i can take home with me afterwards.  maybe a little brochure of behind-the-scenes info about the movie or something.  maybe a coupon for $2 off the price of the dvd when it comes out, that would be a nice little bonus.


That's a good idea.  Hell, today's newspaper had two hotel-sized bottles of Vidal Sassoon and a coupon attached.


Unfortunately the theatres themselves would never use good money on giving the movie going public to take home. That would cut into their bottom line. It's very rare that you get a promotional item with your ticket. I can honestly only remember it happening once. (Then again I haven't been to a theatre since the last LOTR movie) It was a very old movie called Salsa. They gave both my mother & I a bottle of salsa when we got our ticket. Clever promotion but it honestly didn't improve ticket sales. The movie still bombed.
 
2013-10-27 09:22:24 AM  

enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3


Oh, I'm an idiot.

Never mind.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:20 AM  
Sometimes seeing a movie in the theater is the way to go. "Gravity" is worth seeing on the big screen. But otherwise I wouldn't miss going to the theaters. I mostly see matinee films for the cheap ticket and most people at a matinee show can behave. I don't buy concession food because it's just way overpriced. But I'd rather see all the movies at home.
 
2013-10-27 09:25:38 AM  

ThrillaManilla: The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.


No, I mean stagger times from one theater to another. Example - my daughter wants to see a movie after school. Two Cinemark theaters near me - both start kids' movies at 4, and the next showing will be around 7. But my daughter's school lets out at 3:45, which means 3:55-4:00 before she's actually getting in the car. So we either rush to the theater and miss the first 5-10 minutes of the film (even after commercials and trailers)... or we go to a late showing and completely screw up her bedtime... or we wait for a crowded and more expensive weekend showing.

They're losing potential customers from all the area elementary schools that way. Not every parent is going to take their kids on a weekend. And the theater owners are already spending the money on the staff and the showing during the week - why not start at 4:30 and sell another dozen tickets?
 
2013-10-27 09:28:43 AM  
Oh, and fark cinemas. Drive Ins are the way to go.
 
2013-10-27 09:32:11 AM  
"Subscription movie services and cheap rentals killed the DVD business, and now Sarandos wants to kill the cinema as well," Fithian said.

Oh shut up, you twat. You or someone very much like you said the same thing about DVD's, VHS, HBO, cable TV, and broadcast TV. Meanwhile we're getting billion dollar grossing movies pretty much every year now.

Is the movie industry changing? Sure, it's now all about home-run movies, and less ambitious-but-still-quality films are now relegated to independent status or just put on AMC. But don't give us this same old "Oh no what will we do" crap.
 
2013-10-27 09:36:28 AM  
Hmm, I have AMC and Cinemark with multiple IMAX 3D systems in Dallas. Why can't I go see the Metallica movie? farkers.
 
2013-10-27 09:37:17 AM  
Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?
 
2013-10-27 09:37:32 AM  
Consumer choice, how does it work?
 
2013-10-27 09:39:16 AM  

clkeagle: ThrillaManilla: The reason more theaters don't stagger showtimes is because they have a limited number of particular-sized screens to display a certain movie.  You're not gonna have a 7pm showing of the new Batman in the 535-seat BigD theater and then a 7:20pm showing of it in the shiatty 75-seater reserved for documentaries and long-running kids movies.  The people at the 7.20 would be pissed.
And, like many retailers/restaurants, most theaters don't open until about 11am... most movies are about 1:45 in length, plus 15 minutes for cleaning and seating, and you end up with everything dropping within 15-30 minutes of eachother.

No, I mean stagger times from one theater to another. Example - my daughter wants to see a movie after school. Two Cinemark theaters near me - both start kids' movies at 4, and the next showing will be around 7. But my daughter's school lets out at 3:45, which means 3:55-4:00 before she's actually getting in the car. So we either rush to the theater and miss the first 5-10 minutes of the film (even after commercials and trailers)... or we go to a late showing and completely screw up her bedtime... or we wait for a crowded and more expensive weekend showing.

They're losing potential customers from all the area elementary schools that way. Not every parent is going to take their kids on a weekend. And the theater owners are already spending the money on the staff and the showing during the week - why not start at 4:30 and sell another dozen tickets?


The amount of traffic from kids during the week is miniscule and that extra 25-30 minutes will offset later movies and make employees stay longer. Most kids see movies on the weekends when school doesn't really factor in.  The theater has to pander to their widest audience on a given night, most of whom want a start time that ends in an even number so they'll remember it better.
 
2013-10-27 09:40:37 AM  
Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

www.northernvirginiamag.com
 
2013-10-27 09:42:41 AM  
I love going to the movies.  I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.  

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be.  At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags.  Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

/The good thing about my local spot:  It is relatively new and the walls/ceilings do an excellent job of blocking phones (at least mine)
 
2013-10-27 09:43:43 AM  

BalugaJoe: I don't go to the movies because of other people talking and staring at their phones and chomping on nachos.


Exactly. other people are the reason i don't go. 

DVD's now come out less than 2 months after the movie does, THAT is killing the theater run window.

Oh, and make a movie people actually want to see instead of some "re-imagining" of a movie that was pretty good the first time they made it.
 
2013-10-27 09:50:26 AM  

tillerman35: Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?


Because at some point, someone is going to get sick enough of Hollywood MathTM and start a new studio. And that studio is going to produce blockbusters for $40,000,000 a piece instead of $250,000,000. District 9 proved it can be done. (Yes, I know United Artists was a token attempt at this. It was still located in Hollywood - so it solved nothing).

Or someone is going to come up with a common-sense approach to web streaming for the studios themselves - something that is affordable for consumers, yet still profitable because they cut out the middle distributors.
 
2013-10-27 09:50:30 AM  

clkeagle: Lackofname: Shiatty Hollywood remake treadmill + $20 for a popcorn and soda + down economy + home theater systems being cheaper = fewer ticket sales.

There's also the issue of theater scheduling. Around here (Des Moines burbs), there are two theaters within 10 minutes of me, and three more within 20. But they adamantly refuse to stagger movie start times between theaters - even the ones owned by the same company. There are times when I would love to take my daughter to a movie after school, but the start times for kids' films are something like 4:00 and 7:00. At every theater.

If I saw that every theater near me was starting a certain film at 4, why wouldn't I want to start mine at 4:30 or 4:45? If I own a chain in a metro, why wouldn't I want a fresh airing of the latest blockbuster starting every 15-30 minutes, instead of five simultaneous showings every three hours? Can any Farker shed light on this - is this a standard practice, or are the theater managers around here just idiots?


I did scheduling at a movie theater for years, and it's entirely based on staggering the shows and fitting as many showtimes in as possible. It's also helpful to have your movies start in hourly blocks so you have down time to clean up and restock. If the first movie is at 11:00AM, the first set will be from 11:00 to 12:00, then the next set will be 1:30 to 2:30, then 4:30 to 5:30, etc. It's all about maximizing showtimes. Also, different theaters never coordinate with each other, even within the same chain. There's just not enough time and resources in the day to go to that length. Typjcally we don't even get bookings until Tuesday night and have to get the schedule finalized within a 2 hour window. Half the time the schedule gets dictated by the corporate office anyways, so you may have it complete, but then the district manager just spits it back at you with revisions anyways.
 
2013-10-27 09:52:43 AM  
two words: Cheap Seats.

most of the second run theaters I've been to don't care if you bring in your own food, there's usually a good mix of indie and slightly off-peak mega block busters, and even more, I've never once had to ask someone to stop talking/put your phone away/don't put your feet on the back of my chair in a theater where I paid more than 6$ for a ticket.

Either that, or just give in to the fact that you're gonna have a big lush seat, teeth rattling audio and some Bieber look alike yakking away on a farking iPhone during the whole film during your 3p.m. showing of Texas Sex Party:The Bloodying.
 
2013-10-27 09:55:14 AM  

SauronWasFramed: I love going to the movies.  I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.  

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be.  At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags.  Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

/The good thing about my local spot:  It is relatively new and the walls/ceilings do an excellent job of blocking phones (at least mine)


...Sadly, this.  We have a bunch of nice theaters in our area - close by, always running good stuff, and good clean facilities staffed by people who can speak passable English.  But dear sweet mother of Jeebus, even if we hit the matinees the cost of the snacks runs a good $5-6 dollars past the cost of the damn tickets.  Then you get those moronic commercials that are so bad that the high point is the 'turn-your-phone-off" clip (have seen some funny ones).

I love going to the movies, because there's some stuff that just isn't going to look the same on a small screen.  But I think enough people feel like I do that Netflix might be on the right track.
 
2013-10-27 09:59:16 AM  
Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$

You re not killing it movie theater owner..

/Dont go often but each time counts on the buget...
 
2013-10-27 10:01:35 AM  

spman: I did scheduling at a movie theater for years, and it's entirely based on staggering the shows and fitting as many showtimes in as possible. It's also helpful to have your movies start in hourly blocks so you have down time to clean up and restock. If the first movie is at 11:00AM, the first set will be from 11:00 to 12:00, then the next set will be 1:30 to 2:30, then 4:30 to 5:30, etc. It's all about maximizing showtimes. Also, different theaters never coordinate with each other, even within the same chain. There's just not enough time and resources in the day to go to that length. Typjcally we don't even get bookings until Tuesday night and have to get the schedule finalized within a 2 hour window. Half the time the schedule gets dictated by the corporate office anyways, so you may have it complete, but then the district manager just spits it back at you with revisions anyways.


Thanks - I hadn't thought about the corporate micromanagement aspect. I'm guessing an individual theater manager has no recourse to his bosses, even if he knows that (sticking with the same example) his kids' movies showtimes are completely out of sync with the local school districts' schedules?
 
2013-10-27 10:08:43 AM  

enderthexenocide: Kyosuke: enderthexenocide: things that would make me go to the theater more often:

6. A farkin' intermission in the middle of that 3 hour movie.

i actually included that one.  see #3


That's a terrible idea. Piss before you go to the movies
 
2013-10-27 10:12:31 AM  

burning22001: Yeah.. 2 adults + 2 Kids, pop corn, nachos and 4 drinks.. 61$

You re not killing it movie theater owner..

/Dont go often but each time counts on the buget...


Why do you have to buy a bunch of overpriced food and drinks every time?
 
2013-10-27 10:17:19 AM  
Went and saw Captain Phillips yesterday and I was aggravated by the time the move started because we had to sit through 15-20 minutes of commercials. It didn't used to always be like this.

Bring back the stupid movie trivia stuff or the elevator music. Stop bombarding me with advertisements though. I can live with 15 minutes of movie trailers, that's fine. But the never-ending advertising has to stop, especially when I'm already paying $10 a ticket and another $10-15 for popcorn and drinks. If I'm already paying that much towards the movie industry and the local place, then the advertisements need to go.
 
2013-10-27 10:18:43 AM  

Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

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Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.
 
2013-10-27 10:20:26 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Tax Boy: Go Alamo or don't go to a movie theater

[www.northernvirginiamag.com image 550x365]

Heh, was coming to post that.

A little over two years ago I moved to Katy, Texas (subburb of Houston).  Like a 1/2 mile from the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema here.  I've seen more movies in the last two years in the theater then I had in the previous 10-15 years.

For those who aren't fortunate enough to live near a Drafthouse, their model is this:
All theaters have a 2' gap between rows with a bar/table in front of the seats + room for the servers to move around.  They serve good food (pizza, burgers, salads, salsa, dips, wraps, etc etc), as well as dozens of beer on tap, including a f'ing pantsload of local microbrews.  In addition to new movies they also show a couple old movies a week, plus television show premiers, concerts, documentaries, etc.

If I can avoid it, I will NEVER go to a non-Drafthouse theater ever again in my life.

Theaters, you want to increase your business?  Don't blame Netflix.  Blame your outdated business model.  Update it like places like Drafthouse has.

Went to see Ghostbusters at the Alamo last week.  Ghostbusters, a 20ish year old movie that's on tv constantly and you can buy it on dvd to watch at home.  And the theater was three quarters full.


And don't they also throw people out if they use a cell phone?
 
2013-10-27 10:25:16 AM  

clkeagle: And don't they also throw people out if they use a cell phone?


Yep.  Saw that happen once too (on a guy I complained about).

Also, some of their special events are farking awesome.

A few months back they had Joel Hodgson of MST3K fame providing live commentary for life career biography, Riffing Myself, followed by a meet and greet with him and then him, another MST3K writer, and two other comedian doing life riffing of Thunderball.

They showed "The Last Unicorn" with the writer there to provide commentary and to do a Q&A.  Same with Robert Rodriquez.
 
2013-10-27 10:25:58 AM  
SauronWasFramed [TotalFark]
2013-10-27 09:42:41 AM


I love going to the movies. I can even tolerate the rude people sitting in front of me.

And as a good capitalist that understands if I don't support my local theater, it will be closed and converted into a church, I do purchase the tub-of-coke ($7) and the tub of popcorn ($11) every time.

My complaint is that the tub of popcorn isn't what it used to be. At my local theater, the staff pop the stuff 3 days in advance and store it in garbage bags. Stale, cold, flavorless.

Sorry, between that and being forced to watch local commercials for 30 minutes, previews for another $15, I really can't say that it is what it is.

Throw in stinker movies (after earf) and you have a recipe for fail.

So overpriced bad quality food - you continue to buy
Rude attendees - not controlled by theater staff
and
Poor quality films - you continue to throw money at.

The problem isn't Netflix, it's customers like you. As long as you keep throwing $$ at people giving you shiat, you'll continue to receive shiat. Any capitalist should know this.
 
2013-10-27 10:31:08 AM  

clkeagle: Or someone is going to come up with a common-sense approach to web streaming for the studios themselves


LOL, oh wait you're serious.

We can't even stream Hdlite and low-res audio well in 2013.  '4k' with Dolby Atmos , 3d, and 48 fps ?
I doubt we will have capacity to stream that in 2050 (not that many folks would actually install Atmos in their HT.... but still).  Streaming at the order of 3 TB/hour?  LOLOLOLOL
 
2013-10-27 10:31:48 AM  

tillerman35: Not to butt into the theatre hate, but the dude in TFA has a point: the movie industry relies on high margin theatre releases to pay back the high cost of producing an A-level title.  Unless and until those margins drop, they have no reason to release a movie in any other manner.  Why would they?  Just to make viewers' lives easier and give the streaming services more profits (that the studios will never see)?


The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.
 
2013-10-27 10:41:30 AM  
He could just as well be attacking TV manufacturers for making the home viewing experience superior to the hassles in most theaters. When you have a 50" HD or better and you wait a bit, squeezing into a cramped seat in a dirty theater with a noisy audience seems like an extreme waste of money. Local library just gave me a day watching the summer's best (Iron Man 3, World War Z, and This Is The End) yesterday....for free. Obviously, this guy has a job to do, but whining about changing tech just makes him sound like a douche.
 
2013-10-27 10:42:09 AM  

nimawai: The way it's been proposed is that each new release would be set on a premium price point. It's been suggested at $30. I guess they're going on the nuclear family archetype. 2 parents & 2.5 kids per family. What this does is cut out the profits for the theatres & their gouging people on the concession stand profits. It's a myth that most theatres make their money from the movie itself. Where they make the real money is mostly on popcorn. I think it's some absurd percentage like a 1000% profit on popcorn alone.


Which is why places like the Amazon Drafthouse are f'ing brilliant and awesome.  I'm usually spending 30 bucks on food and beer.
 
2013-10-27 10:50:27 AM  
NO.
Hey movie theater THIEVES, take a hint from me: It shouldn't cost $50 or $40 or even $30 for a couple of people to go to a movie and get a popcorn and drink, a-holes.

The free market is sending you a message and that message is, "You suck!"
 
2013-10-27 10:50:37 AM  

dietbubba: I don't mind all the pre-movie crap, but let's be starting the movie on time


If the movie started on time, you might miss the 20 minutes of commercials they run before the show starts.

And if I have to watch 20 minutes of commercials, I want a free show.
 
2013-10-27 10:53:14 AM  
And oh yes, while I remember:
STOP the freaking half hour or more of commercials before the farking movie, a-holes!
 
2013-10-27 10:58:22 AM  

Leader O'Cola: We can't even stream Hdlite and low-res audio well in 2013.  '4k' with Dolby Atmos , 3d, and 48 fps ?
I doubt we will have capacity to stream that in 2050 (not that many folks would actually install Atmos in their HT.... but still).  Streaming at the order of 3 TB/hour?  LOLOLOLOL


You're correct, but so what?  The quality on Netflix is still good enough even if it isn't top-of-the-line.  I stopped going to the theater for all but the biggest blockbusters (and many times not even then) years ago, and cut my cable as well, in favor of Netflix and other sources on the internet, and honestly, I don't miss the theater or cable at all, even if the quality is supposedly downgraded.  The good completely outweighs the bad.  You probably don't agree, and that's fine.  I really believe that we're seeing the majority not care, though.
 
2013-10-27 11:00:07 AM  
Cinema is a vile, obsolete practice that NEEDS to die.

Chatty teenagers, disgusting concession food being sold at ridiculous prices, plus there's the added "creep factor" of knowing that every AMC ticket you buy is directly financially supporting the everlasting glory of the government in China, which meddles in the scripts of US movies (perfect example: Iron Man 3).

Stream/Blu ray your movies on a decent TV with a decent sound system, and you've cut out all the crap.


/Hasn't gone to a theater since 1999. Not missing it one bit.
 
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