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2013-10-26 07:07:17 PM
Yeah, last I checked, when the One Ring corrupts you, you don't actually turn into Sauron.

A literal Eye of Sauron doesn't work because the (physical) eye was a movie invention. This image makes Gandalf as Sauron.

/nerdy McNerd
//Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?
 
2013-10-26 07:42:48 PM
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took me about a minute.
 
2013-10-26 07:46:03 PM
AppleOptionEsc://Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?

Natural Hobbit resistance combined with not possessing it for a sufficient period of time combined with not actually wearing it most of the time.
 
2013-10-26 07:49:14 PM
Not even Sauron looked like Sauron most of the time. When he befriended the elves and learned the lore of ring-making, he appeared as a fair-haired elvish prince called Annatar, the Lord of Gifts,

When the men of Numenor captured him and took him back in chains, he appeared before their king Ar-Pharazon as a wise philosopher Tar-Mairon. He became the king's trusted advisor and corrupted him, convincing him to attack the lands of Aman (resulting in Akallabeth: The Downfall).

There are many ways to achieve power, and the ring doesn't always imbue darkness and evil. It simply accentuates and amplifies the native gifts of its wearer. Gandalf with the ring would have looked just like Gandalf the White, or perhaps even more brilliant and noble and just (which is part of the ruse). Galadriel even predicted what her rule with the ring would look like: "All shall love me and despair." For poor Smeagol, a halfling related to hobbits, the only race that doesn't desire power or conquest or wealth, it did what it could with him: Turned him into a sniveling little sneak thief. Because that's his nature.

The effort is appreciated, but the artist clearly has not read Tolkien's legendarium.
 
2013-10-26 07:54:09 PM

Ishkur: Not even Sauron looked like Sauron most of the time. When he befriended the elves and learned the lore of ring-making, he appeared as a fair-haired elvish prince called Annatar, the Lord of Gifts,

When the men of Numenor captured him and took him back in chains, he appeared before their king Ar-Pharazon as a wise philosopher Tar-Mairon. He became the king's trusted advisor and corrupted him, convincing him to attack the lands of Aman (resulting in Akallabeth: The Downfall).

There are many ways to achieve power, and the ring doesn't always imbue darkness and evil. It simply accentuates and amplifies the native gifts of its wearer. Gandalf with the ring would have looked just like Gandalf the White, or perhaps even more brilliant and noble and just (which is part of the ruse). Galadriel even predicted what her rule with the ring would look like: "All shall love me and despair." For poor Smeagol, a halfling related to hobbits, the only race that doesn't desire power or conquest or wealth, it did what it could with him: Turned him into a sniveling little sneak thief. Because that's his nature.

The effort is appreciated, but the artist clearly has not read Tolkien's legendarium.


Thanks.  You just inspired me to re-read the Silmarillion again.
 
2013-10-26 07:54:38 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Yeah, last I checked, when the One Ring corrupts you, you don't actually turn into Sauron.

A literal Eye of Sauron doesn't work because the (physical) eye was a movie invention. This image makes Gandalf as Sauron.

/nerdy McNerd
//Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?


Isn't that the pallenteir? Or however that crystal ball is spelled.
 
2013-10-26 07:55:20 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Yeah, last I checked, when the One Ring corrupts you, you don't actually turn into Sauron. A literal Eye of Sauron doesn't work because the (physical) eye was a movie invention. This image makes Gandalf as Sauron.


Galadriel seemed to think she would be perfectly capable of overthrowing Sauron with the power of the Ring, only to essentially be drawn in to become another dark queen. I would suspect that Gandalf would very much be subject to the same problem.

'No!' cried Gandalf, springing to his feet. 'With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still greater and more deadly.' His eyes flashed and his face was lit as by a fire within. 'Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused. The wish to wield it would be too great, for my strength. I shall have such need of it. Great perils lie before me.'
 
2013-10-26 07:59:49 PM

EvilEgg: AppleOptionEsc: Yeah, last I checked, when the One Ring corrupts you, you don't actually turn into Sauron.

A literal Eye of Sauron doesn't work because the (physical) eye was a movie invention. This image makes Gandalf as Sauron.

/nerdy McNerd
//Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?

Isn't that the pallenteir? Or however that crystal ball is spelled.


Check out the tip of his staff. That is the Eye. That was on top of a tower. So either Gandalf shrunk him or Gandalf is 5000 feet tall.
 
2013-10-26 08:06:05 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Check out the tip of his staff. That is the Eye. That was on top of a tower


That was the stupidest decision they made in the movie. Tolkien's work is so lush with imagery and metaphor, that when he spoke of the Eye of Sauron, he didn't literally mean an ACTUAL eye sitting on top of Barad-dur, lidless and flaming, looking at everyone. That was hokey.

That and the Americanized dialogue.
 
2013-10-26 08:16:06 PM
Gandalf would have been corrupted, but he would not have been under Sauron's control. He would have overthrown Sauron and replaced him. Galadriel probably would not have been able to do that, since she was not a Maiar like Gandalf, Sauron, the rest of the Wizards or even the Balrog were. They could have used the full might of the ring, though it would have made evil (or more so). The ring would have told her she could though and she could definitely use it more than humans or dwarves could. If a Valar has found it, it would have been a mere useless object as they were more powerful than the ring ever was. Some of the other beings in the LotR universe were also immune to the lure of the ring, such as Thom Bombadil, or Ungoliant (though the latter would have just eaten it) as they were not originally from Arda.

That's what I really don't like about Peter Jackson's version of LotR. It really cuts out the deeper meaning and reasoning behind the story. It contradicts the plot of Sauruman, whom Sauron would not have wanted to find the ring, at any cost. Same for the Balrog.
 
2013-10-26 08:21:06 PM
Paging Steven Colbert, Steven Colbert to the white courtesy phone.
 
2013-10-26 08:27:11 PM
What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?
 
2013-10-26 08:40:15 PM
I'm going to be the blue power ranger for Halloween.
 
2013-10-26 08:41:55 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Check out the tip of his staff. That is the Eye. That was on top of a tower. So either Gandalf shrunk him or Gandalf is 5000 feet tall.


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Thats one big  twinkie wizard.
 
2013-10-26 08:51:37 PM
Artist draws emo picture, throws in LOTR elements to get clicks
 
2013-10-26 08:54:11 PM

Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?


Having to cut it from the remains of his armor was not so easy, I think. Not that I think it was the brightest idea either, but his intent was to make it easier for him to recover his power after being defeated. Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before, he could simply access the ring after being defeated and come back in a relatively short amount of time. Also, as long as the ring existed, he could never truly be defeated. Even if Gandalf or another Maiar had the ring, he could plot in the shadows to somehow get it back. Which is why he gave the ring a sense of self preservation.
 
2013-10-26 09:01:49 PM

antnyjc: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

Having to cut it from the remains of his armor was not so easy, I think. Not that I think it was the brightest idea either, but his intent was to make it easier for him to recover his power after being defeated. Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before, he could simply access the ring after being defeated and come back in a relatively short amount of time. Also, as long as the ring existed, he could never truly be defeated. Even if Gandalf or another Maiar had the ring, he could plot in the shadows to somehow get it back. Which is why he gave the ring a sense of self preservation.


Not so easy?  All it took was a guy willing to take up his father's sword.  And given there was a war going on, that sort of person is a dime a dozen.  You might as well be the most allergic person in the world and decide to do battle on a peanut farm.
 
2013-10-26 09:06:31 PM

Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?


So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.

antnyjc: Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before


Sauron was never good at a stand up fight. In fact, every time he's come out to personally fight someone, he's lost every time. He much prefers to hang in the back and subtly influence things from behind the scenes, like a puppet master. He's a political mastermind, not a general.
 
2013-10-26 09:08:17 PM

Ishkur: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.

antnyjc: Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before

Sauron was never good at a stand up fight. In fact, every time he's come out to personally fight someone, he's lost every time. He much prefers to hang in the back and subtly influence things from behind the scenes, like a puppet master. He's a political mastermind, not a general.


So, like Scott Walker?
 
2013-10-26 09:08:50 PM

Ishkur: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.


Yeah, I remember the three, the five, and the nine.  And the one to bind them all.  But why use a ring on his end of it?  Why not just himself?
 
2013-10-26 09:13:30 PM
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Tolkien is so last age.
 
2013-10-26 09:32:09 PM
He didn't make the ring to provide himself a fallback. It actually was a drawback for that purpose, because if he lost it he lost access to the power within it. He didn't need the ring to come back after being defeated - as a being of spirit, he was already very difficult to actually destroy. He made the ring to exert control over the other rings, and because the elven rings and their bearers were powerful, he had to allow a large part of his native strength to pass into it. He simply didn't conceive that someone could defeat him and take it from him - he never thought he would lose it.

And yeah, the picture is technically well done, but does reflect a lack of understanding. With the One Ring, Gandalf would have *conquered* and replaced Sauron, not fallen under his sway. The artistic interpretation of Gandalf as 'Gandalf the Black' is I suppose alright, but there's no real reason he'd *have* to be dark. As Gandalf himself said when offered the ring, "Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good." He would not wish to appear as black, at least not at first. Even Sauron for a long time did not appear evil.
 
2013-10-26 10:02:32 PM

antnyjc: It contradicts the plot of Sauruman, whom Sauron would not have wanted to find the ring, at any cost.


That's my main gripe about the movies, Saruman being a slave to Sauron, instead of a treacherous ally.
 
2013-10-26 10:10:10 PM

AppleOptionEsc: Yeah, last I checked, when the One Ring corrupts you, you don't actually turn into Sauron.

A literal Eye of Sauron doesn't work because the (physical) eye was a movie invention. This image makes Gandalf as Sauron.

/nerdy McNerd
//Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?


Gollum wouldn't turn into a Ring Wraith for good reason. He never possessed a ring that would make him a servant of The One Ring and he was never pierced by a Morgul blade. Frodo on the other hand was turning into a Ring Wraith until the intervention of Elrond.
 
2013-10-26 10:38:32 PM

miniflea: AppleOptionEsc://Also, Gollum didn't turn into a Ring Wraith, why would Gandalf?

Natural Hobbit resistance combined with not possessing it for a sufficient period of time combined with not actually wearing it most of the time.


The ring gave Gollum unnaturally long life. He looked the way he did because he lived in a muddy pitch-black cave for centuries.
 
2013-10-26 10:48:21 PM

antnyjc: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

Having to cut it from the remains of his armor was not so easy, I think. Not that I think it was the brightest idea either, but his intent was to make it easier for him to recover his power after being defeated. Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before, he could simply access the ring after being defeated and come back in a relatively short amount of time. Also, as long as the ring existed, he could never truly be defeated. Even if Gandalf or another Maiar had the ring, he could plot in the shadows to somehow get it back. Which is why he gave the ring a sense of self preservation.


Sauron also attempted to steal the will of his enemies greatest kings, through the other rings he gifted, and he was partially successful.
 
2013-10-26 11:35:48 PM
If Gandalf has replaced Sauron, why is he not wearing the Ring?

It's unlikely that Gandalf would have been able to defeat Sauron and supplant the Dark Lord.  When the Valar were deciding which of the Maiar would be sent to Middle Earth in the guise of Wizards, Olorin/Gandalf initially declined, stating that he was afraid of Sauron.  He was barely able to defeat a Balrog (another embodied Maiar) even armed with Glamdring, which was the personal weapon of Turgon, King of Gondolin.

Gandalf the White, after Pippin had looked into the Orthanc palantir and met the gaze of Sauron, stated to Aragorn: "But at this time we have been strangely fortunate. Maybe, I have been saved by this hobbit from a grave blunder. I had considered whether or not to probe this Stone myself to find its uses. Had I done so, I should have been revealed to him myself. I am not ready for such a trial, if indeed I shall ever be so: But even if I found the power to withdraw myself, it would be disastrous for him to see me, yet - until the hour comes when secrecy will avail no longer."

And could the One Ring, which contained much of Sauron's personal power, somehow be turned against its creator and master?  Doubtful.

It's more likely that Gandalf would have fallen under Sauron's power, and become something akin to the Mouth of Sauron.  But then, what is that ring he's bearing on his necklace?  Surely it's not THE Ring.  Possibly, it's a symbol of his office, just as the tip of his staff resembles Barad-Dur.

/NERDS!
 
2013-10-26 11:38:24 PM
www.founditemclothing.com
 
2013-10-27 12:06:48 AM
Yeah, that was pathetic
 
2013-10-27 12:10:20 AM
For those saying that so and so would not have been able to use the Ring to supplant Sauron, well... Sauron himself doesn't seem to agree.  It is clearly stated that what he fears most is the ring being found by someone with the strength to wield it against him.  In fact, after Aragorn reveals himself, Sauron assumes that he has found the ring and this is why he moves against Minas Tirith sooner than planned.  After the battle of Pelennor Field, he leads a force against the Black Gate, and Sauron assumes that only possession of the ring would cause him to make such an arrogant move and again moves with all possible speed to crush Aragorn as soon as possible.

If Aragorn is capable of using the ring certainly Gandalf or Galadriel are too.
 
2013-10-27 02:14:16 AM

Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?


i79.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-27 06:02:24 AM

Cpl.D: Yeah, I remember the three, the five, and the nine. And the one to bind them all. But why use a ring on his end of it? Why not just himself?


Because the others would have certainly noticed that. He had to deceive them through the rings.

Sauron never does anything overtly. He always tries to lie, scheme, and cheat his way to power.
 
2013-10-27 06:10:26 AM

Parthenogenetic: If Gandalf has replaced Sauron, why is he not wearing the Ring?


Don't forget, Gandalf IS a ring-bearer. He has one of the three -- Narya, ring of fire. Cirdan gave it to him when he arrived in Middle Earth. Cirdan got it from... Gil-Galad, I think. Galadriel and Elrond have the other two.

/I am surprised that I still have all this useless knowledge in my head
 
2013-10-27 09:00:27 AM

AngryDragon: Ishkur: Not even Sauron looked like Sauron most of the time. When he befriended the elves and learned the lore of ring-making, he appeared as a fair-haired elvish prince called Annatar, the Lord of Gifts,

When the men of Numenor captured him and took him back in chains, he appeared before their king Ar-Pharazon as a wise philosopher Tar-Mairon. He became the king's trusted advisor and corrupted him, convincing him to attack the lands of Aman (resulting in Akallabeth: The Downfall).

There are many ways to achieve power, and the ring doesn't always imbue darkness and evil. It simply accentuates and amplifies the native gifts of its wearer. Gandalf with the ring would have looked just like Gandalf the White, or perhaps even more brilliant and noble and just (which is part of the ruse). Galadriel even predicted what her rule with the ring would look like: "All shall love me and despair." For poor Smeagol, a halfling related to hobbits, the only race that doesn't desire power or conquest or wealth, it did what it could with him: Turned him into a sniveling little sneak thief. Because that's his nature.

The effort is appreciated, but the artist clearly has not read Tolkien's legendarium.

Thanks.  You just inspired me to re-read the Silmarillion again.


You poor fool!
 
2013-10-27 09:07:31 AM

antnyjc: Gandalf would have been corrupted, but he would not have been under Sauron's control. He would have overthrown Sauron and replaced him. Galadriel probably would not have been able to do that, since she was not a Maiar like Gandalf, Sauron, the rest of the Wizards or even the Balrog were. They could have used the full might of the ring, though it would have made evil (or more so). The ring would have told her she could though and she could definitely use it more than humans or dwarves could. If a Valar has found it, it would have been a mere useless object as they were more powerful than the ring ever was. Some of the other beings in the LotR universe were also immune to the lure of the ring, such as Thom Bombadil, or Ungoliant (though the latter would have just eaten it) as they were not originally from Arda.

That's what I really don't like about Peter Jackson's version of LotR. It really cuts out the deeper meaning and reasoning behind the story. It contradicts the plot of Sauruman, whom Sauron would not have wanted to find the ring, at any cost. Same for the Balrog.


Because if there's one thing the LotR movies needed to be, was longer, with a lot of background exposition.
 
2013-10-27 11:00:43 AM

Parthenogenetic: If Gandalf has replaced Sauron, why is he not wearing the Ring?

It's unlikely that Gandalf would have been able to defeat Sauron and supplant the Dark Lord.  When the Valar were deciding which of the Maiar would be sent to Middle Earth in the guise of Wizards, Olorin/Gandalf initially declined, stating that he was afraid of Sauron.  He was barely able to defeat a Balrog (another embodied Maiar) even armed with Glamdring, which was the personal weapon of Turgon, King of Gondolin.

Gandalf the White, after Pippin had looked into the Orthanc palantir and met the gaze of Sauron, stated to Aragorn: "But at this time we have been strangely fortunate. Maybe, I have been saved by this hobbit from a grave blunder. I had considered whether or not to probe this Stone myself to find its uses. Had I done so, I should have been revealed to him myself. I am not ready for such a trial, if indeed I shall ever be so: But even if I found the power to withdraw myself, it would be disastrous for him to see me, yet - until the hour comes when secrecy will avail no longer."

And could the One Ring, which contained much of Sauron's personal power, somehow be turned against its creator and master?  Doubtful.

It's more likely that Gandalf would have fallen under Sauron's power, and become something akin to the Mouth of Sauron.  But then, what is that ring he's bearing on his necklace?  Surely it's not THE Ring.  Possibly, it's a symbol of his office, just as the tip of his staff resembles Barad-Dur.

/NERDS!


It could be the elven ring given to him by the oldest elf, cirdan.
 
2013-10-27 11:13:07 AM

miniflea: For those saying that so and so would not have been able to use the Ring to supplant Sauron, well... Sauron himself doesn't seem to agree.  It is clearly stated that what he fears most is the ring being found by someone with the strength to wield it against him.  In fact, after Aragorn reveals himself, Sauron assumes that he has found the ring and this is why he moves against Minas Tirith sooner than planned.  After the battle of Pelennor Field, he leads a force against the Black Gate, and Sauron assumes that only possession of the ring would cause him to make such an arrogant move and again moves with all possible speed to crush Aragorn as soon as possible.

If Aragorn is capable of using the ring certainly Gandalf or Galadriel are too.


Maybe Sauron himself is as paranoid as a junkie concerning his own ring, and corrupted by it as my gym sock has corrupted me.
 
2013-10-27 04:31:30 PM

Ishkur: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.

antnyjc: Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before

Sauron was never good at a stand up fight. In fact, every time he's come out to personally fight someone, he's lost every time. He much prefers to hang in the back and subtly influence things from behind the scenes, like a puppet master. He's a political mastermind, not a general.


That's not really fair, though. Everyone Sauron went up against 1v1 was a major badass in his own right. Finrod (who Sauron beat, by the way), Huan, and finally Elendil, Gil-galad, Elrond, Cirdan, and Isildur together.
 
2013-10-27 06:14:25 PM

Cpl.D: Ishkur: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.

Yeah, I remember the three, the five, and the nine.  And the one to bind them all.  But why use a ring on his end of it?  Why not just himself?


Because that's not how it works.
 
2013-10-27 07:38:56 PM
Artist uses imagination to come up with a different look on a familiar character

Fans recite facts from source material to explain why picture is wrong

J.R.R. Tolkien is (still) dead
 
2013-10-28 01:04:32 AM

Tryfan: Ishkur: Cpl.D: What kind of idiot magician puts the bulk of his power in an item easily stolen or lost?

So he could use it to steal and control the power of others who held similar items that were bound to his.

antnyjc: Seeing as he had been vanquished quite a few times before

Sauron was never good at a stand up fight. In fact, every time he's come out to personally fight someone, he's lost every time. He much prefers to hang in the back and subtly influence things from behind the scenes, like a puppet master. He's a political mastermind, not a general.

That's not really fair, though. Everyone Sauron went up against 1v1 was a major badass in his own right. Finrod (who Sauron beat, by the way), Huan, and finally Elendil, Gil-galad, Elrond, Cirdan, and Isildur together.


Good call. Sauron was pretty mighty, he was just a George Foreman long lived enough to take on multiple Ali's.
 
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