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2013-10-26 07:07:10 PM
We're just going to kill more kids

You're not killing them, that's all Darwin, baby.
 
2013-10-26 07:07:32 PM
Doc prescribed me some for a tooth infection, weed worked without making me sick. Oh well.
 
2013-10-26 07:07:37 PM
Um, people will do the same damn thing with less liver failure from all the acetaminophen? And the people that use it legitimately that DON'T need the extra acetaminophen get it?
 
2013-10-26 07:08:12 PM
And I can't write sentences.
 
2013-10-26 07:08:43 PM
Necessary for dealing with Obamacare.
 
2013-10-26 07:09:42 PM
According the Wikipedia:
"International Narcotics Control Board reports that 99% of worldwide supply in 2007 was consumed in the United States "

That's some vested interest you have there USA!
 
2013-10-26 07:10:32 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-26 07:11:14 PM
That's the least of our problems, they've made little to no headway in banning potentially deadly Dihydrogen Monoxide from use in our hospitals and pharmacies.
 
2013-10-26 07:15:21 PM
Meh. Hydrocodone is codeine. Countries with saner drug laws sell it OTC.

30mg oxycodone pills, otherwise known as blues, have been available forever. Mix up 2-4 of them depending on body mass and inject. Now that's a rush.

Add some good coke to the syringe for even more fun.
 
2013-10-26 07:15:50 PM
Stuff that made me constipated more powerful? No thanks.
 
2013-10-26 07:17:58 PM
Remember, if you've got pain, you must suffer it. It's God's will that you suffer, because He loves you. No you can't have something to relieve your pain, because it's going against God's will...

...or something like that.
 
2013-10-26 07:18:01 PM
"We're just going to kill more kids and then the FDA is going to come back and say, 'oh, we made a mistake,'"

And a beautiful young lady I knew years ago killed herself with a bottle of farking tylenol.  Killing your liver that way is not a fun way to go.  Not fun at all.

This idiot needs a cockpunch.  I am actually sitting here livid and fuming.

--
BMO
 
2013-10-26 07:19:01 PM
But, but, but... the pills will look like CANDY which means the children will seek them out to eat them, because CANDY!!!
 
2013-10-26 07:20:01 PM

Nidiot: Remember, if you've got pain, you must suffer it. It's God's will that you suffer, because He loves you. No you can't have something to relieve your pain, because it's going against God's will...

...or something like that.


This.  Your god wants you to suffer in pain and possibly die.  Because He loves you.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.
 
2013-10-26 07:22:46 PM

Xanlexian: But, but, but... the pills will look like CANDY which means the children will seek them out to eat them, because CANDY!!!


Hm. They should try heroin. Heroin doesn't look like heroin at all like candy.

But then you're addicted to heroin. So there's that.
 
2013-10-26 07:23:16 PM
Just as I am conferred the right to inattentively pilot a multi-thousand pound missile at high speeds through almost any populated area, or own and operate defensive weapons that may just as easily be made offensive inadvertantly or otherwise, we should all have the ability to access the best tool we adjudge necessary to our purposes, even, horrifyingly, should it be a Ddddrrrruuuuuggggg!!!
 
2013-10-26 07:23:23 PM
Also, heroin is so passé.
 
2013-10-26 07:24:11 PM
Not a moment to soon in my case. I take morphine everyday for chronic pain due to a workplace accident. I use Percocet for breakthrough pain. Right now I take two at a time of the strongest, 10/325, and they don't have any effect on me, not even filling the pain any longer.

/chronic pain is a biatch
// what's it like to not feel pain. I seriously don't remember.
 
2013-10-26 07:27:04 PM

troggy: Meh. Hydrocodone is codeine


It's close, but it's not exactly the same.  IIRC, hydrocodone is actually a bit stronger.

Here's the real danger - and also an example of how so many doctors are idiots:

"FDA not only approves this dangerous drug, but does so without requiring any abuse-deterrent features...."

Do they mean the fact that it's typically combined with lots of acetaminophen?  That's supposed to be an "abuse-deterrent"?

You've got several types of people who will abuse something like Vicodin:

1:  Those who have no idea what acetaminophen is or that it can destroy their liver.
2:  Those who know, but do not give a shiat.
3:  Those who know and will use cold water extraction to separate the acetaminophen out of it.

In fact, combining hydrocodone with acetaminophen probably does more damage than providing it alone will.
 
2013-10-26 07:27:30 PM
Really I don't give a rat's arse how many people wreck their lives abusing pain meds, as long as it means the people who actually need the stuff can get it. It makes no sense at all to keep some people living in agony just because of a worry that someone else might abuse a drug. We don't ban all cars because some people are dickheads and cause accidents that kill people. Why do we have to ban drugs because some people are dickheads and abuse a drug meant to help people?
 
2013-10-26 07:27:39 PM

megarian: Heroin doesn't look like heroin at all like candy.


Go home megarian. You're drunk.
 
2013-10-26 07:28:08 PM
This Vicodine goes up to eleven...
 
2013-10-26 07:28:34 PM
Oh good, a new drug for some of my drug-seeking "emergency" patients to ask for.
 
2013-10-26 07:28:53 PM
If you think your life is shiatty,

remember the people that face chronic pain so persistent and intense they wax and wane between unbearable misery and crippling drug addiction with no visible way out but death.

These people commit suicide every year as an escape and it's one of the greatest tragedies in medical science that we do not have a better solution available.
 
2013-10-26 07:30:01 PM

bubo_sibiricus: I am actually sitting here livid and fuming.


I think they make a pill for that.
 
2013-10-26 07:30:59 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

grow your own!

and 'Zohydro'? it's designed to be a perfect street name. i've heard the way the junkie neighbors talk about 'hydros' - they'll flip for Zohydros.
 
2013-10-26 07:31:23 PM

Nidiot: Remember, if you've got pain, you must suffer it. It's God's will that you suffer, because He loves you. No you can't have something to relieve your pain, because it's going against God's will...

...or something like that.


fark you.

My ex-wife nearly killed herself with prescription narcotics.  3 years of doctors happily prescribing her more and more to "treat her unspecified pain syndrome".  That shiat destroyed my entire family, made our lives hell, cost us tens of thousands of dollars, and nearly ruined my career.

These things should only be made available in the MOST exigent circumstances.  When doctors learn to treat the cause and not the symptom I will change my mind.
 
2013-10-26 07:31:46 PM

Xanlexian: Nidiot: Remember, if you've got pain, you must suffer it. It's God's will that you suffer, because He loves you. No you can't have something to relieve your pain, because it's going against God's will...

...or something like that.

This.  Your god wants you to suffer in pain and possibly die.  Because He loves you.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.


Oh please, would you stop with that line of rhetoric?  This isn't about religion or conservatives or Republicans who think that you should not be allowed access to drugs.  Some atheists, liberals and Democrats can be just as bad when it comes to the war on (some) drugs.

Don't paint with such a broad brush.  You're likely to splash paint on yourself.
 
2013-10-26 07:31:58 PM

troggy: Meh. Hydrocodone is codeine


Except that it has a different effect in the body. For one, the half-life of codeine is half that of hydrocodone.
 
2013-10-26 07:32:05 PM
Glad it wasn't around back when I had surgery, or I'd probably be dead. It's hard to keep track of time / doses when your farked up on pain meds and sleeping %60 of the time.
 
2013-10-26 07:32:14 PM
Somebody in Washington got their palms greased by drug companies again. They are no better than the dope dealer on the corner.
 
2013-10-26 07:32:31 PM

Urmuf Hamer: Just as I am conferred the right to inattentively pilot a multi-thousand pound missile at high speeds through almost any populated area, or own and operate defensive weapons that may just as easily be made offensive inadvertantly or otherwise, we should all have the ability to access the best tool we adjudge necessary to our purposes, even, horrifyingly, should it be a Ddddrrrruuuuuggggg!!!


It's all fun and games until someone is shot and killed by a pill.
 
2013-10-26 07:32:48 PM

gfid: In fact, combining hydrocodone with acetaminophen probably does more damage than providing it alone will.


This is the reason why I won't take Vicodin or anything else loaded up with acetaminophen like that if I can help it.  I'll ask for anything else.  I'll even just say "farkit" and endure the pain.  By the time I can't take the pain, I'm in the hospital anyway and they have far better drugs there.
 
2013-10-26 07:33:02 PM

gfid: "FDA not only approves this dangerous drug, but does so without requiring any abuse-deterrent features...."

Do they mean the fact that it's typically combined with lots of acetaminophen? That's supposed to be an "abuse-deterrent"?


That's exactly what they mean. The only acceptable way to package a potential drug of abuse is to lace it with poison. It's 15th century Puritan values affecting 21st century laws. And it's farking evil.

Legalize. It. All.
 
2013-10-26 07:33:13 PM

troggy: megarian: Heroin doesn't look like heroin at all like candy.

Go home megarian. You're drunk.


No. On heroin.

Oh. OH! Okay, yeah I'll just see myself out then. *waves*
 
2013-10-26 07:33:16 PM
Don't approve something that might help people! Because if doctors start prescribing it, some of the people who need it might get addicted!

I was prescribed hydrocodone after an accident two years ago, and yeah, I had a hell of a lot of fun while taking it. But I still have some of the unused stuff in my medicine cabinet, so I guess I didn't have THAT much fun with it. (It doesn't mix we'll with booze, and I like my evening beer or Manhattan too much to want to pop a pill just for the buzz.)

I didn't get hooked, others did. Should someone who needs a strong medication be prevented from getting it because there's a potential they will get hooked? I'd invite anyone who says yes to experience the joy of a physical trauma and see if that changes their minds.
 
2013-10-26 07:33:45 PM

MurphyMurphy: If you think your life is shiatty,

remember the people that face chronic pain so persistent and intense they wax and wane between unbearable misery and crippling drug addiction with no visible way out but death.

These people commit suicide every year as an escape and it's one of the greatest tragedies in medical science that we do not have a better solution available.


Well we could legalize weed, that'd help out a bit.
 
2013-10-26 07:33:49 PM
I am dealing with both cervical and lumbar spine injury due to a car wreck and since the docs are so paranoid, I could only get Norco 10 (hydrocodone)/325 (acetaminophen). I take only two a day, but worry about the long term effects since yes, I do drink in the evenings sometimes. Docs can prescribe Percodan (which is Oxycodone + plain old aspirin) but hate to do so since it requires a triplicate prescription form (at least here in the good old USA)...

So my docs are basically telling me "we know you drink sometimes while taking 650mg of Tylenol a day but fark you cause we don't like the extra paperwork"

I need a new pain management doctor.
 
2013-10-26 07:34:43 PM

the801: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 264x319]

grow your own!

and 'Zohydro'? it's designed to be a perfect street name. i've heard the way the junkie neighbors talk about 'hydros' - they'll flip for Zohydros.


Or Zohydrox:

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2013-10-26 07:35:23 PM
UsikFark: the half-life of codeine is half that of hydrocodone.

In other words hydrocodone is even less addictive.
 
2013-10-26 07:35:36 PM
Been taking hydrocodone; Lortab; Vicodin for more than 20 years.  Psoriatic Arthritis.  Last year, I believe, my doctor changed the script from 5/500 to 5/325 per tab.

/had emergency appendectomy surgery earlier this summer.  Percocet was the only thing to kill the surgical pain.
 
2013-10-26 07:35:42 PM
As a hospice nurse I am THRILLED that they will FINALLY have hydrocodone without acetaminophen. I have had many patients for whom hydrocodone worked perfectly for their pain, but as their disease progressed, they needed more than the acetaminophen would allow, making us have to switch to morphine, hydromorphone, or oxycodone. It will be lovely to be able to keep them with what works for them and also titrate the dosage to match their increasing pain.
 
2013-10-26 07:36:41 PM

duffblue: Doc prescribed me some for a tooth infection, weed worked without making me sick. Oh well.


We get it, stoner, you want to get high.  If the government says that weed has no medicinal value, then weed obviously has no medicinal value and you're a dirty hippie liar.  Just take the government approved medicine and be happy with it.
 
2013-10-26 07:37:20 PM

megarian: Also, heroin is so passé.


alicebodkin.files.wordpress.com

Heroin. Not even once.
 
2013-10-26 07:37:55 PM
Wonder what the street value of this will be...  Anyone?
 
2013-10-26 07:39:43 PM
I live on Nucynta for the chronic pain from my lupus. Love it. Does wonders. Except for tonight because I have been flaring for the last two weeks.

/seriously debating an ER visit...
 
2013-10-26 07:41:11 PM

fusillade762: We're just going to kill more kids

You're not killing them, that's all Darwin, baby.


Idiots still think there is "stopping" kids from killing themselves. What total fools.
 
2013-10-26 07:41:28 PM
Wussies. Try methadone.

actually don't. cancer patients and heroin addicts need it
 
2013-10-26 07:43:11 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Wonder what the street value of this will be...  Anyone?


Heroin itself is probably more available, and it's not too expensive.  6 bucks a hit or something like that for smack.  Vicodins I think are $5/pill last I checked.

The joys of working in South Providence near the Discovery House.
 
2013-10-26 07:43:31 PM

MurphyMurphy: If you think your life is shiatty,

remember the people that face chronic pain so persistent and intense they wax and wane between unbearable misery and crippling drug addiction with no visible way out but death.

These people commit suicide every year as an escape and it's one of the greatest tragedies in medical science that we do not have a better solution available.


I'm sure we could currently medicate these people with better drugs so they wouldn't have to suffer from pain. It's true they would be on drugs for the rest of their lives but then so are diabetics, so while not ideal it's not the worst thing ever either. But for some reason there is an intense and absurd obsession with keeping people from any drug that might possibly lead to any feeling of happiness. - Did that drug make you feel good? Yes? Well in that case, you definitely can't have that one.

Maybe if we could find a cure for the obsession with keeping everyone in misery, we could get on with helping people live better lives.
 
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