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(The New York Times)   Roma parents fear that, in the wake of the "blond angel" case in Greece, they may have their kids taken away because people don't realize that, yes, Roma people can have blond hair   (nytimes.com) divider line 185
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2013-10-26 08:07:12 PM
www.sabotagetimes.com
 
2013-10-26 08:07:48 PM
You know who else didn't like the Roma?
 
2013-10-26 08:09:05 PM
You were supposed to buy a caravan, not a blond kid.
 
2013-10-26 08:10:39 PM
That one chick looks like Kvothe
 
2013-10-26 08:10:58 PM
No biggie. The Roma parents can always steal another kid.
 
2013-10-26 08:11:02 PM
Paging, Irony. Irony, white courtesy phone, please.
 
2013-10-26 08:13:27 PM
My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?
 
2013-10-26 08:13:31 PM

Anayalator: [www.sabotagetimes.com image 500x212]


Well played sir.
 
2013-10-26 08:15:01 PM

SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?


French people.
turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com

And the English.
www.eadt.co.uk
 
2013-10-26 08:16:08 PM

Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?


My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.
 
2013-10-26 08:18:12 PM
The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.
 
2013-10-26 08:19:04 PM
People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.
 
2013-10-26 08:19:10 PM

Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?


Reminds me of the Criminal Minds episode.
 
2013-10-26 08:21:39 PM
I don't know about all this. I do know I love their tomatoes though.
 
2013-10-26 08:22:06 PM

namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.


I've told my son that we bought him from the gypsies.  I've also told him we still had the receipt and would sell him back if he didn't act better.
 
2013-10-26 08:22:59 PM

skinink: No biggie. The Roma parents can always steal another kid.


Sure...as long as the kid is dark eyed and haired. You start showing up with blond haired, blue eyed waifs and people notice. Because...ya know...pretty blond females are important.
 
2013-10-26 08:23:37 PM
D'ye like dahgs?

www.borbay.com
 
2013-10-26 08:23:43 PM
I didn't read TFA because I've heard enough about both the case in Greece and another in Ireland, but apparently there's more to both stories than someone thinking that Roma people don't have blonde kids.  And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

I actually don't understand why so many Roma haven't just integrated and become non-descript Europeans.  They don't really look different, so I guess it's a cultural thing.

If you're going to adopt a child, do it legally and make sure you have proper documentation.  These seem like cases of someone wanting a child just so they could collect money from the government.
 
2013-10-26 08:24:11 PM

Anderson's Pooper: namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.

I've told my son that we bought him from the gypsies.  I've also told him we still had the receipt and would sell him back if he didn't act better.


My mother said that I never should
Play with the gypsies in the wood
 
2013-10-26 08:27:21 PM

HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.


What twins might look like.
www.hoax-slayer.com
Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features
 
2013-10-26 08:27:27 PM
I know a young woman with brown hair who started off as a wee blond tyke.
 
2013-10-26 08:27:47 PM
Day old news is fun.

Today's is that the Bulgarian actual mother of the child involved has confirmed that she gave over the baby to the new parents to raise willingly because she couldn't take care of her.
 
2013-10-26 08:29:15 PM

Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?



About 20 years ago while discussing a recent child abduction with a neighbor who was in her 80s at the time, I asked her if those sort of things happened back in the day.

She said yes, but it was assumed that the kid had been taken by gypsies and not some local pedo who would only use and dispose of him or her in an afternoon.

Wishful thinking probably.
 
2013-10-26 08:30:08 PM

gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.


They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,
 
2013-10-26 08:30:24 PM

SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?


Adam Smith.
 
2013-10-26 08:30:48 PM
lada gaga saw it coming...

roma...ro ma ma.
 
2013-10-26 08:30:51 PM
img692.imageshack.us

Well, on thing is for sure:  these people need bath lessons.
 
2013-10-26 08:31:23 PM
My hair was blond until about age 6, then turned dark brown. OMG my mom has some explaining to do.
 
2013-10-26 08:31:26 PM
perhaps they could, as a people, stop stealing babies to drink their blood

they we wouldnt immediately suspect them when babies disappear near their heathen witchgrounds
 
2013-10-26 08:32:32 PM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


There is a city called  Tuam  where a lot of the Travelers have houses that they only use once a year when they get together for big weddings, drinking, and rioting.


More than 200 members of the Ward clan and an equal number of the McDonagh and Sweeney clans gathered in Tuam yesterday after one side challenged the other to a street fight.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/feuding-travellers-agree-to-ce s sa tion-26173727.html
 
2013-10-26 08:32:37 PM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


tinkers are better at boxing than gyppos, but they are jealous of gyppo skill with switchblades
 
2013-10-26 08:34:00 PM

12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,


Yeah, their suspicion is seems to be that a blond-haired blue-eyed baby is obviously too valuable a commodity to have been acquired by a dark Roma family from its mother to be raised for its own sake. We all know how much money appears in a family's finances because of the raising of a child.
 
2013-10-26 08:35:34 PM

jamspoon: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

What twins might look like.
[www.hoax-slayer.com image 383x250]
Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features


It's less fantastic when you consider the back story of the photo you posted: The information in the email is true and the photographs are genuine. The photographs depict fair-skinned Remee and dark-skinned Kian who were born in April 2005. The fraternal twins were born to parents Kylie Hodgson and Remi Horder from Nottingham, England. Both Kylie and Remi are of mixed race, with black fathers and white mothers.

It's extremely rare for two people with dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin to produce a child who is a completely unrelated phenotype. If I have a baby with a woman who is also Scots/Irish and the child grows up looking pure Chinese, people will have some serious questions for us when we're out and about. You see genes are actually fairly predictable. Science works, biatches.
 
2013-10-26 08:36:31 PM
I was only seventeen
I fell in love with a gypsy queen
She told me, "Hold on"
Her father was the leading man
Said, "You're not welcome on our land"
And then as a foe, he told me to go...
 
2013-10-26 08:37:59 PM
This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.
 
2013-10-26 08:38:40 PM
I never met a Roma I did not like.

And I always counted all my fingers and toes afterward.
 
2013-10-26 08:42:27 PM

jamspoon: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

What twins might look like.
[www.hoax-slayer.com image 383x250]
Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features


Actually, I was in line to get food one day and a woman was being obnoxious to another woman about her two children who only had very different hair colors. It wasn't clear what she suspected, or why it would bother her if the children had different fathers or were adopted or it was just genetic randomness.
 
2013-10-26 08:43:04 PM

HotWingAgenda: It's extremely rare for two people with dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin to produce a child who is a completely unrelated phenotype


Actually it's not.  Virtually all the babies in my family are born with blonde hair and blue eyes, and sometimes it never goes away.  But most of the time we end up giant hairy swarthy brutes with brown/auburn hair and green or brown eyes.  And sometimes you won't know until you turn 10 years or more.  My son in law is positively ape-like, and my one year old grandson is still blonde and blue eyed.

So your mileage may vary.
 
2013-10-26 08:45:18 PM
Romas are the one group we are all supposed to hate, who do we hate now?
 
2013-10-26 08:46:14 PM

HempHead: And the English.


Blimey, that's one fantasy shattered :(

www.productsofanidlemind.com
 
2013-10-26 08:46:31 PM

jamspoon: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

What twins might look like.
[www.hoax-slayer.com image 383x250]
Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features


One of my friends father is white and his mother is Filipino. Now he is blond haired, has blue eyes and white skin, but his two brothers and his sister look like your typical Filipino as far as skin, eye and hair color go. The only way that you can tell that he is related to all of them, at least his brothers, is that him and his brothers are the spitting image of their father in the face.
 
2013-10-26 08:46:49 PM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


The Roma or Romani have not much of a connection to the country Romania, except some Roma live there. The Roma seem to have originated in India, and just migrated west.
 
2013-10-26 08:47:34 PM

ReverendJynxed: You were supposed to buy a caravan, not a blond kid.


It's fer me ma
 
2013-10-26 08:47:59 PM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


Hint: Roma means "men" in the Romani language, which is spoken by the Romani people, otherwise known as the Gypsies or Tziganes. Although many Romas live in Romania, they are not the Romanian people. Romas can be found in big numbers everywhere in the European continent. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that the name of this ethnic group is similar to the name of a country in Eastern Europe.

/also the capitol of Italy
 
2013-10-26 08:48:44 PM

HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.


Both my parents were dark haired but I was blonde as can be until my teens when it darkened out.  This is just an excuse for the European Right to get some Roma hate going.
 
2013-10-26 08:50:07 PM
We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!
 
2013-10-26 08:51:36 PM

SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?


everyone????

And let's stop referring to them as 'people'. That's an insult to the rest of humanity.
 
2013-10-26 08:52:26 PM

super_grass: Romas are the one group we are all supposed to hate, who do we hate now?


The Jews.

Oh wait...
 
2013-10-26 08:55:31 PM
Why the fark are they dying and bleaching infants hair?
 
2013-10-26 08:55:56 PM
... but every night all the men would come around ... and lay their money down
 
2013-10-26 08:55:59 PM
And I hope they're right. No child should have to grow up as a gypsie.
 
2013-10-26 08:57:00 PM
Yes, but the blond-haired gypsies are probably just the offspring of other stolen blond-haired kids!

/couldn't resist
 
2013-10-26 08:58:59 PM

DarkLancelot: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

Both my parents were dark haired but I was blonde as can be until my teens when it darkened out.  This is just an excuse for the European Right to get some Roma hate going.


Happened with both my brother and sister- their hair was really pale blonde until about age 10, when it started turning into various shades of brown. My brother hovered around red for a little bit, and we were kinda hoping for that, but no dice. He got the Irish side more than my sister or I, so it would have fit.

Mine went from a lighter brown to a nearly black brown, so a less dramatic change.

Long story short, lots of people start with lighter hair then they wind up with.
 
2013-10-26 09:01:25 PM

simplicimus: Kygz:


traylor: Kygz:


Yep, you're both right as rain, and I knew that.  I don't know why I type it that way.  Maybe because my girlfriend's cousin is Romanian and was adopted by an Irish family as a baby and feels the twing of being obviously brownish in the western counties of Ireland.
 
2013-10-26 09:02:35 PM
They'll steal anything, even genes.
 
2013-10-26 09:04:02 PM

LemSkroob: SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?

everyone????

And let's stop referring to them as 'people'. That's an insult to the rest of humanity.


Oh right, it's not an international news thread until the elegant pinnacle of civilized thought, LemSkroob, has shown up to call some ethnic group "savages" and such. Fark off, dude, your shiat is tired.
 
2013-10-26 09:05:26 PM
My Mom grew up near the Canadian border in WA. Apparently, this group got naked & blocked roads protesting. Her Grandma always said they'd steal her away. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/m/article.cfm?params=A1&id=A000 2376
 
2013-10-26 09:05:40 PM

ReverendJynxed: I was only seventeen
I fell in love with a gypsy queen
She told me, "Hold on"
Her father was the leading man
Said, "You're not welcome on our land"
And then as a foe, he told me to go...


Gypsy Queen, eh?
I though you would prefer easy livin'
 
2013-10-26 09:08:05 PM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


One of my friends worked security at Planet Hollywood in Chicago back in 96. He said their biggest problem were Gypsies coming in and using fake $50 bills to pay for a $10 meal.
 
2013-10-26 09:11:14 PM
The chicks in the picture look like they smell really bad. Just imagime the huge orange bush on that ginger.
 
2013-10-26 09:12:08 PM

Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.


Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-26 09:12:37 PM

namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.


Are you my little sister? I told her that all the time growing up.
 
2013-10-26 09:13:16 PM

Anderson's Pooper: namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.

I've told my son that we bought him from the gypsies.  I've also told him we still had the receipt and would sell him back if he didn't act better.


Raised by wolves is our go to.  I've also told him my mother in law and his aunt were born with vastigial tails and had them cut off.
 
2013-10-26 09:17:42 PM

jamspoon: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

What twins might look like.
[www.hoax-slayer.com image 383x250]
Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features


So true.  My father was black, mother white.  I have features/hair of a black person but white skin.  I was told I was full of shiat for years.   Mind you in the day, people used to think that brown eyes always trumped blue.
 
2013-10-26 09:22:13 PM
The whole, 'I can't afford a child, here random lady, you take her,' thing reminds me of the tragic case of Sylvia Likens from the 60s. Sylvia and her sister were "farmed out" due to poverty, and the foster parent abused her, starved her, and orchestrated her own and the neighborhood children into torturing her to death.
Only this Roma girl is alive and no one is saying she was tortured.
By the way I think the vivid red hair we are seeing in these pictures of Roma children is the result of henna dye. Henna is a plant-based dye that is believed to have protective powers. It is also not nearly as stinky and gross as synthetic hair dye; it can also strengthen the hair follicle. Maybe they caregivers are not trying to conceal the children. Red isn't exactly camouflage, is it?
There are a lot of assumptions flying around about these 'poor little blonde girls.' I would rather we talk about systematic disenfranchisement of the Roma, educational failings, and rural poverty. That conversation could actually help a lot more children.
 
2013-10-26 09:22:49 PM

Primitive Screwhead: ReverendJynxed: I was only seventeen
I fell in love with a gypsy queen
She told me, "Hold on"
Her father was the leading man
Said, "You're not welcome on our land"
And then as a foe, he told me to go...

Gypsy Queen, eh?
I though you would prefer easy livin'


Personally I stick with:
People say I'm no-good,
And crazy as a loon.
I get stoned in the morning, 
I get drunk in the afternoon.
Kinda like my old blue tick hound, 
I like to lay around in the shade,
An', I ain't got no money,
But I damn sure got it made.
 
2013-10-26 09:24:46 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Why the fark are they dying and bleaching infants hair?


Weirdly enough I had a Romanian friend (not Roma) who had dark hair but light skin. Her husband also looked like a non-descript dark haired European. They had two blond children who looked like their hair had been bleached because their hair colour did not go with their skin tone (which seemed almost middle eastern). It was very strange.

I also know an actual Roma dude (Hungarian) whose darker skin tone made sense once I found out he was Roma.
 
2013-10-26 09:28:46 PM

SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?


media.zenfs.com
Lazio?
 
2013-10-26 09:29:48 PM

iwantamonkey: The whole, 'I can't afford a child, here random lady, you take her,' thing reminds me of the tragic case of Sylvia Likens from the 60s. Sylvia and her sister were "farmed out" due to poverty, and the foster parent abused her, starved her, and orchestrated her own and the neighborhood children into torturing her to death.
Only this Roma girl is alive and no one is saying she was tortured.
By the way I think the vivid red hair we are seeing in these pictures of Roma children is the result of henna dye. Henna is a plant-based dye that is believed to have protective powers. It is also not nearly as stinky and gross as synthetic hair dye; it can also strengthen the hair follicle. Maybe they caregivers are not trying to conceal the children. Red isn't exactly camouflage, is it?
There are a lot of assumptions flying around about these 'poor little blonde girls.' I would rather we talk about systematic disenfranchisement of the Roma, educational failings, and rural poverty. That conversation could actually help a lot more children.


I spent a couple years in Greece while in my late teens.  One of the most impactful memories I have was when Lybia was bombed.  There was mayhem in the streets (protesters and such) and while walking through the square a circle of police harassing a wee boy.  He was Roma and they would push him around the circle taunting him.  I commented and I was dismissed by my Greek friend as "they are only gypsies".  I am not suprised that they grow up angry and against society.
 
2013-10-26 09:31:55 PM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


They're still stealing people's shiat today.  And they'll be doing it tomorrow.  They'll steal shiat that has little to no value.  Like a TV remote or a roll of paper towels or whatever else they can get their hands on.  If you have something that has absolutely zero resale value but you need, don't assume it's safe.
 
2013-10-26 09:33:18 PM
So rednecks aren't exclusive to the US?
 
2013-10-26 09:38:22 PM
If a black couple were to have an albino child and dhs showed up and claimed the kid was stolen that would start a fight everyone would hear about. But no one wants to think about how other places treat minorities.
 
2013-10-26 09:38:23 PM
Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.
 
2013-10-26 09:40:06 PM

content6.flixster.comCog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

 
2013-10-26 09:41:12 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

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images.static-bluray.com

"Egg Shen... EGG SHEN! You have come a long ways to find me. But it is too late. There are two girls with green eyes, and I will marry them both. And then I will sacrifice Gracie Law to appease my emperor and live out my earthly pleasures with Miao Yin."
 
2013-10-26 09:43:03 PM
This is troubling. Will the tears of a blond gypsy still protect me against disease?
 
2013-10-26 09:58:06 PM

SithLord: You know who else didn't like the Roma?


images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-26 10:02:27 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Actually it's not.


That's quite a confident assertion.
I wonder, do you have any samples beyond your own family to back you up?
Your family may be anomalous.  That's the reason actual scientific studies use n > 1.
 
2013-10-26 10:07:30 PM
I thought that whole incident was quite racist.
 
2013-10-26 10:11:30 PM

Savage Belief: So rednecks aren't exclusive to the US?


One might also consider wetback or raghead as appropriate ethnic slurs with which to malign these people.
 
2013-10-26 10:11:59 PM
You know, a couple of months back I saw a swarthy couple with a VERY blonde child in their shopping cart at Wal*Mart...

It never occurred to me that they may have been Gypsies shopping for take-out...
 
2013-10-26 10:12:52 PM

whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.



And???
 
2013-10-26 10:18:04 PM

12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,


I should really follow up on stories before I comment.



Link confirming what you said

The disturbing part to me is this:


The girl was seven months old when they had to return to Bulgaria, and she said she could not afford to take the child with her.

Are you kidding me? How can you just decide that you can't afford a child that you brought into this world? I know everyone isn't as well off as me, but it does sound like a horrible choice to make and even if she couldn't afford to travel with her baby then, why didn't she try to get her back?

She's not saying she gave her child up for adoption. She's not saying she left her under the care of another family until she could get back on her feet. She's saying her daughter was too much of a financial strain to deal with.

WTF? She had TEN siblings? Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people. Do they not know about birth control? It's no wonder they just leave their kids where they drop under the care of people they hardly know.

I really do suspect there was a financial arrangement. "If she'd been sold, we'd have a much bigger house on 2 floors, not like this" said some guy who is presumably the father.

The part about 10 siblings and the quote from her presumed father is what I just saw on Sky News on TV, so no link, sorry.

And like I said before, what makes "Roma" people so special? They could easily integrate into European society, but instead they just cling to their caravans and pop out a dozen children and expect the government to care for them.

And then they give (perhaps sell, but no proof of that yet) their children away to other families?

I know it sounds sort of racist to say this although I'm not sure what "race" Roma people are, but it's no wonder why they're so hated.
 
2013-10-26 10:18:12 PM

Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???


And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.
 
2013-10-26 10:18:49 PM

adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.


I think it is part of Roma culture not to belong to any country. Apparently, they've been wandering for 1100 years and show no inclination to stop. On the other hand, they must have passports to cross countries, so I don't know how that works.
 
2013-10-26 10:20:36 PM
 Capturing increasing national frustration with the Roma, a prominent story in the April issue of the popular magazine Paris Match showed eight pages of photographs of young Roma pickpockets brazenly targeting tourists at bank machines, Metro stations and museums like the Louvre.

But Roma advocates counter that if there is crime among some Roma, it is the byproduct of severe economic deprivation and social exclusion that allowed a minority of unscrupulous ringleaders to exploit poor people desperately eking out an existence on society's fringes.


Being poor is no excuse for breaking the law.

 
2013-10-26 10:30:25 PM
romanians and roma arent actually the same thing
 
2013-10-26 10:35:54 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:


She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*
 
2013-10-26 10:36:43 PM
romani are decendents from a tribe that left india a thousand years ago to wander the near east and europe. romania is a country in central europe named fro rome and populated mostly by slavs
 
2013-10-26 10:37:04 PM

jamspoon: Genes can do strange things. Partly because we think skin colour is more important than the other features


I was looking at the picture of the girl and her parents, ignore the skin color and it's obvious the kid looks like her mother.

Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.


True story, friend did some consulting in Kabul back when no one did consulting in Kabul. He's blond blue eyed.  He grew his beard out before he went, but said with that no one on the street gave him a second look. Essentially that part of the world is part of the old silk road, people have been migrating back and forth through there for thousands of years.  You see every type of hair color and eyes.

whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


Not to mention really stupid.
 
2013-10-26 10:37:10 PM

bestie1: romanians and roma arent actually the same thing


Are you trying to say they're not from Rome?
 
2013-10-26 10:42:46 PM
Non-passport holding Muricans, which make up the majority of Muricans, have no understanding of the gypsy problem in Europe.  All Americans know about gypsies is what they've seen in popular media.  Americans believe the gypsies are a group of people who wear colorful costumes and love to sing and dance, but are otherwise harmless.

First off, the gypsies ARE not Europeans, and DNA studies prove it.  The gypsies originated in northern India, and wandered into Turkey.  The gypsies entered Europe through the Balkans during the Turkish invasions of Europe.  The reasons why gypsies are so despised in southern and eastern Europe is because they are an every present reminder of the humiliations various Europeans were subjected to under the Turks.  Keep in mind that the the last of the Turks weren't ejected from Europe until 1908., which as European history goes may as well be last week.

Most gypsies have no intention of acting like Europeans.  Their culture was set long before they got to Europe.  They live the way they do, because THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.  During the communist years, the reds attempted to force the gypsies into permanent housing and met with little success.

As for blond gypos, they are rare, but they exist.  It's common for gypsy women to work as prostitutes, many of them pimped out by their own husbands or other male family members.  In recent years gypsy prostitutes have figured out a new way to make money.  Get pregnant by a white customer and hope for a fair skinned baby which they attempt to sell to childless European or American couples.
 
2013-10-26 10:46:01 PM
Yeah - if you traffic kids, people do tend to think poorly of you for it.
 
2013-10-26 10:48:39 PM

Fissile: Non-passport holding Muricans, which make up the majority of Muricans, have no understanding of the gypsy problem in Europe.  All Americans know about gypsies is what they've seen in popular media.  Americans believe the gypsies are a group of people who wear colorful costumes and love to sing and dance, but are otherwise harmless.

First off, the gypsies ARE not Europeans, and DNA studies prove it.  The gypsies originated in northern India, and wandered into Turkey.  The gypsies entered Europe through the Balkans during the Turkish invasions of Europe.  The reasons why gypsies are so despised in southern and eastern Europe is because they are an every present reminder of the humiliations various Europeans were subjected to under the Turks.  Keep in mind that the the last of the Turks weren't ejected from Europe until 1908., which as European history goes may as well be last week.

Most gypsies have no intention of acting like Europeans.  Their culture was set long before they got to Europe.  They live the way they do, because THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.  During the communist years, the reds attempted to force the gypsies into permanent housing and met with little success.

As for blond gypos, they are rare, but they exist.  It's common for gypsy women to work as prostitutes, many of them pimped out by their own husbands or other male family members.  In recent years gypsy prostitutes have figured out a new way to make money.  Get pregnant by a white customer and hope for a fair skinned baby which they attempt to sell to childless European or American couples.


Why do you use the term "Murrican" and try to come off so high and mighty and assume we know nothing about Roma?

Maybe you should learn some more about Americans and stop using terms which you intend to be offensive.

You probably don't know this, but most Americans are of European descent, but we are a diverse nation and many of of us roots in Asia, Africa and South America as well.
 
2013-10-26 10:49:05 PM

Gawdzila: Marcus Aurelius: Actually it's not.

That's quite a confident assertion.
I wonder, do you have any samples beyond your own family to back you up?
Your family may be anomalous.  That's the reason actual scientific studies use n > 1.


Make your count n=3. Me and all my cousins started as blondies, but only 3 out of 15 stayed that way after puberty. And in my boyfriend's family, he, his full brother and his half brother started as blondies. His half brother has dark brown hair now.

Blonde kids going brown is actually quite common.
 
2013-10-26 10:50:33 PM

bestie1: romani are decendents from a tribe that left india a thousand years ago to wander the near east and europe. romania is a country in central europe named fro rome and populated mostly by slavs


Romanians are not Slavs.

/their name comes from the time of the Roman Empire meaning "citizens of Rome", you got an extra point for that
 
2013-10-26 10:50:47 PM

phunkey_monkey: Being poor is no excuse for breaking the law.


But apparently being rich is. Bankers, especially.
 
2013-10-26 10:51:00 PM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???

And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.



RIGHT ON. DUDE!

But moving to Eastern Europe? I don't think so.

If you want to raise money for the Roma, go where the  MONEY IS - in the USofA!

/Get on it, friend
//Raise them funds!
///Those Roma aren't going to feed themselves, now are they?
 
2013-10-26 11:05:05 PM
If only there was some way of registering a child as having been born to you, some official, I dunno, certificate??

Oh, wait, there is.

Roma never use it.  Usually in breach of the local law that specifically requires you to register a birth for this very reason (amongst others).
 
2013-10-26 11:06:16 PM

simplicimus: adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.

I think it is part of Roma culture not to belong to any country. Apparently, they've been wandering for 1100 years and show no inclination to stop. On the other hand, they must have passports to cross countries, so I don't know how that works.


Apparently they are related to the Travellers people who can never settle anywhere because the guy who created the Nails that were used on the cross follow them.
Look if you want to get out of your financial hell you obey the laws of the land, learn to cut back on the mega dresses and weddings, stop being such ass holes to your kids and women with your backwoods catholic traditions, get a job, get a home and start cutin' back on the baby making and get an education. Once you do that for a a generation or two you'll see people's attitudes change.
 
2013-10-26 11:23:50 PM

Bonzo_1116: Gawdzila: Marcus Aurelius: Actually it's not.

That's quite a confident assertion.
I wonder, do you have any samples beyond your own family to back you up?
Your family may be anomalous.  That's the reason actual scientific studies use n > 1.

Make your count n=3. Me and all my cousins started as blondies, but only 3 out of 15 stayed that way after puberty. And in my boyfriend's family, he, his full brother and his half brother started as blondies. His half brother has dark brown hair now.

Blonde kids going brown is actually quite common.


I started out really blonde and went reddish about puberty.
 
2013-10-26 11:23:56 PM

KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*


She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.
 
2013-10-26 11:25:45 PM

Wizard Drongo: If only there was some way of registering a child as having been born to you, some official, I dunno, certificate??

Oh, wait, there is.

Roma never use it.  Usually in breach of the local law that specifically requires you to register a birth for this very reason (amongst others).


If a Roma family gets a birth certificate for their kid, they may face deportation...but I'd imagine it's a head-scratcher where exactly to deport them, as many of the countries they might claim won't take them back.

And many countries in Europe don't have birthright citizenship, so from the point of view of the parents, registering the baby could very well be useless.

I wonder if they could agitate to get EU citizenship that isn't tied to any particular nation, sort of the way US citizens living abroad are still able to vote in presidential elections, but not in local races. I.e Americans, but not a citizen of a state
 
2013-10-26 11:26:28 PM

ongbok: Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!

One of my friends worked security at Planet Hollywood in Chicago back in 96. He said their biggest problem were Gypsies coming in and using fake $50 bills to pay for a $10 meal.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-26 11:28:46 PM
Roma not Romo.... but still i leave this here.

www.hdwallpapersinn.com
 
2013-10-26 11:37:11 PM
ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....
 
2013-10-26 11:38:41 PM

HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.


It didn't help their case that she wasn't biologically related to them and they had no proof of where she came from or how they got her.
 
2013-10-26 11:41:58 PM

Danger Avoid Death: KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*

She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.

==================


"Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.

www.kiarts.org
 
2013-10-26 11:43:49 PM
I was stolen by the gypsies. My parents stole me right back. Then the gypsies stole me again. This went on for some time. One minute I was in the caravan suckling the dark teat of my new mother, the next I sat at the long dining room table eating my breakfast with a silver spoon.

It was the first day of spring. One of my fathers was singing in the bathtub; the other was painting a live sparrow the colors of a tropical bird.

--Charles Simic
Poet Laureate
 
2013-10-26 11:49:48 PM

bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....


What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.
 
2013-10-26 11:52:59 PM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


My grandpa, who's 87, lives in Glasgow, and had a group of gypsies offer to help out with his yard work. Trusting fool that he was, paid them up front so they could 'buy more tools'. They never came back. I've never heard my mother go on a racist rant until the day she found that out.

I also feel the need to mention I was born blonde, and now have dark brown hair. My husband was born a redhead, then went platinum till puberty, then darkened to a dark blonde/light brown.
 
2013-10-26 11:54:50 PM

gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.


Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.
 
2013-10-26 11:58:06 PM

gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.


I think they can be traced back to India.
 
2013-10-27 12:04:50 AM

gfid: bestie1: romanians and roma arent actually the same thing

Are you trying to say they're not from Rome?


actually the Romanians speak a language based off of Latin

I trained a lady who was Romanian, and the language almost sounds Italian to an extent
 
2013-10-27 12:12:44 AM
after my son was born (with blonde) hair all my grandmother could tell me was that mexicans liked to steal kids with blonde hair.
was that the american version of this superstition?

/shrug
 
2013-10-27 12:20:18 AM

bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....


from reading the wiki article on them, they are Europe's other blacks, slavery death on site,sterilized attempts, sheesh
 
2013-10-27 12:29:52 AM

Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.


Actually the Scandinavians didn't bring blonde hair and blue eyes to Asia it was the other way around. They were brought to Scandinavia by the Scythians who migrated there.
 
2013-10-27 12:39:03 AM

adamatari: The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.


You mean the 4th story they told the police turned out to be true.  The first three were (1) she's our biological kid, no realli (2) my wife had an affair with some blond dude (3) something else fishy.

I heard a sympathetic reporter who visited the family on the radio today.  She said when she got to the house, they told her to wait outside.  She saw a bunch of children streaming behind the house carrying things from a neighbor's.  After a while, they let her in to see the "little girl's room" which was obviously the only bedroom available for all the kids, but had been made up to look like only hers and filled with toys and stuff.

So, you know, when you constantly deceive people even after they have you dead to rights, you might expect them not to believe anything you say.
 
2013-10-27 12:47:16 AM

Lsherm: [img692.imageshack.us image 600x355]

Well, on thing is for sure:  these people need bath lessons.
Maybe the mom is hoping the dirt will make them look darker.

 
2013-10-27 12:55:05 AM
Well, according to the media, at least these cases are giving greatly renewed hope to the parents of missing children, which is strange because they don't seem to involve any missing children.
 
2013-10-27 12:55:23 AM
I love their frozen pizza
 
2013-10-27 12:55:24 AM
Romani eunt domus
 
2013-10-27 01:06:01 AM

BigRightRear: The chicks in the picture look like they smell really bad. Just imagime the huge orange bush on that ginger.

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-27 01:25:01 AM

namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.


You too? My dad used to tell me he was going to sell me back to the gypsies when I was bad.

I wanted to go live with the gypsies when I was a kid. The little gypsy girls got to wear cool long skirts and high heels and I figured they would teach me fortune telling.
 
2013-10-27 01:28:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.

Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.


Okay, stay with me here.  From the news I've been seeing they look like they mostly have darker skin - you know maybe like an Italian or a Spaniard might have.

Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race?  Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else.  She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race?  Are Americans a separate race from English people?  Wait, are Americans even a race?  There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America.  Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic.  Scientifically we're all humans.  There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person.  There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

This is a cultural thing.  I bet there are thousands if not millions of Roma who have assimilated into Europe.  It's those that refuse to do so and have 11 children and just decide they can't afford their 7 month old baby and leaves them behind after they get done picking olives that define them as Roma.

WTF were they thinking when they had a baby they couldn't afford?  They had already had 10 others.  It's not like they didn't know how sex worked.  I couldn't really afford to take my cat to a hospital last week.  You know what?  She's my cat.  I said fark the cost, I'm not going to let her die without giving her the best medical care she can get first.    That was just for a cat.  How the hell does anyone do that to a 7 month old human being?

So they just decided that their 7 month old baby was expendable?

Hey, let's leave the baby with these people we just met in a different country.  I'm sure things will be ok.  What a load of crap.

You know how long it takes to have 11 babies?  If a woman were constantly pregnant it would take 8 1/4 years assuming no twins or triplets.  Who the hell would do that while having to travel around from country to country looking for work and picking olives in Greece?

You'd think at some point during those (minimum of) 8 years she'd ask herself if she should really have any more kids.

These people are scum.  It's not a racial thing.  It's a cultural thing.  They're bums.  A lot of them are criminals.  They choose to separate themselves from the rest of civilized society.  They have chosen their lives

I don't know how heartless you have to be to leave your 7 month old child with strangers from another country, but it doesn't get much colder than that.
 
2013-10-27 01:35:23 AM

gfid: Gyrfalcon: gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.

Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.

Okay, stay with me here.  From the news I've been seeing they look like they mostly have darker skin - you know maybe like an Italian or a Spaniard might have.

Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race?  Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else.  She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race?  Are Americans a separate race from English people?  Wait, are Americans even a race?  There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America.  Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic.  Scientifically we're all humans.  There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person.  There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

This is a cultural thing.  I bet there are thousands if not millions of Roma who have assimilated into Europe.  It's those that refuse to do so and have 11 children and just decide they can't afford their 7 month old baby and leaves them behind after they get done picking olives that define them as Roma.

WTF were they thinking when they had a baby they couldn't afford?  They had already had 10 others.  It's not like they didn't know how sex worked.  I couldn't really afford to take my cat to a hospital last week.  You know what?  She's my cat.  I said fark the cost, I'm not going to let her die without giving her the best medical care she can get first.    That was just for a cat.  How the hell does anyone do that to a 7 month old human being?

So they just decided that their 7 month old baby was expendable?

Hey, let's l ...


Now replace Roma with Jew and you have a lovely pro-Hitler slant going.
 
2013-10-27 01:38:27 AM

adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.


The online posts by those enlightened Europeans about the Romani are absolutely disgusting.  "We always knew those filthy thieves kidnapped children.  Now we have proof."  Followed by suggestions that would have gladdened Hitler's black heart.
 
2013-10-27 01:54:36 AM

OgreMagi: adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.

The online posts by those enlightened Europeans about the Romani are absolutely disgusting.  "We always knew those filthy thieves kidnapped children.  Now we have proof."  Followed by suggestions that would have gladdened Hitler's black heart.


Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners. They say shiat that makes '60s Jim Crow south seem enlightened, just not about blacks.
 
2013-10-27 01:59:11 AM

Maggie_Luna: Now replace Roma with Jew and you have a lovely pro-Hitler slant going.


Jews aren't a different race either.  Those who practice the Jewish faith do define themselves as a culture but they also seem pretty white to me.  Sure, some of them may have slightly darker skin (like Italians or Spaniards or maybe Arabs) but their culture isn't defined by living in camps and being nomadic and popping out 11 children and leaving one behind because they just couldn't afford bus fare for their 7 month old child.

What about the Roma that have integrated into European society?  Are you saying there aren't any?  Why do some of them cling to the lifestyle of the people involved in this story?

The Roma that have settled down and gotten jobs and blended into European society don't call themselves Roma anymore.  I live in the US.  I don't consider myself European anymore even though that's where my ancestors came from.

So maybe the authorities got it wrong, but still I don't understand how one can have 11 children and just decide to leave one behind because you can't afford it.  What about the other 10 children?  How did they get bus or train tickets back to Bulgaria?

Jews may think of themselves as a different race, but they're really not.  They're human just like the rest of us.  They're Jewish because of their faith and I respect that.  I'm not going to tell them what they should believe.

Roma?  Well, that's not a religion.  It seems to be more of a lifestyle and when that lifestyle extends to human trafficking I'm going to object.  Sorry.

Okay, I'll take a step back before I say something that gets me banned.  All they had to do was go through a legal adoption process and all of this could have been avoided, but the "Roma" seem to want to live outside of the law.
 
2013-10-27 01:59:19 AM

loonatic112358: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

from reading the wiki article on them, they are Europe's other blacks, slavery death on site,sterilized attempts, sheesh


yeah, funny, to anyone not from europe/without this loony anti roma disease, they just look like poor europeans.  but in europe they have less rights than regular people.  strange.

usually these threads bring out quite a few continental (well usually u.k.) nutters, most of 'em on par with the best and worst of our stateside klansmen types.
 
2013-10-27 02:22:51 AM

Oldiron_79: Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners.


Good thing the US and especially Fark is so enlightened that saying terrible things about people from certain places is never known.

Oh, wait, Fark has a Florida tag and there are probably thousands of posts asking for a Texas tag or an Arizona tag.  Why?  Because we're so enlightened we think anyone who lives in certain other places is a dumbass idiot and probably racist too.

I know I've been highly critical of the "Roma" in this thread, but I do not do so because of where they came from or where they live.  I do so because the only people who call themselves "Roma" flout laws and refuse to join civilized society.

I've seen people on Fark mock the Duggars because they had 18 or 19 kids, but at least the Duggars can support them even if they do accept help from donations.

This "Roma" family has 11 kids and they just decided to leave one behind because they couldn't afford her.  There was no legal adoption.  There was obviously no expectation that they'd ever see their 7 month old child again.

When I saw her father interviewed, he wasn't saying how much he wanted to see his daughter again.  He was defending himself.  He was basically saying he would't be living in such a shiathole if he had actually sold his daughter.

Someone who actually cared about his children would be asking how he could get to see his daughter again.
 
2013-10-27 02:44:05 AM

gfid: I didn't read TFA because I've heard enough about both the case in Greece and another in Ireland, but apparently there's more to both stories than someone thinking that Roma people don't have blonde kids.  And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

I actually don't understand why so many Roma haven't just integrated and become non-descript Europeans.  They don't really look different, so I guess it's a cultural thing.

If you're going to adopt a child, do it legally and make sure you have proper documentation.  These seem like cases of someone wanting a child just so they could collect money from the government.


Clearly you haven't read enough. The mother has come forward and outright backed up their story. Ie she asked them too look after her as she couldn't afford to bring up her litter.
 
2013-10-27 02:47:23 AM
I'm just curious as to why the Roma don't use campgrounds or is it because they are not allowed to or can't afford them? The ones I've seen tend to use large municipal parking lots for a day or two before being chased away.
 
2013-10-27 03:06:11 AM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


They are still around today.  Those folks that fix roofs or re-pave your driveway?  Yep.
 
2013-10-27 03:09:51 AM
Has nobody heard of farking albinism? Come on, look at pictures of the older children, especially the teenage boy. It's not mysterious light genes, it's just a family with several albinos.
 
2013-10-27 03:12:05 AM

gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.


The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?
 
2013-10-27 03:31:43 AM

adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.


No thanks, we already have enough of them in Hungary.  Why dont we send them to your place?
 
2013-10-27 04:13:55 AM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???

And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.


Roma Therapy
 
2013-10-27 04:21:50 AM
 
2013-10-27 04:23:51 AM

SwiftFox: 12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,

Yeah, their suspicion is seems to be that a blond-haired blue-eyed baby is obviously too valuable a commodity to have been acquired by a dark Roma family from its mother to be raised for its own sake. We all know how much money appears in a family's finances because of the raising of a child.


LOL, Americans.
 
2013-10-27 04:38:52 AM

log_jammin: whatshisname: Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???

And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.

Roma Therapy


Bravo!!! +1 Interwebs for you, sir!
 
2013-10-27 04:48:48 AM

Synaesthete: SwiftFox: 12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,

Yeah, their suspicion is seems to be that a blond-haired blue-eyed baby is obviously too valuable a commodity to have been acquired by a dark Roma family from its mother to be raised for its own sake. We all know how much money appears in a family's finances because of the raising of a child.

LOL, Americans.


I think that last sentence was sarcasm.
 
2013-10-27 05:25:28 AM
I think I was angered by about every 5th or 6th post in this thread. It seems as though many of you aren't capable of reading comprehension or thoughtful dialogue. Why must such willful idiocy exist?

Nevermind, my question clearly isn't capable of being answered intelligently by this crowd.
 
2013-10-27 05:26:31 AM

wildcardjack: I know a young woman with brown hair who started off as a wee blond tyke.




In my family we (me and all my first cousins on my mother's side) all had light blonde hair and very blue eyes until a few years before puberty. All but one of us ended up with lightish brown and green eyes.

I look nothing like my parents. They both have black-brown hair and brown eyes, I have golden brown hair, green eyes. And I have an olive/golden skin tone while theirs is reddish. If I wasn't the spitting image of my mother when she was a kid and every woman going back several generations it would be weird.

/found a picture of my great great grandmother when she was my age
//it's creepy how much we look alike
///REALLY strong genes for a very specific face in my family, thankfully it's a good looking one
 
2013-10-27 05:28:41 AM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


I'm Irish, and while I object to your generalisation, I must confess to hating the farking Romas, but we have lots of bleeding-heart liberals here who are now white knighting them after the gardai (police) took those kids away.

I think you're also confusing Roma with Tinkers, tinkers are our own indigenous 'gypsies' (of Snatch fame) and Roma are the ones mentioned in this article, they are in no way related, apart from their penchant for thievery and living in boxes. As mentioned already in this thread, tinkers don't hold a patch on the roma when it comes to warranting hatred, and they're mean boxers.
 
2013-10-27 05:28:59 AM

Dextro: I think I was angered by about every 5th or 6th post in this thread. It seems as though many of you aren't capable of reading comprehension or thoughtful dialogue. Why must such willful idiocy exist?

Nevermind, my question clearly isn't capable of being answered intelligently by this crowd.


fart balls
 
2013-10-27 05:41:14 AM

Wizard Drongo: If only there was some way of registering a child as having been born to you, some official, I dunno, certificate??

Oh, wait, there is.

Roma never use it.  Usually in breach of the local law that specifically requires you to register a birth for this very reason (amongst others).


Gee, I wonder why an ethnic group might not be to comfortable with registering their kids with a European government.
 
2013-10-27 05:46:18 AM

kim jong-un: Gee, I wonder why an ethnic group might not be to comfortable with registering their kids with a European government.


They're more than happy to register with these governments in order to receive fraudulent welfare benefits
 
2013-10-27 06:16:55 AM
It's nice to see that our European friends can be just as racist and ignorant as us Americans.

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
2013-10-27 06:37:18 AM

gfid: Oldiron_79: Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners.

Good thing the US and especially Fark is so enlightened that saying terrible things about people from certain places is never known.

Oh, wait, Fark has a Florida tag and there are probably thousands of posts asking for a Texas tag or an Arizona tag.  Why?  Because we're so enlightened we think anyone who lives in certain other places is a dumbass idiot and probably racist too.

I know I've been highly critical of the "Roma" in this thread, but I do not do so because of where they came from or where they live.  I do so because the only people who call themselves "Roma" flout laws and refuse to join civilized society.

I've seen people on Fark mock the Duggars because they had 18 or 19 kids, but at least the Duggars can support them even if they do accept help from donations.

This "Roma" family has 11 kids and they just decided to leave one behind because they couldn't afford her.  There was no legal adoption.  There was obviously no expectation that they'd ever see their 7 month old child again.

When I saw her father interviewed, he wasn't saying how much he wanted to see his daughter again.  He was defending himself.  He was basically saying he would't be living in such a shiathole if he had actually sold his daughter.

Someone who actually cared about his children would be asking how he could get to see his daughter again.


If I had 10 other little shiats running around I wouldn't be in a big hurry to re-acquire an eleventh.

/pragmatic
 
2013-10-27 06:50:26 AM

gfid: What race are they? They look kind of white to me.


It's like what the man said about Ireland. Here is a place with no real religious, ethnic, nor cultural distinctions, yet they mange to improvise.
 
2013-10-27 07:27:08 AM
Oh Fark, you're up to your old habits again...

On the one side, you have European Farkers saying, "Trust me, you don't understand"

On the other, you have American farkers appalled because they don't see race, yet I've seen a few posts citing the Gypsy Wedding reality TV show or shiat straight out of the Daily Mail tabloid.

And no lulz, aside from the Roma-Lazio joke
 
2013-10-27 07:30:03 AM

HempHead: And the English.


No Roma in that case. It was a bunch of Irish travellers who had illegally expanded a site without getting planning permission. Wealthy travellers too, as they owned property in Ireland.
 
2013-10-27 07:35:34 AM

Bonzo_1116: I wonder if they could agitate to get EU citizenship that isn't tied to any particular nation, sort of the way US citizens living abroad are still able to vote in presidential elections, but not in local races. I.e Americans, but not a citizen of a state


Pretty sure you still need to have an address in US, and that's where you'd be registered to vote. And the EU is not going to give you a blanket EU passport (if that even exists)
 
2013-10-27 07:41:11 AM

gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else. She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race? Are Americans a separate race from English people? Wait, are Americans even a race? There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America. Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic. Scientifically we're all humans. There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person. There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-27 08:27:37 AM

Cajnik: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else. She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race? Are Americans a separate race from English people? Wait, are Americans even a race? There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America. Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic. Scientifically we're all humans. There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person. There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

[i45.tinypic.com image 336x254]


Is that supposed to be funny?  I don't know if you've ever actually met anyone outside of your own :"race" before.  I suspect you haven't which is probably why you think it's funny to post pictures like that.

Trust me, Stephen Colbert is a farking moran.  "Roma" is not a race.  It's an excuse to live like gypsies and rob people of everything they can.  We have some in the US too.  They travel around and try to steal everything they can.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread even try to justify abandoning a 7 month old child.
 
2013-10-27 08:57:26 AM

gfid: Cajnik: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else. She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race? Are Americans a separate race from English people? Wait, are Americans even a race? There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America. Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic. Scientifically we're all humans. There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person. There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

[i45.tinypic.com image 336x254]

Is that supposed to be funny?  I don't know if you've ever actually met anyone outside of your own :"race" before.  I suspect you haven't which is probably why you think it's funny to post pictures like that.

Trust me, Stephen Colbert is a farking moran.  "Roma" is not a race.  It's an excuse to live like gypsies and rob people of everything they can.  We have some in the US too.  They travel around and try to steal everything they can.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread even try to justify abandoning a 7 month old child.


Wait, what?
 
2013-10-27 09:07:21 AM
Late to the thread, but do any of you Farkers have a recommendation toward reading up on the Roma? Fiction or non-fiction that portrays them from within instead of an outsider's take?

I was born with light brown hair, which was replaced with very blonde (as was the trait among my siblings), which eventually went darker brown, thence upon the arrival of facial hair it came in quite dark brown, which then lightened in tint aside from the mustache which darkened to include black hairs before the whole went fairly red before settling on brown again, all the while (since the age of sixteen) grey was creeping in and the mustache only is holding out at brown for the time being.

/mutt
//one sister has had what can only be referred to as everchanging merle hair which is now settling into dun every winter
///Great grandmother was a trapeze artist in a small traveling circus from either Germany, France, or somewhere farther east
/boring story bro
 
2013-10-27 09:22:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?


How have Jews not assimilated into countries that would let them? They retain their own religion, but Jews have always assimilated culturally into other countries in every way that doesn't violate their relgion. Where ever they are able to, they are involved in the broader community, involved in politics, involved in interfaith projects, involved in charities. The clothes they wear or the way Jews cook in Italy is different than the way Jews in America or Spain or Israel. Southern Jews developed different culinary traditions than the ones who settled in New York. They always learn how to speak the local language in addition to any others they can speak.
 
2013-10-27 09:40:38 AM

ambercat: Gyrfalcon: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?

How have Jews not assimilated into countries that would let them? They retain their own religion, but Jews have always assimilated culturally into other countries in every way that doesn't violate their relgion. Where ever they are able to, they are involved in the broader community, involved in politics, involved in interfaith projects, involved in charities. The clothes they wear or the way Jews cook in Italy is different than the way Jews in America or Spain or Israel. Southern Jews developed different culinary traditions than the ones who settled in New York. They always learn how to speak the local language in addition to any others they can speak.


===================

I'm guessing you've never been to New York?  Do you know what the Hasidim are all about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
 
2013-10-27 09:42:41 AM

gfid: Cajnik: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else. She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race? Are Americans a separate race from English people? Wait, are Americans even a race? There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America. Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic. Scientifically we're all humans. There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person. There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

[i45.tinypic.com image 336x254]

Is that supposed to be funny?  I don't know if you've ever actually met anyone outside of your own :"race" before.  I suspect you haven't which is probably why you think it's funny to post pictures like that.

Trust me, Stephen Colbert is a farking moran.   "Roma" is not a race.  It's an excuse to live like gypsies and rob people of everything they can.  We have some in the US too.  They travel around and try to steal everything they can.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread even try to justify abandoning a 7 month old child.


===================

You don't know what you are talking about. The DNA evidence PROVES that the majority of people who self identify as Roma have origins in northern India and not Europe.
 
2013-10-27 09:51:44 AM
So? Why don't they just use their magic crystal balls to predict when the authorities are going to take away their kids?
 
2013-10-27 10:04:08 AM

Richard C Stanford: So? Why don't they just use their magic crystal balls to predict when the authorities are going to take away their kids?


===========

Because the police bribe rival gypsy groups into short circuiting the crystal balls of the targeted gypsy group.
 
2013-10-27 10:25:29 AM
A lot of the hatred towards the roma might be pure racism, but not all.

The romas lifestyle place them outside society. They have 10 or more children who don't go to school, they live of welfare, begging and crime.
Let's not be naive, if you live like this people are going to resent you.

The jews on the other hand have alway integrated into society economicly, and have only placed themselves outside by their religion and diet, except when the law forced them to.
 
2013-10-27 11:16:29 AM

syrynxx: Romani eunt domus


Thank you!!
 
2013-10-27 11:32:06 AM

gfid: Where do you draw the line when defining race?  Are Americans a separate race from English people?  Wait, are Americans even a race?  There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America.  Are you saying they aren't really Americans?


The whole concept of "race" is pretty muddy, but I seem to remember that (at least at one time) the English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh were all considered separate races.  Under that sort of definition, a group that originates from India would definitely be considered a different race from anyone else in Europe.

That being said, I don't think it's a particularly useful concept.

gfid: Trust me, Stephen Colbert is a farking moran.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-27 11:35:57 AM
My mom used to threaten to give me to the gypsies. By the time I was 9 or so and becoming snarky, I would tell her she's welcome to go find some in our crappy rural desert town.

My dad told us he was going to give us back to the Indians. My parents are farked up, lol.
 
2013-10-27 11:55:01 AM

Dextro: I think I was angered by about every 5th or 6th post in this thread. It seems as though many of you aren't capable of reading comprehension or thoughtful dialogue. Why must such willful idiocy exist?

Nevermind, my question clearly isn't capable of being answered intelligently by this crowd.


Welcome to Fark.

/now go away
 
2013-10-27 12:04:17 PM
Gee, what a gyp.
 
2013-10-27 12:11:31 PM

HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.


Nicole Ritchie is a Gypsy?
 
2013-10-27 01:26:08 PM

Valiente: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

Nicole Ritchie is a Gypsy?


No, but the Kardashians obviously are. Armenian Roma.
 
2013-10-27 01:45:50 PM

Fissile: ambercat: Gyrfalcon: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?

How have Jews not assimilated into countries that would let them? They retain their own religion, but Jews have always assimilated culturally into other countries in every way that doesn't violate their relgion. Where ever they are able to, they are involved in the broader community, involved in politics, involved in interfaith projects, involved in charities. The clothes they wear or the way Jews cook in Italy is different than the way Jews in America or Spain or Israel. Southern Jews developed different culinary traditions than the ones who settled in New York. They always learn how to speak the local language in addition to any others they can speak.

===================

I'm guessing you've never been to New York?  Do you know what the Hasidim are all about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York


The Hasidim are a small percentage of the Jews in NYC. Most have assimilated quite nicely. And Kosher delis are the best, hands down.
 
2013-10-27 02:37:08 PM
Wait, I thought Europeans weren't racist? Only us lowly Americans would do something like that.
 
2013-10-27 03:03:19 PM

Valiente: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

Nicole Ritchie is a Gypsy?


Are you serious?  I thought everyone knew she was adopted.  She's the daughter of one of his backing musicians, who died around the same time as Nicole's mother.
 
2013-10-27 03:06:48 PM

Roy_G_Biv: Valiente: HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.

Nicole Ritchie is a Gypsy?

Are you serious?  I thought everyone knew she was adopted.  She's the daughter of one of his backing musicians, who died around the same time as Nicole's mother.


Sorry, they did not die.  They were just poor.
 
2013-10-27 03:44:30 PM

Fissile: You don't know what you are talking about. The DNA evidence PROVES that the majority of people who self identify as Roma have origins in northern India and not Europe.


Yeah, I do know what I'm talking about.  I don't consider Indians to be a separate race either.  They seem to be the same race as I am.  They are human.

Just because you think in terms of skin color or ethnicity and judge people based on that doesn't mean that we are all different races.

I would feel the same if Roma came from friggin' Antarctica.  That doesn't mean they're not human, but the Roma CULTURE hangs on to their ways not because of their DNA but because a lot of them are scum who want to live outside the law.
 
2013-10-27 03:51:35 PM

gfid: Fissile: You don't know what you are talking about. The DNA evidence PROVES that the majority of people who self identify as Roma have origins in northern India and not Europe.

Yeah, I do know what I'm talking about.  I don't consider Indians to be a separate race either.  They seem to be the same race as I am.  They are human.

Just because you think in terms of skin color or ethnicity and judge people based on that doesn't mean that we are all different races.

I would feel the same if Roma came from friggin' Antarctica.  That doesn't mean they're not human, but the Roma CULTURE hangs on to their ways not because of their DNA but because a lot of them are scum who want to live outside the law.


Race is a human construct that describes nothing based in science. It's a useless concept.
 
2013-10-27 04:00:55 PM

Bacontastesgood: adamatari: The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

You mean the 4th story they told the police turned out to be true.  The first three were (1) she's our biological kid, no realli (2) my wife had an affair with some blond dude (3) something else fishy.

I heard a sympathetic reporter who visited the family on the radio today.  She said when she got to the house, they told her to wait outside.  She saw a bunch of children streaming behind the house carrying things from a neighbor's.  After a while, they let her in to see the "little girl's room" which was obviously the only bedroom available for all the kids, but had been made up to look like only hers and filled with toys and stuff.

So, you know, when you constantly deceive people even after they have you dead to rights, you might expect them not to believe anything you say.


I did an extensive research report on roma when i was in hs.

It's a deeply held cultural value to lie as much as possible to non-romani. They don't lie to one another though.
 
2013-10-27 04:02:56 PM

Fissile: Danger Avoid Death: KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*

She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.

==================

"Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.


Yes, Afghani is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality.

Why did you feel the need to (erroneously) correct that?
 
2013-10-27 04:44:27 PM

o'really: Fissile: Danger Avoid Death: KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*

She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.

==================

"Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.

Yes, Afghani is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality.

Why did you feel the need to (erroneously) correct that?


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Because you're a typical Murican dumbfark who believes the rest of the world thinks as you do.  In most parts of the world,  nationality is meaningless, ethnic/tribal affiliation is everything.    You just keep on being a boorish Murican who believes everyone wants to be Murican.
 
2013-10-27 04:58:31 PM

Fissile: "Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.

Yes, Afghani is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality.

Why did you feel the need to (erroneously) correct that?

=================

Because you're a typical Murican dumbfark who believes the rest of the world thinks as you do.  In most parts of the world,  nationality is meaningless, ethnic/tribal affiliation is everything.    You just keep on being a boorish Murican who believes everyone wants to be Murican.


I doubt that Afghanistan is really a country, except for some lines drawn on a map.
 
2013-10-27 07:03:38 PM

No Such Agency: HempHead: And the English.
Blimey, that's one fantasy shattered :(
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Right fictional universe, but wrong WPC.

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2013-10-27 10:37:22 PM

Fissile: ambercat: Gyrfalcon: gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.

The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?

How have Jews not assimilated into countries that would let them? They retain their own religion, but Jews have always assimilated culturally into other countries in every way that doesn't violate their relgion. Where ever they are able to, they are involved in the broader community, involved in politics, involved in interfaith projects, involved in charities. The clothes they wear or the way Jews cook in Italy is different than the way Jews in America or Spain or Israel. Southern Jews developed different culinary traditions than the ones who settled in New York. They always learn how to speak the local language in addition to any others they can speak.

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I'm guessing you've never been to New York?  Do you know what the Hasidim are all about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York


ambercat made an excellent post. The Hasidim are to all Jews like Westboro is to all Christians. Though in all fairness, that block of Hasidim need to be rooted out of there using RICO or something. They throw rocks at women passing through just because they're dressed "immodestly."

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: I'm just curious as to why the Roma don't use campgrounds or is it because they are not allowed to or can't afford them? The ones I've seen tend to use large municipal parking lots for a day or two before being chased away.


It's because they don't want to. They feel they have the right to go squat wherever, and that's a big part of why people generally don't like them. They'll roll in overnight with their caravan and do things like take over public parks until forced to leave. It might not sound like much, but when sudden;y public space is gone and they don't set up proper sanitation and have 8457935793583057037 dirty kids running all over the place...yea.
 
2013-10-27 11:38:48 PM
You mean gypsies?
 
2013-10-27 11:44:08 PM

Fissile: o'really: Fissile: Danger Avoid Death: KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*

She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.

==================

"Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.

Yes, Afghani is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality.

Why did you feel the need to (erroneously) correct that?

=================

Because you're a typical Murican dumbfark who believes the rest of the world thinks as you do.  In most parts of the world,  nationality is meaningless, ethnic/tribal affiliation is everything.    You just keep on being a boorish Murican who believes everyone wants to be Murican.


0/10

Weak attempt. Unoriginal.
 
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