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(The New York Times)   Roma parents fear that, in the wake of the "blond angel" case in Greece, they may have their kids taken away because people don't realize that, yes, Roma people can have blond hair   (nytimes.com) divider line 185
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2013-10-26 11:23:50 PM

Bonzo_1116: Gawdzila: Marcus Aurelius: Actually it's not.

That's quite a confident assertion.
I wonder, do you have any samples beyond your own family to back you up?
Your family may be anomalous.  That's the reason actual scientific studies use n > 1.

Make your count n=3. Me and all my cousins started as blondies, but only 3 out of 15 stayed that way after puberty. And in my boyfriend's family, he, his full brother and his half brother started as blondies. His half brother has dark brown hair now.

Blonde kids going brown is actually quite common.


I started out really blonde and went reddish about puberty.
 
2013-10-26 11:23:56 PM

KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*


She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.
 
2013-10-26 11:25:45 PM

Wizard Drongo: If only there was some way of registering a child as having been born to you, some official, I dunno, certificate??

Oh, wait, there is.

Roma never use it.  Usually in breach of the local law that specifically requires you to register a birth for this very reason (amongst others).


If a Roma family gets a birth certificate for their kid, they may face deportation...but I'd imagine it's a head-scratcher where exactly to deport them, as many of the countries they might claim won't take them back.

And many countries in Europe don't have birthright citizenship, so from the point of view of the parents, registering the baby could very well be useless.

I wonder if they could agitate to get EU citizenship that isn't tied to any particular nation, sort of the way US citizens living abroad are still able to vote in presidential elections, but not in local races. I.e Americans, but not a citizen of a state
 
2013-10-26 11:26:28 PM

ongbok: Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!

One of my friends worked security at Planet Hollywood in Chicago back in 96. He said their biggest problem were Gypsies coming in and using fake $50 bills to pay for a $10 meal.


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2013-10-26 11:28:46 PM
Roma not Romo.... but still i leave this here.

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2013-10-26 11:37:11 PM
ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....
 
2013-10-26 11:38:41 PM

HotWingAgenda: People recognize that "roma" can be blonde. The trouble is when you see two adults who are black haired and swarthy skinned, with a little girl who has pale skin and platinum blonde hair. The logical assumption when the child doesn't look even slightly related to the adults is that they were either adopted or kidnapped.


It didn't help their case that she wasn't biologically related to them and they had no proof of where she came from or how they got her.
 
2013-10-26 11:41:58 PM

Danger Avoid Death: KeelingLovesCornholes: Danger Avoid Death: Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.

Which reminds me of this famous National Geographic cover photo from 1985. I might still have this issue in a box somewhere:

She was Pakistani or afghan, can remember precisely but it certainly wasn't anywhere near this story. You should see her now *shiver*

She was an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp in Pakistan, where the picture was taken, during the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Her name is Sharbat Gula.

==================


"Afghani is not an ethnicity.   Afghanistan is the name of the country.  The majority of Afghans belong to the Pashtun tribal group.  Sharbat Gula is a Pashtun.  This is what she looks like now.

www.kiarts.org
 
2013-10-26 11:43:49 PM
I was stolen by the gypsies. My parents stole me right back. Then the gypsies stole me again. This went on for some time. One minute I was in the caravan suckling the dark teat of my new mother, the next I sat at the long dining room table eating my breakfast with a silver spoon.

It was the first day of spring. One of my fathers was singing in the bathtub; the other was painting a live sparrow the colors of a tropical bird.

--Charles Simic
Poet Laureate
 
2013-10-26 11:49:48 PM

bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....


What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.
 
2013-10-26 11:52:59 PM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


My grandpa, who's 87, lives in Glasgow, and had a group of gypsies offer to help out with his yard work. Trusting fool that he was, paid them up front so they could 'buy more tools'. They never came back. I've never heard my mother go on a racist rant until the day she found that out.

I also feel the need to mention I was born blonde, and now have dark brown hair. My husband was born a redhead, then went platinum till puberty, then darkened to a dark blonde/light brown.
 
2013-10-26 11:54:50 PM

gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.


Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.
 
2013-10-26 11:58:06 PM

gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.


I think they can be traced back to India.
 
2013-10-27 12:04:50 AM

gfid: bestie1: romanians and roma arent actually the same thing

Are you trying to say they're not from Rome?


actually the Romanians speak a language based off of Latin

I trained a lady who was Romanian, and the language almost sounds Italian to an extent
 
2013-10-27 12:12:44 AM
after my son was born (with blonde) hair all my grandmother could tell me was that mexicans liked to steal kids with blonde hair.
was that the american version of this superstition?

/shrug
 
2013-10-27 12:20:18 AM

bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....


from reading the wiki article on them, they are Europe's other blacks, slavery death on site,sterilized attempts, sheesh
 
2013-10-27 12:29:52 AM

Cog Spinner: This reminds me of a National Geographic show or some other reputable show (Not Inside Edition, for fark's sake) that studied some nomadic tribes in Mongolia or Siberia, I forget which as it has been at least 10 years ago when I saw it, that had a few blonde headed/blue eyed kids here and there when everyone else in those tribes had black hair and brown eyes. Turns out scientists guessed it was because of the Vikings who...well...had a part in that. Viking DNA: the gift that keeps on giving.


Actually the Scandinavians didn't bring blonde hair and blue eyes to Asia it was the other way around. They were brought to Scandinavia by the Scythians who migrated there.
 
2013-10-27 12:39:03 AM

adamatari: The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.


You mean the 4th story they told the police turned out to be true.  The first three were (1) she's our biological kid, no realli (2) my wife had an affair with some blond dude (3) something else fishy.

I heard a sympathetic reporter who visited the family on the radio today.  She said when she got to the house, they told her to wait outside.  She saw a bunch of children streaming behind the house carrying things from a neighbor's.  After a while, they let her in to see the "little girl's room" which was obviously the only bedroom available for all the kids, but had been made up to look like only hers and filled with toys and stuff.

So, you know, when you constantly deceive people even after they have you dead to rights, you might expect them not to believe anything you say.
 
2013-10-27 12:47:16 AM

Lsherm: [img692.imageshack.us image 600x355]

Well, on thing is for sure:  these people need bath lessons.
Maybe the mom is hoping the dirt will make them look darker.

 
2013-10-27 12:55:05 AM
Well, according to the media, at least these cases are giving greatly renewed hope to the parents of missing children, which is strange because they don't seem to involve any missing children.
 
2013-10-27 12:55:23 AM
I love their frozen pizza
 
2013-10-27 12:55:24 AM
Romani eunt domus
 
2013-10-27 01:06:01 AM

BigRightRear: The chicks in the picture look like they smell really bad. Just imagime the huge orange bush on that ginger.

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2013-10-27 01:25:01 AM

namegoeshere: Salem Witch: My mom told me that her mother always warned her about gypsies stealing her when she was a little girl.

Really grandma? That was a big problem in the 30's? In Iowa?

My parents bought me from the gypsies. Really. My big brother told me.


You too? My dad used to tell me he was going to sell me back to the gypsies when I was bad.

I wanted to go live with the gypsies when I was a kid. The little gypsy girls got to wear cool long skirts and high heels and I figured they would teach me fortune telling.
 
2013-10-27 01:28:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.

Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.


Okay, stay with me here.  From the news I've been seeing they look like they mostly have darker skin - you know maybe like an Italian or a Spaniard might have.

Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race?  Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else.  She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race?  Are Americans a separate race from English people?  Wait, are Americans even a race?  There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America.  Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic.  Scientifically we're all humans.  There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person.  There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

This is a cultural thing.  I bet there are thousands if not millions of Roma who have assimilated into Europe.  It's those that refuse to do so and have 11 children and just decide they can't afford their 7 month old baby and leaves them behind after they get done picking olives that define them as Roma.

WTF were they thinking when they had a baby they couldn't afford?  They had already had 10 others.  It's not like they didn't know how sex worked.  I couldn't really afford to take my cat to a hospital last week.  You know what?  She's my cat.  I said fark the cost, I'm not going to let her die without giving her the best medical care she can get first.    That was just for a cat.  How the hell does anyone do that to a 7 month old human being?

So they just decided that their 7 month old baby was expendable?

Hey, let's leave the baby with these people we just met in a different country.  I'm sure things will be ok.  What a load of crap.

You know how long it takes to have 11 babies?  If a woman were constantly pregnant it would take 8 1/4 years assuming no twins or triplets.  Who the hell would do that while having to travel around from country to country looking for work and picking olives in Greece?

You'd think at some point during those (minimum of) 8 years she'd ask herself if she should really have any more kids.

These people are scum.  It's not a racial thing.  It's a cultural thing.  They're bums.  A lot of them are criminals.  They choose to separate themselves from the rest of civilized society.  They have chosen their lives

I don't know how heartless you have to be to leave your 7 month old child with strangers from another country, but it doesn't get much colder than that.
 
2013-10-27 01:35:23 AM

gfid: Gyrfalcon: gfid: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

What race are they?  They look kind of white to me.

Roma. Or Sinti. They are an ethnically distinct people.

Okay, stay with me here.  From the news I've been seeing they look like they mostly have darker skin - you know maybe like an Italian or a Spaniard might have.

Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race?  Maybe you do, but I don't.

OTOH, I saw an image in a news story of a red headed girl with very pale skin who looked more Irish than anything else.  She was supposed to be one of Maria's siblings.

Where do you draw the line when defining race?  Are Americans a separate race from English people?  Wait, are Americans even a race?  There are Americans from Asia, Africa, South and Central America.  Are you saying they aren't really Americans?

I just have a huge problem with race as a defining characteristic.  Scientifically we're all humans.  There really isn't much that differentiates a white person from a black person.  There's even less that differentiates a Roma from a French person - not biologically anyway.

This is a cultural thing.  I bet there are thousands if not millions of Roma who have assimilated into Europe.  It's those that refuse to do so and have 11 children and just decide they can't afford their 7 month old baby and leaves them behind after they get done picking olives that define them as Roma.

WTF were they thinking when they had a baby they couldn't afford?  They had already had 10 others.  It's not like they didn't know how sex worked.  I couldn't really afford to take my cat to a hospital last week.  You know what?  She's my cat.  I said fark the cost, I'm not going to let her die without giving her the best medical care she can get first.    That was just for a cat.  How the hell does anyone do that to a 7 month old human being?

So they just decided that their 7 month old baby was expendable?

Hey, let's l ...


Now replace Roma with Jew and you have a lovely pro-Hitler slant going.
 
2013-10-27 01:38:27 AM

adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.


The online posts by those enlightened Europeans about the Romani are absolutely disgusting.  "We always knew those filthy thieves kidnapped children.  Now we have proof."  Followed by suggestions that would have gladdened Hitler's black heart.
 
2013-10-27 01:54:36 AM

OgreMagi: adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.

The online posts by those enlightened Europeans about the Romani are absolutely disgusting.  "We always knew those filthy thieves kidnapped children.  Now we have proof."  Followed by suggestions that would have gladdened Hitler's black heart.


Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners. They say shiat that makes '60s Jim Crow south seem enlightened, just not about blacks.
 
2013-10-27 01:59:11 AM

Maggie_Luna: Now replace Roma with Jew and you have a lovely pro-Hitler slant going.


Jews aren't a different race either.  Those who practice the Jewish faith do define themselves as a culture but they also seem pretty white to me.  Sure, some of them may have slightly darker skin (like Italians or Spaniards or maybe Arabs) but their culture isn't defined by living in camps and being nomadic and popping out 11 children and leaving one behind because they just couldn't afford bus fare for their 7 month old child.

What about the Roma that have integrated into European society?  Are you saying there aren't any?  Why do some of them cling to the lifestyle of the people involved in this story?

The Roma that have settled down and gotten jobs and blended into European society don't call themselves Roma anymore.  I live in the US.  I don't consider myself European anymore even though that's where my ancestors came from.

So maybe the authorities got it wrong, but still I don't understand how one can have 11 children and just decide to leave one behind because you can't afford it.  What about the other 10 children?  How did they get bus or train tickets back to Bulgaria?

Jews may think of themselves as a different race, but they're really not.  They're human just like the rest of us.  They're Jewish because of their faith and I respect that.  I'm not going to tell them what they should believe.

Roma?  Well, that's not a religion.  It seems to be more of a lifestyle and when that lifestyle extends to human trafficking I'm going to object.  Sorry.

Okay, I'll take a step back before I say something that gets me banned.  All they had to do was go through a legal adoption process and all of this could have been avoided, but the "Roma" seem to want to live outside of the law.
 
2013-10-27 01:59:19 AM

loonatic112358: bud jones: ah, the roma.  the last group it's ok for the eurotrash to be all racist about....

from reading the wiki article on them, they are Europe's other blacks, slavery death on site,sterilized attempts, sheesh


yeah, funny, to anyone not from europe/without this loony anti roma disease, they just look like poor europeans.  but in europe they have less rights than regular people.  strange.

usually these threads bring out quite a few continental (well usually u.k.) nutters, most of 'em on par with the best and worst of our stateside klansmen types.
 
2013-10-27 02:22:51 AM

Oldiron_79: Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners.


Good thing the US and especially Fark is so enlightened that saying terrible things about people from certain places is never known.

Oh, wait, Fark has a Florida tag and there are probably thousands of posts asking for a Texas tag or an Arizona tag.  Why?  Because we're so enlightened we think anyone who lives in certain other places is a dumbass idiot and probably racist too.

I know I've been highly critical of the "Roma" in this thread, but I do not do so because of where they came from or where they live.  I do so because the only people who call themselves "Roma" flout laws and refuse to join civilized society.

I've seen people on Fark mock the Duggars because they had 18 or 19 kids, but at least the Duggars can support them even if they do accept help from donations.

This "Roma" family has 11 kids and they just decided to leave one behind because they couldn't afford her.  There was no legal adoption.  There was obviously no expectation that they'd ever see their 7 month old child again.

When I saw her father interviewed, he wasn't saying how much he wanted to see his daughter again.  He was defending himself.  He was basically saying he would't be living in such a shiathole if he had actually sold his daughter.

Someone who actually cared about his children would be asking how he could get to see his daughter again.
 
2013-10-27 02:44:05 AM

gfid: I didn't read TFA because I've heard enough about both the case in Greece and another in Ireland, but apparently there's more to both stories than someone thinking that Roma people don't have blonde kids.  And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

I actually don't understand why so many Roma haven't just integrated and become non-descript Europeans.  They don't really look different, so I guess it's a cultural thing.

If you're going to adopt a child, do it legally and make sure you have proper documentation.  These seem like cases of someone wanting a child just so they could collect money from the government.


Clearly you haven't read enough. The mother has come forward and outright backed up their story. Ie she asked them too look after her as she couldn't afford to bring up her litter.
 
2013-10-27 02:47:23 AM
I'm just curious as to why the Roma don't use campgrounds or is it because they are not allowed to or can't afford them? The ones I've seen tend to use large municipal parking lots for a day or two before being chased away.
 
2013-10-27 03:06:11 AM

Feel_the_velvet: We were moving a friend out of an apartment.  Had a truck on the street.  A Chicago cop came over and asked us some questions - said they were having a problem with gypsies posing as moving companies and stealing peoples' shiat.

This was in 2001.

Gypsies were still stealing peoples' shiat in 2001!


They are still around today.  Those folks that fix roofs or re-pave your driveway?  Yep.
 
2013-10-27 03:09:51 AM
Has nobody heard of farking albinism? Come on, look at pictures of the older children, especially the teenage boy. It's not mysterious light genes, it's just a family with several albinos.
 
2013-10-27 03:12:05 AM

gfid: Do we consider Italians or Spaniards to be a separate race? Maybe you do, but I don't.


The Roma consider themselves a different race. All the things you cite are because they are a distinct ethnic group and they prefer to keep it that way.

After Hitler got through with the Roma genocide, there were barely enough true Roma people to keep the bloodlines going, and they like being culturally and ethnically distinct from everyone, even at the expense of being considered criminals. As to why they don't "just assimilate", well, I guess you could say the same thing of the Jews or the Kurds. Why don't they just assimilate like everyone else?
 
2013-10-27 03:31:43 AM

adamatari: Well, the New York Times printed an article about how the Romani are primitive criminals, so I guess even getting gassed by Hitler wasn't enough to put them on the "unacceptable to hate publicly" list.

Seriously, if this was 1920 it would be the Jews and homosexuals, but somehow Romani still get shiat on this level? The Greek case is a perfect example - they explained the circumstances, which happened to be true, and yet it's been made out like they were trafficking in children.

I guess they should agitate for a homeland, so the next time they get genocided they can take a turn being in charge. Maybe Hungary.


No thanks, we already have enough of them in Hungary.  Why dont we send them to your place?
 
2013-10-27 04:13:55 AM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???

And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.


Roma Therapy
 
2013-10-27 04:21:50 AM
 
2013-10-27 04:23:51 AM

SwiftFox: 12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,

Yeah, their suspicion is seems to be that a blond-haired blue-eyed baby is obviously too valuable a commodity to have been acquired by a dark Roma family from its mother to be raised for its own sake. We all know how much money appears in a family's finances because of the raising of a child.


LOL, Americans.
 
2013-10-27 04:38:52 AM

log_jammin: whatshisname: Amos Quito: whatshisname: I thought that whole incident was quite racist.


And???

And I am moving to Eastern Europe to start a Roma support group.

Roma Therapy


Bravo!!! +1 Interwebs for you, sir!
 
2013-10-27 04:48:48 AM

Synaesthete: SwiftFox: 12349876: gfid: And in the case from Greece, DNA proved it wasn't their biological daughter and there doesn't seem to be any documentation to back up their story of just helping out a young mother who couldn't care for her newborn daughter.

They found the mother of that kid in Bulgaria, also Roma.  That mother in Bulglaria made the same claim, but authorities are suspecting there was a bit of a financial transaction too,

Yeah, their suspicion is seems to be that a blond-haired blue-eyed baby is obviously too valuable a commodity to have been acquired by a dark Roma family from its mother to be raised for its own sake. We all know how much money appears in a family's finances because of the raising of a child.

LOL, Americans.


I think that last sentence was sarcasm.
 
2013-10-27 05:25:28 AM
I think I was angered by about every 5th or 6th post in this thread. It seems as though many of you aren't capable of reading comprehension or thoughtful dialogue. Why must such willful idiocy exist?

Nevermind, my question clearly isn't capable of being answered intelligently by this crowd.
 
2013-10-27 05:26:31 AM

wildcardjack: I know a young woman with brown hair who started off as a wee blond tyke.




In my family we (me and all my first cousins on my mother's side) all had light blonde hair and very blue eyes until a few years before puberty. All but one of us ended up with lightish brown and green eyes.

I look nothing like my parents. They both have black-brown hair and brown eyes, I have golden brown hair, green eyes. And I have an olive/golden skin tone while theirs is reddish. If I wasn't the spitting image of my mother when she was a kid and every woman going back several generations it would be weird.

/found a picture of my great great grandmother when she was my age
//it's creepy how much we look alike
///REALLY strong genes for a very specific face in my family, thankfully it's a good looking one
 
2013-10-27 05:28:41 AM

Kygz: The Irish.  They're racist as fark against the Romanians.  They're racist against other nationalitites as well, but mainly Roma gypsies and the Chinese smugglers.


I'm Irish, and while I object to your generalisation, I must confess to hating the farking Romas, but we have lots of bleeding-heart liberals here who are now white knighting them after the gardai (police) took those kids away.

I think you're also confusing Roma with Tinkers, tinkers are our own indigenous 'gypsies' (of Snatch fame) and Roma are the ones mentioned in this article, they are in no way related, apart from their penchant for thievery and living in boxes. As mentioned already in this thread, tinkers don't hold a patch on the roma when it comes to warranting hatred, and they're mean boxers.
 
2013-10-27 05:28:59 AM

Dextro: I think I was angered by about every 5th or 6th post in this thread. It seems as though many of you aren't capable of reading comprehension or thoughtful dialogue. Why must such willful idiocy exist?

Nevermind, my question clearly isn't capable of being answered intelligently by this crowd.


fart balls
 
2013-10-27 05:41:14 AM

Wizard Drongo: If only there was some way of registering a child as having been born to you, some official, I dunno, certificate??

Oh, wait, there is.

Roma never use it.  Usually in breach of the local law that specifically requires you to register a birth for this very reason (amongst others).


Gee, I wonder why an ethnic group might not be to comfortable with registering their kids with a European government.
 
2013-10-27 05:46:18 AM

kim jong-un: Gee, I wonder why an ethnic group might not be to comfortable with registering their kids with a European government.


They're more than happy to register with these governments in order to receive fraudulent welfare benefits
 
2013-10-27 06:16:55 AM
It's nice to see that our European friends can be just as racist and ignorant as us Americans.

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
2013-10-27 06:37:18 AM

gfid: Oldiron_79: Its not just gypsies, the europeans say terribly racist things about eastern europeans and middleasterners.

Good thing the US and especially Fark is so enlightened that saying terrible things about people from certain places is never known.

Oh, wait, Fark has a Florida tag and there are probably thousands of posts asking for a Texas tag or an Arizona tag.  Why?  Because we're so enlightened we think anyone who lives in certain other places is a dumbass idiot and probably racist too.

I know I've been highly critical of the "Roma" in this thread, but I do not do so because of where they came from or where they live.  I do so because the only people who call themselves "Roma" flout laws and refuse to join civilized society.

I've seen people on Fark mock the Duggars because they had 18 or 19 kids, but at least the Duggars can support them even if they do accept help from donations.

This "Roma" family has 11 kids and they just decided to leave one behind because they couldn't afford her.  There was no legal adoption.  There was obviously no expectation that they'd ever see their 7 month old child again.

When I saw her father interviewed, he wasn't saying how much he wanted to see his daughter again.  He was defending himself.  He was basically saying he would't be living in such a shiathole if he had actually sold his daughter.

Someone who actually cared about his children would be asking how he could get to see his daughter again.


If I had 10 other little shiats running around I wouldn't be in a big hurry to re-acquire an eleventh.

/pragmatic
 
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