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(Yahoo)   "Who the hell wants to watch a pitcher hit?" asks the lumbering fat-ass with the same defensive range as the Musial statue outside of Busch Stadium   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 57
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2013-10-26 10:56:29 AM  
"Who wants a game that has strategy or excitement. This is baseball dammit!"
 
2013-10-26 11:00:26 AM  
The move to St. Louis means Boston slugger Mike Napoli is on the bench for Game 3 on Saturday night and Ortiz takes over at first base.

Oh, this should be entertaining.  Can't wait for the play that requires a long stretch.
 
2013-10-26 11:03:06 AM  
Thinks you're a pussy
www.inflexwetrust.com
 
2013-10-26 11:05:38 AM  
Isn't this the same shiat we hear every year in the world series....

Just stfu and play.
 
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2013-10-26 11:09:39 AM  
Nice to see that the thought of playing real baseball in front of The Best Fans in Baseball™ is already messing with both of his brain cells.
 
2013-10-26 11:43:51 AM  
I want to see Big Papi playing first base.  THAT will be entertainment.
 
2013-10-26 11:48:40 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I want to see Big Papi playing first base.  THAT will be entertainment.


That's what I think.  Just wait for the off-bag throw that requires a stretch.  Victorino better be prepared to cover.
 
2013-10-26 03:30:10 PM  
Baseball is better with the DH. Deal with it
 
2013-10-26 03:38:49 PM  
Just because he's a lumbering fat-ass with the same defensive range as the Musial statue outside of Busch Stadium doesn't mean he's wrong.
 
2013-10-26 03:45:35 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Baseball is better without the DH. Deal with it


You forgot three important letters.

/In reality, pick one or the other.
 
2013-10-26 03:46:30 PM  
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2013-10-26 03:49:29 PM  
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2013-10-26 03:50:12 PM  
No Hero tag?
 
2013-10-26 03:50:49 PM  

IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: Baseball is better without the DH. Deal with it

You forgot three important letters.

/In reality, pick one or the other.


It's better with the 2 leagues being different.

Now stop that abomination, regular season interleague play.

/adjusts onion on belt
 
2013-10-26 03:51:34 PM  
You want to argue that pitchers shouldn't have to hit, that's fine.  Pitchers have been special snowflakes for over a century.  But letting a guy bat nine innings without taking the field is a crime against God, besides which the DH rule as written is an ugly kludge that artificially restricts managers' flexibility with their lineups.  There has to be a better way.
 
2013-10-26 03:55:29 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: You want to argue that pitchers shouldn't have to hit, that's fine.  Pitchers have been special snowflakes for over a century.  But letting a guy bat nine innings without taking the field is a crime against God, besides which the DH rule as written is an ugly kludge that artificially restricts managers' flexibility with their lineups.  There has to be a better way.


8 batters on a side. Pitcher isnt eligible to bat but nobody bats for him either. Only position players
 
2013-10-26 03:57:05 PM  
It's ok, we learned last year that if you hit good, defensive range doesn't matter. Especially on the corners.
 
2013-10-26 03:59:59 PM  
Each team should only be allowed to carry one pitcher and they should be forced to throw nine innings for each of the 162 games.
 
2013-10-26 04:01:33 PM  
Managers ought to be first and third base coaches as well. And those stupid kids who pick up bats and shag fouls?  Don't get me started.
 
2013-10-26 04:02:25 PM  
While in a vacuum, having the DH is more exciting than having a pitcher bat.  There are other things to think of.

1) The game has a lot more strategy with the pitcher batting.
2) The National League game is generally quicker.

Number 2 is more important.  People try to say time shouldn't matter, but it does.  I've been going to soccer more and more because the game is two hours long.  The games need go faster, or it will continue to lose its audience.  If you can make games average 2.5 hours while keeping the DH, I'll be good to go.
 
2013-10-26 04:03:01 PM  
Infield fly rule?  Stealing bases?  Abominations.
 
2013-10-26 04:06:28 PM  
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2013-10-26 04:11:13 PM  
I don't really have an opinion about DH but I think it's damn silly that a professional sports league has separate rules for each conference. Ban it or impose it on the NL teams.
 
2013-10-26 04:11:26 PM  
As much as I love Papi, I couldn't disagree with him more. I love watching AL pitchers especially try to hit, and I love the PH strategy associated with having that very weak spot in the lineup.  The DH role has allowed some very good players to keep playing well past their prime to inflate their offensive stats, and while that's good for them, it's not necessarily good for baseball. Unfortunately, baseball and most other sports change over time, and it's usually offense that dominates the highlight reels.
 
2013-10-26 04:11:38 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: letting a guy bat nine innings without taking the field is a crime against God


QFT
 
2013-10-26 04:20:05 PM  

dolphkhan: As much as I love Papi, I couldn't disagree with him more. I love watching AL pitchers especially try to hit, and I love the PH strategy associated with having that very weak spot in the lineup.  The DH role has allowed some very good players to keep playing well past their prime to inflate their offensive stats, and while that's good for them, it's not necessarily good for baseball. Unfortunately, baseball and most other sports change over time, and it's usually offense that dominates the highlight reels.


You know, you're right!  I can't remember the last time I saw a great catch highlighted.

/sarcasm
 
2013-10-26 04:23:15 PM  
Do we have to hear this every year at the World Series? Ortiz has played 1b before. He has no range and can't run, but he can still catch.
 
2013-10-26 04:46:09 PM  
I also prefer no DH.  If you can't play defense, get the hell out and be a hitting coach.
 
2013-10-26 04:47:12 PM  
I don't care if they have to put Ortiz in a farking barcalounger at first with his foot simply planted on the bag while he eats cheeseburgers.  You still play him.  He'll score more runs than he'll give up with his defense.

As for who wants to watch pitchers hit?  Plenty I would say given the fact I don't see anyone clamouring for the DH to be added to the NL.  Though I would guess it will happen within the next 5 years or so since the leagues are now more integrated than ever with year-round inter-league play.  And since it's basically an early retirement home for aging all stars that can still swing a bat and not much else I'm surprised the MLBPA hasn't pushed for it more to be honest.
 
2013-10-26 04:49:19 PM  
The DH Rule....because fielding is for pussies.
 
2013-10-26 04:51:37 PM  

salukiboy: While in a vacuum, having the DH is more exciting than having a pitcher bat.  There are other things to think of.

1) The game has a lot more strategy with the pitcher batting.
2) The National League game is generally quicker.

Number 2 is more important.  People try to say time shouldn't matter, but it does.  I've been going to soccer more and more because the game is two hours long.  The games need go faster, or it will continue to lose its audience.  If you can make games average 2.5 hours while keeping the DH, I'll be good to go.


Anecdotally, it does seem that NL games are a bit quicker, but I don't know if the DH is the reason. The DH encourages fewer pitching changes, since there's no incentive to pull your starterafter the fifth rather than have him hit. I guess it ups scoring, which makes the game longer, but it also increases the ratio of action to time, so the game's a little longer but more exciting. No one likes watching relievers warm up. The real way to shoryen games is to stop granting batters time whenever they ask for it, and to enforce the rules on not delaying play on both pitchers and batters (Johnny Gomes, I'm looking at you here).

As for the people arguing about strategy, I don't really think adding one decision per game about when to pull a starter turns the game into a chess match. I'd rathet see a competent hitter, but that's just me.
 
2013-10-26 04:56:24 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: ... I don't see anyone clamouring for the DH to be added to the NL.


You sound British ;-)
 
2013-10-26 04:59:23 PM  

neon_god: Anecdotally, it does seem that NL games are a bit quicker, but I don't know if the DH is the reason.


Instead of anecdotes, here's some data:

http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2012-articles/june/cee-angi.html
 
2013-10-26 05:09:32 PM  
I wish Ortiz would shut up about stuff like this. And I'm a Sox fan.  Immobile players at first base, the World Series, and the Red Sox don't mix very well.

Start Napoli. If the Sox are down after 6 innings, insert Ortiz.
 
2013-10-26 05:12:55 PM  

DeWayne Mann: neon_god: Anecdotally, it does seem that NL games are a bit quicker, but I don't know if the DH is the reason.

Instead of anecdotes, here's some data:

http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2012-articles/june/cee-angi.html


Yep, almost 5 minutes per game (except for the past decade when it was basically even).
 
2013-10-26 05:24:48 PM  
FTFA: ''A little controversy between the leagues is really not all bad,'' Commissioner Bud Selig said in July before the All-Star game.

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-10-26 05:33:07 PM  

WinoRhino: Start Napoli. If the Sox are down after 6 innings, insert Ortiz.


Wouldn't it make more sense to start Ortiz and bring in Napoli as a 'defensive replacement' if the Sox have a lead after 6 innings?  You should always prioritize having a lead and maintaining it over trying to come from behind.

Maybe I'm wrong (and as a Cardinals fan I hope I am) but I don't see how you start a game with Ortiz on the bench.  I don't think he's that big of a liability in the field.
 
2013-10-26 05:44:29 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: WinoRhino: Start Napoli. If the Sox are down after 6 innings, insert Ortiz.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start Ortiz and bring in Napoli as a 'defensive replacement' if the Sox have a lead after 6 innings?  You should always prioritize having a lead and maintaining it over trying to come from behind.

Maybe I'm wrong (and as a Cardinals fan I hope I am) but I don't see how you start a game with Ortiz on the bench.  I don't think he's that big of a liability in the field.


You're probably right, especially since the Cardinals have no lefty starters.
 
2013-10-26 06:15:33 PM  

DeWayne Mann: It's ok, we learned last year that if you hit good, defensive range doesn't matter. Especially on the corners.


It's inconceivable that an aging, creaky Red Sox first baseman could boot a routine grounder in a game as important as the World Series.
 
2013-10-26 06:19:16 PM  

WinoRhino: You're probably right, especially since the Cardinals have no lefty starters.


Only two lefty relievers on the post-season roster, and one (Choate) is basically a one-out guy who isn't usually trusted with pitching to righties any more.  Ortiz will probably bat between a righty (Pedroia Oakenshield) and a switch hitter (Nava).
 
2013-10-26 06:20:12 PM  
The DH is good.
The two leagues having different rules is also good.
 
2013-10-26 06:28:24 PM  

The Bestest: The DH is good.
The two leagues having different rules is also good.


The one problem I have is it can give AL teams an advantage over NL teams when looking for offense via Free Agency.  AL teams are more capable of say, taking on and enticing an Ortiz, Pujols, even Fielder (after a couple more years and cheeseburgers) at this stage in their careers than an NL team.  The team has a spot for them to hit without risking defense, and the player has a place to go that reduces the chance for injury and prolongs their career and earning potential.

I'm not sure it's that much of an advantage, but I know it came up an awful lot when Pujols was getting ready to hit FA.
 
2013-10-26 06:46:51 PM  
Apparently Napoli is taking grounders at third base, a position he hasn't played at in 10 years.

Methinks they're gonna pinch-hit for Drew a lot in STL, stick Napoli at third and move Bogaerts to short.
 
2013-10-26 07:04:42 PM  
Last year, Barry Zito, Ryan Vogelsong and Matt Cain all contributed to the Giants win in the world series with their at bats.

It also stops a lot of throwing at batters if the opposing pitcher is a hardass like Sal Maglie, Don Drysdale, and Early Wynn.
 
2013-10-26 07:14:23 PM  

Northern Claw: Last year, Barry Zito, Ryan Vogelsong and Matt Cain all contributed to the Giants win in the world series with their at bats.

It also stops a lot of throwing at batters if the opposing pitcher is a hardass like Sal Maglie, Don Drysdale, and Early Wynn.


While a pitcher having a productive at-bat can be an exciting thing, the only reason it IS exciting is because it's so rare. Far more often is the case in NL ball that an early game rally is killed because of the automatic out in the 9 slot, or a pitcher is having a great game and is pulled early because of "strategy". Pass.

Like I said, I do -appreciate- the differences in the leagues, but I far prefer the AL.
 
2013-10-26 08:16:00 PM  
this is some of the most bitter infighting I've seen this side of the politics tab
 
2013-10-26 08:23:34 PM  

dolphkhan: I love watching AL pitchers especially try to hit, and I love the PH strategy associated with having that very weak spot in the lineup.


Yep. More variety, more fun to watch.
 
2013-10-26 08:28:20 PM  
The DH allows for older hitters to extend their usefulness once their skills on defense have waned, whereas the NL game is quicker and isn't as burdensome on pitchers.

Frankly, I'm an NL purist, but I like the fact that the leagues retain this one difference. Keep it as it is.
 
2013-10-26 08:36:57 PM  
I hate bunting. Pitchers usually bunt. Get rid of pitchers batting.
 
2013-10-26 11:14:23 PM  

MNguy: Managers ought to be first and third base coaches as well. And those stupid kids who pick up bats and shag fouls?  Don't get me started.


All managers and coaches should lose the uniforms. Looks absurd.
 
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