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(Yahoo)   It may have started as a joke back in January, but maybe we *should* actually build the Death Star   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 62
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2013-10-26 09:57:25 AM
FTA: Zero Hedge portrays Death Star-like projects as misallocations of capital, resources and labor since nobody in the market wants or needs them.

Oh, so the Death Star is sort of like Wall Street?
 
2013-10-26 10:32:39 AM
Government spending in a market based economy is different than government spending in a Soviet style command economy. And VERY importantly government spending in a market based economy HELPS the economy, it doesn't hurt it. This "misallocation of market resources" bullshiat is bullshiat.

/just saying
 
2013-10-26 10:49:36 AM
Or we could take that $850 quadrillion and piss it away on roads, clean energy, medicine, education,...
 
2013-10-26 11:06:32 AM

MayoSlather: FTA: Zero Hedge portrays Death Star-like projects as misallocations of capital, resources and labor since nobody in the market wants or needs them.

Oh, so the Death Star is sort of like Wall Street?


Wall street gave kickass bonuses in civ 2
 
2013-10-26 11:08:43 AM

Voiceofreason01: Government spending in a market based economy is different than government spending in a Soviet style command economy. And VERY importantly government spending in a market based economy HELPS the economy, it doesn't hurt it. This "misallocation of market resources" bullshiat is bullshiat.

/just saying


It depends on the kind of investment.  If we invest in projects that help companies develop new products, either directly or indirectly, that is different from paying people to dig and fill holes all day.  Problem is, if someone has a skill set that can be exploited this way, then chances are they are not exactly hurting for money.
 
2013-10-26 11:14:19 AM
FTA :  there exists enough iron in the Earth's crust to build two billion Death Stars

Holy crap!


And could we call it something else?

I like, Life Moon.
 
2013-10-26 11:15:12 AM
There's no need to actually build a Death Star.  You just have to make the wavering systems believe you have a working Death Star.

You don't have to be able to blow up any planet you want.  You just have to convince people that you could.  Faking it is way cheaper.
 
2013-10-26 11:19:12 AM

TomD9938: FTA :  there exists enough iron in the Earth's crust to build two billion Death Stars

Holy crap!


And could we call it something else?

I like, Life Moon.


That's no moon
 
2013-10-26 11:21:15 AM
The world is farking turning to shiat
The earth don't stand a chance
Hurricane typhoon will destroy the city
We've got to clean up the skies and recycle
We've got to stop the overpopulation
But most important of all
We've got to build a Deth Starr

Deth Starr, it's a farkin' ship
It's a son of a biatch, y'all, and we're building it
It's gonna take us up into the sky
We don't need the earth, we're gonna farkin' fly sky high

Deth Starr is a son of a biatch, y'all
Gonna take us into outer space
Get your shiat together motherfarker
We're gonna start a new human race in the sky
In the sky!
 
2013-10-26 11:23:29 AM
I would be down for a project to build a mini-Death Star that could be used for cutting up androids and transporting the pieces for mining.

It would have to be multi-national, and very long term, and the incidental technological advancement would probably be way more valuable than the end result.

Of course, the words "multi-national" and "long-term" (meaning more than 50 years) absolutely kills the idea.
 
2013-10-26 11:27:11 AM
If the Death Star's first targets are the Obama Administration and Reid and Pelosi get a fully concentrated blast each, I'll donate immediately ..
 
2013-10-26 11:36:09 AM

Voiceofreason01: Government spending in a market based economy is different than government spending in a Soviet style command economy. And VERY importantly government spending in a market based economy HELPS the economy, it doesn't hurt it. This "misallocation of market resources" bullshiat is bullshiat.

/just saying


Until you realize you still have to pay for it down the road....  Which is the exact problem we are in.  People love spending but hating actually paying for it.
 
2013-10-26 11:37:45 AM

TomD9938: FTA :  there exists enough iron in the Earth's crust to build two billion Death Stars

Holy crap!


And could we call it something else?

I like, Life Moon.


Peace Moon

timswar: I would be down for a project to build a mini-Death Star that could be used for cutting up androids and transporting the pieces for mining.


Mr. Data would like a large number of extremely pedantic words with you.
 
2013-10-26 11:39:23 AM

Clemkadidlefark: If the Death Star's first targets are the Obama Administration and Reid and Pelosi get a fully concentrated blast each, I'll donate immediately ..


You're adorable.
 
2013-10-26 11:43:51 AM
Wasn't this called SDI back in the day?
 
2013-10-26 11:44:19 AM
It would make a great long-term goal, like the Pyramids, and the spin-offs from the tech needed would make life awesome. And we really should be thinking about leaving the cradle sooner rather than later. Lastly, we'd make sure those ding-dang Arcturans stay on their side of the fence.
 
2013-10-26 11:45:06 AM

Clemkadidlefark: If the Death Star's first targets are the Obama Administration and Reid and Pelosi get a fully concentrated blast each, I'll donate immediately ..


The hate is strong in this one.
 
2013-10-26 11:48:50 AM

redlegrick: It would make a great long-term goal, like the Pyramids, and the spin-offs from the tech needed would make life awesome. And we really should be thinking about leaving the cradle sooner rather than later. Lastly, we'd make sure those ding-dang Arcturans stay on their side of the fence.


We've mostly been putting our efforts toward building THE Self Aware Colony. But I'm sure we'll get right to work on the bulk matter transmitter after that.
 
2013-10-26 11:52:10 AM
 
2013-10-26 11:52:42 AM

TomD9938: FTA :  there exists enough iron in the Earth's crust to build two billion Death Stars

Holy crap!


And could we call it something else?

I like, Life Moon.


But it's very important to mine asteroids because this rock is running out of resources!

Come on, if you're not laughing at that...
 
2013-10-26 11:54:10 AM
Can we mix the Death Star with Skynet?- because that sounds like a good idea.
 
2013-10-26 11:56:15 AM
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2013-10-26 12:01:05 PM
Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

It is not that far fetched.
 
2013-10-26 12:04:29 PM

knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.


Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?
 
2013-10-26 12:05:31 PM
You mean ridiculous conservatives created a ridiculous hypothetical involving ridiculous amounts of money to make a ridiculous point?

Shocking.
 
2013-10-26 12:08:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-26 12:10:44 PM
www.byhigh.org
Tried to tell us.
 
2013-10-26 12:11:05 PM
I know that this is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but that was the point of the WPA (Works Progress Administration) signed by FDR back in the late 1930's.  It put people to work building things that were not strictly necessary, but nice to have, like cabins in State in Federal parks, for example.  Many of the things done by the WPA are still being used today.  They designed the cabins without 2 meter thermal exaust ports, so they didn't get destroyed.
 
2013-10-26 12:12:22 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?


Why?

Because!
 
2013-10-26 12:16:38 PM
Article mentions 3D printing technology. I predict we will soon see a post in this thread with excessive apostrophes.
 
2013-10-26 12:17:57 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?


Well, actual mental illnesses impair a person's functioning in society -  their ability to maintain relationships, and hold a job and such. People can hold any sort of silly belief so long as it doesn't seriously prevent their functioning in everyday life, and it isn't actually an illness although it might be a warning sign.

<disclaimer>I'm not a medical professional and am not providing medical advice.</disclaimer>
 
2013-10-26 12:19:34 PM
If the author could convince me that every $1 we spend for NASA yields $2 in economic returns, I'd say increase NASA funding until those returns diminish.

What is never calculated though, is how those returns hinder the productive sector.  For example, investing in satellite launches is a wise use of capital. Having private companies do it rather than the federal government is more efficient.  But when the Feds do it, they bark about their stellar ROI, never mind the fact that it could be three or four times as high if the Department of Jobs and Sinecures weren't involved.

And don't tell me long term investments aren't of interest to companies. That's hippy rubbish you heard at a phish concert you lefty
 
2013-10-26 12:20:17 PM

ciberido: Article mentions 3D printing technology. I predict we will soon see a post in this thread with excessive apostrophes.


Too late. The space exploration shaming has already begun.
 
2013-10-26 12:22:20 PM

T-Servo: Wasn't this called SDI back in the day?


Intentionally bringing about Kessler Syndrome isn't the same as pursuing space exploration, it's actually the direct opposite by closing the door to space exploration.
 
2013-10-26 12:24:08 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?


www.classictv.info
Hey, we should've had freaking jumpsuits with zippers on the sleeves like 14 years ago! And disco-powered eagles...
 
2013-10-26 12:33:21 PM

nickdaisy: If the author could convince me that every $1 we spend for NASA yields $2 in economic returns, I'd say increase NASA funding until those returns diminish.

What is never calculated though, is how those returns hinder the productive sector.  For example, investing in satellite launches is a wise use of capital. Having private companies do it rather than the federal government is more efficient.  But when the Feds do it, they bark about their stellar ROI, never mind the fact that it could be three or four times as high if the Department of Jobs and Sinecures weren't involved.

And don't tell me long term investments aren't of interest to companies. That's hippy rubbish you heard at a phish concert you lefty


Except rockets capable of satellite launches have *other* uses that may or may not be kosher to have out in the private sector. And you just know the first person they'd lay off would be the guy to call up Russia and tell them "please don't shoot the nukes, we're just putting up a new TV satellite."
 
2013-10-26 12:45:01 PM
FTA ... the steel itself would take 833,315 years to produce at current rates of production.


Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out Mao was right?
 
2013-10-26 12:48:31 PM
FTFA:On the technology side, we would at least need multi-use lifters

My first job was programming multi-use lifters.
 
2013-10-26 12:52:38 PM

GoodOmens: Voiceofreason01: Government spending in a market based economy is different than government spending in a Soviet style command economy. And VERY importantly government spending in a market based economy HELPS the economy, it doesn't hurt it. This "misallocation of market resources" bullshiat is bullshiat.

/just saying

Until you realize you still have to pay for it down the road....  Which is the exact problem we are in.  People love spending but hating actually paying for it.


It comes with a mountain of qualifications and stipulations (also government spending does not necessarily have to exceed it's revenue) but in a general sense government spending i.e. financing building projects, research, etc is a good thing. Which is opposed to the original article that this whole "build a death star" thing came from which was arguing the opposite(reductio ad absurdum).
 
2013-10-26 12:56:42 PM

timswar: I would be down for a project to build a mini-Death Star that could be used for cutting up androids and transporting the pieces for mining.

It would have to be multi-national, and very long term, and the incidental technological advancement would probably be way more valuable than the end result.

Of course, the words "multi-national" and "long-term" (meaning more than 50 years) absolutely kills the idea.


I presume that you meant "asteroids", and that auto-correct served up "androids".

Anyway, Stewart Cowley from the Terran Trade Authority called and left a message for you.

i.imgur.com

PC1 191 Gourmet

i.imgur.com

AC3 Stag Beetle

/yes, I am old
 
2013-10-26 12:57:45 PM
Ironic that the author's support of the Death Star project used the Chewbacca defense.

He was all over the place. Still not sure what his point was.
 
2013-10-26 12:59:21 PM

T-Servo: Quantum Apostrophe: knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?

[www.classictv.info image 400x300]
Hey, we should've had freaking jumpsuits with zippers on the sleeves like 14 years ago! And disco-powered eagles...


Hey, at least we have Ann Coulter's cooch

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-26 01:03:05 PM
nickdaisy:  For example, investing in satellite launches is a wise use of capital. Having private companies do it rather than the federal government is more efficient. 

And don't tell me long term investments aren't of interest to companies.


all that's even more wrong than your claim that people actually like Phish
 
2013-10-26 01:04:36 PM

Voiceofreason01: nickdaisy:  For example, investing in satellite launches is a wise use of capital. Having private companies do it rather than the federal government is more efficient. 

And don't tell me long term investments aren't of interest to companies.

all that's even more wrong than your claim that people actually like Phish


oops, missed. satellite launches are OK, you're like of shiatty alternative music and sophomoric understanding of economics is not.
 
2013-10-26 01:16:30 PM

Quantum Tourist: Ironic that the author's support of the Death Star project used the Chewbacca defense.

He was all over the place. Still not sure what his point was.


I got a few paragraphs in and realized it was boring, stupid, based on a stupid premise and going nowhere.

Yahoo links very rarely provide anything of value to me and I should have known that going in.
 
2013-10-26 01:27:42 PM
Honestly, the best research we can do right now is reducing the cost per pound for lift. It's not exciting or overly sexy to run efficiency tests with thousands of drag models, but in 20 years, it would be yielding HUGE returns.

Getting to orbit cheaper means that getting to the moon is cheaper which means that getting past the moon is cheaper which means that getting past the solar system is cheaper.
 
2013-10-26 01:44:01 PM
I support it, but this time, we need to make it fail-safe.
 
2013-10-26 01:49:44 PM

ciberido: Article mentions 3D printing technology. I predict we will soon see a post in this thread with excessive apostrophes.


Quantum Apostrophe: knowless: Single issue man; moon base, I'm not even joking any more, this needs to happen. I wouldn't care about anything else if i could just get off this rock.

Why? What for? You realize it's not going to be anything at all like in fiction, right?

And why isn't that considered a mental illness?


Do I win a prize?  Can I get it 3-d printed?
 
2013-10-26 01:52:31 PM

Ghastly: FTFA:On the technology side, we would at least need multi-use lifters

My first job was programming multi-use lifters.


...very similar to your vaporators.  You could say...
 
2013-10-26 02:07:08 PM
... Because public works aimed at revitalizing our failing infrastructure is gay socialism?
 
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