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(CBS Chicago)   A study of teenage emergency room visits shows gunshots are the leading cause of childhood death and serious injury in the United States. How much more data is needed to convince people that the right thing to do is to ban all emergency rooms?   (chicago.cbslocal.com ) divider line
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2013-10-26 08:32:25 AM  
Dead kids are just the price we pay for the right to bear arms. And since they've died as a result of our permissive attitude towards firearms, if we were to start restricting firearm ownership, then those kids will have died in vain. That would be the real tragedy, if you ask me.
 
2013-10-26 08:41:53 AM  
Stats like this are kind of misleading...  it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids.  You basically have murder, suicide, and vehicle accidents.  It's not like heart disease or cancer is hitting 16 yr olds.  Just about anything that a teenager dies from will be abnormal.
 
2013-10-26 08:54:41 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Stats like this are kind of misleading...  it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids.  You basically have murder, suicide, and vehicle accidents.  It's not like heart disease or cancer is hitting 16 yr olds.  Just about anything that a teenager dies from will be abnormal.


Tell that to all the kids that are dying of cancer.  I personally know of 2 kids that died of cancer,  one was a 5 year old and the other was 15.
 
2013-10-26 09:09:08 AM  
I would like to see some stats other than percentages. Something like this would be helpful to know the real scope of the issue.

http://curechildhoodcancer.ning.com/page/facts-1
 
2013-10-26 09:11:11 AM  

TNel: CPT Ethanolic: Stats like this are kind of misleading...  it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids.  You basically have murder, suicide, and vehicle accidents.  It's not like heart disease or cancer is hitting 16 yr olds.  Just about anything that a teenager dies from will be abnormal.

Tell that to all the kids that are dying of cancer.  I personally know of 2 kids that died of cancer,  one was a 5 year old and the other was 15.


 This is a statistical analysis of leading causes of death/injury in teenagers.  Teenagers also die from falling coconuts, but not frequently enough to be part of this conversation.
 
2013-10-26 09:11:53 AM  

Kome: Dead kids are just the price we pay for the right to bear arms.


We could bring back playgrounds, jarts, bike riding without helmets, drinking from the hose and other high risk activities and make it look better by comparison.
 
2013-10-26 09:12:51 AM  

TNel: I would like to see some stats other than percentages. Something like this would be helpful to know the real scope of the issue.

http://curechildhoodcancer.ning.com/page/facts-1


  I also didn't see any mention of whether they're including suicide in these gun stats.  Big difference when you include it in overall numbers.  What we call "gun deaths" in the US are around 50% suicides.
 
2013-10-26 09:15:25 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: This is a statistical analysis of leading causes of death/injury in teenagers. Teenagers also die from falling coconuts, but not frequently enough to be part of this conversation.



13,000 new cases every year and 20% mortality rate so 2,600 deaths a year from cancer, that's a lot of coconuts.
 
2013-10-26 09:23:09 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Stats like this are kind of misleading...  it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids.  You basically have murder, suicide, and vehicle accidents.  It's not like heart disease or cancer is hitting 16 yr olds.  Just about anything that a teenager dies from will be abnormal.


How is that misleading though? "A subgroup of the general population die at this overall rate, here are a list of reasons why they die in descending order of frequency" is about as plain a fact as you can find in epidemiological research. Just because the incidence of particular causes of death for kids isn't identical to what it is for adults or the elderly doesn't make them any less dead, nor should that deter us from trying to figure out ways to lessen the deaths of children. I am genuinely stumped as to why you feel it's misleading.
 
2013-10-26 09:32:24 AM  
Emergency room visits in Chicago. Got it.
 
2013-10-26 09:41:14 AM  
Maybe if those kids learned to stay in their lucky spot on the milk crate so Junior doesn't get passed by Jimmie Johnson on the last lap those kids would stay un-shot.
 
2013-10-26 10:12:23 AM  
The leading cause of death of my happiness is Fark gun threads.
 
2013-10-26 10:17:21 AM  
Clearly we need to ban video games.
 
2013-10-26 10:23:26 AM  

Kome: Dead kids are just the price we pay for the right to bear arms. And since they've died as a result of our permissive attitude towards firearms, if we were to start restricting firearm ownership, then those kids will have died in vain. That would be the real tragedy, if you ask me.


because gang/drug violence and suicide are unrelated and would probably go away on their own if we banned all guns.
 
2013-10-26 10:26:07 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids


Wish to try again?
 
2013-10-26 10:32:34 AM  
I vote we ban teenagers.
 
2013-10-26 10:41:08 AM  

edmo: Kome: Dead kids are just the price we pay for the right to bear arms.

We could bring back playgrounds, jarts, bike riding without helmets, drinking from the hose and other high risk activities and make it look better by comparison.


Anything to make the youth of today less of a bunch of pussies, I say.
 
2013-10-26 10:45:25 AM  
Acceptable collateral damage.
 
2013-10-26 11:27:41 AM  
If the emergency room had a gun, too, it could just shoot the bullet right out of the teenager.  So, we actually need more guns.
 
2013-10-26 11:29:43 AM  
IIRC "children" in this case extends to age 19. You are welcome to substitute "leading cause of death of 15 to 19 year old gang bangers" for "leading cause of death of children" if you wish.
 
2013-10-26 11:31:16 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: If the emergency room had a gun, too, it could just shoot the bullet right out of the teenager.  So, we actually need more guns.


I think I've found Wayne LaPierre's FARK handle
 
2013-10-26 11:39:56 AM  

smells_like_meat: IIRC "children" in this case extends to age 19. You are welcome to substitute "leading cause of death of 15 to 19 year old gang bangers" for "leading cause of death of children" if you wish.


You are aware of what the word "teenage" means, right?
 
2013-10-26 11:40:02 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: TNel: I would like to see some stats other than percentages. Something like this would be helpful to know the real scope of the issue.

http://curechildhoodcancer.ning.com/page/facts-1

  I also didn't see any mention of whether they're including suicide in these gun stats.  Big difference when you include it in overall numbers.  What we call "gun deaths" in the US are around 50% suicides.


2/3rds, actually. On average 10k homicides with a firearm, 20k suicides annually.
 
2013-10-26 11:43:32 AM  
Here, let me pull up some stats I have handy for accidents.

i.imgur.comi.imgur.com

The rate is 0.19 for accidental firearm deaths aged 0-19.

i.imgur.com

The rate is 0.22 for accidental falling deaths aged 0-19.
i.imgur.com
The rate is 1.36 for accidental drowning deaths aged 0-19.


In short, gravity and water kill more kids by accident.
 
2013-10-26 11:44:37 AM  
Clearly, the solution is to ban kids from dying.
 
2013-10-26 11:45:44 AM  
Did kids stop dying in car accidents recently? Last I checked that was about 70%.
 
2013-10-26 11:46:06 AM  
Why can't we have sensible gun laws like Switzerland?
 
2013-10-26 11:46:52 AM  
Oh, don't forget to ban science and those damn scientists, always with their data showing crap we don't like!
 
2013-10-26 11:50:56 AM  

BayouOtter: Here, let me pull up some stats I have handy for accidents.

[i.imgur.com image 483x957][i.imgur.com image 474x925]

The rate is 0.19 for accidental firearm deaths aged 0-19.

[i.imgur.com image 491x400]

The rate is 0.22 for accidental falling deaths aged 0-19.
[i.imgur.com image 491x416]
The rate is 1.36 for accidental drowning deaths aged 0-19.


In short, gravity and water kill more kids by accident.


yes but most cases the kids die before they made it to the ER so I wouldn't count in the study
 
2013-10-26 11:51:04 AM  
Well, lets make a quick check.

i.imgur.comi.imgur.com

Nope, it looks like transportation deaths are more serious. Try again.
 
2013-10-26 11:51:10 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: TNel: CPT Ethanolic: Stats like this are kind of misleading...  it's not like there's a lot of causes of deaths for kids.  You basically have murder, suicide, and vehicle accidents.  It's not like heart disease or cancer is hitting 16 yr olds.  Just about anything that a teenager dies from will be abnormal.

Tell that to all the kids that are dying of cancer.  I personally know of 2 kids that died of cancer,  one was a 5 year old and the other was 15.

 This is a statistical analysis of leading causes of death/injury in teenagers.  Teenagers also die from falling coconuts, but not frequently enough to be part of this conversation.


Look, obviously the problem is that we need to ban all statistics. In fact, let's just get rid of math altogether.
 
2013-10-26 11:51:34 AM  
Guns don't kill people; people kill guns.

/And now, the weather...
 
2013-10-26 11:52:08 AM  

Saiga410: BayouOtter: Here, let me pull up some stats I have handy for accidents.

[i.imgur.com image 483x957][i.imgur.com image 474x925]

The rate is 0.19 for accidental firearm deaths aged 0-19.

[i.imgur.com image 491x400]

The rate is 0.22 for accidental falling deaths aged 0-19.
[i.imgur.com image 491x416]
The rate is 1.36 for accidental drowning deaths aged 0-19.


In short, gravity and water kill more kids by accident.

yes but most cases the kids die before they made it to the ER so I wouldn't count in the study


So its alright if kids die, as long as they do it before reaching the emergency room?
 
2013-10-26 11:53:56 AM  

BayouOtter: Saiga410: BayouOtter: Here, let me pull up some stats I have handy for accidents.

[i.imgur.com image 483x957][i.imgur.com image 474x925]

The rate is 0.19 for accidental firearm deaths aged 0-19.

[i.imgur.com image 491x400]

The rate is 0.22 for accidental falling deaths aged 0-19.
[i.imgur.com image 491x416]
The rate is 1.36 for accidental drowning deaths aged 0-19.


In short, gravity and water kill more kids by accident.

yes but most cases the kids die before they made it to the ER so I wouldn't count in the study

So its alright if kids die, as long as they do it before reaching the emergency room?


If it justifies my bias you sure as shiat it is
 
2013-10-26 11:55:16 AM  
Guns: Making it easier to off yourself since 1776.
 
2013-10-26 11:56:23 AM  
Whats the average age of a gang member?

Was Kellerman involved in the study?
 
2013-10-26 11:58:51 AM  

WhackingDay: Oh, don't forget to ban science and those damn scientists, always with their data showing crap we don't like!


No need to bother. When the data doesn't fit your narrative you can filter it until it does (i.e. the headline) or just pretend the data says something else with no explanation.
 
2013-10-26 11:59:29 AM  
Let's double down, shall we?

Gangs and gang related violence drive gun statistics.  Gangs are widely known to be a problem in every major city.  A majority of the traditional 'national' gangs in the US started as Community groups.  Clearly, Community groups and Community Organizers should be held accountable for the scourge our nation is currently dealing with.

Imagine what wonderful things would occur if you could clean up the gang problem.  You'd have youth who live 3 blocks away from the ocean actually be able to visit the ocean in their lifetime without risking death.  *Pulled directly from an interview w/ a gang member in California, had never stepped foot off of his gang's territory.*

Illegal Drug distribution would be crippled.
Violence would be curtailed as folks no longer kill over drug revenue turf and other things like 'reputation', 'respect'
Kids could actually go to the park without fear of being victims in a driveby.
Street art would subsequently flourish as graffiti becomes -street art- rather than turf tagging.
Our Correctional System would be less burdened.
Literacy would increase as children in currently 'gang saturated' environments no longer get lured into the drug trade by the promise of quick cash and 'respect'

The list goes on and on, solve Gangs to reduce/resolve a large number of problems.
 
2013-10-26 11:59:33 AM  
that's probably because kids are so fat and lazy nowadays they never can get killed riding a bike or climbing a tree, sneaking on a roof of a commercial building, building a raft out of sticks and garbage and going down a river, swinging on a rope swing, ice skating, riding a dirtbike, messing with wild animals, building a treehouse, climbing rocks, using fireworks, eating random berries in the woods, sliding down a big hill, jumping in a pile of leaves, playing with fire...
 
2013-10-26 12:00:37 PM  

TNel: CPT Ethanolic: This is a statistical analysis of leading causes of death/injury in teenagers. Teenagers also die from falling coconuts, but not frequently enough to be part of this conversation.


13,000 new cases every year and 20% mortality rate so 2,600 deaths a year from cancer, that's a lot of coconuts.


Swallows don't have opposable thumbs. They can't properly tie creeper strands as a result.
 
2013-10-26 12:01:21 PM  

Strix occidentalis: Guns don't kill people; people kill guns.

/And now, the weather...


This.  Guns don't kill people, guns are people my friend.
 
2013-10-26 12:02:14 PM  

BayouOtter: CPT Ethanolic: TNel: I would like to see some stats other than percentages. Something like this would be helpful to know the real scope of the issue.

http://curechildhoodcancer.ning.com/page/facts-1

  I also didn't see any mention of whether they're including suicide in these gun stats.  Big difference when you include it in overall numbers.  What we call "gun deaths" in the US are around 50% suicides.

2/3rds, actually. On average 10k homicides with a firearm, 20k suicides annually.


It should be mentioned that it's not reasonable to just write off firearms suicides as not relevant because "they'd just kill themselves another way if guns were banned". Study after study has shown that  people with access to firearms are more likely to kill themselves. Why? because about 85% of firearms suicide attempts are fatal, while other methods are far, far lower (attempts by deliberate overdose or cutting your wrists are both fatal less than 5% of the time). Most people who attempt suicide do so impulsively rather than as part of some thought-out plan and aren't likely to try again if they survive it.

From an NY times article:

Even though guns account for less than 1 percent of all American suicide attempts, their extreme fatality rate - anywhere from 85 percent and 92 percent, depending on how the statistics are compiled - means that they account for 54 percent of all completions. In 2005, the last year for which statistics are available, that translated into about 17,000 deaths. Public-health officials like Hemenway can point to a mountain of research going back 40 years that shows that the incidence of firearm suicide runs in close parallel with the prevalence of firearms in a community. In a 2007 study that grouped the 15 states with the highest rate of gun ownership alongside the six states with the lowest (each group had a population of about 40 million), Hemenway and his associates found that when it came to all nonfirearm methods, the two populations committed suicide in nearly equal numbers. The more than three-times-greater prevalence of firearms in the "high gun" states, however, translated into a more than three-times-greater incidence of firearm suicides, which in turn translated into an annual suicide rate nearly double that of the "low gun" states.

tl;dr: strict gun control laws halve the number of suicides in a state.
 
2013-10-26 12:02:44 PM  
FTFA:  "In penetrating trauma like a gunshot wound, what happens is there is a projectile that passes through the tissues of your body and as it passes through tissues of your body it can cause injuries to multiple areas," said James Doherty, director of trauma care at Advocate Christ Medical Center.

He sees the problem coming from young people now willing to resolve conflict through firearms.



Holy crap, this guy is a genius.  I wonder if he knows what happened to the sandwich I left in the fridge at work that just disappeared.  I am still puzzled about it.
 
2013-10-26 12:02:48 PM  
Clearly now is the time for the GOP/Right to come to the table prepared to talk about how to massage or negate stats to avoid talking about doing something about what causes these stats.
 
2013-10-26 12:03:16 PM  

edmo: Kome: Dead kids are just the price we pay for the right to bear arms.

We could bring back playgrounds, jarts, bike riding without helmets, drinking from the hose and other high risk activities and make it look better by comparison.


you forgot lawn darts
 
2013-10-26 12:07:47 PM  
Gunther:
It should be mentioned that it's not reasonable to just write off firearms suicides as not relevant because "they'd just kill themselves another way if guns were banned". Study after study has shown that  people with access to firearms are more likely to kill themselves. Why? because about 85% of firearms suicide attempts are fatal, while other methods are far, far lower (attempts by deliberate overdose or cutting your wrists are both fatal less than 5% of the time). Most people who attempt suicide do so impulsively rather than as part of some thought-out plan and aren't likely to try again if they survive it.

From an NY times article:


Here is a paper which claims the opposite. Good luck reconciling a newspaper article with an academic paper.
 
2013-10-26 12:07:57 PM  

BayouOtter: Well, lets make a quick check.

[i.imgur.com image 375x284][i.imgur.com image 341x299]


Nope, it looks like transportation deaths are more serious. Try again.


Yeah but how many of those numbers are from gun-cars thus falsly increasing one or both data samples?

QED motherfarker!!! Your number-fu doesn't fool me.


www.guns.com


/statistics thread!

//throws math pie

 
2013-10-26 12:09:27 PM  

smells_like_meat: IIRC "children" in this case extends to age 19.


And who gives a shiat about dead adults? No-one, that's who.
 
2013-10-26 12:11:13 PM  

Gunther: tl;dr: strict gun control laws halve the number of suicides in a state.


The states with the most gun ownership are pretty bleak and depressing places to live....whos only extracurricular activity is consuming large amounts of liquid depressant.

I also think we should have a national assisted suicide program, whatever happened to "keep your laws off my body"? Why shouldn't people be allowed to kill themselves?
 
2013-10-26 12:14:41 PM  

mrshowrules: Strix occidentalis: Guns don't kill people; people kill guns.

/And now, the weather...

This.  Guns don't kill people, guns are people my friend.


www.topatoco.com
 
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