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2013-10-26 11:01:17 AM  

thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?


I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.
 
2013-10-26 11:02:54 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


You used to be sane.  Now I have to put you on the list.  Bye, DIA.
 
2013-10-26 11:03:46 AM  
Make that two decades.  Need to proofread.
 
2013-10-26 11:05:33 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


We're reading an article about how concerning it is that the First Lady attended college with a guy that runs a company that was awarded a no-bid contract, and you're pretending that no one should have raised an eyebrow at many no-bid contracts being awarded to the company the VP used to run. Wow. That's some first-class disingenuousness (disingenuity? Whatever, you get my point).
 
2013-10-26 11:11:30 AM  

Infernalist: You used to be sane. Now I have to put you on the list. Bye, DIA.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Later, weakness.

thurstonxhowell: We're reading an article about how concerning it is that the First Lady attended college with a guy that runs a company that was awarded a no-bid contract, and you're pretending that no one should have raised an eyebrow at many no-bid contracts being awarded to the company the VP used to run


Did you notice the link posted at 10:24:47? Probably not. Since you didn't, I guess it's safe to assume that you have no idea how the process was continued. And if you noticed the link posted at 10:49:34 you would understand a little more.

And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.
 
2013-10-26 11:13:00 AM  
Michelle Obama
was in A Mother's Promise
with David Strathairn
who was in The River Wild
with Kevin Bacon.
 
2013-10-26 11:13:21 AM  
Has Mooshelle or Gaffey Joe ever worked at the firm in question?

If not, false equivalence is false.
 
2013-10-26 11:19:03 AM  
The comments are awesome.  We could call this Obamacarewebsitegate but no scandal should have more than three syllables.

When the story first broke that the web site was not working, and it was determined that the Canadian company CGI was given the contract, some article on a Canadian web site stated that the contract was awarded to CGI because they already had previous existing contracts with the U.S. government building other web sites, established during the previous (Bush) administration, and the timeframe to get the site up and running was too short to go through the slow bidding process.  The article went on to say, that based on previous experience, someone made the decision to go with CGI.

The article stated or implied that CGI offshores (Asia) its development.

I'm unable to find citations for the preceding.  Perhaps readers can help.  But if true, it certainly debunks the article, although that would take some reason-for-living away from the Obama haters.

I suspect that I too have a classmate (==someone from the same University who graduated in the same year) at CGI.  At present, I have no idea who that might be.
 
2013-10-26 11:21:12 AM  
Hold on, now:  are they seriously drawing a scandal from the fact that the First Lady and this other lady got a degree from the same big-name university?

Is this one of those Bilderberg Skull-n-Bones type theories where Internet nutballs think Ivy-League schools are secret societies where everyone is branded with Masonic signs?
 
2013-10-26 11:23:28 AM  
Do people still believe the lie that the website cost $678 million?
 
2013-10-26 11:26:52 AM  

Doc Lee: Do people still believe the lie that the website cost $678 million?


Last time I had to interact with a certain teabagger relative he mentioned the $200 million per day trip to India the First Lady took.  My guess is that yes, people still believe the website cost $678 million.
 
2013-10-26 11:28:07 AM  
 
2013-10-26 11:31:53 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Did you notice the link posted at 10:24:47? Probably not. Since you didn't, I guess it's safe to assume that you have no idea how the process was continued. And if you noticed the link posted at 10:49:34 you would understand a little more.

And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.


I get that it continued. That's completely beside the point. At that time, those contracts were going to a company when their former CEO was a sitting VP. I'll grant that that doesn't mean any wrongdoing necessarily occurred, but was everyone supposed to just pretend that doesn't look a little crooked? Am I supposed to at once pretend that the First Lady maybe possibly having met a CEO a few decades ago is cause for concern in one case, but that the VP actually himself being that CEO in another is not?
 
2013-10-26 11:34:06 AM  
I heard that MOOchelle sent pallets containing literally billions of dollars in cash to this former classmate, to be stored in her garage, and then oops--poof!--they were gone!  Nobody knows what happened!  We'll start an investigation!

And the conclusion of the investigation was "PASS THE BACON".
 
2013-10-26 11:35:11 AM  
 
2013-10-26 11:35:27 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 406x480]


The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!

How many assholes do we have on this thread anyhow?

YO!

I knew it i'm surrounded by assholes...

KEEP TYPING ASSHOLES! :-D


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-26 11:44:28 AM  

thurstonxhowell: That's completely beside the point


Which brings us full circle.

Dancin_In_Anson: I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.

 
2013-10-26 11:44:44 AM  

GoldSpider: For anyone who really cares about the actual (current) cost figures:

CGI Federal has been paid $112 million for its work on the Web site so far... Moreover, the federal government has obligated $196 million, so the tab could certainly run that high if CGI submits the bills.


FTA - To sum up: The floor for spending on the Web site to date appears to be at least $170 million, with an upward potential of nearly $300 million.

Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!

/rolls eyes...
 
2013-10-26 11:45:20 AM  

hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?
Really?

Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

[25twofour.files.wordpress.com image 410x311]

Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.


Yeah you know people really hate Haliburton and "bribes" and all that in Iraq but their subsidiary KBR (I might have the facts wrong) did a damn fine job getting good food into very difficult places and frankly there's no other way to do it than bribe the locals.  What we call bribes they call business.  I'm not sure what other company could do it.  Pretty sure "no bid" really was "nobody else bid" in many cases.
 
2013-10-26 11:51:13 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: That's completely beside the point

Which brings us full circle.

Dancin_In_Anson: I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


Yes, the presence of a former CEO of a company being awarded multi-billion dollar contracts is unique to the Bush administration. If you would like me to address other issues of that occurring, I would not be able to do so. Would you like a farking cookie? You were the one who brought up historical examples of no-bid contracts being awarded. If you thought that mentioning them was verboten, you probably shouldn't have done that.

How about you say what your thoughts on the article are? Is it cause for concern that 4 years before the fall of the Berlin Wall the First Lady might have met a CEO of a company awarded a no-bid contract?

If your concern is merely that the website does not work, then I agree. If your concern is this bullshiat.... well, I know I'm not supposed to directly insult other users on this site, so I'll leave it to you to imagine the rest of that sentence.
 
2013-10-26 11:53:39 AM  

Bloody William: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?

Michelle Obama and an SVP of CGI were bother black and in Princeton at the same year. Seriously, that's the only connection. Same year, both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni


The Daily Caller:  Six degrees to derperation.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:03 AM  
So being in the same class of a big name university is the same as being the former CEO of the company you're now contracting for.  This thread has gone full retard.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:19 AM  

markfara: bulldg4life: What are the chances there is someone that was at Princeton at the same time as Michelle in a dozen different huge tech development firms?

I mean, I'm willing to bet you could find a link to Obama and Harvard, too.

That being said, the website has been a big failure with political delays, organizational issues, and idiotic programming that seems to have been thrown together at the last minute.

I got signed up just fine.


I have healthcare so I didn't actually sign up but I went there and started the process to see what it was like.  It worked just fine.  Here's some general comments though including a few that I think people are really afraid to talk about.

1. In general it's not good for "perusing" possible health plans.  It's built around the idea that the reason you are going there is to sign up not to "browse".  So you have to give them all your personal info before you get to the brass tacks of a "quote".  Big deal.
2. I had a hard time getting specifics of what was/was not covered at each "level".  Or what was or wasn't eligible for HSA.  I tried a commercial website for individual coverage and had a much better browsing experience to get ballpark figures and better explanation.  Big deal.
3. Nobody is saying this but you know what?  Signing up for benefits is hard.  It's hard when you get a job, it's hard when you change jobs.  There's lots of info you have to sift through and documents to provide. Frankly many (most?) of the individuals trying to sign up are low income, low education, not tech savvy, etc.  Many are marginally literate, don't regularly use websites to shop, etc.  Plus they just aren't used to signing up for this kind of stuff.  It would not surprise me that they get confused, frustrated, etc because they are left to try to sign up for this themselves rather than other government programs or at their employer where there is always an "office" somewhere with some kind of person to walk you through the process and help you.  WIC for instance has an office.  Companies have HR.  This doesn't strike me as having anything but a "mandate" to "gitter done".  I know some towns etc have set up places for people to go but I'm not aware of any systemic government office someone can go to in order to get help.  There's an 800 number but that's not how people are used to interacting with this kind of complicated process.
4. States that actually took this responsibility on seem to be fairing way way better.  It addresses my issues in item 3.

In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest.  Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:23 AM  
They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.
 
2013-10-26 11:59:36 AM  

brandent: In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest. Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.


And they predicted, correctly, that their constituents would not blame them for failing to prepare the state exchanges or expanding Medicare, but instead blame Obama entirely for their inaction.
 
2013-10-26 12:01:19 PM  

born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.


"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.
 
2013-10-26 12:01:23 PM  

born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.


But der interwebs page thingee don't werk!!!!!!
 
2013-10-26 12:08:05 PM  

born_yesterday: brandent: In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest. Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.

And they predicted, correctly, that their constituents would not blame them for failing to prepare the state exchanges or expanding Medicare, but instead blame Obama entirely for their inaction.


To be fair, the people who blame Obama for their state's inaction are the same people who would hate him regardless.  25% of the voter base will never give him the benefit of the doubt for anything, so screw em and forget about em.
 
2013-10-26 12:09:40 PM  

brandent: born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.

"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.


I didn't realize the Untouchables was obscure.
 
2013-10-26 12:11:58 PM  

hasty ambush: George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal's parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

Quid pro quo Clarice?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x291]


Looks like CGI spreads it round pretty evenly.,

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00354241&cycle=2012 ">https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00354241&cycle=20 12
 
2013-10-26 12:12:55 PM  
Deep dish pizza?
 
2013-10-26 12:15:05 PM  

hasty ambush: Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.


That does not appear to be the case this time.

Naturally, that won't matter to Obama supporters.
 
2013-10-26 12:16:35 PM  

Yeah_Right: Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!


Lying about the cost doesn't do your side any favors.
 
2013-10-26 12:18:53 PM  
Eventually, the site will work consistently well and conservatives will keep whining about it being completely nonfunctional. The people who get their insurance, get good coverage with lower premiums and subsidies to help will probably wonder why right-wingers are still biatching about it.
 
2013-10-26 12:20:15 PM  
170 billion dollars, and that is just for the fonts they didn't even use.    They are not using the most patriotic fonts on purpose and bought them out so no one else will be able to do so in their websites.
 
2013-10-26 12:22:19 PM  
I'm not even saying "eventually" in some starry-eyed faith that it will happen one day down the line. I mean it seems that the site is working better and better after the initial launch and pretty soon difficulties will be in line with... well, any other major service site.
 
2013-10-26 12:22:58 PM  

GoldSpider: Yeah_Right: Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!

Lying about the cost doesn't do your side any favors.


#1 - I don't have a 'side' ... UHC is a good thing - but this convoluted plan is a cluster-fark.
#2 - The $170 million  was a quote from the article that the poster had cited ... might want to back and read it before you snark.
 
2013-10-26 12:25:02 PM  

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


It's a season that it usually warm and known for vacations but that's not important right now.
 
2013-10-26 12:27:12 PM  
I think the bigger news here is that Princeton apparently relocated to Chicago in secret.
 
2013-10-26 12:27:43 PM  
After the Halliburton-Cheney ran the Iraq War into the ground, complaints of cronyism are farking laughable.
 
2013-10-26 12:34:51 PM  
Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?
 
2013-10-26 12:50:46 PM  

Infernalist: Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.

You used to be sane.  Now I have to put you on the list.  Bye, DIA.


No he wasn't.
 
2013-10-26 12:52:31 PM  

brandent: born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.

"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.


Parodying a famous movie quote is trolling now? Jesus farking Christ.
 
2013-10-26 12:54:54 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Deep dish pizza?


Terrible quarterbacks.
 
2013-10-26 12:57:52 PM  

Target Builder: Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?


I'm even more interested in how you go from Peace Corps to stay at home mom to top executive at a big computer company. That was some makeover!
 
2013-10-26 12:59:08 PM  

Fart_Machine: So being in the same class of a big name university is the same as being the former CEO of the company you're now contracting for.  This thread has gone full retard.


It was congenitally deformed. No limbs, heart on the outside of its body, tiny reptilian remnant of a brain. It never had a chance.
 
2013-10-26 01:01:00 PM  

Notabunny: The Daily Caller. Digging down deep, to get to the bottom, to stay on top.


What's really sinister is how they managed to remotely mindmeld with the administration and cause it to do this against their will just so they could "discover" it and attack Obama. These guys play dirty.
 
2013-10-26 01:02:01 PM  

cchris_39: Target Builder: Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?

I'm even more interested in how you go from Peace Corps to stay at home mom to top executive at a big computer company. That was some makeover!


I know, right? She never even inherited an oil company or ruined a baseball team. Neither of her parents ever held elected office, either. What's up with that?
 
2013-10-26 01:17:56 PM  

jjorsett: cause it to do this against their wil


Cause the administration to do what against their will? Have the First Lady attend an elite university 30 years ago?
 
2013-10-26 01:19:38 PM  

edmo: Just another snapshot into why little in government works well or cheaply.


Cause it works like the private sector?
 
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