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2013-10-26 09:25:18 AM
Just another snapshot into why little in government works well or cheaply.
 
2013-10-26 09:31:39 AM
George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal's parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

Quid pro quo Clarice?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-26 09:43:48 AM
Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?
 
2013-10-26 09:46:28 AM
This is taking "sins of the father" a bit extreme.

My roommates friend's cousin once bit the mailman, so Sarah Palin is automatically president.
 
2013-10-26 09:50:18 AM
The Daily Caller. Digging down deep, to get to the bottom, to stay on top.
 
2013-10-26 09:53:13 AM
This is way worse than killing hundreds of thousands of people to augment the income of our leaders. Way, way worse. . . .
 
2013-10-26 09:54:07 AM
That squares it. I'm voting Republican next presidential election.
 
2013-10-26 09:54:32 AM
I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
 
2013-10-26 09:56:06 AM
Last I checked, Princeton is a rather large university, and TFA offers no evidence that Michelle Obama has ever even met the woman in question.
 
2013-10-26 09:56:28 AM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


Some lady who happened to go to the same school as Michelle Obama 30 years ago is now an executive at CGI, therefore potato.
 
2013-10-26 09:57:33 AM
I went to a state school. They send me a mailing every month. It lists what my classmates have been up to. Joining the service, getting married, dying, etc. In 7 years, I've recognized one name.

Apparently at Ivy Leaguee schools, everyone knows everyone.
 
2013-10-26 09:57:55 AM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?



Apparently somebody Moochelle went to school with works at one of the Healthcare.gov firms. That's it.
 
2013-10-26 09:59:49 AM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


Well, the URL says that Michelle Obama's Princeton "classmate" is now an executive in one of the companies that worked on Healthcare.gov.

I'm afraid that's as far as I'm willing to go, but i'd bet my left nut it's a hysterical over hyped bit of BS, typical of the Daily Caller.
 
2013-10-26 10:01:21 AM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


Michelle Obama and an SVP of CGI were bother black and in Princeton at the same year. Seriously, that's the only connection. Same year, both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni
 
2013-10-26 10:02:36 AM

maddermaxx: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?

Well, the URL says that Michelle Obama's Princeton "classmate" is now an executive in one of the companies that worked on Healthcare.gov.

I'm afraid that's as far as I'm willing to go, but i'd bet my left nut it's a hysterical over hyped bit of BS, typical of the Daily Caller.


Daily Caller also helpfully explains that the Princeton grad is also quite blah.
 
2013-10-26 10:03:00 AM

hasty ambush: George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal's parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

Quid pro quo Clarice?

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So he got the contract, and then he donated to Obama's campaign?

That sounds like smart business sense to me.  What was he supposed to do - support Mitt Romney who wanted to repeal Obamacare and cancel his contract?
 
2013-10-26 10:05:22 AM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


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The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!

 
2013-10-26 10:05:33 AM

maddermaxx: Well, the URL says that Michelle Obama's Princeton "classmate" is now an executive in one of the companies that worked on Healthcare.gov.


She's also one of the "blahs", so there's that.
Smoking gun.
Ergo proctor hoc quo vadis.
Gotcha!
 
2013-10-26 10:08:14 AM
What are the chances there is someone that was at Princeton at the same time as Michelle in a dozen different huge tech development firms?

I mean, I'm willing to bet you could find a link to Obama and Harvard, too.

That being said, the website has been a big failure with political delays, organizational issues, and idiotic programming that seems to have been thrown together at the last minute.
 
2013-10-26 10:09:29 AM

bulldg4life: What are the chances there is someone that was at Princeton at the same time as Michelle in a dozen different huge tech development firms?

I mean, I'm willing to bet you could find a link to Obama and Harvard, too.

That being said, the website has been a big failure with political delays, organizational issues, and idiotic programming that seems to have been thrown together at the last minute.


I got signed up just fine.
 
2013-10-26 10:11:50 AM

Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 406x480]


The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-10-26 10:15:04 AM
Nothing new. Except we usually overpay for "not bad for government work". They didn't even live up to that standard.
 
2013-10-26 10:21:05 AM
The elites launder each other's money.
 
2013-10-26 10:22:47 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?

Really?

Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

25twofour.files.wordpress.com

Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.
 
2013-10-26 10:22:48 AM

Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 406x480]


The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!


How many assholes do we have on this thread anyhow?

YO!

I knew it i'm surrounded by assholes...

KEEP TYPING ASSHOLES! :-D
 
2013-10-26 10:26:40 AM
Everyone knows Chicago is the only place in the nation where no bid contracts occur.

\Chicago resident
 
2013-10-26 10:30:28 AM

MithrandirBooga: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?

Some lady who happened to go to the same school as Michelle Obama 30 years ago is now an executive at CGI, therefore potato.


SOSHALIZM!  SOSHALIZM!

In other news, thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians still dead.  Because freedom.
 
2013-10-26 10:31:15 AM
Where was the republican outrage over the literally uncounted kickbacks and no bid contracts the Bush administration gave during the Iraq-Afghanistan war?
 
2013-10-26 10:32:54 AM

Franco: Where was the republican outrage over the literally uncounted kickbacks and no bid contracts the Bush administration gave during the Iraq-Afghanistan war?


Republican outrage is only skin deep.
 
2013-10-26 10:33:27 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Last I checked, Princeton is a rather large university, and TFA offers no evidence that Michelle Obama has ever even met the woman in question.

By Democratic party standards evidence is not required for there to be an investigation just a serious allegation is sufficient:

"We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of these allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information, compel an effort to establish the facts," Joint Statement issued by House Speaker Thomas Foley, D-Wash., and Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell of Maine in announcing a probe of th alleged October Surprise by Regan/Bush.-Aug 1991Link
 
2013-10-26 10:34:55 AM

badhatharry: Nothing new. Except we usually overpay for "not bad for government work". They didn't even live up to that standard.



Where I live, highway projects always finish a few weeks early and come in under budget.
 
2013-10-26 10:35:20 AM
Daily Caller, always hoping for something!  What spunk!  What pluck!
 
2013-10-26 10:36:22 AM

hasty ambush: Wolf_Blitzer: Last I checked, Princeton is a rather large university, and TFA offers no evidence that Michelle Obama has ever even met the woman in question.
By Democratic party standards evidence is not required for there to be an investigation just a serious allegation is sufficient:

"We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of these allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information, compel an effort to establish the facts," Joint Statement issued by House Speaker Thomas Foley, D-Wash., and Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell of Maine in announcing a probe of th alleged October Surprise by Regan/Bush.-Aug 1991Link


hasty ambush, always hoping for something!  What spunk!  What pluck!
 
2013-10-26 10:40:06 AM
Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?
 
2013-10-26 10:42:39 AM

balthan: Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?


No way!
 
2013-10-26 10:44:15 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?


Yeah, I remember the stink you made over Hallibu... oh wait, no I don't.
 
2013-10-26 10:47:36 AM
And if they'd disqualified this company because the First Lady knew someone who worked for that company, how long before we'd see a headline screaming about how the Job Creators at this poor company were unfairly disqualified from getting this contract because of an insinuated but never stated animosity between the First Lady and this person she knew from her college days?

biatch, crackers, owns the place, etc etc etc...
 
2013-10-26 10:47:45 AM

born_yesterday: Franco: Where was the republican outrage over the literally uncounted kickbacks and no bid contracts the Bush administration gave during the Iraq-Afghanistan war?

Republican outrage is only skin deep.


i.imgur.com

Phillip J. Fry. His eyes narrowed.
 
2013-10-26 10:48:54 AM

enry: This is taking "sins of the father" a bit extreme.

My roommates friend's cousin once bit the mailman, so Sarah Palin is automatically president.


This also means that Barack Obama has to transcribe Machiavelli's The Prince in Morse code using hub caps and crowbars.
 
2013-10-26 10:49:30 AM

MFAWG: balthan: Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?

No way!


Did you hear the one about the Governor of Florida who got drug testing for Welfare recipients made into the law?  Guess who owns the company that does the testing?

His wife.
 
2013-10-26 10:49:34 AM

MFAWG: balthan: Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?

No way!




Obama administration approves No-Bid Halliburton Contract
 
2013-10-26 10:50:12 AM

The Why Not Guy: Yeah, I remember the stink you made over Hallibu... oh wait, no I don't


The ones referenced by:

hasty ambush: Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

 
2013-10-26 10:51:37 AM

Infernalist: MFAWG: balthan: Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?

No way!

Did you hear the one about the Governor of Florida who got drug testing for Welfare recipients made into the law?  Guess who owns the company that does the testing?

His wife.


Next you'll try to tell us that the guy that approved the use of Rape-i-scans at airports nationwide had some sort of financial interest in THAT decision!

/GO DRINK SOME WATER, MOOSHELLE!
//OUTRAGED REPUBLICAN HERE111!!!
 
2013-10-26 10:51:47 AM

hasty ambush: Obama administration approves No-Bid Halliburton Contract


SHHHHHHHHHH! Don't. The ODL won't take kindly to facts like this.
 
2013-10-26 10:53:28 AM

hasty ambush: Wolf_Blitzer: Last I checked, Princeton is a rather large university, and TFA offers no evidence that Michelle Obama has ever even met the woman in question.
By Democratic party standards evidence is not required for there to be an investigation just a serious allegation is sufficient:

"We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of these allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information, compel an effort to establish the facts," Joint Statement issued by House Speaker Thomas Foley, D-Wash., and Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell of Maine in announcing a probe of th alleged October Surprise by Regan/Bush.-Aug 1991Link


SICK BURN BY HASTY AMBUSH!! WHATCHA GONNA DO NOW LIBS?! WRONG SINCE 91!!!
 
2013-10-26 10:53:58 AM
And remember kids, companies with principals who are women and minorities get preferential treatment in the selection process!
 
2013-10-26 10:54:48 AM
George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal's parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

I, for one, am shocked that a CEO of a company awarded a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars to create a website would support the candidate who wanted to launch that website over the candidate who wanted to scrap it.

Also, this:
CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract

Seems incompatible with this:
four companies submitted bids

I'm probably just missing something, but I'm confused by why they submitted a bid for a no-bid contract. It's probably just an example of actual English and government English being in conflict.
 
2013-10-26 10:55:53 AM
"So what?"

\

abovethelaw.com
 
2013-10-26 10:57:40 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: hasty ambush: Obama administration approves No-Bid Halliburton Contract

SHHHHHHHHHH! Don't. The ODL won't take kindly to facts like this.


When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?
 
2013-10-26 11:01:06 AM
So, all I saw was that she graduated the same year as this person, and now they are both members of the Black Princeton Alumni Association.  I go to that associations website, and it didn't even form until a decade after they graduated.  Did I miss something?  Is that the connection?  Is that the cronyism they found?  Because my university granted just over 10,000 degrees the year I graduated, and I'm in a couple alumni association type orgs.  Guess what, I've stayed in touch with like 3 people from college, and none of them even shared my major.

My guess:  Association forms, goes through database of living alumni that fit the bill and would lend credibility to this new association, calls certain people that are very visible and very successful and asks them to join.  Executives, award-winning researchers, critically acclaimed authors, First Ladies......

And the comments in TFA, holy balls man.
 
2013-10-26 11:01:17 AM

thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?


I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.
 
2013-10-26 11:02:54 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


You used to be sane.  Now I have to put you on the list.  Bye, DIA.
 
2013-10-26 11:03:46 AM
Make that two decades.  Need to proofread.
 
2013-10-26 11:05:33 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


We're reading an article about how concerning it is that the First Lady attended college with a guy that runs a company that was awarded a no-bid contract, and you're pretending that no one should have raised an eyebrow at many no-bid contracts being awarded to the company the VP used to run. Wow. That's some first-class disingenuousness (disingenuity? Whatever, you get my point).
 
2013-10-26 11:11:30 AM

Infernalist: You used to be sane. Now I have to put you on the list. Bye, DIA.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Later, weakness.

thurstonxhowell: We're reading an article about how concerning it is that the First Lady attended college with a guy that runs a company that was awarded a no-bid contract, and you're pretending that no one should have raised an eyebrow at many no-bid contracts being awarded to the company the VP used to run


Did you notice the link posted at 10:24:47? Probably not. Since you didn't, I guess it's safe to assume that you have no idea how the process was continued. And if you noticed the link posted at 10:49:34 you would understand a little more.

And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.
 
2013-10-26 11:13:00 AM
Michelle Obama
was in A Mother's Promise
with David Strathairn
who was in The River Wild
with Kevin Bacon.
 
2013-10-26 11:13:21 AM
Has Mooshelle or Gaffey Joe ever worked at the firm in question?

If not, false equivalence is false.
 
2013-10-26 11:19:03 AM
The comments are awesome.  We could call this Obamacarewebsitegate but no scandal should have more than three syllables.

When the story first broke that the web site was not working, and it was determined that the Canadian company CGI was given the contract, some article on a Canadian web site stated that the contract was awarded to CGI because they already had previous existing contracts with the U.S. government building other web sites, established during the previous (Bush) administration, and the timeframe to get the site up and running was too short to go through the slow bidding process.  The article went on to say, that based on previous experience, someone made the decision to go with CGI.

The article stated or implied that CGI offshores (Asia) its development.

I'm unable to find citations for the preceding.  Perhaps readers can help.  But if true, it certainly debunks the article, although that would take some reason-for-living away from the Obama haters.

I suspect that I too have a classmate (==someone from the same University who graduated in the same year) at CGI.  At present, I have no idea who that might be.
 
2013-10-26 11:21:12 AM
Hold on, now:  are they seriously drawing a scandal from the fact that the First Lady and this other lady got a degree from the same big-name university?

Is this one of those Bilderberg Skull-n-Bones type theories where Internet nutballs think Ivy-League schools are secret societies where everyone is branded with Masonic signs?
 
2013-10-26 11:23:28 AM
Do people still believe the lie that the website cost $678 million?
 
2013-10-26 11:26:52 AM

Doc Lee: Do people still believe the lie that the website cost $678 million?


Last time I had to interact with a certain teabagger relative he mentioned the $200 million per day trip to India the First Lady took.  My guess is that yes, people still believe the website cost $678 million.
 
2013-10-26 11:28:07 AM
 
2013-10-26 11:31:53 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Did you notice the link posted at 10:24:47? Probably not. Since you didn't, I guess it's safe to assume that you have no idea how the process was continued. And if you noticed the link posted at 10:49:34 you would understand a little more.

And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.


I get that it continued. That's completely beside the point. At that time, those contracts were going to a company when their former CEO was a sitting VP. I'll grant that that doesn't mean any wrongdoing necessarily occurred, but was everyone supposed to just pretend that doesn't look a little crooked? Am I supposed to at once pretend that the First Lady maybe possibly having met a CEO a few decades ago is cause for concern in one case, but that the VP actually himself being that CEO in another is not?
 
2013-10-26 11:34:06 AM
I heard that MOOchelle sent pallets containing literally billions of dollars in cash to this former classmate, to be stored in her garage, and then oops--poof!--they were gone!  Nobody knows what happened!  We'll start an investigation!

And the conclusion of the investigation was "PASS THE BACON".
 
2013-10-26 11:35:11 AM
 
2013-10-26 11:35:27 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 406x480]


The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!

How many assholes do we have on this thread anyhow?

YO!

I knew it i'm surrounded by assholes...

KEEP TYPING ASSHOLES! :-D


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-26 11:44:28 AM

thurstonxhowell: That's completely beside the point


Which brings us full circle.

Dancin_In_Anson: I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.

 
2013-10-26 11:44:44 AM

GoldSpider: For anyone who really cares about the actual (current) cost figures:

CGI Federal has been paid $112 million for its work on the Web site so far... Moreover, the federal government has obligated $196 million, so the tab could certainly run that high if CGI submits the bills.


FTA - To sum up: The floor for spending on the Web site to date appears to be at least $170 million, with an upward potential of nearly $300 million.

Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!

/rolls eyes...
 
2013-10-26 11:45:20 AM

hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?
Really?

Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

[25twofour.files.wordpress.com image 410x311]

Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.


Yeah you know people really hate Haliburton and "bribes" and all that in Iraq but their subsidiary KBR (I might have the facts wrong) did a damn fine job getting good food into very difficult places and frankly there's no other way to do it than bribe the locals.  What we call bribes they call business.  I'm not sure what other company could do it.  Pretty sure "no bid" really was "nobody else bid" in many cases.
 
2013-10-26 11:51:13 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: That's completely beside the point

Which brings us full circle.

Dancin_In_Anson: I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.


Yes, the presence of a former CEO of a company being awarded multi-billion dollar contracts is unique to the Bush administration. If you would like me to address other issues of that occurring, I would not be able to do so. Would you like a farking cookie? You were the one who brought up historical examples of no-bid contracts being awarded. If you thought that mentioning them was verboten, you probably shouldn't have done that.

How about you say what your thoughts on the article are? Is it cause for concern that 4 years before the fall of the Berlin Wall the First Lady might have met a CEO of a company awarded a no-bid contract?

If your concern is merely that the website does not work, then I agree. If your concern is this bullshiat.... well, I know I'm not supposed to directly insult other users on this site, so I'll leave it to you to imagine the rest of that sentence.
 
2013-10-26 11:53:39 AM

Bloody William: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?

Michelle Obama and an SVP of CGI were bother black and in Princeton at the same year. Seriously, that's the only connection. Same year, both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni


The Daily Caller:  Six degrees to derperation.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:03 AM
So being in the same class of a big name university is the same as being the former CEO of the company you're now contracting for.  This thread has gone full retard.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:19 AM

markfara: bulldg4life: What are the chances there is someone that was at Princeton at the same time as Michelle in a dozen different huge tech development firms?

I mean, I'm willing to bet you could find a link to Obama and Harvard, too.

That being said, the website has been a big failure with political delays, organizational issues, and idiotic programming that seems to have been thrown together at the last minute.

I got signed up just fine.


I have healthcare so I didn't actually sign up but I went there and started the process to see what it was like.  It worked just fine.  Here's some general comments though including a few that I think people are really afraid to talk about.

1. In general it's not good for "perusing" possible health plans.  It's built around the idea that the reason you are going there is to sign up not to "browse".  So you have to give them all your personal info before you get to the brass tacks of a "quote".  Big deal.
2. I had a hard time getting specifics of what was/was not covered at each "level".  Or what was or wasn't eligible for HSA.  I tried a commercial website for individual coverage and had a much better browsing experience to get ballpark figures and better explanation.  Big deal.
3. Nobody is saying this but you know what?  Signing up for benefits is hard.  It's hard when you get a job, it's hard when you change jobs.  There's lots of info you have to sift through and documents to provide. Frankly many (most?) of the individuals trying to sign up are low income, low education, not tech savvy, etc.  Many are marginally literate, don't regularly use websites to shop, etc.  Plus they just aren't used to signing up for this kind of stuff.  It would not surprise me that they get confused, frustrated, etc because they are left to try to sign up for this themselves rather than other government programs or at their employer where there is always an "office" somewhere with some kind of person to walk you through the process and help you.  WIC for instance has an office.  Companies have HR.  This doesn't strike me as having anything but a "mandate" to "gitter done".  I know some towns etc have set up places for people to go but I'm not aware of any systemic government office someone can go to in order to get help.  There's an 800 number but that's not how people are used to interacting with this kind of complicated process.
4. States that actually took this responsibility on seem to be fairing way way better.  It addresses my issues in item 3.

In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest.  Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.
 
2013-10-26 11:57:23 AM
They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.
 
2013-10-26 11:59:36 AM

brandent: In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest. Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.


And they predicted, correctly, that their constituents would not blame them for failing to prepare the state exchanges or expanding Medicare, but instead blame Obama entirely for their inaction.
 
2013-10-26 12:01:19 PM

born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.


"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.
 
2013-10-26 12:01:23 PM

born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.


But der interwebs page thingee don't werk!!!!!!
 
2013-10-26 12:08:05 PM

born_yesterday: brandent: In short the exchanges are a great idea but they were conceived under the concept that the states would take ownership as it's in their best interest. Numerous states have chosen to work outside their best interests and stick it to Obama no matter what it takes.

And they predicted, correctly, that their constituents would not blame them for failing to prepare the state exchanges or expanding Medicare, but instead blame Obama entirely for their inaction.


To be fair, the people who blame Obama for their state's inaction are the same people who would hate him regardless.  25% of the voter base will never give him the benefit of the doubt for anything, so screw em and forget about em.
 
2013-10-26 12:09:40 PM

brandent: born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.

"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.


I didn't realize the Untouchables was obscure.
 
2013-10-26 12:11:58 PM

hasty ambush: George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal's parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

Quid pro quo Clarice?

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Looks like CGI spreads it round pretty evenly.,

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00354241&cycle=2012 ">https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00354241&cycle=20 12
 
2013-10-26 12:12:55 PM
Deep dish pizza?
 
2013-10-26 12:15:05 PM

hasty ambush: Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.


That does not appear to be the case this time.

Naturally, that won't matter to Obama supporters.
 
2013-10-26 12:16:35 PM

Yeah_Right: Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!


Lying about the cost doesn't do your side any favors.
 
2013-10-26 12:18:53 PM
Eventually, the site will work consistently well and conservatives will keep whining about it being completely nonfunctional. The people who get their insurance, get good coverage with lower premiums and subsidies to help will probably wonder why right-wingers are still biatching about it.
 
2013-10-26 12:20:15 PM
170 billion dollars, and that is just for the fonts they didn't even use.    They are not using the most patriotic fonts on purpose and bought them out so no one else will be able to do so in their websites.
 
2013-10-26 12:22:19 PM
I'm not even saying "eventually" in some starry-eyed faith that it will happen one day down the line. I mean it seems that the site is working better and better after the initial launch and pretty soon difficulties will be in line with... well, any other major service site.
 
2013-10-26 12:22:58 PM

GoldSpider: Yeah_Right: Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!

Lying about the cost doesn't do your side any favors.


#1 - I don't have a 'side' ... UHC is a good thing - but this convoluted plan is a cluster-fark.
#2 - The $170 million  was a quote from the article that the poster had cited ... might want to back and read it before you snark.
 
2013-10-26 12:25:02 PM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


It's a season that it usually warm and known for vacations but that's not important right now.
 
2013-10-26 12:27:12 PM
I think the bigger news here is that Princeton apparently relocated to Chicago in secret.
 
2013-10-26 12:27:43 PM
After the Halliburton-Cheney ran the Iraq War into the ground, complaints of cronyism are farking laughable.
 
2013-10-26 12:34:51 PM
Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?
 
2013-10-26 12:50:46 PM

Infernalist: Dancin_In_Anson: thurstonxhowell: When Bush did it, his VP was a former CEO of Halliburton. Do you really not understand why that might be cause for concern for some people?

I aBsolUtely See How you would be concerned.

You used to be sane.  Now I have to put you on the list.  Bye, DIA.


No he wasn't.
 
2013-10-26 12:52:31 PM

brandent: born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.

"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.


Parodying a famous movie quote is trolling now? Jesus farking Christ.
 
2013-10-26 12:54:54 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Deep dish pizza?


Terrible quarterbacks.
 
2013-10-26 12:57:52 PM

Target Builder: Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?


I'm even more interested in how you go from Peace Corps to stay at home mom to top executive at a big computer company. That was some makeover!
 
2013-10-26 12:59:08 PM

Fart_Machine: So being in the same class of a big name university is the same as being the former CEO of the company you're now contracting for.  This thread has gone full retard.


It was congenitally deformed. No limbs, heart on the outside of its body, tiny reptilian remnant of a brain. It never had a chance.
 
2013-10-26 01:01:00 PM

Notabunny: The Daily Caller. Digging down deep, to get to the bottom, to stay on top.


What's really sinister is how they managed to remotely mindmeld with the administration and cause it to do this against their will just so they could "discover" it and attack Obama. These guys play dirty.
 
2013-10-26 01:02:01 PM

cchris_39: Target Builder: Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman,

Did she have some sort of extreme makeover before returning to work? Was she Chinese beforehand? Or is her job title "African American Woman"?

I'm even more interested in how you go from Peace Corps to stay at home mom to top executive at a big computer company. That was some makeover!


I know, right? She never even inherited an oil company or ruined a baseball team. Neither of her parents ever held elected office, either. What's up with that?
 
2013-10-26 01:17:56 PM

jjorsett: cause it to do this against their wil


Cause the administration to do what against their will? Have the First Lady attend an elite university 30 years ago?
 
2013-10-26 01:19:38 PM

edmo: Just another snapshot into why little in government works well or cheaply.


Cause it works like the private sector?
 
2013-10-26 01:30:55 PM

Yeah_Right: #2 - The $170 million was a quote from the article that the poster had cited ... might want to back and read it before you snark.


I was referring to the $650 million quote making its way around the right-wing propaganda circuit.
 
2013-10-26 01:35:22 PM

GoldSpider: Yeah_Right: #2 - The $170 million was a quote from the article that the poster had cited ... might want to back and read it before you snark.

I was referring to the $650 million quote making its way around the right-wing propaganda circuit.


You have to admit, no matter how liberally biased you are, that $170 million dollars for a faulty website is a piss-poor use of money, don't you?

I mean, you could shut down the government 141 times for that kind of money.
 
2013-10-26 01:44:07 PM

born_yesterday: You have to admit, no matter how liberally biased you are, that $170 million dollars for a faulty website is a piss-poor use of money, don't you?


It does make me wonder how much it would have cost to move to single-payer.
 
2013-10-26 01:48:42 PM

Yeah_Right: GoldSpider: For anyone who really cares about the actual (current) cost figures:

CGI Federal has been paid $112 million for its work on the Web site so far... Moreover, the federal government has obligated $196 million, so the tab could certainly run that high if CGI submits the bills.

FTA - To sum up: The floor for spending on the Web site to date appears to be at least $170 million, with an upward potential of nearly $300 million.

Oh, only $170 million for a broken site --- what a bargain..!

/rolls eyes...


For a large, liberal government Web site, it is pretty cheap. Clearly, if we have more government and spending, it would be ok.
 
2013-10-26 01:50:11 PM

Nemo's Brother: For a large, liberal government Web site, it is pretty cheap. Clearly, if we have more government and spending, it would be ok.


How many hours in Iraq or Afghanistan does that pay for?
 
2013-10-26 01:57:39 PM

GoldSpider: For anyone who really cares about the actual (current) cost figures:

CGI Federal has been paid $112 million for its work on the Web site so far... Moreover, the federal government has obligated $196 million, so the tab could certainly run that high if CGI submits the bills.


When you don't get what you contracted for, you don't have to pay. What the federal government should do is refuse to pay the last $196 million. If they don't hold back the remainder, we'll know it was a sweetheart deal all along.
 
2013-10-26 02:04:43 PM
FFS, if you're going to give no-bid contracts to your friends, make sure they're competent. Few people question success.
 
2013-10-26 02:19:06 PM
This article is stupid and so is the greenlight and the thread.
 
2013-10-26 02:31:00 PM
I went to SDSU. That's where Tony Gwynn works. Therefore, I know Tony Gwynn!
 
2013-10-26 02:33:28 PM

Snapper Carr: born_yesterday: Franco: Where was the republican outrage over the literally uncounted kickbacks and no bid contracts the Bush administration gave during the Iraq-Afghanistan war?

Republican outrage is only skin deep.

[i.imgur.com image 565x541]

Phillip J. Fry. His eyes narrowed.


*GOLF CLAP*
 
2013-10-26 03:11:31 PM

balthan: Remember when the CEO of Haliburton resigned to become Vice President and started a needless war that ended up awarding a lot of contracts to his former company?


I remember it not being as weird as this for REASONS.

/reasons that make SENSE
//and if you don't know what they are, well I'm certainly not going to do the work FOR you
 
2013-10-26 03:35:07 PM

jjorsett: Notabunny: The Daily Caller. Digging down deep, to get to the bottom, to stay on top.

What's really sinister is how they managed to remotely mindmeld with the administration and cause it to do this against their will just so they could "discover" it and attack Obama. These guys play dirty.


Discover what, exactly? Michelle Obama went to Princeton, Obama went to Columbia and Harvard. Most large companies will have at least one executive that went to one of those schools, given those schools statuses. This is practically spicy mustard level of point-n-sputter.
 
2013-10-26 03:35:31 PM

DSF6969: Can someone give me a summery?


Mostly sunny, light southwest breeze, high in the mid-80s.
 
2013-10-26 04:14:56 PM

Fart_Machine: brandent: born_yesterday: They send thousands of yours to the morgue, you send millions of theirs to an affordable doctor.

"They?"  "You?"  Please be more specific and don't use pronouns when trolling.

I didn't realize the Untouchables was obscure.


To Millennials, every movie is obscure until the reboot with Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson.
 
2013-10-26 04:18:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.


Wait... are you saying Haliburtons' shiat works?
upload.wikimedia.org

And don't forget how much the Marines loved things made by the Haliburton subsidiary, KBR
 
2013-10-26 04:33:53 PM

thurstonxhowell: jjorsett: cause it to do this against their wil

Cause the administration to do what against their will? Have the First Lady attend an elite university 30 years ago?


And they used up all the glue ... ON PURPOSE!
 
2013-10-26 04:34:02 PM

maddogdelta: Wait... are you saying Haliburtons' shiat works?


brandent: Yeah you know people really hate Haliburton and "bribes" and all that in Iraq but their subsidiary KBR (I might have the facts wrong) did a damn fine job getting good food into very difficult places and frankly there's no other way to do it than bribe the locals. What we call bribes they call business. I'm not sure what other company could do it.

 
2013-10-26 04:39:24 PM
James Earl Jones once held a door open for me. I colluded with Lord Vader.
 
2013-10-26 04:50:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: maddogdelta: Wait... are you saying Haliburtons' shiat works?

brandent: Yeah you know people really hate Haliburton and "bribes" and all that in Iraq but their subsidiary KBR (I might have the facts wrong) did a damn fine job getting good food into very difficult places and frankly there's no other way to do it than bribe the locals. What we call bribes they call business. I'm not sure what other company could do it.


Actually, the us army is very good at logistics. However, when "government is the problem", we have to lay off the military personnel and no bid the same job to halliburton "bekuz privat induztri" at 3x the cost.
 
2013-10-26 05:25:43 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: maddogdelta: Wait... are you saying Haliburtons' shiat works?

brandent: Yeah you know people really hate Haliburton and "bribes" and all that in Iraq but their subsidiary KBR (I might have the facts wrong) did a damn fine job getting good food into very difficult places and frankly there's no other way to do it than bribe the locals. What we call bribes they call business. I'm not sure what other company could do it.


Are you honestly positing that A) A guy on the Internet is proof that KBR's sh*t works and B) the US Army couldn't do a better job getting food to its own troops, for a lower cost than outsourcing to Halliburton?
 
2013-10-26 06:23:44 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
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The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!

How many assholes do we have on this thread anyhow?

YO!

I knew it i'm surrounded by assholes...

KEEP TYPING ASSHOLES! :-D


ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOL E S ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES ASSHOLES

That enough assholes for you?
 
2013-10-26 08:17:52 PM

DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?


I looked at this and several other Daily Caller articles.  The "failed Obamacare website" and and climate denier and more such disinformation crap.  The recurring ad was for AT&T services.  I've heard that AT&T money has been going to teabagger support, namely Rick Perry.  Shouldn't we be boycotting AT&T?
 
2013-10-26 08:43:30 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: You used to be sane. Now I have to put you on the list. Bye, DIA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Later, weakness


What a dick.
 
2013-10-26 09:43:09 PM
So DC's latest installment of "Obama is worse that Hitler, seriously guys!11!" seems to be a hit with the base if the comments can be believed.

i really wanna believe the "triple Arab" guy is a troll though.

He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly  Arab, which he hides, but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is"African-American," the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners...

Wow, that guy *really* hates Obama's policies.
 
2013-10-26 09:44:42 PM
than, even
 
2013-10-26 11:07:05 PM

hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?
Really?

Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

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Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.


I never got that, either. It isn't like there are mom and pop defense contractor companies out there
 
2013-10-26 11:21:00 PM

maddogdelta: Dancin_In_Anson: And FWIW, I tend to think that they keep getting the business because THEIR SHIAT WORKS.

Wait... are you saying Haliburtons' shiat works?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

And don't forget how much the Marines loved things made by the Haliburton subsidiary, KBR


At least as well as CGI Federal's

i.i.cbsi.com
 
2013-10-26 11:57:37 PM

machoprogrammer: hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: Remember the days when no bid contracts were a bad thing?
Really?

Clinton Haliburton No bid contracts

[25twofour.files.wordpress.com image 410x311]

Actually no bid contracts are OK in some instances like when it is obvious only one company has the resources to the job required and time is of the essence.

I never got that, either. It isn't like there are mom and pop defense contractor companies out there


In some respects things have gotten worse.  During the 90s we had a cut in Defense spending and the search for a Peace Dividend even though there was no real peace.  This lead to a contraction , mergers etc in the Defense Industry.  So today their are fewer defense contractors with some bad side effects.  For example   The Air Force desperately needs new tanker aircraft but Boeing is really the only US company that could supply such aircraft.  Unfortunately Boeing was also involved in a bribery scandal involving that same contract.  While individuals involved were prosecuted and punished Boeing as a company can still compete for government contracts because the only other option in this case is foreign-Airbus.

You see this across all aspects of the defense industry, aircraft, ship building, small etc.  There are fewer domestic major players now.  Heck is BAE now major player /owner of US defense companies.

Same thing happened in the oil industry back when oil dropped below $40 a barrel.

  (Similar thing happened in the roil industry when oil wen tbelow $40 a barrel)
 
2013-10-27 01:13:34 AM
Damn these people!  My insurance went up eleventy million dollars because of Obummercare and all the back scratching!

Actually it stayed the same and hasn't risen since Obama went into office.
 
2013-10-27 02:32:07 AM
It's the Chicago Way My Butt Hurts

signed

subby
 
2013-10-27 09:59:29 AM

quatchi: So DC's latest installment of "Obama is worse that Hitler, seriously guys!11!" seems to be a hit with the base if the comments can be believed.

i really wanna believe the "triple Arab" guy is a troll though.

He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly  Arab, which he hides, but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is"African-American," the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners...

Wow, that guy *really* hates Obama's policies.


What an Arab in American politics might look like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-27 12:23:26 PM
Ok...slow this down a sec.  Are no-bid contracts good or bad?  Does it matter who the president is?
 
2013-10-27 12:41:44 PM

Karac: DSF6969: I refuse to click on a Daily Caller link.  Can someone give me a summery?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 406x480]


The company who worked on the Obamacare website has a senior vice-president who was Michelle Obama's father's brother's cousin's nephew's former college roommate!


So, you trying imply that Michelle Obama is really Dark Helmet? Interesting theory, must take to the internets and read more about this
 
2013-10-27 06:19:45 PM

Mercutio74: Ok...slow this down a sec.  Are no-bid contracts good or bad?  Does it matter who the president is?


Are you posting in the wrong thread?  The question here is whether it's a scandal for a person involved with a thing to have a degree from the same university as the president's wife.

But yes, it absolutely matters who the president is.  10 years ago you never saw articles exposing the fact that some random executive at KBR like totally went to Yale.
 
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