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(Lansing City Pulse)   After six week battle with the state of Michigan, medical marijuana card holders finally given their daughter back. Followup tag just beats out Asinine tag   (lansingcitypulse.com) divider line 70
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2013-10-26 10:11:44 AM  
But they get to show up whenever and drug test the kid. Ah well - better than losing the child but still a tremendous abuse of authority.
 
2013-10-26 10:13:35 AM  
Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?
 
2013-10-26 10:16:47 AM  

duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?


Well I don't think that's really even a part of this.  Regardless of pro or con it's the law.  i.e. they broke no law and therefore the government has not right to harass them.  They should sue.
 
2013-10-26 10:19:54 AM  

duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?


It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.
 
2013-10-26 10:20:48 AM  
I think I would be moving the fark out of Michigan regardless of any agreement. I hear Colorado and know Washington are nice.
 
2013-10-26 10:23:21 AM  
WHAT THE BLEEDING fark.
 
2013-10-26 10:24:49 AM  

MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.


It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.
 
2013-10-26 10:27:19 AM  

MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.


You're so amusing when you're wrong.

3/10. Trite, no passion. Still got some work to do, son.
 
2013-10-26 10:28:14 AM  
I have no problem with this.  If both parents are smoking pot - there is every reason to suspect they may be putting their child in danger.

Alcohol is legal - and there are plenty of cases where kids are removed from alcohol abusers.
 
2013-10-26 10:29:42 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.


^this.

I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.
 
2013-10-26 10:31:17 AM  
AND it made me not proofread.
 
2013-10-26 10:32:09 AM  

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  If both parents are smoking pot - there is every reason to suspect they may be putting their child in danger.

Alcohol is legal - and there are plenty of cases where kids are removed from alcohol abusers.


You have evidence these folks are abusing pot and not just using it? And so if I homebrew beer, should my son be taken from me?
 
2013-10-26 10:32:54 AM  

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  If both parents are smoking pot - there is every reason to suspect they may be putting their child in danger.

Alcohol is legal - and there are plenty of cases where kids are removed from alcohol abusers.


Then you would need to prove abuse, not just use, of the pot.  See the difference?
 
2013-10-26 10:34:21 AM  

Mztlplx: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

You're so amusing when you're wrong.

3/10. Trite, no passion. Still got some work to do, son.



 He's just insulting the arguments with mild snark and apathy.  Trite and no passion was the goal. He's not trolling so no score should be given.  (at least I hope that's the case)
 
2013-10-26 10:35:41 AM  

megarian: The Gentleman Caller: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.

^this.

I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.


Do you have any more?
 
2013-10-26 10:37:35 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: megarian: The Gentleman Caller: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.

^this.

I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.

Do you have any more?


Neighbors? I hope not. I'm tired.
 
2013-10-26 10:38:25 AM  

kukukupo: If both parents are smoking pot - there is every reason to suspect they may be putting their child in danger.


danger of what, exactly?  extreme munchies?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-26 10:38:58 AM  

megarian: The Gentleman Caller: megarian: The Gentleman Caller: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.

^this.

I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.

Do you have any more?

Neighbors? I hope not. I'm tired.


LULZ
 
2013-10-26 10:40:55 AM  
And yet no problems if the parents have prescription Oxy in the house.  And hey lets prescribe riddlin to the kid!
 
2013-10-26 10:43:20 AM  
I have no idea what's going on in this thread
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gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-26 10:44:52 AM  

420_Yo: And yet no problems if the parents have prescription Oxy in the house.  And hey lets prescribe riddlin to the kid!


?
images1.wikia.nocookie.net


Of course I knew you meant Ritalin. Just had to be silly about it though.
 
2013-10-26 10:48:25 AM  

megarian: The Gentleman Caller: megarian: I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.

Do you have any more?

Neighbors? I hope not. I'm tired.


Just smoke another joint. That always gives me the energy I need for some rape. I usually rape the dog and beat the neighbors though, so maybe I need to try a different strain.
 
2013-10-26 10:48:42 AM  

420_Yo: And yet no problems if the parents have prescription Oxy in the house.  And hey lets prescribe riddlin to the kid!


Do oxy or Ritalin lead to jazz music and interracial relationships with white womenz?  I rest my case.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-26 10:50:47 AM  

umad: megarian: The Gentleman Caller: megarian: I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.

Do you have any more?

Neighbors? I hope not. I'm tired.

Just smoke another joint. That always gives me the energy I need for some rape. I usually rape the dog and beat the neighbors though, so maybe I need to try a different strain.


Dude. The phrase is doggy "style" not stylin on the doggie.
 
2013-10-26 10:54:47 AM  
As a medical marijuana patient, I totally forgot what I was going to post.
 
2013-10-26 10:55:46 AM  

umad: I think I would be moving the fark out of Michigan regardless of any agreement. I hear Colorado and know Washington are nice.


Are you sure that Child Protective Services in Colorado and Washington are nice?  CPS in any state does not recognize laws, especially the US Constitution.  Often they tell parents that if they dare hire a lawyer, they will never see their children again.
 
2013-10-26 11:01:26 AM  

MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.


this is your brain...

/what was the next line?
//mmmmmm, cheetos
 
2013-10-26 11:06:19 AM  
Isn't this the couple where the guy already had felony arrests in the past for distribution and the couple had the kid removed after there were 8 people smoking in the house at the same time, with their record keeping being so shiatty they had nothing to show they had medical cards too?
 
2013-10-26 11:08:01 AM  

jayphat: Isn't this the couple where the guy already had felony arrests in the past for distribution and the couple had the kid removed after there were 8 people smoking in the house at the same time, with their record keeping being so shiatty they had nothing to show they had medical cards too?


wait what?
 
2013-10-26 11:09:40 AM  
Some people are in a situation where the benefits of medical marijuana outweigh the cost, but that does not mean that the marijuana is not still making them lazy and stupid.  Similar concerns exist for many other medications.  Many prescription medications preclude driving and make it difficult to hold down a job; medical marijuana is no exception.  It would be foolish to pretend that some medications do not impair ones ability to care for children as well.
 
2013-10-26 11:15:12 AM  

flondrix: Some people are in a situation where the benefits of medical marijuana outweigh the cost, but that does not mean that the marijuana is not still making them lazy and stupid.


YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
 
2013-10-26 11:24:01 AM  

frepnog: flondrix: Some people are in a situation where the benefits of medical marijuana outweigh the cost, but that does not mean that the marijuana is not still making them lazy and stupid.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.


Probably doesn't make you dumb

All the smart kids do it

flondrix should really educate themselves on the myths
 
2013-10-26 11:24:57 AM  
Terrifying sick people? Take away the children?

Just wait 'til a hospital for sick children opens down the street. CPS workers will be so confused.
 
pla
2013-10-26 11:27:16 AM  
Y'know, I don't mean this to sound like a "tough guy" - I certainly enjoy a good argument, but for the most part, I consider myself a pacifict.

But I just honestly cannot imagine staying sane and civil if this ever happened to my kid.  You wouldn't hear about press conferences by my lawyer, you'd hear about a trail of dead social workers stretching from the DHS doorstep to my own corpse wherever they finally managed to take me down.  Honestly, it totally shocks me we don't hear about events like that as the norm - People seriously just let these monsters come and take their kids???

Make no mistake, I know that horrible, horrible parents exist, who almost make me wish Hell actually existed so they could end up there.  But these bogus state "protective" agencies almost exclusively focus on easy to identify political issues rather than actual endangerment, however; and since their BS accusations would never hold water in the real legal system, they even have their own sham judicial system set up just to rubber-stamp their kidnappings.
 
2013-10-26 11:29:30 AM  

flondrix: Some people are in a situation where the benefits of medical marijuana outweigh the cost, but that does not mean that the marijuana is not still making them lazy and stupid.


What's your excuse?  Because that's some lazy and stupid thinking you've displayed there.

There is no research to support your foolish assumption.  It's true that some lazy and stupid people smoke pot.  Some lazy and stupid people drink beer.  Should their children be taken from them?  Well, maybe so, but not because they smoke pot or drink beer.

Okay, so clearly lazy and stupid people should not be allowed to reproduce, because this results in idiocy like the stuff you posted.  You've convinced me of something, so you have that going for you.  Which is nice.
 
2013-10-26 11:30:42 AM  

pla: Y'know, I don't mean this to sound like a "tough guy" - I certainly enjoy a good argument, but for the most part, I consider myself a pacifict.

But I just honestly cannot imagine staying sane and civil if this ever happened to my kid.  You wouldn't hear about press conferences by my lawyer, you'd hear about a trail of dead social workers stretching from the DHS doorstep to my own corpse wherever they finally managed to take me down.  Honestly, it totally shocks me we don't hear about events like that as the norm - People seriously just let these monsters come and take their kids???

Make no mistake, I know that horrible, horrible parents exist, who almost make me wish Hell actually existed so they could end up there.  But these bogus state "protective" agencies almost exclusively focus on easy to identify political issues rather than actual endangerment, however; and since their BS accusations would never hold water in the real legal system, they even have their own sham judicial system set up just to rubber-stamp their kidnappings.


Don't "leave a trail" and get caught.  Just find out where they live and burn them alive in their beds while they sleep.

/ITG off
 
2013-10-26 11:32:07 AM  

umad: I think I would be moving the fark out of Michigan regardless of any agreement. I hear Colorado and know Washington are nice.


No. No no no ... shut the up. God, Colorado's already got too many asswipes as it is. Go to Washington.
 
2013-10-26 11:33:18 AM  

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  If both parents are smoking pot - there is every reason to suspect they may be putting their child in danger.

Alcohol is legal - and there are plenty of cases where kids are removed from alcohol abusers.


9/10

Now THAT'S how it's done!
 
2013-10-26 11:45:31 AM  

frepnog: jayphat: Isn't this the couple where the guy already had felony arrests in the past for distribution and the couple had the kid removed after there were 8 people smoking in the house at the same time, with their record keeping being so shiatty they had nothing to show they had medical cards too?

wait what?


Go read what they originally got the kid taken away for. Every person that is pro-medical should be disowning these idiots because they were clearly just skirting the law.
 
2013-10-26 11:47:54 AM  
Just another example of "child protection services" abusing their power to screw parents for any reason.

"child protection services"  should be renamed " parent abuse services" ; it would describe them  better !
 
pla
2013-10-26 12:26:12 PM  
jayphat : Go read what they originally got the kid taken away for. Every person that is pro-medical should be disowning these idiots because they were clearly just skirting the law.

"The CPS recommendation was based on an interview with Elliott, testified Lori Bundy, a services specialist with the state Department of Human Services, who is working on the case. Bundy said the child told her last month that he had witnessed "medicine flowers" growing at the house. He also reported "various people in the home smoking in the kitchen with children present," she testified.Bundy was unable to verify the presence of marijuana in the home, she said during Friday's hearing, because the Greens refused to let her enter the house without a court order, based on their attorney's advice.Maria and Steve Green have felony marijuana charges pending in Oakland County, where they used to live, from an incident in 2011. They said they plan to show the court next month that they were legal under the state medical marijuana law to grow the 29 plants that police found. The Greens have had bond conditions placed on them since January, which include not using controlled substances.Maria Green, 31, is a caregiver for four medical marijuana patients and is a patient herself to treat multiple sclerosis."

So, by their own admission, CPS acted on unsubstantiated 3rd-hand hearsay...
That the Greens have something growing around the house that they have a legal right to grow...
And they had visitors using that legal medicine...
Because they have a legal right to provide that medicine to at least four people?

Oh, and I love how it gratuitously tosses out the fact that the Greens actually dared to exercise their 4th amendment rights, because we all know that only evil hardened criminals don't want professional kidnappers casually poking around their home, right?

I... I guess I just don't see it.  Splain' it to my, Looshy?
 
2013-10-26 12:54:38 PM  
The problem is the cards. If they hadn't placed themselves in the database they wouldn't have drawn the unwanted attention.
 
2013-10-26 12:58:06 PM  

umad: I think I would be moving the fark out of Michigan regardless of any agreement. I hear Colorado and know Washington are nice.


Except Washington id contemplating ditching medical Marijuanan card because it'll be available recreationally. That, in itself, opens the door for the Feds to bust anybody for anything. Besides having to re-invent the wheel in marketing pot, when there's a perfectly good Dept of High (State liquor control board) already operating.

/Treat it like alcohol
//Not a Class VI drug.
 
2013-10-26 01:02:21 PM  
They are BOTH medical marijuana users?  What a coinkydink!
 
2013-10-26 01:03:36 PM  

Mikeyworld: umad: I think I would be moving the fark out of Michigan regardless of any agreement. I hear Colorado and know Washington are nice.

Except Washington id contemplating ditching medical Marijuanan card because it'll be available recreationally. That, in itself, opens the door for the Feds to bust anybody for anything. Besides having to re-invent the wheel in marketing pot, when there's a perfectly good Dept of High (State liquor control board) already operating.

/Treat it like alcohol
//Not a Class VI drug.


A a State medical marijuana card offered no additional protection from the Federal Government then recreationally legal at the State level.
 
2013-10-26 01:04:49 PM  

Avery614: frepnog: flondrix: Some people are in a situation where the benefits of medical marijuana outweigh the cost, but that does not mean that the marijuana is not still making them lazy and stupid.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Probably doesn't make you dumb

All the smart kids do it

flondrix should really educate themselves on the myths


First let me get one thing out of the way:  I voted for marijuana legalization.  But I am no more enthusiastic about pot use than I am about alcohol use.

The third article contains the following gem:

Myth: Marijuana is completely harmless  Fact: Heavy use can be harmful. Since pot smoke is chemically very similar to tobacco smoke, heavy pot smokers are at risk for some of the same health effects as cigarette smokers, like bronchitis and other respiratory illnesses. Again, though, the risks are from smoking, which isn't the only way to use marijuana. Another hazard: car accidents caused by driving while high, though the risk is lower than from drunk driving.

I actually agree with Rolling Stone!  I have been saying all along, "Smoke is smoke, and tars and particulates from incompletely combusted vegetable matter cause lung cancer no matter what plant they come from," and "I don't want to share the road with stoned drivers any more than I want to share it with drunk drivers."
 
The first article talks about IQ when you're sobered up, not while under the influence.  I should have made myself clearer:  Pot makes you stupid while you are under the influence--just like alcohol and many other substances.  If someone is under the influence of marijuana (or a number of other substances) a significant portion of the time, they are going to have trouble holding down a job, and should not drive a car.  I think we need to consider the effect of this impairment on child care as well.  There are many prescription medications that impair your ability to do certain tasks, and make you a danger to others if you are in a position of responsibility--why should medical marijuana be any different?

The second article refers to people trying drugs after they have tested as intelligent.  OK, that establishes a baseline, now it would be informative to test the same people after prolonged drug use.  And have a similar age cohort of non-users as a control group.
 
2013-10-26 01:23:02 PM  

duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?


My only critic is that people who just want to smoke up bullshiat their way into medical pot cards, which turns it into a joke and makes the programs legitimate targets for opponents of pot. Pot should be legal (even though it's doubtful I would ever bother with it). I think it's pretty clear we're on that road now, although after the hardcore nutjobs get into power after Obama it will be interesting to see if the progress is reversed. I could see that happening.
 
2013-10-26 01:52:09 PM  

flondrix: Pot makes you stupid while you are under the influence--just like alcohol and many other substances.  If someone is under the influence of marijuana (or a number of other substances) a significant portion of the time, they are going to have trouble holding down a job, and should not drive a car.  I think we need to consider the effect of this impairment on child care as well.  There are many prescription medications that impair your ability to do certain tasks, and make you a danger to others if you are in a position of responsibility--why should medical marijuana be any different?


Warning: Too much exposure to flondrix may lower intelligence.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-26 02:06:13 PM  

Jument: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

My only critic is that people who just want to smoke up bullshiat their way into medical pot cards, which turns it into a joke and makes the programs legitimate targets for opponents of pot. Pot should be legal (even though it's doubtful I would ever bother with it). I think it's pretty clear we're on that road now, although after the hardcore nutjobs get into power after Obama it will be interesting to see if the progress is reversed. I could see that happening.


I see your point, but there are so many pill addicts that have strings of docs who happily prescribe bottle after bottle. You don't see them being gone after like the THC folks. Follow the money for why.
 
2013-10-26 02:19:02 PM  

megarian: The Gentleman Caller: MayoSlather: duffblue: Is there anybody who isn't a dumbass who has a legitimate argument against medicinal marijuana use?

It's very existence is detrimental to children, it makes you lazy so you don't contribute to corporation's bottom line, it forces you to drive and there is no way cops can tell you're joy riding while getting high, and it's a lethal gateway drug that will have you huffing paint within a week. All perfectly legitimate arguments.

It's true. I smoked this morning. Now I'm dead.

^this.

I smoked this morning and not only am I dead, I'm addicted to the heroin now, I just beat someone's dog, and I just rape-impregnated the neighbors.


Hot. When do you rape-impregnate me?!
 
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