If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Chicago Trib)   United Airlines fined $1.1 million for leaving passengers stranded on runways more than three hours. Bonus: Affected travelers will get about $200 each   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 42
    More: Spiffy, United Airlines, United Express, regional airlines, flight delay, broadcast delay, runways, O'Hare International Airport, passengers  
•       •       •

3862 clicks; posted to Main » on 26 Oct 2013 at 4:29 AM (24 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



42 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2013-10-26 01:22:39 AM
They should just give the 1.1 million to the passengers. It's not like the f*cking government had to sit in a plane for hours.
 
2013-10-26 02:23:59 AM
A fine this big will probably force UA to file for bankruptcy again.
 
2013-10-26 04:33:25 AM
www.world-wide-art.com
 
2013-10-26 04:34:43 AM

Bucky Katt: A fine this big will probably force UA to file for bankruptcy again.


Which they love as the execs get bonuses and retainers for being able to get out of contracts with suppliers and employees for a lower rate.

Privatized gains, socialized losses.
 
2013-10-26 04:40:09 AM
Affected travelers will get about $200 each

...in coupons off their next flight on United.
 
2013-10-26 04:42:36 AM

bdub77: They should just give the 1.1 million to the passengers. It's not like the f*cking government had to sit in a plane for hours.


Barry's gotta eat.
 
2013-10-26 05:06:40 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Affected travelers will get about $200 each

...in coupons off their next flight on United.


Bags fly free.

Eventually.
 
2013-10-26 05:11:13 AM
This will result in more cancelled flights, pissing everyone off even more.
 
2013-10-26 05:42:06 AM
At some point it stops being transportation and becomes kidnapping.
 
2013-10-26 05:48:11 AM
$60/hour.  I'm OK with that.

(By way of comparison: EU legislation mandates 250E for 3 hour delays on short haul, rising to 600E for long haul, plus free food and beverages)
 
2013-10-26 05:53:32 AM
Ugh.  Planes don't sit on runways, those are used for takeoff and landing.

/Pilot
 
2013-10-26 05:54:20 AM
CSB- About three weeks ago my flight from Atlanta to Munich was rerouted to JFK. We had a passenger who was being an ass and bothering other flyers. After several warnings from the flight crew, they decided for safety to reroute. We landed at JFK a little heavier than a normal landing due to so much fuel remaining. We blew a tire but no real issue from that. FBI and NYPD came in and took the guy off. We were detained about 2.5 hours and in that time got some extra beverages and FREE pretzels. Just before departing JFK the purser came on the speaker and told us Delta is giving us all 100 USD for the hassle.. I got home, checked my email and sure enough, 100 bucks. End CSB
 
2013-10-26 06:42:35 AM
And United Airlines will write that 1.1 million off on their taxes for a net loss of zero.
 
2013-10-26 06:45:57 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-26 06:55:38 AM

gwowen: $60/hour.  I'm OK with that.

(By way of comparison: EU legislation mandates 250E for 3 hour delays on short haul, rising to 600E for long haul, plus free food and beverages)


United Continental and Air France each owe me at least €250 for two missed connections.  They deny it and have sent me flight vouchers (because they say my initial flights were delayed < 3 hours) but recent EU rulings have said that if the first flight delays causes missed connections, and you arrive 3+ hours late, you're entitled to the compensation.

We'll see how the fight goes - will probably have to escalate to UK and French aviation authorities in both case to force them to pay up.
 
2013-10-26 07:14:05 AM

Pugdaddyk: CSB- About three weeks ago my flight from Atlanta to Munich was rerouted to JFK. We had a passenger who was being an ass and bothering other flyers. After several warnings from the flight crew, they decided for safety to reroute. We landed at JFK a little heavier than a normal landing due to so much fuel remaining. We blew a tire but no real issue from that. FBI and NYPD came in and took the guy off. We were detained about 2.5 hours and in that time got some extra beverages and FREE pretzels. Just before departing JFK the purser came on the speaker and told us Delta is giving us all 100 USD for the hassle.. I got home, checked my email and sure enough, 100 bucks. End CSB


No, before they hauled the guy off they should have let everyone on the plane beat the shiat out of him.
 
2013-10-26 07:28:44 AM

bdub77: They should just give the 1.1 million to the passengers. It's not like the f*cking government had to sit in a plane for hours.


Having the government sit in a plane for hours wouldn't solve anything. Having the government crash in a plane, however ...
 
2013-10-26 08:16:42 AM

bdub77: They should just give the 1.1 million to the passengers. It's not like the f*cking government had to sit in a plane for hours.


This is a better turn out for them, than let's say a class action lawsuit.  After the lawyers got all done two years from now, each passenger would only get $2.17.  If they are luck, that is.
 
2013-10-26 08:30:08 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Affected travelers will get about $200 each

...in coupons off their next flight on United.


Or food vouchers from the Salmonella Cafe on Concourse D.
 
2013-10-26 08:49:09 AM
I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.
 
2013-10-26 09:06:45 AM

tasteslikegreen: And United Airlines will write that 1.1 million off on their taxes for a net loss of zero.


You clearly have no idea how taxes work.
 
2013-10-26 09:33:59 AM

Easy Reader: I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.


Who in their right mind would fly anywhere they could deive in three hours?
 
2013-10-26 10:10:19 AM

tasteslikegreen: And United Airlines will write that 1.1 million off on their taxes for a net loss of zero.


You're Wesley Snipes' accountant, aren't you?
 
2013-10-26 10:12:44 AM
This should encourage the Captain to take-off no matter what the weather is.
 
2013-10-26 10:28:21 AM
The bathrooms were not working on two of the planes?
 
2013-10-26 10:55:05 AM
Cannot imagine being stuck on the Tarmac for so long. I've been stuck for an hour due to plane order and that was enough to almost start a riot on my flight.
 
2013-10-26 11:32:04 AM
united has a problem.

the real question is do we want them to fix it or just let them die by their own hands?

i vote for the latter and am hoping for that american/cactus merger.
 
2013-10-26 01:21:14 PM
If you had to chose only one legacy US carrier to fly on: American, United, Delta or US air which one would you pick? None of them seem that great.
 
2013-10-26 01:25:30 PM

FullMetalPanda: Pugdaddyk: CSB- About three weeks ago my flight from Atlanta to Munich was rerouted to JFK. We had a passenger who was being an ass and bothering other flyers. After several warnings from the flight crew, they decided for safety to reroute. We landed at JFK a little heavier than a normal landing due to so much fuel remaining. We blew a tire but no real issue from that. FBI and NYPD came in and took the guy off. We were detained about 2.5 hours and in that time got some extra beverages and FREE pretzels. Just before departing JFK the purser came on the speaker and told us Delta is giving us all 100 USD for the hassle.. I got home, checked my email and sure enough, 100 bucks. End CSB

No, before they hauled the guy off they should have let everyone on the plane beat the shiat out of him.


It was a pretty cool story but you're right, that would have made it perfect.
 
2013-10-26 01:29:31 PM

stratagos: Easy Reader: I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.

Who in their right mind would fly anywhere they could deive in three hours?


What I'm saying is when you fly, it tends to be the major part of the day, so I'd rather just cut out the stress and drive up to around 750-800 miles.  Other factors are in play of course--the nature of the trip, the time you're going to spend at your destination, what you need to carry with you....
 
2013-10-26 02:09:01 PM
Damn my luck!  I fly United all the time and they're ALWAYS on time.

Now for that other airline based out of DFW...
 
2013-10-26 02:41:10 PM
No, before they hauled the guy off they should have let everyone on the plane beat the shiat out of him.

The flight attendant was telling the guy behind me that she had already told the guy that there are enough strong men on this plane to keep him in order but he was so drunk he didn't care. I didn't get a look at the guy. He was behind a bulkhead about 8 or so rows ahead of me.

The cool part of the csb is while landing, we flew directly over central park and that was a first for me. Also, the sun had just gone down and the sky was fire red. Just as we landed I was able to see the NY skyline silhouetted in that sky. Unforgettable. I think the captain should have cut the lights and we could have given the drunk a blanket party.
 
2013-10-26 04:04:25 PM

Easy Reader: stratagos: Easy Reader: I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.

Who in their right mind would fly anywhere they could deive in three hours?

What I'm saying is when you fly, it tends to be the major part of the day, so I'd rather just cut out the stress and drive up to around 750-800 miles.  Other factors are in play of course--the nature of the trip, the time you're going to spend at your destination, what you need to carry with you....


I have to say, that's a bit much IMHO. a 750 mile trip is at least a 12 hour drive. I feel like absolute crap after a 12 hour drive. OTOH, that's a two hour flight. If you know how to fly (i.e. carryon unless you absolutely must check bags), flying is nowhere near the stress of a 12 hour drive.

Flying sucks, to be sure, but the reality is that it is not that bad. You could hit an unusual delay but you could also get that driving if there's an accident ahead of you or your car breaks down or whatever. My wife and I do carry-on for almost all trips now. We did it for a three week trip to Italy and it was absolutely amazing to be able to go city-to-city with a very manageable amount of stuff. It's liberating to not drag a mountain of stuff you really don't need in a way, and it completely eliminates lining up to check bags at the start, the check bag fee, and waiting for bags at the end.
 
2013-10-26 04:10:32 PM

Jument: Easy Reader: stratagos: Easy Reader: I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.

.......

What I'm saying is when you fly, it tends to be the major part of the day, so I'd rather just cut out the stress and drive up to around 750-800 miles.  Other factors are in play of course--the nature of the trip, the time you're going to spend at your destination, what you need to carry with you....

I have to say, that's a bit much IMHO. a 750 mile trip is at least a 12 hour drive. I feel like absolute crap after a 12 hour drive. OTOH, that's a two hour flight. If you know how to fly (i.e. carryon unless you absolutely must check bags), flying is nowhere near the stress of a 12 hour drive.

Flying sucks, to be sure, but the reality is that it is not that bad. You could hit an unusual delay but you could also get that driving if there's an accident ahead of you or your car breaks down or whatever. My wife and I do carry-on for almost all trips now. We did it for a three week trip to Italy and it was absolutely amazing to be able to go city-to-city with a very manageable amount of stuff. It's liberating to not drag a mountain of stuff you really don't need in a way, and it completely eliminates lining up to check bags at the start, the check bag fee, and waiting for bags at the end.


     Yes, there are pitfalls any way you go.  I work in film production so I'm often traveling with some pelican cases and bags and a computer.  Lately I've been telling producers that I'd rather just drive out for a three or 4 day shoot rather than fly and for about a year now I've found it to be much more pleasant just being on my own schedule and having complete control over my bags.  I've had things stolen from checked bags like my Surefire pen and some laser pointers.
 
2013-10-26 05:05:10 PM
Southwest, Southwest, Southwest....

Even scrambling for seats by sections.
 
2013-10-26 06:45:18 PM

Jument: My wife and I do carry-on for almost all trips now. We did it for a three week trip to Italy and it was absolutely amazing to be able to go city-to-city with a very manageable amount of stuff. It's liberating to not drag a mountain of stuff you really don't need in a way, and it completely eliminates lining up to check bags at the start, the check bag fee, and waiting for bags at the end.


If I may ask, how did you manage to reduce three weeks worth of luggage to a set of carry-on bags?

/planning a four-week trip to the British Isles next year
 
2013-10-26 08:33:55 PM

Easy Reader: I have a little thing now where if I can drive there in a day (around 700 or so miles) that considering luggage, equipment, stress, and inconveniences, I'll forgo air travel and just take my car. For example, consider Birmingham, AL to Atlanta. The actual flight is about 45 minutes and the drive is about 2.5 hours. But getting to the airport an hour early, hoping the plane is in time, the flight, waiting for baggage, getting out of airport land, etc. turns the complete journey into about 3 hours.


That's been my approach as well, only my personal limit is more like 1200 miles.  I can't afford my own jet plane, but I can afford a nice road car.
 
2013-10-26 08:57:41 PM

anfrind: Jument: My wife and I do carry-on for almost all trips now. We did it for a three week trip to Italy and it was absolutely amazing to be able to go city-to-city with a very manageable amount of stuff. It's liberating to not drag a mountain of stuff you really don't need in a way, and it completely eliminates lining up to check bags at the start, the check bag fee, and waiting for bags at the end.

If I may ask, how did you manage to reduce three weeks worth of luggage to a set of carry-on bags?

/planning a four-week trip to the British Isles next year


I did 4 weeks in Europe out of a Tom Bihn Aeronaut and Filson 257. With those two bags and a good set of packing cubes/folders I think 5-6 weeks is doable.
 
2013-10-26 09:46:07 PM

anfrind: Jument: My wife and I do carry-on for almost all trips now. We did it for a three week trip to Italy and it was absolutely amazing to be able to go city-to-city with a very manageable amount of stuff. It's liberating to not drag a mountain of stuff you really don't need in a way, and it completely eliminates lining up to check bags at the start, the check bag fee, and waiting for bags at the end.

If I may ask, how did you manage to reduce three weeks worth of luggage to a set of carry-on bags?

/planning a four-week trip to the British Isles next year


Travel undergarments are a big part of it: designed to dry quickly. Wash a couple in the sink (or easier, while you shower) and dry them in your room. The other part is to be absolutely ruthless. You are going to wear everything multiple times on a multi-week trip anyways, so you may as well wear each item 10+ times instead of just 4+ times. If something gets dirty, wash it in your room with shampoo. On vacation nobody cares if you're basically just alternating between two or three outfits.

I went with three pairs of Exofficio (Amazon carries) underwear and two Exofficio undershirts, plus three tops, one or two pairs of lightweight shorts, one pair of long pants (I went with jeans). A couple of thin but warm items to layer. One pair of walking shoes and one pair of running shoes. A couple of pairs of socks. ~~On cold days we joked that we wore every piece of clothing we brought with us. :)

Apart from the bare minimum of clothing do not pack anything you will not use every single day. If it turns out you really need it, you can always buy one over there. Better that than lugging it around every day for weeks and never touching it.

If you're some kind of fashionista and the idea of not having dinner ensembles freaks you out, I can't help you. We travel to see the sights and enjoy our destination. We try to look presentable but let's face it: we're tourists. Nobody gives a rat's ass how we look as long as we're not offending anyone. We are there to see, not to be seen.

I will say this: it's harder for a woman. My wife has gone from a two-oversized-bag-for-a-weekend traveler to a three-week-carry-on traveler. I can't exactly say how she did it but she also was ruthless and once she got over the pain she became a total convert.
 
2013-10-27 12:59:56 AM
So what. I don't see how these fines solve anything. Flights will just be cancelled more regularly.
 
2013-10-27 12:46:59 PM
Carth:
Jument:


Thanks for the advice!
 
2013-10-27 12:58:09 PM

Carth: If you had to chose only one legacy US carrier to fly on: American, United, Delta or US air which one would you pick? None of them seem that great.


That's kind of like asking whether you'd liked to be kicked in your left or your right testicle.
 
Displayed 42 of 42 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report