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2013-10-25 10:15:43 PM
Yes, because pissing in a bush while drunk in college should disqualify you for teaching kids or having a meaningful rest of your life
 
2013-10-25 10:16:57 PM
Of course teachers are against it, all the hot female ones want to stalk on underage boys and their loser male counterparts comply in the hopes maybe they will get some pity sex.
 
2013-10-25 10:17:04 PM
Considering the loose criteria for being placed on the sex offender registry, I'm not surprised the union would have a problem with it.
 
2013-10-25 10:17:40 PM

anwserman: Yes, because pissing in a bush while drunk in college should disqualify you for teaching kids or having a meaningful rest of your life


But ZOMG UNIONS WANT TO RAPE YOUR CHILDREN!!!

I feel dirty that I clicked on a Fox link by accident.
 
2013-10-25 10:18:08 PM
"There are certain rights you give up if you rape somebody and get convicted."

Don't get convicted. Porblem solved.
 
2013-10-25 10:18:11 PM

Snapper Carr: Considering the loose criteria for being placed on the sex offender registry, I'm not surprised the union would have a problem with it.


But but union wants SEX OFFENDERS working with YOUR CHILDREN!

We report, YOU Decide....FOX NEWS! FAIR AND BALANCED!!!!!
 
2013-10-25 10:18:38 PM

anwserman: Yes, because pissing in a bush while drunk in college should disqualify you for teaching kids or having a meaningful rest of your life


Done in one. I'm sure if the bill only covered convicted rapists the union would not be objecting. But most of these bills are "you once looked at someone funny one time so no teaching for you. "
 
2013-10-25 10:19:08 PM
yeah, i hear the nea constantly clamoring for sentencing reform.
 
2013-10-25 10:19:11 PM

Snapper Carr: Considering the loose criteria for being placed on the sex offender registry, I'm not surprised the union would have a problem with it.


That would be one problem.

StatelyGreekAutomaton: "There are certain rights you give up if you rape somebody and get convicted."

Don't get convicted. Porblem solved.


That would be the other problem.
 
2013-10-25 10:19:16 PM
A Fox News with a story that paints unions in a negative light? UNPOSSIBLE!
 
2013-10-25 10:19:36 PM

anwserman: Yes, because pissing in a bush while drunk in college should disqualify you for teaching kids or having a meaningful rest of your life


The only sex offender I've ever known earned his scarlet letter for that.  Outside of that, though, I thought it was beyond difficult to get a teaching position if you had a conviction of any sort, including that time you received a misdemeanor for drinking underage in college and still managed to use proper restroom facilities with a closed and locked door.
 
2013-10-25 10:19:42 PM
Hubs is a teacher and when he started looking for jobs every district did a background check. I was under the impression that if they found anything he wouldn't get hired.
 
2013-10-25 10:20:20 PM

StatelyGreekAutomaton: "There are certain rights you give up if you rape somebody and get convicted."

Don't get convicted. Porblem solved.


This is seemingly the moral of the story.
 
2013-10-25 10:20:32 PM
Dear Fox,

Sex offender does not necessarily equal rapist.

Yours in Christ,

The koala

/what does the fox say? WHARGARBLE
 
2013-10-25 10:21:14 PM

Sugarbombs: The only sex offender I've ever known earned his scarlet letter for that.


I know two who got thrown on the registry in Tennessee for statutory rape, both as 18 year olds who were in a relationship with a 16-17 year old, one in the 1970s, one in the 1980s.
 
2013-10-25 10:22:06 PM
Does every "point" these conservative news sources make have to be riddled with a complete lack of common sense?

I'm just tired of all the bullshiat.  When will it end?
 
2013-10-25 10:22:43 PM
The sex-offender label needs a serious overhaul to exclude things like peeing in a bush and some statutory rape where the age differences are very close together.  That said, I have little doubt unions would still fight this no matter what because it's what government unions do.
 
2013-10-25 10:23:58 PM
I wonder if Matthew Barnett, the rapist from Maryville, MO, would be on such a list.
 
2013-10-25 10:24:00 PM

CivicMindedFive: That said, I have little doubt unions would still fight this no matter what because it's what government unions do.


Our teachers, why do they hate students?
 
2013-10-25 10:24:51 PM
Just as bad as the Teachers Union in Canada that opposes the firing of teachers convicted of sexually molesting of children.
 
2013-10-25 10:25:23 PM

CivicMindedFive: The sex-offender label needs a serious overhaul to exclude things like peeing in a bush and some statutory rape where the age differences are very close together.  That said, I have little doubt unions would still fight this no matter what because it's what government unions do.


Yeah, and your heroes, "the authority", would keep people from teaching if they pee on a wall outside.

Maybe, just maybe, they meet somewhere in the middle.

Huh.

/tiring.
 
2013-10-25 10:25:39 PM
I especially the part of the article where the union rep was interviewed on their opposition to the bill and they said... uh, we have no farking idea what the union said because Fox News Insider didn't tell us. How do we even know they're against it at all?
 
2013-10-25 10:25:47 PM
The judge I clerked for was the Megans Law judge for our county. My favorite story was about a 19 year old who slept with a 17-year-old promising her that if she slept with him she would be in the Crips gang. Problem was he was not really in the Crips. When she found out she pressed charges.
 
2013-10-25 10:25:50 PM

hardinparamedic: Sugarbombs: The only sex offender I've ever known earned his scarlet letter for that.

I know two who got thrown on the registry in Tennessee for statutory rape, both as 18 year olds who were in a relationship with a 16-17 year old, one in the 1970s, one in the 1980s.


It's been changed since then, in some states. for exactly that reason. But getting your name OFF the registry for that reason is harder than getting your name off the FBI's watch list as a suspected terrorist. Because, you know, the children.

You should have thought of that before you had a sexual relationship in the 1970's with a girl who didn't turn 17 when you turned 18, I guess.
 
2013-10-25 10:29:42 PM
Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist
 
2013-10-25 10:30:56 PM

Koalaesq: The judge I clerked for was the Megans Law judge for our county. My favorite story was about a 19 year old who slept with a 17-year-old promising her that if she slept with him she would be in the Crips gang. Problem was he was not really in the Crips. When she found out she pressed charges.


Execute them both.
 
2013-10-25 10:31:09 PM

Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist


Why should tier 1 be a tier at all?
 
2013-10-25 10:32:06 PM

cptjeff: Koalaesq: The judge I clerked for was the Megans Law judge for our county. My favorite story was about a 19 year old who slept with a 17-year-old promising her that if she slept with him she would be in the Crips gang. Problem was he was not really in the Crips. When she found out she pressed charges.

Execute them both.


That was pretty much my opinion too.
 
2013-10-25 10:32:12 PM
I was planning to visit this thread and make a comment or two.  But then I reviewed the handful of comments in here and anything and everything I was going to say has already been said.  I wasn't going to go all snark, I wasn't going to dial up the mockery.  In light of this, I probably could go one of those two routes, and I could do it quite successfully.  I might even get a few people to click the smart or funny buttons.  Likely, at some point, I might even get a reply or two.

One of them might be from some poor schmuck whose sarcasmometer is on the fritz.  There's always a few of them in every thread.  No matter how obvious I make my comments, they latch on to the imaginary boogey man they want to believe is behind the comment and simply cannot resist the temptation to reply.

The other(s) are in on the joke.  They know the deal, they play along.  Either they congratulate me on my post or expound upon it.  Maybe they'll be funnier, kudos to you Farker who can take a comment and reply to it with outstanding wit and humor.  You deserve all the attention you get and more.  Maybe it'll be a half hearted reply, acknowledging that you see what I did there or some variation on one of the other half thousand popular memes rolling around on Fark these days.

Regardless of it all, I'll be sure to hit the smart and funny link on your post.  People don't use those enough, so hopefully if you even bother to check, you'd see your name, your post, in the funny and smart lists for having spent the time to reply to me.  Even if your response was due to your inability to read between the lines, or your joke fell flat, I still love you.

In closing, I want to return to the subject matter at hand, rather than my psuedo intellectual meta spiel.  I'm sure this is all somehow Obama's fault.  He's probably in conspiracy with the Teahadists to criminalize education for rejecting the Muslim faith and creationism.  The net effect is that kids will no longer be smart enough to figure out what 15% of their meal costs, so they'll all start using the tip line on their restaurant receipts to leave passive aggressive racial, sexist and homophobic remarks and then drive off on their zero emission bicycles while they run red lights and block off traffic as they head off to the hospital to have their first born son circumcised, twice, even though it won't matter since the kid is going to grow up to kill a bunch of folks in a mass shooting that wasn't thwarted because the only people left that are still legally able to teach aren't allowed to carry assault rifles to protect the children.  The end.
 
2013-10-25 10:32:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: hardinparamedic: Sugarbombs: The only sex offender I've ever known earned his scarlet letter for that.

I know two who got thrown on the registry in Tennessee for statutory rape, both as 18 year olds who were in a relationship with a 16-17 year old, one in the 1970s, one in the 1980s.

It's been changed since then, in some states. for exactly that reason. But getting your name OFF the registry for that reason is harder than getting your name off the FBI's watch list as a suspected terrorist. Because, you know, the children.

You should have thought of that before you had a sexual relationship in the 1970's with a girl who didn't turn 17 when you turned 18, I guess.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-25 10:32:59 PM
one year for S and G's I checked the database of the 10 miles near my house in Florida. There was no one near our house and I read a bunch of the bios. There was a house that had two people in it...I clicked on it and it was  a husband and wife...and I know them. Their son is on my son's youth football team.

The husband is a raging a-hole. Tats on his neck, anger issues, jorts, etc... The wife is nice enough and helps my wife and I do the water for the team. She loves to run on the field and give the 12-14 year olds water. The coaches of the league knew he was a felon. Not long after I found out, one of our coaches finds out...on his own. He tells the league and to minimize stuff...they say only two on the sidelines besides coaches for water. That is me and my wife. They made this rule to keep them as far from the kids as they could.

We did find out that they are allowed on school property and around kids and all that because...they were convicted before 2003 or 4 when some law was passed prohibiting it.

He plead guilty and will carry the sex offender thing for life. She plead some sort of plea so that she is only on the register for 10 years.

She got lewd conduct with a minor age 12-14 and he got rape of a minor age 14-16 via alcohol/drug coercion. Found out it was their kids baby-sitter.
 
2013-10-25 10:33:54 PM

MrHappyRotter: I was planning to visit this thread and make a comment or two.  But then I reviewed the handful of comments in here and anything and everything I was going to say has already been said.  I wasn't going to go all snark, I wasn't going to dial up the mockery.  In light of this, I probably could go one of those two routes, and I could do it quite successfully.  I might even get a few people to click the smart or funny buttons.  Likely, at some point, I might even get a reply or two.

One of them might be from some poor schmuck whose sarcasmometer is on the fritz.  There's always a few of them in every thread.  No matter how obvious I make my comments, they latch on to the imaginary boogey man they want to believe is behind the comment and simply cannot resist the temptation to reply.

The other(s) are in on the joke.  They know the deal, they play along.  Either they congratulate me on my post or expound upon it.  Maybe they'll be funnier, kudos to you Farker who can take a comment and reply to it with outstanding wit and humor.  You deserve all the attention you get and more.  Maybe it'll be a half hearted reply, acknowledging that you see what I did there or some variation on one of the other half thousand popular memes rolling around on Fark these days.

Regardless of it all, I'll be sure to hit the smart and funny link on your post.  People don't use those enough, so hopefully if you even bother to check, you'd see your name, your post, in the funny and smart lists for having spent the time to reply to me.  Even if your response was due to your inability to read between the lines, or your joke fell flat, I still love you.

In closing, I want to return to the subject matter at hand, rather than my psuedo intellectual meta spiel.  I'm sure this is all somehow Obama's fault.  He's probably in conspiracy with the Teahadists to criminalize education for rejecting the Muslim faith and creationism.  The net effect is that kids will no longer be smart enough to figure out ...


Garth, that's a haiku!
 
2013-10-25 10:35:13 PM

Koalaesq: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

Why should tier 1 be a tier at all?


I chose an innocuous case that nobody would support criminalizing, but there are other examples of crimes that probably cross the line of illegality, while still not being so serious as to ruin someone's future.  Drunken streaking during a football game, etc.
 
2013-10-25 10:35:52 PM

Tanukis_Parachute: one year for S and G's I checked the database of the 10 miles near my house in Florida. There was no one near our house and I read a bunch of the bios. There was a house that had two people in it...I clicked on it and it was  a husband and wife...and I know them. Their son is on my son's youth football team.

The husband is a raging a-hole. Tats on his neck, anger issues, jorts, etc... The wife is nice enough and helps my wife and I do the water for the team. She loves to run on the field and give the 12-14 year olds water. The coaches of the league knew he was a felon. Not long after I found out, one of our coaches finds out...on his own. He tells the league and to minimize stuff...they say only two on the sidelines besides coaches for water. That is me and my wife. They made this rule to keep them as far from the kids as they could.

We did find out that they are allowed on school property and around kids and all that because...they were convicted before 2003 or 4 when some law was passed prohibiting it.

He plead guilty and will carry the sex offender thing for life. She plead some sort of plea so that she is only on the register for 10 years.

She got lewd conduct with a minor age 12-14 and he got rape of a minor age 14-16 via alcohol/drug coercion. Found out it was their kids baby-sitter.


Wow, I'm not sure why I picked this thread to park in tonight, but that's pretty awful.
 
2013-10-25 10:36:56 PM

Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist


I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't wa t a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.
 
2013-10-25 10:38:58 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't wa t a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.


This perv beast of a woman you write of, she in your neighborhood, available?
 
2013-10-25 10:40:36 PM
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Nuff said.
 
2013-10-25 10:42:04 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't want a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.


Fine, let's compromise.  Tier 2A and Tier 2B depending on how good-looking she is.

Just kidding.  You're right, we wouldn't want Tier 2 offenders teaching kids either.  My post was intended to get the ball rolling, not be the final word on the matter (and it was an opportunity to use the phrase "legitimate rapist").
 
2013-10-25 10:42:41 PM

Abox: [img.fark.net image 246x36]


Nuff said.


chicken farker

/hey it works!
 
2013-10-25 10:43:04 PM
I think we were done in one.
 
2013-10-25 10:43:12 PM

jim32rr: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't wa t a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.

This perv beast of a woman you write of, she in your neighborhood, available?


I don't know where your mom is right now, sorry.
 
2013-10-25 10:44:06 PM

MrHappyRotter: I was planning to visit this thread and make a comment or two.  But then I reviewed the handful of comments in here and anything and everything I was going to say has already been said.  I wasn't going to go all snark, I wasn't going to dial up the mockery.  In light of this, I probably could go one of those two routes, and I could do it quite successfully.  I might even get a few people to click the smart or funny buttons.  Likely, at some point, I might even get a reply or two.

One of them might be from some poor schmuck whose sarcasmometer is on the fritz.  There's always a few of them in every thread.  No matter how obvious I make my comments, they latch on to the imaginary boogey man they want to believe is behind the comment and simply cannot resist the temptation to reply.

The other(s) are in on the joke.  They know the deal, they play along.  Either they congratulate me on my post or expound upon it.  Maybe they'll be funnier, kudos to you Farker who can take a comment and reply to it with outstanding wit and humor.  You deserve all the attention you get and more.  Maybe it'll be a half hearted reply, acknowledging that you see what I did there or some variation on one of the other half thousand popular memes rolling around on Fark these days.

Regardless of it all, I'll be sure to hit the smart and funny link on your post.  People don't use those enough, so hopefully if you even bother to check, you'd see your name, your post, in the funny and smart lists for having spent the time to reply to me.  Even if your response was due to your inability to read between the lines, or your joke fell flat, I still love you.

In closing, I want to return to the subject matter at hand, rather than my psuedo intellectual meta spiel.  I'm sure this is all somehow Obama's fault.  He's probably in conspiracy with the Teahadists to criminalize education for rejecting the Muslim faith and creationism.  The net effect is that kids will no longer be smart enough to figure out ...


That is all fine and dandy, Rotter. I think you missed the crux of the story, though. We are talking about illegal brown people janitor types, in our country raping our mothers, daughters, sisters, and wives. Try to keep up.
 
2013-10-25 10:45:13 PM
Also it stands to reason that during a 20+ year career, a teacher would have at least one accusation against him/her.

/if true, throw the book at 'em
//if false, it shouldn't ever come up again.
 
2013-10-25 10:46:37 PM
How about we just let people who have fully completed their sentences, including probation, get on with their lives and contribute to society.  Do a background check and handle things on a case by case basis.
 
2013-10-25 10:47:39 PM
Upon examining Wikipedia's entry of the Sex Offender Registry, apparently my idea of a tiered system is already in place.  But it's not helpful to my proposal of only banning certain tiers from teaching, because the lowest tier, Tier 1, includes offenses such as possession of child pornography.  Call me old-fashioned, but IMHO that is not a desirable trait in a teacher.
 
2013-10-25 10:47:59 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't wa t a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.


I had the same thought, kind of.  You cropped out the streaking during a football game.  Streaking during a big time event is pretty hardcore.  That's odd. Flashing your tatas during Mardi Gras isn't a big deal.  Hell neither is working as an erotic dancer to finance your undergrad degree.  But streaking with the chance to be on tv is just a little over the top.
 
2013-10-25 10:48:17 PM

NewWorldDan: How about we just let people who have fully completed their sentences, including probation, get on with their lives and contribute to society.  Do a background check and handle things on a case by case basis.


Kinda like a "free market" of accusation?  It'll never work.
 
2013-10-25 10:49:35 PM

Captain Dan: Upon examining Wikipedia's entry of the Sex Offender Registry, apparently my idea of a tiered system is already in place.  But it's not helpful to my proposal of only banning certain tiers from teaching, because the lowest tier, Tier 1, includes offenses such as possession of child pornography.  Call me old-fashioned, but IMHO that is not a desirable trait in a teacher.


the tiers- at least in my state- have to do with the likelihood of reoffending and dangerousness level of the offender. kind of like your plan but not as narrow
 
2013-10-25 10:51:40 PM

Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist


You know, Drew has ways to try and shut your whole account down.
 
2013-10-25 10:55:18 PM

tuna fingers: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Captain Dan: Why can't both parties just reform the sex offender list?  Give it three tiers, and ban Tier 3 offenders from teaching.

Tier 1 - 16 year old has sex with 16 year old
Tier 2 - flasher
Tier 3 - legitimate rapist

I don't want to get all "Think of the Children" on you, but I don't wa t a flasher teaching my kids. Some perv beast of a woman wearing skirts and no underoos to my kindergartener's circle time? No thank you.

I had the same thought, kind of.  You cropped out the streaking during a football game.  Streaking during a big time event is pretty hardcore.  That's odd. Flashing your tatas during Mardi Gras isn't a big deal.  Hell neither is working as an erotic dancer to finance your undergrad degree.  But streaking with the chance to be on tv is just a little over the top.


Really. I don't think I'd have a problem with a streaker. Seems like more of a matter of impulse control rather than "look at my junk." Isn't that interesting? In my mind the girl who flashes for beads is drunk and lewd and a dirty whore and the dude that streaks at the Super Bowl is just a silly nut with no regard for potential consequences. But they're both doing that aren't they.

I'm having quite the crisis of belief right now. She's still a dirty whore, though.
 
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