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2013-10-25 03:49:29 PM  
Oh come on!  Where the hell am I going to find an internet connection?
 
2013-10-25 04:09:21 PM  
So you need the internet connection to download everything you need to take advantage of the internet connection. I don't see anywhere stating the device is a brick until it connects.

Fail is for you subby.
 
2013-10-25 04:47:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: So you need the internet connection to download everything you need to take advantage of the internet connection. I don't see anywhere stating the device is a brick until it connects.

Fail is for you subby.


FTFA:

Online multiplayer via PS Plus and multiple account PSN account log-in are also bundled into this Day One update, in addition to Blu-ray and DVD support, the ability to play background music while in-game and Party chat

Those don't sound like online only features.

I would have just assumed you would want to have a PS4 connected to the internet. Kinda makes simple sense.

/not subby
 
2013-10-25 04:54:53 PM  

mediablitz: scottydoesntknow: So you need the internet connection to download everything you need to take advantage of the internet connection. I don't see anywhere stating the device is a brick until it connects.

Fail is for you subby.

FTFA:

Online multiplayer via PS Plus and multiple account PSN account log-in are also bundled into this Day One update, in addition to Blu-ray and DVD support, the ability to play background music while in-game and Party chat

Those don't sound like online only features.

I would have just assumed you would want to have a PS4 connected to the internet. Kinda makes simple sense.

/not subby


Ahh my bad. I didn't realize they were still listing off update info 4 paragraphs into it. That is kinda weird.
 
2013-10-25 04:59:06 PM  
Ahh my bad. I didn't realize they were still listing off update info 4 paragraphs into it. That is kinda weird.

I was right there with you until the very end, lol. I'm kinda stunned blu-ray and dvd support isn't out of the box ready.
 
2013-10-25 05:48:40 PM  
Everything needs an internet connection these days

It is the natural evolution of technology
 
2013-10-25 05:49:11 PM  
The issue with the XBone was the  always on internet requirement.  That isn't what this is (and . . . we think that the XBone won't require a Day One update?).
 
2013-10-25 05:51:14 PM  

mediablitz: Ahh my bad. I didn't realize they were still listing off update info 4 paragraphs into it. That is kinda weird.

I was right there with you until the very end, lol. I'm kinda stunned blu-ray and dvd support isn't out of the box ready.


I think it's for constant repatching of Cinavia. Somebody figures out a way to defeat it, and they issue a mandatory update.
 
2013-10-25 05:53:05 PM  

SphericalTime: (and . . . we think that the XBone won't require a Day One update?).


They said there will be months ago. Funny enough, the main purpose of it is to disable all the crap that people were freaking out about (always on requirement, kinect requirement, etc.)
 
2013-10-25 05:55:33 PM  

SphericalTime: The issue with the XBone was the  always on internet requirement.  That isn't what this is (and . . . we think that the XBone won't require a Day One update?).


Don't think anyone implied that.  They announced the Day One requirement a while ago.  There was a small vocal minority saying they would go PS4 since they had no interest in connecting their unit to the internet ever,
 
2013-10-25 06:22:20 PM  
oh man, I need a patch before I can use the share button?  That shiat's just tragic.  How am I going to share things without a working share button?
 
2013-10-25 06:27:37 PM  

Nefarious: SphericalTime: The issue with the XBone was the  always on internet requirement.  That isn't what this is (and . . . we think that the XBone won't require a Day One update?).

Don't think anyone implied that.  They announced the Day One requirement a while ago.  There was a small vocal minority saying they would go PS4 since they had no interest in connecting their unit to the internet ever,


Actually, I remember sitting around in those threads and no one was really suggesting that except for guys in the military that were taking their platforms overseas to play games in the sandbox.
 
2013-10-25 06:28:16 PM  
ROFL. I love these type of threads, because you can actually hear the backpedalling of the people who "already ordered my PS4" in the threads about Xbox One requiring internet connection.

Things require internet?!? What is this, 2013 or something?
 
2013-10-25 06:30:17 PM  
subby here
/runs from thread
 
2013-10-25 06:33:07 PM  
If this was 1993 or so this would be a serious problem.
 
2013-10-25 06:34:16 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: subby here
/runs from thread


Ehh I retracted my fail is for subby. Lack of DVD/Blu-ray functionality on day one is very odd.

Still wouldn't affect my purchase if I were getting one, but I could see it affecting people who have zero access to internet from the get-go.
 
2013-10-25 06:40:33 PM  

mediablitz: scottydoesntknow: So you need the internet connection to download everything you need to take advantage of the internet connection. I don't see anywhere stating the device is a brick until it connects.

Fail is for you subby.

FTFA:

Online multiplayer via PS Plus and multiple account PSN account log-in are also bundled into this Day One update, in addition to Blu-ray and DVD support, the ability to play background music while in-game and Party chat

Those don't sound like online only features.

I would have just assumed you would want to have a PS4 connected to the internet. Kinda makes simple sense.

/not subby


That's a whole slew of features I don't care about. Yay me!
 
2013-10-25 06:52:50 PM  
I think I'll get over it.
 
2013-10-25 06:52:58 PM  
I'm getting an Xbone.

/Haters gonna hate.
//The rest of us will be playing games on whatever console (or PC) we like.
 
2013-10-25 06:53:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Ehh I retracted my fail is for subby. Lack of DVD/Blu-ray functionality on day one is very odd.


Well, it says "support" not "functionality." They're not necessarily the same thing.
 
2013-10-25 06:53:15 PM  

cman: Everything needs an internet connection these days

It is the natural evolution of technology




I said words to the same effect during the xbone debacle and got branded a Microsoft lackey for it.

Most of the people complaining aren't going without internet connections. They just want something to complain about.
The technology has come too far to live without patches and drm updates anymore.
 
2013-10-25 06:55:54 PM  
Subby's trolling or failed the reading comprehension portion of the SATs.
 
2013-10-25 07:00:02 PM  
Silly peasant, you need the internet connection to *prove* that you didn't get your PS4 from some grey-market seller! And that you didn't get your PS4 games from some grey-market seller! Because the only way to get the *true* PS4 experience is to buy everything from a licensed Sony Partner!
 
2013-10-25 07:02:31 PM  
It is odd that some of the features aren't out of the box(maybe there have been some upgrades/compatibility issues?),  but it's a one time download and doesn't need to be constant, so I've got no issues.
 
2013-10-25 07:05:51 PM  
It doesn't say you need an internet connection. It says you need an update via the internet to enable certain functionality.

Whether that's shiatty quality control or DRM dickishness, who knows. It's Sony. It's a toss-up. They're both idiots and assholes.
 
2013-10-25 07:07:42 PM  
oh yes, needing an update is the same as needing to periodically phone home.
 
2013-10-25 07:08:18 PM  
know why they call it an xbox one

because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away
 
2013-10-25 07:15:17 PM  

sprawl15: know why they call it an xbox one

because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away


Why would you look at it, do a complete circle, and then walk over it?
 
2013-10-25 07:17:50 PM  

FormlessOne: sprawl15: know why they call it an xbox one

because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away

Why would you look at it, do a complete circle, and then walk over it?


i38.tinypic.com

/I appreciated it sprawl15
 
2013-10-25 07:18:26 PM  
It's a slippery slope. Next thing you know, Fark will require an internet connection...
 
2013-10-25 07:22:24 PM  
Seriously? The PS4 has been in boxes for months now. Developers are developing for the system, sony is testing the system, etc.. I would be shocked if there wasn't an update required day one or at least week one. It is 2013!
 
2013-10-25 07:30:19 PM  
Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.
 
2013-10-25 07:30:29 PM  

jbrady3324: Seriously? The PS4 has been in boxes for months now. Developers are developing for the system, sony is testing the system, etc.. I would be shocked if there wasn't an update required day one or at least week one. It is 2013!


Sure, but an update that enables DVD and Blu Ray movie playback?
 
2013-10-25 07:32:36 PM  

grimlock1972: Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.


You can always go outside and yell at some clouds.
 
2013-10-25 07:49:23 PM  

the_sidewinder: jbrady3324: Seriously? The PS4 has been in boxes for months now. Developers are developing for the system, sony is testing the system, etc.. I would be shocked if there wasn't an update required day one or at least week one. It is 2013!

Sure, but an update that enables DVD and Blu Ray movie playback?


Now *that* would be a bit of a surprise... if not for the fact that the production studios keep on changing the precise standards for their Blu-Ray and DVD releases week-to-week to try to stay ahead of the pirates (and fail at it, BTW, because the pirates are being fed the inside stuff from the very people in charge of such things at the studios).
 
2013-10-25 08:24:27 PM  
My thinking is there's two reasons for this:

To keep the street date valid, can't play on a system you got stole and sold early.

The other is Foxconns been pumping these babies out since what?  June?  July?  Thats months and months of extra production to make sure orders are filled.

I have have a choice between them starting production late and not getting a system due to demand, or needing to download the final 300 OS; I'll take the OS.


Also subby, the hate for the XBone is their download is needed to disable the shiatsandwich MS decided to 180 on, since their DRM machine OS needed a major rework and was already loaded into production.  I honestly don't know too many people mad that they're getting a better system with a day 1 download now.  Day 1 downloads also aren't always online.
 
2013-10-25 08:24:39 PM  
"I play games on consoles because I don't want to have to bother with patches and new software.  I just want to put the damn game in and play it."
 
2013-10-25 08:37:04 PM  

grimlock1972: Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.


I miss the days where when you could by (sic) a console, take it out of the box, hook it up, and never ... ever ... get any additional functionality whatsoever for the entire time you own the box.  Especially free of charge.

/those where the awesome days
 
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2013-10-25 08:40:13 PM  

gingerjet: grimlock1972: Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.

I miss the days where when you could by (sic) a console, take it out of the box, hook it up, and never ... ever ... get any additional functionality whatsoever for the entire time you own the box.  Especially free of charge.

/those where the awesome days


Since I'm currently playing Dragon Quest^wWarrior VII, I'm really getting a kick out of this reply.
 
2013-10-25 08:43:01 PM  

FormlessOne: sprawl15: know why they call it an xbox one

because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away

Why would you look at it, do a complete compleat circle, and then walk over it?


/sorry, pet peave
 
2013-10-25 08:46:12 PM  

sprawl15: know why they call it an xbox one

because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away


Motha farkin moonwalk!
 
2013-10-25 09:09:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: grimlock1972: Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.

You can always go outside and yell at some clouds.


gingerjet: grimlock1972: Day one "required" downloads drive me nuts, seriously complete the friggen testing and get all that shiat working before you go to production.

I Miss the days when you could by a console take it out of the box, hook it up  and it was good to go to play, no need for updates or patches right out of the box.

I miss the days where when you could by (sic) a console, take it out of the box, hook it up, and never ... ever ... get any additional functionality whatsoever for the entire time you own the box.  Especially free of charge.

/those where the awesome days


Both of you get off my lawn.

Our games were hard and we liked it that way,
 
2013-10-25 09:16:07 PM  

mediablitz: scottydoesntknow: So you need the internet connection to download everything you need to take advantage of the internet connection. I don't see anywhere stating the device is a brick until it connects.

Fail is for you subby.

FTFA:

Online multiplayer via PS Plus and multiple account PSN account log-in are also bundled into this Day One update, in addition to Blu-ray and DVD support, the ability to play background music while in-game and Party chat

Those don't sound like online only features.


They do now.

Circular logic victory.
 
2013-10-25 09:20:44 PM  
this seems like a non issue.
modern console needs internet patches for software after being in production for months, more news at eleven
 
2013-10-25 09:33:16 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-25 09:46:47 PM  

cman: Everything needs an internet connection these days

It is the natural evolution of technology


Why? does it "need" one? A game disk should be able to play without one...a CD should be able to play without one a DVD should be able to play without one, no?
What really needs the internet connection? The consumer or the corporation?
It's not a natural evolution of technology as any 'value' from the internet connection could be ignored, or put off until a connection is available. The only value of a always on internet connection for a stand-alone game (which you have purchased) is to the corporation, not the consumer.


Servicemen in other countries or on Navy ships don't always have a internet connections for their base or ship for such entertainment devices. Also people that have homes or vacation cabins in remote areas don't have always on internet connections. Why should someone pay for a hardwired internet connection?

More than few of my friends only use their phones for internet things. Now, how are they supposed to use their phones to connect to a game console, without jumping through multiple hoops to make a 'hotspot' etc. And DL the software on both the phone and game box?

The natural evolution of technology is that your 'internet' is phone--and not a 50 buck charge from time Warner.
 
2013-10-25 09:52:29 PM  
A. Day one patch
B. Technically you need to connect online anyways to play online.
C. Pretty much 75% of the promised features will be patched in including BluRay/DVD playing? So, it can't play movies or games until the patch?

What the Fark Is this shiat?
 
2013-10-25 09:59:25 PM  

ClavellBCMI: the_sidewinder: jbrady3324: Seriously? The PS4 has been in boxes for months now. Developers are developing for the system, sony is testing the system, etc.. I would be shocked if there wasn't an update required day one or at least week one. It is 2013!

Sure, but an update that enables DVD and Blu Ray movie playback?

Now *that* would be a bit of a surprise... if not for the fact that the production studios keep on changing the precise standards for their Blu-Ray and DVD releases week-to-week to try to stay ahead of the pirates (and fail at it, BTW, because the pirates are being fed the inside stuff from the very people in charge of such things at the studios).


Which is a poor excuse because my Blue Ray player I bought at Big Lots for 40 bucks more than a year ago plays any blue ray disk I throw at it, and the DVD player I pulled out of the attic to give my parents because theirs died, plays new dvds without any problem.

How is Sonys pension plan?
 
2013-10-25 10:13:54 PM  

Cpl.D: "I play games on consoles because I don't want to have to bother with patches and new software.  I just want to put the damn game in and play it."


I just want to watch Netflix but I can't until I spend an hour downloading an update.
 
2013-10-25 10:33:44 PM  

optikeye: cman: Everything needs an internet connection these days

It is the natural evolution of technology

Why? does it "need" one? A game disk should be able to play without one...a CD should be able to play without one a DVD should be able to play without one, no?
What really needs the internet connection? The consumer or the corporation?
It's not a natural evolution of technology as any 'value' from the internet connection could be ignored, or put off until a connection is available. The only value of a always on internet connection for a stand-alone game (which you have purchased) is to the corporation, not the consumer.


Servicemen in other countries or on Navy ships don't always have a internet connections for their base or ship for such entertainment devices. Also people that have homes or vacation cabins in remote areas don't have always on internet connections. Why should someone pay for a hardwired internet connection?

More than few of my friends only use their phones for internet things. Now, how are they supposed to use their phones to connect to a game console, without jumping through multiple hoops to make a 'hotspot' etc. And DL the software on both the phone and game box?

The natural evolution of technology is that your 'internet' is phone--and not a 50 buck charge from time Warner.


1. The new generation of consoles are literally computers. Computers need updates constantly because of the complexity of the hardware and software.

2. Games are also massively more complex. Even something as simple Donkey Kong shipped with a game-crashing bug that has since been fixed in emulator ROMs. With broadband internet connections, it doesn't make sense to add months or years to the development time when you can push out a fix via the web.

3. How often is someone going to buy a brand new console and immediately head to a remote cabin, a submarine, or a FOB in Bumfark Province, Afghanistan? There will always be edge cases, and it makes no sense to limit new console capabilities or delay the ship date just to fix something that is an issue to a tiny number of users. A persistent connection requirement is an issue, but it is not really a burden to ask someone to hook a new box up to the web for 15 minutes to update it before heading to the boonies.

4. LTE is rolled out in a lot of the country now, so tethering at 10 Mbps and up is a realistic prospect, even in areas where wired broadband is not available. Pulling down 300 MB over a cell connection is no harder than over wired broadband. The biggest issue is the tiny caps the carriers have, but even that is getting better For example, T-Mobile is giving away 200 MB of bandwidth for free to anyone on a tablet now, no contract required. If they keep pushing the bigger carriers, it could make mobile broadband pricing more reasonable in the nearish time frame.
 
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