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(Reuters)   Germany: We are going to build our own internet, but with blackjack, and scheiße videos   (reuters.com) divider line 15
    More: Followup, Germans, video cameras, web hosting service, Deutsche Telekom, Stasi, East Germany, Angela Merkel  
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1379 clicks; posted to Politics » on 25 Oct 2013 at 12:54 PM (44 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-10-26 12:20:05 AM
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No Such Agency: dittybopper:
That's OK, the US Alan Turing, British military intelligence and Polish cryptographers has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.

FTFY


No, let's clarify and expand: the Third Reich was defeated in large part due to the work of a gay guy with Asperger's, a bunch of Polish mathematicians, a handful of linguists from Oxbridge and several thousand English housewives.

The next time anyone wants to conquer the world, they should stop and think about the sort of resistance we managed to mount the last time around.
2013-10-25 05:13:05 PM
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dittybopper: mongbiohazard: These actions have consequences.

The ones you listed do.  The one that Mangela Urkel is all bent out of shape for shouldn't, because it's understood that everyone does it.  Germany has the Bundesnachtrictensdienst who's mission is identical to that of the NSA.  France has the DGSE.  In fact, pretty much every nation of any consequence has a signals intelligence organization, and they work to listen in on the communications of other nations.


Absolutely. There's a lot of satellite dishes on embassy roofs in DC and they don't all point up... And we've given the boot to numerous Israeli spies over the years, and they're a big ally of ours.

But these revelations both go beyond the normal scope of such surveillance and also exist alongside those other actions that I listed (and many others that I didn't). It's one thing to know that we are going to spy on even allies some... it's another for our allies' most paranoid fears of us spying on EVERYTHING they do be suddenly confirmed. In the context of our arrogant overreach in the cyber-world, our threatening to trigger global recession with the debt cieling fiasco and us constantly asserting jurisdition over pretty much the entire world - when it comes to drugs, terrorism or copyrights - it certainly seems even more threatening then it otherwise would.

Our arrogance is encouraging the rest of the world to seriously consider leaving us out of their future reindeer games, and I don't blame them one bit. We prove every day that we are utterly untrustworthy and drunk on hubris.
2013-10-25 04:18:52 PM
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No Such Agency: dittybopper:
Actually, it was Marian Rejewski who first broke Enigma...

I was just snarking, I hopefully know better than to assume a guy named "dittybopper" doesn't know signals history.  But a lot of people think "U-571" is a documentary and that the US did everything in WW2, it's a pretty standard assumption :(


Yes, unfortunately.

A much better movie on the subject is Enigma, if you can look past the idea of the Alan Turing character being straight.
2013-10-25 04:16:05 PM
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No Such Agency: dittybopper:
That's OK, the US Alan Turing, British military intelligence and Polish cryptographers has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.

FTFY


Bonus points for crediting the Poles.

Do come visit Bletchley Park some day
2013-10-25 03:21:21 PM
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mongbiohazard: These actions have consequences.


The ones you listed do.  The one that Mangela Urkel is all bent out of shape for shouldn't, because it's understood that everyone does it.  Germany has the Bundesnachtrictensdienst who's mission is identical to that of the NSA.  France has the DGSE.  In fact, pretty much every nation of any consequence has a signals intelligence organization, and they work to listen in on the communications of other nations.
2013-10-25 03:14:24 PM
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No Such Agency: dittybopper:
That's OK, the US Alan Turing, British military intelligence and Polish cryptographers has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.

FTFY


Actually, it was Marian Rejewski who first broke Enigma.   In 1933.  When Turing was still an undergrad at Cambridge.  Without help from the Poles, even Turing was lost:  The Brits foundered until the Poles and French told them how to do it.

Also, did you know that in mid-1943 the US took over decrypting German U-boat traffic from the British because the British were incapable of building a reliable high-speed 4 rotor bombe, and the US were the ones who continued to break it until the end of the war?  In fact, they were so good at it, that they only needed to use a bit more than 50% of the bombe time on naval problems, and used the balance of the time on other ones (because a 4 rotor bombe could be used against 3 rotor Enigma traffic).
2013-10-25 03:13:06 PM
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Publicity stunt or not, America's out of control overreach is harmful to us in the long run.

When we do things like seize a Dutch man's money who was legally buying Cuban cigars from Germany because some of the electrons got routed (unbeknowst to him) through an American bank the rest of the world rightly questions whether we have too much power. Add to that other shiat we do like the US arresting Kim Dotcom on dubious charges (a foreign national in a foreign country on behalf of US industry), the US government asserting the power to seize and shut down almost any websites in the world, the US government being able to force US companies to compromise the security and privacy of their customers secretly with no recourse and no realistic chance of appeal based on whatever bullshiat our intelligence agencies decide they want to do...

These actions have consequences. The consequences of this "fark you, we can do whatever we want to anyone in the world" attitude is that we're marginalizing ourselves. Every time we insist that we have authority wherever the fark we like, and if you don't like it tough shiat, we encourage the rest of the world to build a future where we have less central of a role. Our arrogance weakens our influence, and it will cost us wealth. The government shutdown/debt default bullshiat reminded everyone of our central role in world finance and has planted the seeds of doubt about us in finance as well... I have little doubt that there's renewed interest in the global community of working out an alternative to the US dollar being the world's reserve currency. Lessening the reach of arrogant US law enforcement is surely a concern for world IT companies going forward, and is already costing us money and making the rest of the world rethink doing business with us in the tech sector.
2013-10-25 03:10:44 PM
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Jackpot777: FarkedOver: Super Chronic: Sounds like a reasonable request. Let them have it, and then we'll have peace in our time.

I can see what the germans are in a führer over this, though  Anne Frankly I did Nazi this coming.

We didn't have to make these corrections when I was in the Grammarwehrmacht.


Yes, but the teacher said your Hitler.
2013-10-25 02:31:38 PM
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TwistedFark: This is just a publicity stunt by a telecom company.

The fact that anyone even bothered to report on this without using words like, "Hysterically stupid" and "Utterly ridiculous" is the real story.


Ding.  It's not like they are going to cut themselves off from the global network of networks (i.e. the Internet), they are just urging German citizens use German based Internet services (and probably lobbying the government to make laws about it).  Basically IT protectionism.  There would still be "connected" globally to the ICANN DNS Root zone, global routing, etc.
2013-10-25 01:56:02 PM
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Almost thirteen years have passed since the unhappy day when the American people, blinded by promises from foes at home and abroad, lost touch with honor and freedom, thereby losing all. Since that day of treachery, the Almighty has withheld his blessing from our people. Dissension and hatred descended upon us. With profound distress millions of the best American men and women from all walks of life have seen the unity of the nation vanishing away, dissolving in a confusion of political and personal opinions, economic interests, and ideological differences. Since that day, as so often in the past, America has presented a picture of heartbreaking disunity. We never received the equality and fraternity we had been promised, and we lost our liberty to boot. For when our nation loses its political place in the world, it soon will lose its unity of spirit and will....
2013-10-25 01:49:27 PM
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This is getting silly.  Every major national power has an internal and external force that monitors both allies and enemies.  To get outraged over that is beyond hyperbole, it's deliberately getting outraged because you want to be outraged.

What's next?  Is Canada going to blow a gasket in public over the fact that the US undoubtedly has a contingency plan set up somewhere to invade Canada if necessity calls for it?

WTF is wrong with people that they have to go looking for things to suddenly declare worthy of outrage when no such outrage has existed 'ever' before?
2013-10-25 01:40:25 PM
1 votes:
Properly uses letter ß, still spells Scheiße wrong.
2013-10-25 01:00:33 PM
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dittybopper:
That's OK, the US Alan Turing, British military intelligence and Polish cryptographers has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.

FTFY
2013-10-25 12:57:00 PM
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dittybopper: That's OK, the US has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.


I bet they told Mexico their intentions first via some sort of note or telegram.  Those tricky huns.
2013-10-25 12:11:46 PM
1 votes:
That's OK, the US has a long history of monitoring German communications.  We'll get by.
 
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