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(CNN)   The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has decided that there's no reason whatsoever to investigate the complete immolation of a Tesla Model S after it hit some road debris   (money.cnn.com) divider line 164
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2013-10-25 11:09:48 AM
Yeah, the Tesla motor company has had some glitches. Bricked cars, self-immolating cars, insane high prices. I'll admit, hearing about the five or so cars that have been catastrophes has been quite alarming.

I still want one, though.
 
2013-10-25 11:22:49 AM
If every Tesla Roadster that ever left the factory caught fire, I'd still want one.
 
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2013-10-25 11:39:20 AM
I want everybody to buy a Tesla roadster so they all get incinerated and I have the road to my gas-guzzling self.
 
2013-10-25 11:42:19 AM
THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-10-25 11:43:46 AM
something tells me if that same hunk of metal had gone into a traditional gas filled tank it would have been a lot worse than a battery fire that never threatened into the passenger compartment
 
2013-10-25 11:43:56 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-25 11:44:17 AM
Well it IS a pretty hot car..
 
2013-10-25 11:44:50 AM
Drove past one the other day on the highway.  First time I've seen one on the road.

Nice looking car, I'll give it that.
 
2013-10-25 11:44:52 AM
Road debris? The driver running over an I-Beam that shot through the floor at I hear over 10 tons of force isn't "Road Debris".
 
2013-10-25 11:45:18 AM
I'll never understand the hate, I guess
 
2013-10-25 11:45:19 AM
There should be an investigation, but to the Republicans it doesn't matter, even if the results came out positively for the Tesla company. If it isn't an oil distillate powered vehicle, than it doesn't belong on the road in their opinion, because that would hurt the profits of oil companies that they support over the attempts to investigate alternative, less damaging ways to generate energy.
 
2013-10-25 11:48:01 AM

libranoelrose: I'll never understand the hate, I guess


People fear change, even if it's a positive change.  At the end of the day, humans are still just dumb animals deep down inside.
 
2013-10-25 11:48:06 AM

libranoelrose: I'll never understand the hate, I guess


New things are scary.
 
2013-10-25 11:48:13 AM
Yes. A gas-powered, internal combustion engine has never been know to explode.
 
2013-10-25 11:48:31 AM

MindStalker: Road debris? The driver running over an I-Beam that shot through the floor at I hear over 10 tons of force isn't "Road Debris".


We're using the Twister definition of "debris".
 
2013-10-25 11:48:33 AM
And yet I still can't import my 2012 Honda Odyssey into the US.
 
2013-10-25 11:48:49 AM
"known"
 
2013-10-25 11:50:30 AM

MindStalker: Road debris? The driver running over an I-Beam that shot through the floor at I hear over 10 tons of force isn't "Road Debris".


Which is why there's no need for an investigation. I've said it before: any vehicle that contains enough potential energy to move itself around for an extended period of time is going to have some risks. Whether it's gasoline, laptop batteries, nuclear power, or whatever, that's going to be some volatility.
 
2013-10-25 11:50:48 AM

DrZiffle: Yes. A gas-powered, internal combustion engine has never been know to explode.


...You are referring to the fact that it's a series of controlled explosions, or that every now and then those controlled explosions get a bit out of control?
 
2013-10-25 11:51:17 AM
 
2013-10-25 11:51:37 AM
The "complete immolation" where the fire was contained in the front bulkhead and spared the complete passenger compartment because of the design of said car?

I think I'll order two.
 
2013-10-25 11:51:55 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: There should be an investigation, but to the Republicans it doesn't matter, even if the results came out positively for the Tesla company. If it isn't an oil distillate powered vehicle, than it doesn't belong on the road in their opinion, because that would hurt the profits of oil companies that they support over the attempts to investigate alternative, less damaging ways to generate energy.


Does the DNC pay you well? Or is it Soros?
 
2013-10-25 11:53:18 AM
"Complete immolation," trollmitter? Uh, not so much. TFA said the fire was confined to the battery area and did not endanger the passenger compartment.

/time to buy tesla stocks
//this too shall pass
 
2013-10-25 11:53:30 AM
Stupid, stubborn corporate suits.
Their stock has been punished by the market due to the PR hit caused by this incident.
For their own sake, they should just come clean, quit stonewalling and launch a very public investigation to DEMONSTRATE they care about their customers.

Are they not aware of the lesson of the exploding Ford Pinto?
 
2013-10-25 11:54:57 AM
A car priced for the wealthy that promises a trickle down sometime in the future for the less-well-to-do. Yet it's green, so ....
 
2013-10-25 11:55:18 AM
as usual, subby appears to be an illiterate moron troll. but i suppose that's what gets greenlit headlines these days here on Fark anyway
 
2013-10-25 11:56:07 AM
These things are dangerous unlike gasoline powered cars which never catch on fire after a crash.
 
2013-10-25 11:56:23 AM

DrZiffle: Yes. A gas-powered, internal combustion engine has never been know to explode.


No one has ever seen a fire result from an accident involving Real American petroleum cars.  Maybe if two libulardos hit each other and their on-board organic hemp composters ignited.  I'm kidding of course-- libulardos aren't Job Creators and can't afford cars.

jayhawk88: New things are scary.


That's part of it, but also read today's bike thread to see the other half of that.  Bicycles aren't new things, but talk about how you bike to work and the haters come out.

At least part of it is that if you do something unusual (buy an EV, bike everywhere) the first reaction from a thoughtful onlooker is "Oh.  Less air pollution.  Power made domestically.  You're making the country a better place.", but that means the second reaction from a nearby cretin will be "Look at that guy, eating crackers not burning gasoline like he owns the place."
 
2013-10-25 11:58:57 AM
And if this was any other car it wouldn't even make it to the press.
 
2013-10-25 12:00:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: If every Tesla Roadster that ever left the factory caught fire, I'd still want one.


There's one I keep seeing on my commute home, it's really amazing to see. It could leave the factory slightly on fire and I'd still want one.
 
2013-10-25 12:01:55 PM
Probably not worth the bother...

I mean, what are the odds the same thing would happen to 1 of the other 3?

/If you don't live in California, you have about the same chance of seeing a Tesla Roadster in person as someone visiting the Iowa State Fair has of getting bitten by a shark.
 
2013-10-25 12:02:08 PM

dfenstrate: DarkSoulNoHope: There should be an investigation, but to the Republicans it doesn't matter, even if the results came out positively for the Tesla company. If it isn't an oil distillate powered vehicle, than it doesn't belong on the road in their opinion, because that would hurt the profits of oil companies that they support over the attempts to investigate alternative, less damaging ways to generate energy.

Does the DNC pay you well? Or is it Soros?


No, just my personal views, but I am curious what your justification is for taking the opposite position? Do you get paid by the American Enterprise Institute, or the RNC, or maybe instead of looking to strawmen positions, how about my original question: "What is your justification for taking the opposite position?"
 
2013-10-25 12:02:42 PM
Given the agenda I am guessing a little Chicago Politics at work here. Of course if it goes south the NTSB can blame a lack of funding for investigations.
 
2013-10-25 12:02:51 PM

ggecko: And if this was any other car it wouldn't even make it to the press.


Not until there were at least a couple hundred cases, then they may think about doing a recall. Maybe
 
2013-10-25 12:03:46 PM

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Probably not worth the bother...

I mean, what are the odds the same thing would happen to 1 of the other 3?

/If you don't live in California, you have about the same chance of seeing a Tesla Roadster in person as someone visiting the Iowa State Fair has of getting bitten by a shark.


I know of at least two around here.

/Kansas City
 
2013-10-25 12:04:24 PM
We don't need no investigate let the motherfu*ker burn

Burn motherfu*ker burn
 
2013-10-25 12:06:08 PM

kidgenius: The "complete immolation" where the fire was contained in the front bulkhead and spared the complete passenger compartment because of the design of said car?

I think I'll order two.


This.

This incident is an advertisement for Teslas
 
2013-10-25 12:06:15 PM

barc0001: libranoelrose: I'll never understand the hate, I guess

People fear change, even if it's a positive change.  At the end of the day, humans are still just dumb animals deep down inside.


Electricity flows from negative to positive.  Going from internal combustion (an oxidation reaction, thus creating a more "positive" output - remember, OIL RIG!) to electric (where output is an electron) means that, quite literally, electric cars are a negative change.

just saying.
 
2013-10-25 12:06:26 PM
I don't think there's anything about that article that I liked. Other than being informed the stocks are still down 10%. Time to buy!

(I've always been a big supporter of electric/hybrid cars. I finally moved to a town that's got a Tesla dealership! Time to start saving money! Granted it'll take a while, but a girl can dream, can't she? :D)
 
2013-10-25 12:07:18 PM
Yes, a car filled with batteries can probably burn spectacularly.  A car filled with gasoline can also burn spectacularly.  Anything that's carrying around enough energy to propel itself for several hundred miles is also going to have enough energy to do other interesting (probably bad) things too.
 
2013-10-25 12:08:26 PM
I have had my Model S about ten months now.  Freaking amazing car.
Wish I had bought the stock ten months ago (at $40 or so).
If I hit "road debris" with enough force to puncture through quarter-inch armour plating steel, I would fully expect that to have a detrimental effect to any vehicle.
 
2013-10-25 12:10:09 PM
Because gas cars NEVER catch on fire. ?

I always don't understand the hate for new technology. People just want to attack things because they are afraid of change.
 
2013-10-25 12:12:37 PM

Cletus C.: A car priced for the wealthy that promises a trickle down sometime in the future for the less-well-to-do. Yet it's green, so ....


Yes because a first generation tech product marketed to early adopters is entirely analogous to national tax and economic policy.
 
2013-10-25 12:13:40 PM
I'm all in favor of the investigation of "alternative, less damaging ways to generate energy."  I simply believe that if there is to be a viable alternative to petroleum-based power of any sort, it will come from a free-market implementation of technology developed by privately funded research.  The government throwing money down the rat-hole of research into solar, wind, and other green power options is not going to do it.  If someone comes up with a viable and sustainable solution, there are entrepreneurs and investors who will beat their door down to get involved.

Mandating that the petroleum companies fund the research, that the automakers invest in it before the market is ready, and that taxpayers subsidize the efforts is counter-productive.  It sucks money out of the economy without any assurance of a return.
 
2013-10-25 12:13:48 PM

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Probably not worth the bother...

I mean, what are the odds the same thing would happen to 1 of the other 3?

/If you don't live in California, you have about the same chance of seeing a Tesla Roadster in person as someone visiting the Iowa State Fair has of getting bitten by a shark.


Absolutely not true!
I live in Rural WI and my town has at least three Teslas. Two model s and one roadster.
 
2013-10-25 12:17:09 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: There should be an investigation, but to the Republicans it doesn't matter, even if the results came out positively for the Tesla company. If it isn't an oil distillate powered vehicle, than it doesn't belong on the road in their opinion, because that would hurt the profits of oil companies that they support over the attempts to investigate alternative, less damaging ways to generate energy.


Your "green" technology only exists on the shoulders of the nuclear defense industry.

Would you like to know where the lithium material in all those batteries came from? Well, you can thank the nuclear weapons industry for creating a massive stockpile of excess lithium.

https://www.osti.gov/opennet/forms.jsp?formurl=document/press/pc23.ht m l


"Q. What are plans for disposition of the lithium hydroxide at Portsmouth and Oak Ridge? Is it waste?

A. The lithium hydroxide at both Portsmouth and Oak Ridge will be disposed of by a negotiated sale to major lithium producers. Lithium hydroxide is not considered a waste by the Department."

All declassified.
 
2013-10-25 12:17:32 PM
FIX OLD NO NEW
 
2013-10-25 12:17:37 PM
Low emission vehicle trifecta in progress?
 
2013-10-25 12:18:06 PM

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Probably not worth the bother...

I mean, what are the odds the same thing would happen to 1 of the other 3?

/If you don't live in California, you have about the same chance of seeing a Tesla Roadster in person as someone visiting the Iowa State Fair has of getting bitten by a shark.


I don't know where you live but in Seattle, every day. Look, we've been here before. No one remember the rollout of the prius? We heard much of the same shiat and now it's the #1 selling car in California, where I have heard they have a lot of people.
 
2013-10-25 12:18:24 PM

DrZiffle: Yes. A gas-powered, internal combustion engine has never been know to explode.


Hint: Gasoline powered vehicles get safety investigations too. "But...but...gas" is not an argument to ignore safety on electric cars.

I agree this particular event does not merit general concern over the safety of the tesla, but the extremely oft repeated finger pointing misdirection, often used even by Musk himself, is entirely and completely beside the point.
 
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