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(Salon)   Texas man exercises "school choice," is surprised when son comes home thinking Darwin caused the Holocaust   ( salon.com) divider line
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2013-10-25 09:00:27 AM  
When Joshua Bass, an engineer, sent his son to iSchool High...

OK, who's getting slapped upside the head for that one? I need a name.
 
2013-10-25 09:00:31 AM  
If you fight science with your religion you're going to lose. Accept and adapt instead.

You're still going to lose but it'll take longer
 
2013-10-25 09:02:04 AM  
Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.
 
2013-10-25 09:02:34 AM  
this should be a fun thread
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:02:40 AM  

jayhawk88: When Joshua Bass, an engineer, sent his son to iSchool High...

OK, who's getting slapped upside the head for that one? I need a name.


Head Administrator:

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2013-10-25 09:02:58 AM  
Heck of a job, Daddy-o
 
2013-10-25 09:03:33 AM  
Your first mistake was letting your son go to school in Texas.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:03:37 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.


but but but but... it says "Darwin" right in the name!

Those damn liberal National Socialists.  You know they're socialist because it's right there in the name!
 
2013-10-25 09:05:38 AM  
It's funny when people support republican efforts to create more charter schools, and then act surprised when the charter schools are utterly terrible or do things like try to teach the bible as science.

But come on - look at the right!  It's at war with reality - from evolution to climate change to all sorts of basic facts.
 
2013-10-25 09:06:33 AM  
Inspired, not caused.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:01 AM  
...but he did.   The author of this article is forgetting about Hitler's eugenics program, the concept of the Aryan race, overman/underman, and the general idea of racial purity he preached?   It may have been a bastardization of biology and philosophy, but you can't ignore the concepts he pulled from.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:05 AM  
TFA: Joshua began to research ResponsiveEd, the curriculum used at iSchool High.

One would think that an engineer would do his research prior to choosing a school for his child to attend.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:15 AM  

d23: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

but but but but... it says "Darwin" right in the name!

Those damn liberal National Socialists.  You know they're socialist because it's right there in the name!



This is literally how shallow their thought process is.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:24 AM  
"You should also remember that just because most people believe a particular thing does not necessarily make it true," said the creationist...

...without irony.
These are features of Texas' charter school program, not bugs.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:38 AM  
Cause as we all know, eugenics programs of the late 19th/early 20th century were the first examples of a group of people considering people not of their own cultural group inferior and to distrust ethnic minorities as plotting to undermine the wellbeing of the majority population. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go kidnap some Christian children to makes some matzos.
 
2013-10-25 09:09:59 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.


So are republicans.
 
2013-10-25 09:10:07 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: "You should also remember that just because most people believe a particular thing does not necessarily make it true," said the creationist...

...without irony.
These are features of Texas' charter school program, not bugs.


Came here to say this...
 
2013-10-25 09:10:24 AM  

Jones_Boy: ...but he did.   The author of this article is forgetting about Hitler's eugenics program, the concept of the Aryan race, overman/underman, and the general idea of racial purity he preached?   It may have been a bastardization of biology and philosophy, but you can't ignore the concepts he pulled from.



Hmm... taking a legitimate scientific theory and then trying to bastardize it to fit your political agenda.  Kind of sounds like Intelligent design.....
 
2013-10-25 09:10:33 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.


So the best kind of correct?
 
2013-10-25 09:10:51 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: Joshua began to research ResponsiveEd, the curriculum used at iSchool High.

One would think that an engineer would do his research prior to choosing a school for his child to attend.


Could have been a bait and switch.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:11:18 AM  

Chummer45: d23: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

but but but but... it says "Darwin" right in the name!

Those damn liberal National Socialists.  You know they're socialist because it's right there in the name!


This is literally how shallow their thought process is.


Yeah... the NAZIs are liberals because Nazi means "National Socialist" argument comes directly from Bryan Fisher.
 
2013-10-25 09:11:34 AM  

Jones_Boy: It may have been a bastardization of biology and philosophy, but you can't ignore the concepts he pulled from.


uh yeah you pretty much can ignore them because they were a bastardization of biology and philosophy

i mean that is kind of how it works
 
2013-10-25 09:11:54 AM  
Sorry Fark Snarkers(And Subby), there is nothing wrong with Charter Schools, they are not necessarily religious in nature, and this one has no indicators on its site that it would be anti science and have a religion bias. I now, I know, it's hip right now to make fun of people who don't want to send their kids to public school for some reason, but I personally like the variety of high schools available nowadays, they actually have tech-focused high schools, film school based high schools, automotive high schools, etc... They didn't have this when I was in high school, and it would have had me prepped for an actual career that I wanted to pursue years earlier, then I could attend college and actually refine my skills rather than have to add an extra 4 years before I could enter said field.

So yeah, I know it makes you all feel superior and shiat, but it's a kind of petty thing to be "superior" about, especially when this guy did not send his kid to a religion based school intentionally.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:12:36 AM  

MFAWG: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

So the best kind of correct?


no, not even technically correct.  Social Darwinism is considered a misreading of evolutionary theory.
 
2013-10-25 09:13:02 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.


I disagree.

To some degree the whole "Nazis will breed a superior race of humans" must have been influenced by Darwin.

That, however, means nothing. All knowledge can be used for evil as well as good. Nazis ALSO used science for things like missiles, bombs, and tanks.

Morans are everywhere, but they seem to flock to Texas like moths to a flame.
 
2013-10-25 09:13:37 AM  

Smoking GNU: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

So are republicans.



That's a fair point.  Honestly, the prophet Ayn Rand that they purportedly love so much is just the latest philosophical excuse to maintain social darwinist beliefs.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:14:11 AM  

Mikey1969: Sorry Fark Snarkers(And Subby), there is nothing wrong with Charter Schools, they are not necessarily religious in nature, and this one has no indicators on its site that it would be anti science and have a religion bias. I now, I know, it's hip right now to make fun of people who don't want to send their kids to public school for some reason, but I personally like the variety of high schools available nowadays, they actually have tech-focused high schools, film school based high schools, automotive high schools, etc... They didn't have this when I was in high school, and it would have had me prepped for an actual career that I wanted to pursue years earlier, then I could attend college and actually refine my skills rather than have to add an extra 4 years before I could enter said field.

So yeah, I know it makes you all feel superior and shiat, but it's a kind of petty thing to be "superior" about, especially when this guy did not send his kid to a religion based school intentionally.



reading is hard.
 
2013-10-25 09:14:42 AM  

d23: MFAWG: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

So the best kind of correct?

no, not even technically correct.  Social Darwinism is considered a misreading of evolutionary theory.


but a misreading inspired by.....
 
2013-10-25 09:15:05 AM  
The real gem in the article comes at the end:

"The criticism did not only come from secular sources. Educators at the fundamentalist Bob Jones University also criticized ACE's academics, says historian.."

As someone who was forced into attending BJU for a year, let me just say that when the university that didn't allow interracial dating till 2001 calls you out on your academic standards, you have a REAL problem.
 
2013-10-25 09:16:30 AM  

Mikey1969: there is nothing wrong with Charter Schools, they are not necessarily religious in nature


they receive public funding

that they can teach religious tripe with public tax dollars is fundamentally wrong

but i mean cool story about how you spent 8 years in high school it was really lifting
 
2013-10-25 09:17:32 AM  

d23: Chummer45: d23: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

but but but but... it says "Darwin" right in the name!

Those damn liberal National Socialists.  You know they're socialist because it's right there in the name!


This is literally how shallow their thought process is.

Yeah... the NAZIs are liberals because Nazi means "National Socialist" argument comes directly from Bryan Fisher.


It takes a staggering amount of stupidity to make that argument.  Then again, I guess if you grew up with the bible as your only "history" book, then you might be dumb enough to believe it.  That's why these charter schools are so incredibly dangerous -- their goal seems to be the promotion of willful stupidity to create a generation of even less informed voters.
 
2013-10-25 09:17:47 AM  

aedude01: The real gem in the article comes at the end:

"The criticism did not only come from secular sources. Educators at the fundamentalist Bob Jones University also criticized ACE's academics, says historian.."

As someone who was forced into attending BJU for a year, let me just say that when the university that didn't allow interracial dating till 2001 calls you out on your academic standards, you have a REAL problem.


HAH!
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:17:59 AM  

aedude01: The real gem in the article comes at the end:

"The criticism did not only come from secular sources. Educators at the fundamentalist Bob Jones University also criticized ACE's academics, says historian.."

As someone who was forced into attending BJU for a year, let me just say that when the university that didn't allow interracial dating till 2001 calls you out on your academic standards, you have a REAL problem.


I worked with a BJU grad for a couple of years and while he was a good guy (that didn't have the hatred you'd expect from someone with that background) his knowledge of the world and science was just barely above high school.  You can get over that with an open mind, but unfortunately I think for most people that curriculum would tend to close your mind down.
 
2013-10-25 09:18:17 AM  
they are just prepping the kids for the low wage and unskilled jobs they offer in texas
 
2013-10-25 09:18:19 AM  

Jones_Boy: The author of this article is forgetting about Hitler's eugenics program, the concept of the Aryan race, overman/underman, and the general idea of racial purity he preached?


That has more to do with Nietzsche than Darwin. Nietzsche could possibly have taken  On the Origin of the Species as input, but there's no real reason to think that's true, and it's certainly not something that's seen in his works. Further, the idea of race as heritability and a focus on racial purity predates Darwin by a good bit. The point I'm digging at here is that while Darwin's work provided a vocabulary of technobabble for pseudoscientists, it's roughly akin to saying Star Wars is responsible for drone strikes.
 
2013-10-25 09:18:34 AM  

d23: jayhawk88: When Joshua Bass, an engineer, sent his son to iSchool High...

OK, who's getting slapped upside the head for that one? I need a name.

Head Administrator:

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Do you think she knows what that hand gesture means in Britain?
 
2013-10-25 09:18:51 AM  
Mikey1969:

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2013-10-25 09:20:08 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Your first mistake was letting your son go to school in Texas.


Hey now, I went to Texas public schools my entire life, even the University of Texas.

I turned out just fine.
 
2013-10-25 09:20:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: Joshua began to research ResponsiveEd, the curriculum used at iSchool High.

One would think that an engineer would do his research prior to choosing a school for his child to attend.

Could have been a bait and switch.


this
for-profit charter school companies are selling a product - the draw for parents is the not-stated "this is better than public school because those kids are stupid and poor and it is too crowded for your snowflake" - the pitch is "better funded and exclusive and cutting-edge curriculum (which few parents understand w/o effort due to industry lingo)

I blame Jeb Bush for their growth in FL - they are to education what sliced american cheese product is to cuisine - AND they drain funds from other schools
 
2013-10-25 09:20:32 AM  

d23: Tyrone Slothrop: Well, the Nazis were believers in "social Darwinism", but that doesn't have anything to do with what Darwin discovered.

but but but but... it says "Darwin" right in the name!

Those damn liberal National Socialists.  You know they're socialist because it's right there in the name!


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2013-10-25 09:20:45 AM  
Did the ad infested Salon become a preferred partner?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-25 09:21:06 AM  

Donnchadha: d23: jayhawk88: When Joshua Bass, an engineer, sent his son to iSchool High...

OK, who's getting slapped upside the head for that one? I need a name.

Head Administrator:

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Do you think she knows what that hand gesture means in Britain?


oops.. didn't notice that.

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2013-10-25 09:21:12 AM  

sprawl15: Jones_Boy: It may have been a bastardization of biology and philosophy, but you can't ignore the concepts he pulled from.

uh yeah you pretty much can ignore them because they were a bastardization of biology and philosophy

i mean that is kind of how it works


It was still an influence.   If you ignore the people who take legitimate ideas and use them to promote a different agenda, then you are letting those theories and ideas promote those people.   We see a lot of this in todays world.   Not to the degree that it happend back then, but there are a lot of people setting the tone and obtaining legitimacy by leveraging and bastardizing legitimate science to promote their own ideas and philosophies.   If you don't nip it in the bud, it becomes the accepted truth.   That is a big lesson to learn from history.
 
2013-10-25 09:22:24 AM  

spcMike: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Your first mistake was letting your son go to school in Texas.

Hey now, I went to Texas public schools my entire life, even the University of Texas.

I turned out just fine.


No you're not, you are a farker.
 
2013-10-25 09:22:32 AM  
One of my professors said that Survival of the Fittest is one of the most misunderstood ideas that everyone assumes they understand.  All it means is babies that grow up to have babies, that grow up to have babies,  that grow up to have babies, and so on. And that's only at the macro level because it's about genes. (That's why the occasional non-reproductive being is still fit if that is a strategy that helps the rest of the family breed more kids who grow up to breed more kids.)


Lots of people associate it with "might makes right," which is not often the best reproductive strategy, Still others think fit means physically fit. But if you have babies, and those babies grow up to have babies, and so on, you don't need to be strong or physically fit. You just need your line to continue. That's all it means.
 
2013-10-25 09:24:04 AM  

Donnchadha: d23: jayhawk88: When Joshua Bass, an engineer, sent his son to iSchool High...

OK, who's getting slapped upside the head for that one? I need a name.

Head Administrator:

[images.tvrage.com image 252x252]

Do you think she knows what that hand gesture means in Britain?


That's why she's as edgy as a Keith Flint in 1996 over there.
 
2013-10-25 09:24:11 AM  
Charter schools. Just another way for Republicans to funnel public monies to their friends.
 
2013-10-25 09:24:29 AM  
Charter schools are for-profit, and this fine institution decided that the maximum profit was in the religious indoctrination of their students. Who is this man to question the will of the almighty market?!?
 
2013-10-25 09:24:45 AM  

SpectroBoy: To some degree the whole "Nazis will breed a superior race of humans" must have been influenced by Darwin.


Only insofar as they used evolutionary theory as a source for technobabble. Again, the idea of breeding and racial purity predates Darwin by a good measure- like all of human history (hell, half of the Old Testament is a guidebook for being xenophobic racists). Evolutionary theory provided a source of buzzwords that could be brought into play to justify what they were going to do  anyway.

Ditto on the Nietzschean aspects of Nazi philosophy- there was nothing overtly racist in Nietzsche's ubermensch, and I think he'd argue that an ubermensch is created by self-realization,  not by breeding.
 
2013-10-25 09:25:47 AM  

Mikey1969: Sorry Fark Snarkers(And Subby), there is nothing wrong with Charter Schools, they are not necessarily religious in nature, and this one has no indicators on its site that it would be anti science and have a religion bias


There is nothing wrong with charter schools... apart from the ones that conceal their religious bias to indoctrinate the children of unsuspecting parents?

That sounds like a pretty farking big problem, right there.
 
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