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2013-10-25 12:00:15 PM
Um, so? The fact that the democrats are diverse and are allowed to is a strength, not a weakness.
 
2013-10-25 12:01:44 PM
The correct term is "clowders"
 
2013-10-25 12:03:17 PM
Oh no, a group of 200 or so executives have differing opinions on an emergent problem. All is lost.
 
2013-10-25 12:05:49 PM

lockers: Um, so? The fact that the democrats are diverse and are allowed to is a strength, not a weakness.


The Republicans think Obama had some magical control over them leading them to all agree not to negotiate over the shutdown/debt ceiling. Honestly I don't think a single one of them (aside from maybe Biden) had to be told, it was just common sense.
 
2013-10-25 12:09:37 PM

MindStalker: lockers: Um, so? The fact that the democrats are diverse and are allowed to is a strength, not a weakness.

The Republicans think Obama had some magical control over them leading them to all agree not to negotiate over the shutdown/debt ceiling. Honestly I don't think a single one of them (aside from maybe Biden) had to be told, it was just common sense.


If anyone had "control" over the House Democrats, it would be Nancy Pelosi anyway.  Strategy requires coordination.  That said, it probably didn't take too much convincing to get the House Dems on the same page, given how childish the Republicans have been since 2009.
 
2013-10-25 12:12:19 PM

MindStalker: lockers: Um, so? The fact that the democrats are diverse and are allowed to is a strength, not a weakness.

The Republicans think Obama had some magical control over them leading them to all agree not to negotiate over the shutdown/debt ceiling. Honestly I don't think a single one of them (aside from maybe Biden) had to be told, it was just common sense.


It kinda speaks volumes on how bad the blackmailers thought process was in that calculus. They herded the cats. How farking stupid are you being to unite the democrats as a block? Seriously, it's a messed up kind of stupid.
 
2013-10-25 12:14:43 PM
Article is CONCERNED.
 
2013-10-25 12:15:19 PM

Arkanaut: MindStalker: lockers: Um, so? The fact that the democrats are diverse and are allowed to is a strength, not a weakness.

The Republicans think Obama had some magical control over them leading them to all agree not to negotiate over the shutdown/debt ceiling. Honestly I don't think a single one of them (aside from maybe Biden) had to be told, it was just common sense.

If anyone had "control" over the House Democrats, it would be Nancy Pelosi anyway.  Strategy requires coordination.  That said, it probably didn't take too much convincing to get the House Dems on the same page, given how childish the Republicans have been since 2009.


It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.
 
2013-10-25 12:20:27 PM

error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.


You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.
 
2013-10-25 12:23:33 PM
Almost every quote in the article is directly at odds with the article's premise. Article is sh*t.
 
2013-10-25 12:24:30 PM

ikanreed: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.


To be fair, almost everyone in America has forgotten the 'Blue Dog' democrats.
 
2013-10-25 12:27:22 PM
And polls show support for Republicans remains way down, while support for Obamacare is still ticking up.


aaaaaaand we're done here.

Look, my outlook went down for a day last week, but I didn't burn my office down.
 
2013-10-25 12:28:21 PM

Deneb81: To be fair, almost everyone in America has forgotten the 'Blue Dog' democrats.


And good riddance.
 
2013-10-25 12:29:05 PM

ikanreed: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.


Nancy Pelosi has lost zero votes. She has never called a vote she didn't win.

So what are you talking about?
 
2013-10-25 12:29:18 PM

ikanreed: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.


Touche.
 
2013-10-25 12:32:09 PM

error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.


IMO it's because the Republican Party is a lot more ideological than it was, let's say, up until the 90's or so.  Not to say that the Democrats don't have ideology, but the Republicans are ideological about immaterial things like "freedom" and "family values", which they all define differently, and are being absolutists about it; whereas the Democrats seem to be more concerned about practical matters like SNAP and education and infrastructure, which are tangible, quantifiable, and thus they can negotiate over.

I remember reading an article (probably one of Bruce Bartlett's columns) about how Congressional Republicans once balked over a proposal by JFK to cut the top marginal rate as a stimulus measure, because it might hurt the balance of the federal budget.  Hard to imagine them doing so now.
 
2013-10-25 12:34:12 PM

Dalrint: Deneb81: To be fair, almost everyone in America has forgotten the 'Blue Dog' democrats.

And good riddance.


Well, the only way to retake the House is if Blue Dogs get into some of those seats. They aren't ideal but in 2009 at least they could be reasoned with.
 
2013-10-25 12:39:49 PM

drongozone: The correct term is "clowders"


or a "glaring"
 
2013-10-25 12:42:44 PM

Arkanaut: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

IMO it's because the Republican Party is a lot more ideological than it was, let's say, up until the 90's or so.  Not to say that the Democrats don't have ideology, but the Republicans are ideological about immaterial things like "freedom" and "family values", which they all define differently, and are being absolutists about it; whereas the Democrats seem to be more concerned about practical matters like SNAP and education and infrastructure, which are tangible, quantifiable, and thus they can negotiate over.

I remember reading an article (probably one of Bruce Bartlett's columns) about how Congressional Republicans once balked over a proposal by JFK to cut the top marginal rate as a stimulus measure, because it might hurt the balance of the federal budget.  Hard to imagine them doing so now.


You know what really pissed me off lately.

They've completely corrupted the words freedom and family values, among other things.  Thanks Newt!!!

And if I were still a Christian, I'd be upset that the word Christian means "anti-homosexual, judgmental, and hypocritical" to a lot of young people (you know, the ones you need to keep your faith alive) these days.
 
2013-10-25 12:45:01 PM

what_now: ikanreed: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.

Nancy Pelosi has lost zero votes. She has never called a vote she didn't win.

So what are you talking about?


That is because she could negotiate acceptability before the vote. Nothing workable was acceptable to Boehners brigade.
 
2013-10-25 12:46:01 PM
error 303:
It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

Partially because there's an unspoken agreement between the Democratic leadership in the House/Senate and their red-state members: you can spend all of your time on the airwaves criticizing the administration to shore up your bona fides with moderates, and even vote against the party at times, but you're going to be expected to cast a few tough votes along the way to support the caucus to keep the party's backing (and funding) when election time rolls around. They've also learned their lesson about running liberal primary candidates against Democrats in somewhat-conservative states or districts, namely that it's better to have someone who'll back you half the time than a hard-right Republican.

Conversely, the Republican base is in a constant hunt for RINOs to primary, because purity over party over country. Boehner doesn't control his members because he cannot provide job security.
 
2013-10-25 12:47:45 PM

meat0918: And if I were still a Christian, I'd be upset that the word Christian means "anti-homosexual, judgmental, and hypocritical" to a lot of young people (you know, the ones you need to keep your faith alive) these days.


In a few more centuries, Yahweh will be just another one of those gods that silly people used to believe in.

Well, maybe a millenia or two, but it'll happen. Religions are transient phenomena.
 
2013-10-25 12:52:03 PM

incendi: meat0918: And if I were still a Christian, I'd be upset that the word Christian means "anti-homosexual, judgmental, and hypocritical" to a lot of young people (you know, the ones you need to keep your faith alive) these days.

In a few more centuries, Yahweh will be just another one of those gods that silly people used to believe in.

Well, maybe a millenia or two, but it'll happen. Religions are transient phenomena.


Yeah, but they never go quietly.
 
2013-10-25 01:16:40 PM
And the talking point that rallying Democrats is like herding cats pops up again even though they have the most lockstep voting patterns.
 
2013-10-25 01:17:42 PM
I keep telling people...you cannot herd cats, but you CAN lead them!

You just have to have something they want and let them know you have it.
They'll follow you, believe me.

This applies to humans as well as felines.

You just have to watch out for those who 'follow you from the front'...they can trip you up.
This also applies to humans.
 
2013-10-25 01:45:05 PM

incendi: meat0918: And if I were still a Christian, I'd be upset that the word Christian means "anti-homosexual, judgmental, and hypocritical" to a lot of young people (you know, the ones you need to keep your faith alive) these days.

In a few more centuries, Yahweh will be just another one of those gods that silly people used to believe in.

Well, maybe a millenia or two, but it'll happen. Religions are transient phenomena.


One can only hope... come quickly lord jesus!

freethoughtblogs.com
 
2013-10-25 01:51:06 PM

what_now: ikanreed: error 303: It amuses me how Pelosi can always deliver her caucus whenever she wants to, while Boehner has zero control over his members. Say what you will about her, she can get things done when she has to.

You seem to have forgotten the entirety of 2009 for some reason.

Nancy Pelosi has lost zero votes. She has never called a vote she didn't win.

So what are you talking about?


This.

The issues in 2009-2010 were largely with Reid in the Senate, not Pelosi in the House.  Pelosi got things done, Reid was the one who couldn't get most anything through the Senate because the Republicans filibustered just about everything and were largely in lock-step.  He only had a 60-vote majority for a small window of time thanks to the hold-up in seating Franken and then Kennedy's death, it's not like he had 2 solid years of filibuster-proof votes.  And even when he did have 60 votes in the caucus, he had to deal with the Blue Dogs and conservative Democrats and disingenuous "moderate" Republicans who then voted against the proposals they themselves made in the interest of "bipartisanship."

Pelosi was a solid Speaker of the House.  Lack of progress rested largely with the Senate, and there largely with an obstructionist Republican caucus.
 
2013-10-25 03:58:24 PM
Because Politico has absolutely no axe to grind against Obama whatsoever. Nosirree.
 
2013-10-25 04:19:07 PM
Now he has a website which shows how little it can.



omg what a bunch of whiny farks
 
2013-10-25 04:41:16 PM

whidbey: Now he has a website which shows how little it can.

omg what a bunch of whiny farks


I'm assured there has never been a release of software that didn't work.
 
2013-10-25 11:44:17 PM
meat0918:

You know what really pissed me off lately.

They've completely corrupted the words freedom and family values, among other things.  Thanks Newt!!!


They were doing that long before Newt.  Reagan was trotting out the same emtpy rhetoric in the 80s.  It may go back even further but I was too young/not around to know.
 
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