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2013-10-24 11:00:42 PM
I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.
 
2013-10-24 11:49:20 PM

RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.


This.
The US will be much better off when we follow suit.
 
2013-10-25 12:00:08 AM
I ride my bike everywhere practical which, even here, turns out to be just about everywhere.
 
2013-10-25 12:10:15 AM
I totally wish more people would commute by bicycle... So I can drive in my car, by myself, in less traffic.
 
2013-10-25 12:27:14 AM
I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office. Unfortunately I have to make a left across 3 lanes of traffic each way where speeds often hit 60mph and there's no sidewalk/crosswalk. (it is legal to bike on the sidewalk here) It is a difficult enough turn to make in my car, let alone by pedal power.
 
2013-10-25 12:45:42 AM

thermo: I totally wish more people would commute by bicycle... So I can drive in my car, by myself, in less traffic.


I'm here for you.

ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office. Unfortunately I have to make a left across 3 lanes of traffic each way where speeds often hit 60mph and there's no sidewalk/crosswalk. (it is legal to bike on the sidewalk here) It is a difficult enough turn to make in my car, let alone by pedal power.


I make one left across a 4 lane road with no crosswalk and only car signals. It isn't as hard as you'd think. I just roll into the median then the turn lane and take the turn on green arrow. Otherwise I wait for the light to turn.
 
2013-10-25 01:24:45 AM

RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.



My commute is 6 or 7 miles each way, and wasting my time on a bike isn't that practical.

/Not to mention that it rains for a large part of the year up here in the Seattle area.
 
2013-10-25 01:52:53 AM
and in almost every European county cars are out selling yachts and airplanes.
 
2013-10-25 02:27:33 AM
Fail is for subby, no doubt.
 
2013-10-25 02:32:41 AM

log_jammin: and in almost every European county cars are out selling yachts and airplanes.


Shoes outsell bikes. Socks outsell shoes.
 
2013-10-25 02:33:58 AM

Triumph: log_jammin: and in almost every European county cars are out selling yachts and airplanes.

Shoes outsell bikes. Socks outsell shoes.


exactly.
 
2013-10-25 03:40:44 AM

RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.


Subby be trollin'.
 
2013-10-25 03:43:09 AM
In Europe, 300 miles is a long way.

In the US, 300 years is a long time.
 
2013-10-25 03:45:51 AM
Good!  More targets
 
2013-10-25 03:49:57 AM
Oh you kid :)

Ride my bike to work most days, walk or take the tram sometimes if it's raining. Don't miss commuting by car at all.

In other news, the Tesla S was the bestselling car here last month. Friend at work is test driving one today. I want him to buy one so I can borrow it  - you know, for IKEA runs and such...
 
2013-10-25 03:51:06 AM

Vectron: RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.

This.
The US will be much better off when we follow suit.


Haha, ok Frenchy.
 
2013-10-25 03:51:08 AM

Vectron: RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.

This.
The US will be much better off when we follow suit.


The only thing is that the infrastructure and just the entire layout of our cities are very different from Europe. In Europe things are much more urbanized and closer together, riding a bike to and from work makes sense in more places than it does in the US. Plus, other things like grocers are already located with this pattern in mind. In the US it can be quite a trip to get your groceries on your bike, and if you have a family, only being able to carry so much on a bike you'd be going back and forth every few days. Plus, in Europe it's easier to take public transportation when you want to go farther than you want to cycle, or carry a heavy bag. Then there's the part where their cities are older, so many streets are narrower and the layout of the streets was made back when people were walking or riding horses or taking buggies and thus shiatty for driving in with a car, which makes it even more likely people will want a bike or a scooter.
 
2013-10-25 03:54:20 AM

TheZorker: In Europe, 300 miles is a long way.

In the US, 300 years is a long time.


You wanna go cycling for 300 miles?
 
2013-10-25 03:54:28 AM
I have a mtn bike and a single-speed road bike that get at least 60 miles put on them per week.
 
2013-10-25 03:55:09 AM

Odin's Other Eye: Oh you kid :)

Ride my bike to work most days, walk or take the tram sometimes if it's raining. Don't miss commuting by car at all.

In other news, the Tesla S was the bestselling car here last month. Friend at work is test driving one today. I want him to buy one so I can borrow it  - you know, for IKEA runs and such...


I live over thirty miles from my work.

If I moved any closer, I could afford two new cars just from the housing cost increase.

And wtf is a tram? The thing they have at disney world?
 
2013-10-25 03:58:35 AM

dr_blasto: I make one left across a 4 lane road with no crosswalk and only car signals. It isn't as hard as you'd think. I just roll into the median then the turn lane and take the turn on green arrow. Otherwise I wait for the light to turn.


Getting to the turn lane is the scary part.  There's no median, so I've got to cross 3 lanes filled with fast cars to get to the turn lane.  On a lazy Saturday afternoon it might not be that bad, but during rush hour, I don't want to think about it.  Especially if a train has come by recently and packed the cars in.

I know it can be done, but I don't have the balls for it.
 
2013-10-25 04:20:10 AM

thermo: I totally wish more people would commute by bicycle... So I can drive in my car, by myself, in less traffic.


I wish more motorists would see it your way. Instead of condemning cyclist they should be thanking them. More bike means less congestion, and more open parking. I'm glad somebody gets it.
 
2013-10-25 04:25:56 AM

The_Sponge: RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.


My commute is 6 or 7 miles each way, and wasting my time on a bike isn't that practical.

/Not to mention that it rains for a large part of the year up here in the Seattle area.


Depends on what one considers a waste of time I suppose. Do you enjoy any sort of recreation? I happen to love cycling, so I get to recreate on the way to work and on the way home. And rain is no excuse. There are ways to stay dry, and even the most expensive rain gear is cheaper than most people's monthly gasoline bill.
 
2013-10-25 04:25:57 AM
Buy spandex futures immediately!
 
2013-10-25 04:26:35 AM
i've been waiting for scooters to have a popularity explosion in the USA since gas topped $1.00 a gallon. i'm sure they are well loved in some areas but where i live it's mostly large gas sucking 4WD vehicles that will never see a mile off pavement. hell, there have been a few decent USA scooter manufacturers that went out of business while the price per gallon just keeps rising.
 
2013-10-25 04:27:23 AM
i just wish i could drive two cars at the same time.....and some day......some day...

i just might.
 
2013-10-25 04:28:48 AM

The_Sponge: RodneyToady: I don't see how this is a Fail.  Compared to cars, bikes are much cheaper, require no fuel, no insurance (to the best of my knowledge, this is true in Europe as well as the US), and for short trips (5-10 miles each way) are quite practical forms of transportation.


My commute is 6 or 7 miles each way, and wasting my time on a bike isn't that practical.

/Not to mention that it rains for a large part of the year up here in the Seattle area.


A whole 7 miles?  Aw, muffin, it'll be ok.
 
2013-10-25 04:29:56 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: TheZorker: In Europe, 300 miles is a long way.

In the US, 300 years is a long time.

You wanna go cycling for 300 miles?


How 'bout 3000?
 
2013-10-25 04:31:06 AM

sendtodave: Odin's Other Eye: Oh you kid :)

Ride my bike to work most days, walk or take the tram sometimes if it's raining. Don't miss commuting by car at all.

In other news, the Tesla S was the bestselling car here last month. Friend at work is test driving one today. I want him to buy one so I can borrow it  - you know, for IKEA runs and such...

I live over thirty miles from my work.

If I moved any closer, I could afford two new cars just from the housing cost increase.

And wtf is a tram? The thing they have at disney world?


Tram:

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(more comfortable than the bus) but usually I take

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2013-10-25 04:31:27 AM
Americans would just pop the tires of a bicycle.
 
2013-10-25 04:31:33 AM

log_jammin: Triumph: log_jammin: and in almost every European county cars are out selling yachts and airplanes.

Shoes outsell bikes. Socks outsell shoes.

exactly.


I'm gonna go out on a limb here; you didn't read the fookin' article did you.
 
2013-10-25 04:34:28 AM

ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.


Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.
 
2013-10-25 04:34:54 AM

Mr. Ekshun: Buy spandex futures immediately!


Right because there is no bicycle riding without spandex.
 
2013-10-25 04:39:52 AM
I ought to bike to work more often - it's just 16 km / 10 miles each way - but the scooter is just too convenient. Car is for days it's pissing down or too icy to ride the scooter safely. Wish I could take a bus instead of the car, but nearest bus stop is 3+ km / 2 miles from work :/
 
2013-10-25 04:40:00 AM

ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.


We all make lame excuses to avoid doing stuff that simply doesn't appeal to us don't we.
 
2013-10-25 04:43:03 AM

Odin's Other Eye: sendtodave: Odin's Other Eye: Oh you kid :)

Ride my bike to work most days, walk or take the tram sometimes if it's raining. Don't miss commuting by car at all.

In other news, the Tesla S was the bestselling car here last month. Friend at work is test driving one today. I want him to buy one so I can borrow it  - you know, for IKEA runs and such...

I live over thirty miles from my work.

If I moved any closer, I could afford two new cars just from the housing cost increase.

And wtf is a tram? The thing they have at disney world?

Tram:



(more comfortable than the bus) but usually I take


I dig the mixte frame. Is it a single speed?
 
2013-10-25 04:47:23 AM

TwowheelinTim: Odin's Other Eye: sendtodave: Odin's Other Eye: Oh you kid :)

Ride my bike to work most days, walk or take the tram sometimes if it's raining. Don't miss commuting by car at all.

In other news, the Tesla S was the bestselling car here last month. Friend at work is test driving one today. I want him to buy one so I can borrow it  - you know, for IKEA runs and such...

I live over thirty miles from my work.

If I moved any closer, I could afford two new cars just from the housing cost increase.

And wtf is a tram? The thing they have at disney world?

Tram:

(more comfortable than the bus) but usually I take

I dig the mixte frame. Is it a single speed?


That's actually the wrong pic. Let me try again:

s3.amazonaws.com

Linus mixte. 3-speed - Oslo is too hilly for me with a single speed. And to be honest, I don't get the whole fixie thing AT ALL. But 3 speeds and I'm happy. I used to commute (occasionally - it was 25 miles each way and that wore me out) on a 21-speed road bike and I don't miss it at all. 5 miles on a 3 speed is much easier :)
 
2013-10-25 04:48:07 AM
I am one of the lucky Americans.

I live six miles from work and the ride is all along quiet streets. No hills.

We sold one of our cars about four years ago and I've been riding ever since. I save about $500 per month in gas and gym fees, not to mention general wear and tear on the car.

I leave about an hour from now and where I am it is about 35F. Gets tough some mornings, like when it is 28F and sleeting.

I really feel bad for the Farkers who sit in traffic. That is a horrible aspect of American life.
 
2013-10-25 04:51:29 AM
I'm more surprised bikes apparently used to not outsell cars in many places. Doesn't pretty much everyone have a bike, including kids? When I grew up, everyone had one, although mom and dad didn't use theirs daily. But we rode bikes to school every morning. Cars are usually one or maybe two per family.
 
2013-10-25 04:53:23 AM

TwowheelinTim: log_jammin: Triumph: log_jammin: and in almost every European county cars are out selling yachts and airplanes.

Shoes outsell bikes. Socks outsell shoes.

exactly.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here; you didn't read the fookin' article did you.


looks like you just fell off that limb
 
2013-10-25 04:54:11 AM

Zmog: I'm more surprised bikes apparently used to not outsell cars in many places. Doesn't pretty much everyone have a bike, including kids? When I grew up, everyone had one, although mom and dad didn't use theirs daily. But we rode bikes to school every morning. Cars are usually one or maybe two per family.


Yeah, when I think about it - growing up, we had 2 cars (usually) but 4 or 5 bikes in the house. Granted we bought most of our bikes used... Dad was a policeman and he scoped out the police auctions ahead of time for us :)
 
2013-10-25 04:57:17 AM

TwowheelinTim: Mr. Ekshun: Buy spandex futures immediately!

Right because there is no bicycle riding without spandex.


See, what you don't realize here is that I happen to be a guy with a reasonable collection of vintage bikes who rolls his eyes at people who dress up like Power Rangers. But since you sound like one of those militant hipsters I occasionally happen upon it's unlikely that you'll part the beard of unhappiness and gaze through the black-framed glasses of fun.

/You would have made that joke, but it was too mainstream.
//Fun fact: 1st-gen Suntour Superbe RDs are lighter than modern Campy SR.
 
2013-10-25 04:59:30 AM

Zmog: I'm more surprised bikes apparently used to not outsell cars in many places. Doesn't pretty much everyone have a bike, including kids? When I grew up, everyone had one, although mom and dad didn't use theirs daily. But we rode bikes to school every morning. Cars are usually one or maybe two per family.


I'm not surprised by it.

a new bike was a huge deal growing up. Most kids got a hand me down or a used bike. and unlike a car, chances are they're not going to have any major repairs beyond a broken and easily replaced chain or a popped tire. they basically lasted forever.

but today people ride bikes as some sort of snooty hobby and have to have the latest and greatest of everything on it and for it.
 
2013-10-25 05:02:47 AM

ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.


Showers? Why would you need a shower? Just go at a more relaxt speed and you'll still do 13 miles an hour. No sweating involved.

A bike used for transportation is a very different experience from a bike used for a work out.
 
2013-10-25 05:05:15 AM

TwowheelinTim: ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.

We all make lame excuses to avoid doing stuff that simply doesn't appeal to us don't we.


bwahahaha! dude, she's not kidding. NY State gets nasty winters. I'd love to see you trek along a ice and snow path or road without getting injured. Their winters are so vicious you can take a high mileage completely beat to hell Subaru or Jeep up there and it will fetch thousands of dollars. Talk is easy living in the land of sunshine and volleyball.
 
2013-10-25 05:06:23 AM
Not surprising.

Anyone with a cool car invariably drives like an idiot, and turns everyone around him off to the idea of ever buying one.
 
2013-10-25 05:08:59 AM

TwowheelinTim: ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.

We all make lame excuses to avoid doing stuff that simply doesn't appeal to us don't we.


yeah. California winters are the stuff of legend...
 
2013-10-25 05:12:15 AM
One disadvantage to biking in European cities is the cobblestone. If I were to ride to work, I would be dodging tourists across an uneven clusterfark of cobblestone. I'll just take the Metro or tram, thanks.
/Do I need to provide a pic of what a Metro looks like?
 
2013-10-25 05:15:29 AM

DerAppie: ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.

Showers? Why would you need a shower? Just go at a more relaxt speed and you'll still do 13 miles an hour. No sweating involved.

A bike used for transportation is a very different experience from a bike used for a work out.


...because everyone lives in the same climate as me.
 
2013-10-25 05:17:43 AM

log_jammin: TwowheelinTim: ladyfortuna: ShawnDoc: I'd love very to bike to work. I only live 3.4 miles from the office.

Convince every office/warehouse/etc in America to install showers and locker rooms, and maybe. I live in the sticks, mostly because I detest the company of others, and without some basic personal hygiene facilities there is no way I am changing to 'biking every day'.

Not to mention, winters in western NY are pretty shiatty.

We all make lame excuses to avoid doing stuff that simply doesn't appeal to us don't we.

yeah. California winters are the stuff of legend...


Um, with you that this guy is a moran, but California is not all LA.
 
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