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(3 News New Zealand)   JJ Abrams and Empire Strikes Back writer Lawrence Kasdan taking over writing duties for new Star Wars script   (3news.co.nz) divider line 136
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2013-10-24 08:01:15 PM
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2013-10-24 08:31:52 PM
Oh great, the guy who wrote the one which is universally regarded as the worst Star Wars flick...we need more prequels.
 
2013-10-24 08:38:02 PM

poonesfarm: Oh great, the guy who wrote the one which is universally regarded as the worst Star Wars flick...we need more prequels.


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2013-10-24 08:43:37 PM
Lawrence Kasdan also wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark. And Dreamcatcher.
 
2013-10-24 08:48:09 PM
Except for the JJ Abrams thing, this is good news.

How the fark does he and his team of horrible hack writers get every cool gig in the biz? Well Lawrence Kasdan, that's cool.
 
2013-10-24 08:57:04 PM

Mugato: How the fark does he and his team of horrible hack writers get every cool gig in the biz?


Maybe they give blowjobs which are so good that it makes the recipients see flashes of light?
 
2013-10-24 09:10:35 PM

Fark Me To Tears: Mugato: How the fark does he and his team of horrible hack writers get every cool gig in the biz?

Maybe they give blowjobs which are so good that it makes the recipients see flashes of light?


It's all based on a series of blowjobs. (Mr. Show, NSFW language)
 
2013-10-24 09:30:41 PM

Mugato: Except for the JJ Abrams thing, this is good news.

How the fark does he and his team of horrible hack writers get every cool gig in the biz? Well Lawrence Kasdan, that's cool.




I think Abrams is perfect for Star Wars. I mean his Star Trek movies proved one thing: he has the Star Wars feeling down perfectly! Humor, Special effects, shorthand characterizations, fantastical creatures and fantasy style sci-fi technology.

Completely wrong for Star Trek, but a great audition for Star Wars.
 
2013-10-24 09:40:19 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I think Abrams is perfect for Star Wars. I mean his Star Trek movies proved one thing: he has the Star Wars feeling down perfectly! Humor, Special effects, shorthand characterizations, fantastical creatures and fantasy style sci-fi technology.

Completely wrong for Star Trek, but a great audition for Star Wars.


I don't want to get into a whole thing here and I know Star Wars isn't Shakespeare but JJ's Trek movies are really terribly written and rife with plot holes. They look like Star Wars movies, the space battles, the ice monsters, the goofy aliens but they were just nonsensical.
 
2013-10-24 09:43:01 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: I think Abrams is perfect for Star Wars. I mean his Star Trek movies proved one thing: he has the Star Wars feeling down perfectly! Humor, Special effects, shorthand characterizations, fantastical creatures and fantasy style sci-fi technology.

Completely wrong for Star Trek, but a great audition for Star Wars.

I don't want to get into a whole thing here and I know Star Wars isn't Shakespeare but JJ's Trek movies are really terribly written and rife with plot holes. They look like Star Wars movies, the space battles, the ice monsters, the goofy aliens but they were just nonsensical.


Abrams didn't write those movies, did he?
 
2013-10-24 09:44:52 PM
I mean, I thought there was a difference between a director and a writer. J.J. Abrams is not credited as a writer on any Star Trek movie that I know about. He will credited as a writer on this, apparently.

So what's your point, other than just whining about Abrams like usual?
 
2013-10-24 09:44:53 PM

Confabulat: Abrams didn't write those movies, did he?


No, the same three guys he hires for everything else did.
 
2013-10-24 09:50:31 PM

Mugato: Confabulat: Abrams didn't write those movies, did he?

No, the same three guys he hires for everything else did.


So? They aren't hired for this one. In fact, J.J. Abrams was legally disallowed from changing a word of the 2009 Star Trek, as that during the writers' strike.

So you hate his writers. What's that got to do with his writing skills?
 
2013-10-24 09:54:13 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: I think Abrams is perfect for Star Wars. I mean his Star Trek movies proved one thing: he has the Star Wars feeling down perfectly! Humor, Special effects, shorthand characterizations, fantastical creatures and fantasy style sci-fi technology.

Completely wrong for Star Trek, but a great audition for Star Wars.

I don't want to get into a whole thing here and I know Star Wars isn't Shakespeare but JJ's Trek movies are really terribly written and rife with plot holes. They look like Star Wars movies, the space battles, the ice monsters, the goofy aliens but they were just nonsensical.


Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars to death...Prequels, Original, Clone Wars... But at heart Star Wars is a big fairy tale with fairly tale style plotting, characterizations and assorted tropes.

I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie?  It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.

In all fairness to Abrams: The first Star Trek movie was witty and definitely offered more characterizations and motivations to all the characters
 
2013-10-24 10:02:24 PM
Not that anyone cares at this point, but JJ Abrams didn't write either Star Trek movie. He only directed.
 
2013-10-24 10:03:02 PM

Mugato: Confabulat: Abrams didn't write those movies, did he?

No, the same three guys he hires for everything else did.


Lawrence Kasdan isn't one of those three guys.
 
2013-10-24 10:04:39 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie?  It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.


It brought the characters together, forming bonds that were required for the subsequent scenes. 

In all fairness to Abrams: The first Star Trek movie was witty and definitely offered more characterizations and motivations to all the characters

Spock beat the shiat out of Kirk, being the emotional character we know him to be and instead of throwing him into the brig, fired him into an escape pod onto Hoth, where he landed coincidentally right next to Old Spock. And they walked for a minute and coincidentally ran into Scotty. And then it just goes on. But it was 2001 compared to the next one.
 
2013-10-24 10:06:50 PM

DamnYankees: Mugato: Confabulat: Abrams didn't write those movies, did he?

No, the same three guys he hires for everything else did.

Lawrence Kasdan isn't one of those three guys.


Jesus Christ, I'm talking about Orci, Kurtzman and Lindeloff.
 
2013-10-24 10:09:38 PM
Orci & the other guy gave us five very strong years of Fringe. (Your opinion of the last season may vary, but you can't accuse it of just phoning it in).

The other other guy gave us like seven years of Lost. Sure you may have hated the ending and with good reason, but that still was seven years of pretty entertaining storytelling.

Those guys have earned their place, despite their many missteps (Into Darkness, Prometheus, etc).

And again, none of them are hired to work on Star Wars, so you just sound like the same ol guy who can't get over new Star Trek.
 
2013-10-24 10:10:27 PM

Mugato: Jesus Christ, I'm talking about Orci, Kurtzman and Lindeloff.


And that's the point. Why are you whining about people who have nothing to do with this news, other than you don't like J.J. Abrams?
 
2013-10-24 10:14:29 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie? It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.


It established Princess Leia as a take action person to blast an access panel to get out of the certain death of the attack on the cell block to the 'maybe death' of whatever was in the trash compactor. SOMEONE had to take charge and do something..and she did.
 
2013-10-24 10:17:52 PM

Mugato: Jesus Christ, I'm talking about Orci, Kurtzman and Lindeloff.


Yes, exactly. Why? They aren't involved here.
 
2013-10-24 10:20:54 PM

DamnYankees: Mugato: Jesus Christ, I'm talking about Orci, Kurtzman and Lindeloff.

Yes, exactly. Why? They aren't involved here.


The discussion diverted to the Star Trek films. I was addressing that.
 
2013-10-24 10:22:36 PM
The Arndt script was based on Lucas's outline. They're now discarding all of that.

This is a good thing.

If the prequels and that... that... thing with the skull have taught us anything it's that George Lucas doesn't even have good ideas anymore. There's nothing salvageable from the prequels. Nothing. And we're stuck with them until Disney decides to retcon them and redo them in something resembling a coherent story.

We're starting fresh with Abrams and Kasdan overseen by Kathleen Kennedy. I see nothing but good in all of this.
 
2013-10-24 10:23:15 PM

Mugato: The discussion diverted to the Star Trek films. I was addressing that.


No, it didn't. Your post just out of nowhere criticized his "team of horrible hack writers getting every cool gig" apropos of nothing, without noting they aren't writing this movie. Get over yourself.
 
2013-10-24 10:24:15 PM

Irving Maimway: If the prequels and that... that... thing with the skull have taught us anything it's that George Lucas doesn't even have good ideas anymore. There's nothing salvageable from the prequels. Nothing. And we're stuck with them until Disney decides to retcon them and redo them in something resembling a coherent story.


Lucas never had particularly good ideas. Have you read about the myriad of horrible ideas he had for the original trilogy that Spielberg managed to talk him out of?
 
2013-10-24 10:29:36 PM

Mugato: Spock beat the shiat out of Kirk, being the emotional character we know him to be and instead of throwing him into the brig, fired him into an escape pod onto Hoth, where he landed coincidentally right next to Old Spock. And they walked for a minute and coincidentally ran into Scotty. And then it just goes on. But it was 2001 compared to the next one.


Heh. While I understand your annoyance. I will point out that Spock was a different timeline than old spock...thus his characterizations would be different.

I wlll also point out that the above scene is no different than R2D2 and C3P0 escaping from Vader, crash on Tatoonie, where they separate and then picked up by the same Jawas, that lead them to the only farm, where the savior of the Galaxy, Luke lived...who knew Obi-wab Kanobi (who was hiding under the expert nom de gurre of Ben Kanobi)

That's not also point out that later stories made Luke and Vader father and son....
 
2013-10-24 10:36:29 PM

poonesfarm: Oh great, the guy who wrote the one which is universally regarded as the worst Star Wars flick...we need more prequels.


Worst. Troll. Ever.
 
2013-10-24 10:38:11 PM

Darth_Lukecash: wlll also point out that the above scene is no different than R2D2 and C3P0 escaping from Vader, crash on Tatoonie, where they separate and then picked up by the same Jawas, that lead them to the only farm, where the savior of the Galaxy, Luke lived...who knew Obi-wab Kanobi (who was hiding under the expert nom de gurre of Ben Kanobi)


R2D2 knew where Obi Wan and Luke lived.
 
2013-10-24 10:42:53 PM

DamnYankees: Irving Maimway: If the prequels and that... that... thing with the skull have taught us anything it's that George Lucas doesn't even have good ideas anymore. There's nothing salvageable from the prequels. Nothing. And we're stuck with them until Disney decides to retcon them and redo them in something resembling a coherent story.

Lucas never had particularly good ideas. Have you read about the myriad of horrible ideas he had for the original trilogy that Spielberg managed to talk him out of?


And the uncredited rewrites done on Star Wars to make the dialog not suck? Indeed. And don't forget how he first edited Star Wars and how it was "an unmitigated disaster" because it was done so badly? Marcia Lucas is the unsung hero of the original trilogy.
 
2013-10-24 10:45:15 PM
Luke (to his son, Ben):  No, I am your father.  [lens flare]
 
2013-10-24 10:46:25 PM

Confabulat: Lawrence Kasdan also wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark. And Dreamcatcher.


The transcript of the actual story sessions between Lucas, Speilberg, and Kasdan for "Raiders" are on the internets. If you read it, the thing that becomes clear is that Lucas came up with virtually everything of significance. Speilberg would interject small gags, or ideas for single scenes, but Lucas was coming up with all the major stuff. Kasdan either just asked clarifying questions, or made bad suggestions that were shot down.

Obviously, I don't know if the same was true on 'Empire' and 'Jedi,' but it was probably the same dynamic between Lucas and Kasdan. Obviously, Kasdan wrote a great script which incorporated all of Lucas' ideas, wrote terrific dialogue, and tied all the elements together, but I don't know if I entirely trust his judgment on the large ideas.
 
2013-10-24 10:49:12 PM

Corn_Fed: Obviously, I don't know if the same was true on 'Empire' and 'Jedi,' but it was probably the same dynamic between Lucas and Kasdan. Obviously, Kasdan wrote a great script which incorporated all of Lucas' ideas, wrote terrific dialogue, and tied all the elements together, but I don't know if I entirely trust his judgment on the large ideas.


Lucas lost that muse a long time ago. From the Special Editions on, the man's ideas have been utter garbage. The complexity of the awfulness of the prequels and that unspeakable film that followed is all the proof we need to keep George far, far away from these movies.
 
2013-10-24 10:51:57 PM

Irving Maimway: Corn_Fed: Obviously, I don't know if the same was true on 'Empire' and 'Jedi,' but it was probably the same dynamic between Lucas and Kasdan. Obviously, Kasdan wrote a great script which incorporated all of Lucas' ideas, wrote terrific dialogue, and tied all the elements together, but I don't know if I entirely trust his judgment on the large ideas.

Lucas lost that muse a long time ago. From the Special Editions on, the man's ideas have been utter garbage. The complexity of the awfulness of the prequels and that unspeakable film that followed is all the proof we need to keep George far, far away from these movies.


I agree. Lucas has completely lost it. Totally.  That said, while I hope Kasdan comes up with great stuff, I don't know that I entirely trust him to.
 
2013-10-24 10:54:19 PM
I don't know what this thread is about so...

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2013-10-24 10:56:28 PM

optikeye: Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie? It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.

It established Princess Leia as a take action person to blast an access panel to get out of the certain death of the attack on the cell block to the 'maybe death' of whatever was in the trash compactor. SOMEONE had to take charge and do something..and she did.


Yes, but that was established in the scene before...they could have easily cut to them exiting the trash compactor, and nothing important was lost or gained during the time in there.
 
2013-10-24 10:57:07 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: wlll also point out that the above scene is no different than R2D2 and C3P0 escaping from Vader, crash on Tatoonie, where they separate and then picked up by the same Jawas, that lead them to the only farm, where the savior of the Galaxy, Luke lived...who knew Obi-wab Kanobi (who was hiding under the expert nom de gurre of Ben Kanobi)

R2D2 knew where Obi Wan and Luke lived.


The entire reason that Lea and R2D2 were heading to Tatooine is to visit Obi-wan Kenobi. Ben Kenobi was there to guard Luke. R2D2 knew all the details.
 
2013-10-24 10:57:57 PM
I hope they're busy writing in a zany comic relief character for the kids.  Maybe a storm trooper on roller skates who falls a lot and knocks over tables while sith lords are trying to hatch an evil plan.  And they can't force choke him to death because he's the boss' s son.  You know.  Wacky stuff.
 
2013-10-24 10:58:53 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: wlll also point out that the above scene is no different than R2D2 and C3P0 escaping from Vader, crash on Tatoonie, where they separate and then picked up by the same Jawas, that lead them to the only farm, where the savior of the Galaxy, Luke lived...who knew Obi-wab Kanobi (who was hiding under the expert nom de gurre of Ben Kanobi)

R2D2 knew where Obi Wan and Luke lived.


R2 didn't lead them there... Jawas did. R2 had no knowelege of Luke birth or Leias heritage. Only Bail, Obi and Yoda had that secret.
 
2013-10-24 11:00:03 PM

Darth_Lukecash: optikeye: Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie? It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.

It established Princess Leia as a take action person to blast an access panel to get out of the certain death of the attack on the cell block to the 'maybe death' of whatever was in the trash compactor. SOMEONE had to take charge and do something..and she did.

Yes, but that was established in the scene before...they could have easily cut to them exiting the trash compactor, and nothing important was lost or gained during the time in there.


I disagree. It was a bonding moment for three of the four leads of the trilogy. Han, Lea, and Luke came together in that scene. They established how far they would go for each other. It's certainly no tree in Empire moment that brings the movie to a screeching halt.
 
2013-10-24 11:07:16 PM

poonesfarm: Oh great, the guy who wrote the one which is universally regarded as the worst Star Wars flick...we need more prequels.


10/10.  Grape job.
 
2013-10-24 11:07:23 PM

f4rmerbob: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: wlll also point out that the above scene is no different than R2D2 and C3P0 escaping from Vader, crash on Tatoonie, where they separate and then picked up by the same Jawas, that lead them to the only farm, where the savior of the Galaxy, Luke lived...who knew Obi-wab Kanobi (who was hiding under the expert nom de gurre of Ben Kanobi)

R2D2 knew where Obi Wan and Luke lived.

The entire reason that Lea and R2D2 were heading to Tatooine is to visit Obi-wan Kenobi. Ben Kenobi was there to guard Luke. R2D2 knew all the details.


What would have happened if the other R2 unit that Uncle Owen originally bought hadn't suddenly malfunctioned? Did R2D2 have a backup plan?
 
2013-10-24 11:07:56 PM

Darth_Lukecash: R2 didn't lead them there... Jawas did. R2 had no knowelege of Luke birth or Leias heritage. Only Bail, Obi and Yoda had that secret.


R2's memory wasn't wiped.  There's nothing that stated that he did know, but nothing that excludes him having that knowledge.
 
2013-10-24 11:10:06 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I hope they're busy writing in a zany comic relief character for the kids.  Maybe a storm trooper on roller skates who falls a lot and knocks over tables while sith lords are trying to hatch an evil plan.  And they can't force choke him to death because he's the boss' s son.  You know.  Wacky stuff.


He also has to step in the poopy.
 
2013-10-24 11:14:50 PM

MOGGEE: I don't know what this thread is about so...

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2013-10-24 11:16:22 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: Except for the JJ Abrams thing, this is good news.

How the fark does he and his team of horrible hack writers get every cool gig in the biz? Well Lawrence Kasdan, that's cool.



I think Abrams is perfect for Star Wars. I mean his Star Trek movies proved one thing: he has the Star Wars feeling down perfectly! Humor, Special effects, shorthand characterizations, fantastical creatures and fantasy style sci-fi technology.

Completely wrong for Star Trek, but a great audition for Star Wars.


The thing about Trek is that it was primarily a TV show, so all of what really makes it work doesn't really translate into the typical 2 hour movie format. The two Trek movies that were closest to the TV series, TMP and Insurrection, weren't all that good as movies. The best TOS and TNG movies really didn't follow the television formula that closely.
 
2013-10-24 11:24:10 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie? It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.


The first movie was a homage to the Saturday matinee serials that George Lucas enjoyed as a kid growing up (Flash Gordon and the like). The serials were deliberately constructed as a bunch of ever-evolving cliffhangers and "out of the frying pan, into the fire" plot twists, as our heroes narrowly escape certain death only to find themselves facing a new/bigger threat. The trash compactor was a classic riff on this trope: They escape the storm troopers in the detention block only to find themselves facing a monster, and then the crushing walls themselves.

This style of storytelling is very intense and richly rewarding if told well, and the one movie that probably perfected it into an artform was Raider of the Lost Ark.

For some reason, Lucas forgot how to tell stories and the prequels have none of that cliffhanger-style action serials, which is one of the reasons why they're so terrible.
 
2013-10-24 11:38:56 PM
i just don't understand how the same guy gets to direct both star trek and star wars movies.  seriously, there are like a million people who would love to be involved in both of those franchises, and the suits in charge just get the same guy to direct?  no other directors were interested?  they just wanted to throw piles of money at this guy because why?  there had to be other talented directors who would have taken the job for far less money.  did disney really think that "from the director of star trek" would be a huge selling point?  it's freaking star wars!  they could have gotten uwe boll to direct it and it would still make a billion dollars.  but no, they had to get the guy who directed star trek.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:55 PM

Confabulat: Lawrence Kasdan also wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark. And Dreamcatcher.


That's one of those "Good news, bad news" things.

He also wrote and directed Body Heat, The Bill Chill and Silverado.
 
2013-10-24 11:39:58 PM

Ishkur: Darth_Lukecash: I mean, what point did the trash compactor scene even have in the original movie? It didn't move the plot forward and offered no insights to the characters.

The first movie was a homage to the Saturday matinee serials that George Lucas enjoyed as a kid growing up (Flash Gordon and the like). The serials were deliberately constructed as a bunch of ever-evolving cliffhangers and "out of the frying pan, into the fire" plot twists, as our heroes narrowly escape certain death only to find themselves facing a new/bigger threat. The trash compactor was a classic riff on this trope: They escape the storm troopers in the detention block only to find themselves facing a monster, and then the crushing walls themselves.

This style of storytelling is very intense and richly rewarding if told well, and the one movie that probably perfected it into an artform was Raider of the Lost Ark.

For some reason, Lucas forgot how to tell stories and the prequels have none of that cliffhanger-style action serials, which is one of the reasons why they're so terrible.



The problem with the prequels is the problem with many prequels in general, and that is the filmmakers, for some reason,, want to explain the bad guy so the audience sympathizes. In the case of Star Wars, it was much cooler to take Obi Wan's explanation for why Anakin turned to the dark side and leave the details up to your imagination. Personally, I thought it was some kind of huge betrayal, then the prequels came out and said the reason Darth Vader became Darth Vader is because his mommy died. By trying to explain the villain's motivations, they turned him from the ultimate intergalactic badass to an emo whiner who never emotionally matured past 15.

I'm surprised that the scene with Darth Vader alone in his pod wasn't tweeked to add in a Linkin Park song,.

Sometimes, it's just better to let the audience speculate on why a villain is the way he is.
 
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