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(Tolo News)   Old and busted: The Pentagon's $640 toilet seats. New hotness: The Afghan version of the Price Is Right, where the US pays contractors $500 a gallon for diesel fuel, $220,000 for a $10,000 thermostat   (tolonews.com) divider line 77
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2013-10-24 06:15:59 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-24 06:16:20 PM
spend that cash. we'll print more.
 
2013-10-24 06:17:05 PM
Waste and abuse? In my government??
 
2013-10-24 06:17:06 PM
But PBS and food stamps are bankrupting us.
 
2013-10-24 06:17:27 PM
I swear I've been trying to cut back on the politics tab but it keeps clawing me back when I decide to draw a line in the sand and go cold turkey...
 
2013-10-24 06:17:59 PM
Hey, at least they worked! As opposed to the fake IED detectors in Iraq sold at $40,000 a pop.
 
2013-10-24 06:18:53 PM
Thanks Obama
 
2013-10-24 06:22:42 PM
I'm surprised that the government doesn't have better mechanisms in place to insure that these kinds of misappropriation of funds can be kept in check.
I'm sure they will get it fixed before they take on any other large taxpayer funded projects in the future.
 
2013-10-24 06:24:18 PM
'New' hotness? These the same contractors that 'lost' pallets of money like a decade ago?
 
2013-10-24 06:24:19 PM

DubtodaIll: Waste and abuse? In my government??


It's more likely than you think.
 
2013-10-24 06:24:45 PM
I am sure if we all try we can find a cheaper way to kill people


/or we can maybe stop finding reasons to need to kill people


//How about a compromise where we still kill people, just less of them and try to do it cheaply?
 
2013-10-24 06:24:49 PM
there's a $10k thermostat?
 
2013-10-24 06:25:08 PM
Area 51 isn't gonna pay for itself.
 
2013-10-24 06:25:51 PM
Didn't any of you watch 'Independence Day'?
 
2013-10-24 06:26:27 PM

leevis: Area 51 isn't gonna pay for itself.


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-10-24 06:27:20 PM
I regret being a vet sometimes...........
 
2013-10-24 06:28:08 PM
I remember back in the early 80's when I was a kid, and there was a scandal about the 500 dollar coffee machines installed on air force passenger/cargo jets.  I think this was on the Phil Donahue show, so it shows how old my memory is.  And the joke was that for that price, the entire crew could be dead with the plane plunging towards imminent destruction, but the coffee machine should still be brewing coffee.  Or something like that.
 
2013-10-24 06:28:14 PM
I knew the diesel was expensive, but last I knew they were getting it for $13-$17 per gallon
 
2013-10-24 06:28:53 PM
Tonight Rick Romero explores how Afghanistan is rife with corruption, and massive bribery is built into the cost of getting anything done.
 
2013-10-24 06:31:27 PM

mbillips: Tonight Rick Romero explores how Afghanistan is rife with corruption, and massive bribery is built into the cost of getting anything done.


Well, to be fair, we did want to make them more like us.
 
2013-10-24 06:32:04 PM
When I grow up i wanna be a defense contractor, $$$$

but seriously that shiat's ridiculous
 
2013-10-24 06:33:33 PM
I wonder which former politicians have a stake in these contractors?
 
2013-10-24 06:34:32 PM

oldwolf49: I regret being a vet sometimes...........


You just say that because you weren't a real man that got a CAB by driving up and down highway 1 with two weeks left on the deployment so you could take contact from 600+ meters and speed away.

/Most CIBs don't mean shiat either
 
2013-10-24 06:34:46 PM
They need to have another line in invoices that state "usual non war zone/hostile areas price per equivalent units"
 
2013-10-24 06:37:32 PM
Thanks Bush jr.

/says the war profiteers.
//Or did they thank Frakencheney?
 
2013-10-24 06:38:02 PM

mbillips: Tonight Rick Romero explores how Afghanistan is rife with corruption, and massive bribery is built into the cost of getting anything done.


And shiat tends to get expensive when it's funneled through a half dozen different layers of middlemen and contractors.
 
2013-10-24 06:38:31 PM
Pull out a world map, find Afghanistan, and then play "find the supply route."

Add in the lack of stability requiring lots of security for transportation, corrupt local governments, a corrupt national government, and corrupt defense contractors, all out to steal every dollar they can, and $500 for a gallon of fuel doesn't seem too bad.
 
2013-10-24 06:38:36 PM
The delivery charge is where they get you.
 
2013-10-24 06:41:17 PM
Total cost of all that stuff still cheaper than Obamacare.

0/10
 
2013-10-24 06:43:05 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: there's a $10k thermostat?


No, of course not. This is, however, a $10k automatic temperature control device which may or may not perform a similar function.
 
2013-10-24 06:48:54 PM
hope & change (TM)
 
2013-10-24 06:49:34 PM
Ah, Karzai, has to get his "cut". A money grubbing bastard, like anyone else.Not all afghans are that way, just .
 
2013-10-24 06:57:22 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: there's a $10k thermostat?


Astoundingly astute and apropos that one of your username persuasion would note the ostensibly needless surcharge for such a contrivance. Now, if we may redirect our attention, perhaps you could lend us a satisfying explanation as to the happenings in the image displayed in your fark bio.
 
2013-10-24 07:00:20 PM

whatshisname: I wonder which former politicians have a stake in these contractors?


Former?
Hey man, anyone can buy stock in these companies.  The real money comes in influencing who gest contracts.

BTW, top 10 companies you might want to invest in:
1. Lockheed Martin - F35s
2. Boeing - F-A18s, Apache helicopters
3. Northrop Grumann - drones, spook toys
4. General Dynamics - Abrams tanks
5. Raytheon - missiles
6. L-3 Communications - spy stuff
7. United Technologies - Black Hawk helicopters
8. SAIC - spy stuff
9. Oshkosh - tactical and armored vehicles (really cute kid's overalls)
10. Computer Sciences Corp. - simulation training (Yep, expensive video games for soldiers and pilots)
 
2013-10-24 07:02:33 PM
But a little bit of money for WIC so single mothers can buy formula for their baby? SOSHULIZZIM!
 
2013-10-24 07:05:05 PM
The WH could fix this problem.    They have had several years.
But deep down.... they love to spend.    Spend, spend, tax a little more.  Spend again, spend, spend.   Ask for more tax.

Hope n' change
 
2013-10-24 07:07:21 PM
Unavailable for comment....

www.emagill.com
/hot
 
2013-10-24 07:11:24 PM
Senate majority leader Harry Reid says that "Everybody" is "willing to pay more" taxes. He said so in an interview with a Nevada Public Radio .

"...Everybody, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more."

So,  spend as much as we need to in Afghanistan.... for anything we need.       The spending has the approval of the head of the US Senate.     Spend and tax.

...or is it tax and spend?
 
2013-10-24 07:13:27 PM
It's just creative accounting. I'm not saying it's right but procedure dictates all expenditures must be accounted for, but then doesn't allow for all expenditures to be categotized. It has to be written somewhere anyway, so it ultimately goes on the balance sheet as a 10000 dollar hammer instead of itemizing the exact services rendered. It always had happened, and will continue to happen
 
2013-10-24 07:16:33 PM
I always, in these situations, think about Commander Christian Slater explaining why things are so expensive in the military to Donna Moss.
 
2013-10-24 07:17:37 PM
Did someone not read the shipping costs?

/1 star - Would not occupy without subjugation again.
 
2013-10-24 07:17:47 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Pull out a world map, find Afghanistan, and then play "find the supply route."

Add in the lack of stability requiring lots of security for transportation, corrupt local governments, a corrupt national government, and corrupt defense contractors, all out to steal every dollar they can, and $500 for a gallon of fuel doesn't seem too bad.


Except that market price in the area is, according to the article, $5/gallon. What is stopping them from popping in to the local Kwikee Mart and topping off the tank? I realize that's not quite how it works, but market price is still market price. If they can deliver tankers of the stuff to local distributors for that price, presumably they can also deliver tankers of it to the hospital that is being built. It's not like we're talking about enriched uranium or something. Diesel fuel is widely available pretty much everywhere on the planet, even in Afghanistan.
 
2013-10-24 07:18:36 PM

oldwolf49: I regret being a vet sometimes...........


I don't.  There are few things more enjoyable that dropping my VFW membership card on some flag waving right wing asshole that loves wars someone else goes to fight in.

Being a veteran earned me the right to be a sanctimonious dick. And I'm grateful for that.
 
2013-10-24 07:19:06 PM
Does the gasoline work?  Or is it like those bomb detectors that were just some blinking lights on a box?
 
2013-10-24 07:20:55 PM

ElLoco: Contrabulous Flabtraption: there's a $10k thermostat?

No, of course not. This is, however, a $10k automatic temperature control device which may or may not perform a similar function.


See, something like that, there's probably levels of corruption. Some Senator's brother-in-law had a small software company that got paid 600% above market rate to create some custom code for the programming, some Rep got a new plastic injection molding plant up and running in his district just to create parts for these, some diplomat agreed to buy the board from a plant a Chinese diplomat has an investment in, in exchange for a concession on some other agreement, etc etc. And at the end of the day you have a $10k industrial thermostat that has exactly one buyer.
 
2013-10-24 07:21:09 PM

fusillade762: mbillips: Tonight Rick Romero explores how Afghanistan is rife with corruption, and massive bribery is built into the cost of getting anything done.

And shiat tends to get expensive when it's funneled through a half dozen different layers of middlemen and contractors.


Which is why I want the government contract for funnels.
 
2013-10-24 07:30:20 PM

SweetSaws: When I grow up i wanna be a defense contractor, $$$$

but seriously that shiat's ridiculous


Honestly, especially when these same firms tout their patriotism and great 'service' they do for the country. More like a vampire squid sucking the USA dry.

There should be no honor in that.
 
2013-10-24 07:43:54 PM

mod3072: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Pull out a world map, find Afghanistan, and then play "find the supply route."

Add in the lack of stability requiring lots of security for transportation, corrupt local governments, a corrupt national government, and corrupt defense contractors, all out to steal every dollar they can, and $500 for a gallon of fuel doesn't seem too bad.

Except that market price in the area is, according to the article, $5/gallon. What is stopping them from popping in to the local Kwikee Mart and topping off the tank? I realize that's not quite how it works, but market price is still market price. If they can deliver tankers of the stuff to local distributors for that price, presumably they can also deliver tankers of it to the hospital that is being built. It's not like we're talking about enriched uranium or something. Diesel fuel is widely available pretty much everywhere on the planet, even in Afghanistan.


Fuel: $5
Hazard pay: $200
Local "Protection:" $100
Other Bribes, local: $100
One crooked pentagon accountant: $50
Misc expenses not listed above: $45
 
2013-10-24 07:45:40 PM
THis shiat needs to stop and stop now.   we need to figure out who the hell is taking kickbacks to agree to these stupid contracts and dishonorably discharge their arses.
 
2013-10-24 07:48:19 PM

netcentric: Senate majority leader Harry Reid says that "Everybody" is "willing to pay more" taxes. He said so in an interview with a Nevada Public Radio .

"...Everybody, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more."

So,  spend as much as we need to in Afghanistan.... for anything we need.       The spending has the approval of the head of the US Senate.     Spend and tax.

...or is it tax and spend?


Unfortunately we have republicans, which appear to what borrow, spend then default.

We could use some Tax and Spend right about now.

I was taken in by that slogan back in the 1980s.  Now I realize it's the only sane policy.
 
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