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(Guardian)   Obama to make 33 more phone calls to irate world leaders   (theguardian.com) divider line 133
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2013-10-24 04:19:58 PM
Lets be honest. Everyone does it. We were just stupid enough to get caught.
 
2013-10-24 04:23:37 PM
That's their job.
 
2013-10-24 04:24:29 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets be honest. Everyone does it. We were just stupid enough to get caught.


Now let us see if Fartbongo is smart enough to fess up or try to cover it up.  My bet is he'll blame somebody else, feign ignorance and cover it up
 
2013-10-24 04:25:25 PM
We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.


/both sides are bad
//vote Quimby
 
2013-10-24 04:27:05 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-24 04:27:06 PM
"The memo, dated October 2006 "

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

There is evidence of this?
 
2013-10-24 04:28:02 PM
But Bush, Obama isn't really the president, etc.
 
2013-10-24 04:28:39 PM
I'm totally against the spying on Americans these farkwits are up to but it seems spying on the leaders of other countries kinda seems like what these guys should actually be doing.
 
2013-10-24 04:29:08 PM
Of course we're not monitoring you, but could you step to the left slightly so you're back into view?
 
2013-10-24 04:30:01 PM
I can probably come up with a list of 33 leaders we'd be justified to spy on.

I have a bigger issue with the spying on organizations like Brazil's oil company or their mining ministry. If the NSA is helping to conduct corporate espionage on behalf of some American companies, I'd like to know which ones, why those companies and not others, if someone is being compensated for the service, why are tax payers subsidizing corporate spying they should do on their own, what are tax payers getting out of it...
 
2013-10-24 04:30:11 PM
I'll bet most of those 33 nations spy on the United States. Blame Bush, Obama and whomever is supposedly in charge of Wall Street's wholly-owned subsidiary in Washington, DC and you'll see it doesn't really matter who we blame. Referring to another thread, why don't we just have Ann Coulter run for president against Sarah Jessica Parker? That way, it would still be a 2-horse race.
 
2013-10-24 04:30:51 PM
 I don't blame the NSA or any American.  I blame the idiots that assumed that their phone won't being monitored.
 
2013-10-24 04:32:30 PM
Might as well have a form letter created

Dear {Leader of Country},

Please accept my {deepest, abject, misdirected} apologies for the recent revelation of spying on the citizens of your {beautiful, gracious, communist} country.  I am sure you will understand when I say that this was a mistake and the {overzealous staffer, leader of the house, George Bush} has been {reprimanded, fired, assassinated}.

Yours Truly,

Barack Obama
{President, Leader of the Free World, Nobel Peace Prize Winner,  Not Bush]
 
2013-10-24 04:33:57 PM

gaspode: "The memo, dated October 2006 "

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

There is evidence of this?


You really believe the government stopped doing this when Obama became president?

Really?
 
2013-10-24 04:34:19 PM
B-but he won the Nobel Peace Prize! He's black, for God's sake! He's practically a saint!
 
2013-10-24 04:35:03 PM
I remember Obama had to give up his phone for one with greater encryption when he took office.
 
2013-10-24 04:35:53 PM

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.


The Obama administration's halmark was going to be "smart diplomacy".  Somehow, the administration is almost managing to do a worse job than Bush.
 
2013-10-24 04:36:35 PM
Haven't world leaders heard of "burner" phones? Sheesh.
 
2013-10-24 04:37:10 PM

Truther: gaspode: "The memo, dated October 2006 "

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

There is evidence of this?

You really believe the government stopped doing this when Obama became president?

Really?


All we have to go on is a memo from 2006 discussing Bush officials turning their contacts over to the NSA so they could be monitored.  I won't say that the Obama admin isn't doing the same thing, but I'm going to leave my pitchfork in the barn until I see something better than "Well you think they stopped!?".
 
2013-10-24 04:37:53 PM
Does anybody else in the world (except maybe China and Russia) have an agency like the NSA? Is there anybody else out there that does nothing but trawl through the private data and communications of random people?

I mean, I get that gathering intelligence is something that is necessary, because if you don't have the facts, how can you make policy? But does anybody else in the world have a whole agency that does nothing but snoop email, phone calls, and internet traffic? Again, besides China and possibly Russia.

It really worries me that these guys seem to have no boundaries whatsoever, and just by attracting their attention, I could have all of my private life exposed to an unknown third party, completely without my knowledge.
 
2013-10-24 04:38:33 PM

James!: All we have to go on is a memo from 2006 discussing Bush officials turning their contacts over to the NSA so they could be monitored.  I won't say that the Obama admin isn't doing the same thing, but I'm going to leave my pitchfork in the barn until I see something better than "Well you think they stopped!?".



Ummm, have you not been paying attention to the whole NSA spying thing?
 
2013-10-24 04:38:56 PM

James!: I remember Obama had to give up his phone for one with greater encryption when he took office.


That right there should have been a big tip-off to all of us.
 
2013-10-24 04:39:11 PM
Shouldn't we be happy that they're not very good at this?
 
2013-10-24 04:39:26 PM

James!: Truther: gaspode: "The memo, dated October 2006 "

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

There is evidence of this?

You really believe the government stopped doing this when Obama became president?

Really?

All we have to go on is a memo from 2006 discussing Bush officials turning their contacts over to the NSA so they could be monitored.  I won't say that the Obama admin isn't doing the same thing, but I'm going to leave my pitchfork in the barn until I see something better than "Well you think they stopped!?".


You're right, they probably stopped, just like they repealed the Patriot Act and closed down Guantanamo.
 
2013-10-24 04:39:39 PM

paygun: But Bush, Obama isn't really the president, etc.


You're an idiot.
static.guim.co.uk

What part of 2006 do you not understand? And like I said before, I don't doubt it still goes on and I don't doubt most other nations do the same thing.
 
2013-10-24 04:39:50 PM
Heh. we're the "Jay leno in a boardroom closet" of the world...
 
2013-10-24 04:40:00 PM
Vote chthulu.
 
2013-10-24 04:40:26 PM
I'm just wondering how many of these countries who obediently jumped on the "Edward Snowden is a Bad, Bad Man" bandwagon are re-evaluating their positions about now.
 
2013-10-24 04:40:46 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets be honest. Everyone does it. We were just stupid enough to get caught.


I gotta say, to me this seems like intellectual laziness as a means to dismiss the issue. If you'd have said 'everyone would do it if they could' I would have had less of an issue, but just a few moments critical thought would tell you that there aren't going to be many nations who actually have the technical capability to even attempt this.

If you want honesty - we aren't the only offenders, but we're likely the worst of them and probably by an order of magnitude. And we were stupid enough to get caught.
 
2013-10-24 04:41:06 PM

phyrkrakr: Does anybody else in the world (except maybe China and Russia) have an agency like the NSA? Is there anybody else out there that does nothing but trawl through the private data and communications of random people?


The US, China, Russia, Israel, UK, may do it on a different scale, but don't kid yourself about everyone else.
 
2013-10-24 04:42:19 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-24 04:43:11 PM

Loud_Mouth_Soup: James!: All we have to go on is a memo from 2006 discussing Bush officials turning their contacts over to the NSA so they could be monitored.  I won't say that the Obama admin isn't doing the same thing, but I'm going to leave my pitchfork in the barn until I see something better than "Well you think they stopped!?".


Ummm, have you not been paying attention to the whole NSA spying thing?


I have been. Now show me any document or communication from after 2009 that even mentions the current administration handing over their contacts for NSA spying.
 
2013-10-24 04:43:13 PM
This is actually not very surprising, considering what happened to me a few weeks ago.  I was trying to make a call to my friend Johnny to score some weed only I must have dialed the wrong number, and I can't really remember what number I dialed since I have this memory thing and some dude starts screaming at me in German.  I was like, Dude, I just want some weed, but he kept snarling and scratching at me because I guess he wasn't actually on the phone, and then everyone was screaming and animal control showed up because I think he was actually like a rabid wolverine wearing lederhosen or something, and the next thing I know I'm getting tasered again because apparently I was actually in some kind of Oktoberfest animal parade or something.  It wasn't much fun.

So, yeah, I can totally see this happening.
 
2013-10-24 04:43:27 PM

phyrkrakr: It really worries me that these guys seem to have no boundaries whatsoever, and just by attracting their attention, I could have all of my private life exposed to an unknown third party, completely without my knowledge.


In other news, water is wet, and how's that whole "hope and change" thing working out?
 
2013-10-24 04:46:44 PM
Hey, remember all that credit we had wtih the world right after 9/11/01?

Yeah. Well, it's a debit now.
Big debit.

Stop farking around and mind the farking farm, assholes.
 
2013-10-24 04:47:05 PM

phyrkrakr: Does anybody else in the world (except maybe China and Russia) have an agency like the NSA? Is there anybody else out there that does nothing but trawl through the private data and communications of random people?

I mean, I get that gathering intelligence is something that is necessary, because if you don't have the facts, how can you make policy? But does anybody else in the world have a whole agency that does nothing but snoop email, phone calls, and internet traffic? Again, besides China and possibly Russia.

It really worries me that these guys seem to have no boundaries whatsoever, and just by attracting their attention, I could have all of my private life exposed to an unknown third party, completely without my knowledge.


It's been reported here that David Cameron has been assured that his phone was never tapped. I'd assume that's because the British counterpart to the NSA has been working with them all the way and has been doing much the same. Since it is illegal for the NSA to spy on Americans I'd assume they just ask the British to do all the spying on American citizens and give them the intel.

/Adjusts tinfoil.
//Why is that van parked outside?
 
2013-10-24 04:47:36 PM

phyrkrakr: Is there anybody else out there that does nothing but trawl through the private data and communications of random people?


Google and Yahoo.
 
2013-10-24 04:48:22 PM

paygun: But Bush, Obama isn't really the president, etc.


No, he's the president, but those darn republicans in congress, now.
 
2013-10-24 04:48:30 PM

Truther: gaspode: "The memo, dated October 2006 "

Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

There is evidence of this?

You really believe the government stopped doing this when Obama became president?

Really?


I did not say that, but this story provides no evidence or even information about that. It is being presented as something completely different to what it is.
 
2013-10-24 04:49:10 PM

chapman: Loud_Mouth_Soup: We can blame Bush for this and it's true. Document in this story is dated 2006. But it didn't stop, either.

The Obama administration's halmark was going to be "smart diplomacy".  Somehow, the administration is almost managing to do a worse job than Bush.


Racist.
 
2013-10-24 04:49:27 PM
Translation: if you want to sell a line of bullshiat to your idiot domestic audience, go for it. But don't expect US to buy it. Or stand for it.

This is just one of many types of subtle blowback to come from the shutdown. If you're the hyper-competent leader of the free world, others won't like it but they'll shut up about it. But they'll be damned in Hell before they let a bunch of f*cktards who can't even pass a continuing resolution pull this kind of shiat.
 
2013-10-24 04:52:07 PM

The Numbers: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets be honest. Everyone does it. We were just stupid enough to get caught.

I gotta say, to me this seems like intellectual laziness as a means to dismiss the issue. If you'd have said 'everyone would do it if they could' I would have had less of an issue, but just a few moments critical thought would tell you that there aren't going to be many nations who actually have the technical capability to even attempt this.

If you want honesty - we aren't the only offenders, but we're likely the worst of them and probably by an order of magnitude. And we were stupid enough to get caught.


Well maybe I should have added, any countries that matter and have influence on the global stage. No odds are not good that Lichtenstein is bugging anyone.
 
2013-10-24 04:53:23 PM
It's not like he actually has to make another call.

Just un-click the mute button.
 
2013-10-24 04:54:11 PM
Then he has to call the rest of the world's leaders to apologize that the U.S. didn't think they were important enough to spy on.
 
2013-10-24 04:54:51 PM
as long as he asks  them if their refrigerator is running, i don't see the big issue.
 
2013-10-24 04:54:52 PM
Any country with the means is doing the exact same thing. They're fake outrage is great though, especially France.
 
KIA
2013-10-24 04:56:43 PM
I wonder if the Obama-phones that were handed out to the poor are being monitored too...

Now that might change some votes this year.

/ then again it may not...
 
2013-10-24 04:58:55 PM

Smeggy Smurf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lets be honest. Everyone does it. We were just stupid enough to get caught.

Now let us see if Fartbongo


I see "Fartbongo" and I stop ...
 
2013-10-24 05:00:51 PM

milowitz: Any country with the means is doing the exact same thing.


The fact that other a-holes exist doesn't mitigate our a-hole behavior.
 
2013-10-24 05:01:26 PM
www.freepress.net
 
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